While I agree that they would have to fix it, I think it would be best that a third party look into it as I really can not trust Apple to come clean about this. I just don't think they will.
It's all about the bottom line.
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Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn't believe.
Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?
Just for a mutual understanding, we are talking about cell phones here and not hard lines. Dropped calls, botched handovers, ghost signals, multi-path, etc... are all par for the course with cell phones. From my own experience here in Finland which is arguably one the most advance countries when it comes to cell technology has network dropouts from time to time or poor reception. No network can guarantee 100% call completion or a 100% rate. It is what it is.
How about repeaters? Do you have any experience with repeaters for use inside buildings whose outer walls don't pass the radio signals adequately?
Also hopefully by 2012 Verizon will have stopped nickel and dimeing for every service.
Exactamudo!
I am really hoping that the US starts adopting the policy the the world has regarding text messaging. We don't pay for it unless we send it and receiving one is free. Our home phones have had this kind of customer fee for a long time, so why not cellular? Ok, they say they make ton's of $$ with it. It is becoming so great and wide that some land line customers are just giving that up for cellular only. I don't use text now, but I would if they adopted that policy. I don't want to pay for junk text messaging! So I have blocked all text messaging from my phone.
Oh and before I forget.... since I will be waiting for my iPhone for a longer period of time. I will probably pick up an iTouch and use the WiFi. I will tell my friends that they can email detailed information as needed. While on the road (this includes Europe since my phone will not work as much with CDMA), I can find local WiFi networks to get my messages. If the message is important, a phone call is better than a text message anyway.
It might be, but this problem is being reported world-wide by users on Apple's forum alone. That isn't to say that AT&T isn't making it worse, but they are not alone.
(2) Verizon doesn't suffer from these problems because it uses CDMA.
The 3G that AT&T has implemented used Wide CDMA. It's far more likely that hardware and different frequencies make the difference between the two. Old GSM uses TDMA.
As an extra note. I just read that Verizon will be using the new 700mhz spectrum for the new LTE network. They said that at first it will be primarily used for data downloads. Japan has begun testing this with download speeds of up to 400 Mbps. And China is following with adopting LTE.
It looks like I will be able to use my iPhone in more places worldwide by 2012!
Yes its been well documented that Verizon has better network coverage than AT&T. How good or bad coverage is within any given city really is more conjecture and opinion.
Its highly unlikely the iPhone will ever use CDMA chips. You will have to wait until Verizon switches to an LTE network.
I'd like to see that documentation because at my old job - not far from downtown Fort Worth - I got absolutely no reception whatsoever with Verizon but got 3-4 bars with AT&T. Call it conjecture and opinion all you want but that's the reality of the situation. It's all about how much the company cares about where you live. AT&T doesn't seem to care enough to become the best service in NYC because, most likely, the cost-benefit analysis doesn't work out in their favor...
I guess you have to pay a premium for great service and lousy phones.
And AT&Fee is such a bargain?
Well ya know - Verizon is now charging $2.99 a month for that God-awful implementation of Visual Voicemail so yeah, that counts as both nickel and dimeing. Also, I know this is somewhat beside the point but there are free apps out there on the App Store that are better than any application you can get from the VZStore and their prices are AWFUL.
I've been working in Asia recently - using a 3G iPhone - I haven't been able to get it to jump on to a 3G network in Hong Kong - and could rarely even get an edge data connection in Vietnam and Thailand - even though my Treo worked flawlessly....
I tried to manually set the network in both HK and Thailand and the little wheel just cycles - the phone never shows available networks.... very disappointing... Again - a treo 750 works flawlessly...
I am not sure whose fault it is, but there is an issue with my iphone - the email rarely comes through unless I reboot the thing. I get a full 3g signal here in NY but then sometimes get an error message saying that I'm not on the internet. The first iphone was not like this at all. I'm very unhappy with this thing. So disappointed in Apple.
How about repeaters? Do you have any experience with repeaters for use inside buildings whose outer walls don't pass the radio signals adequately?
They tend to put the repeaters on the outside of buildings. Being that the repeaters can run up to 5 watts or more, you would not want that sucker anywhere near your body unless you want to produce only girls or go completely steril.
Still even with repeaters you can get dropped calls, missed handoever..... It is the nature of the beast.
I *strongly* recommend one of those "in-depth" AppleInsider articles dedicated to explaining how mobile phones work... I don't mean this condescendingly - it would explain, in plain english:
- How a cell tower uses a mathematical calculation (such as an application of a Kalman Filter) to estimate the location of a user from one cycle to the next.
- That the amount of power needed by the tower & phone is optimized to minimize costs & battery drainage (...maybe the whole article should be a colloquial explanation of Kalman Filters...)
- That the quality of reception, especially pertaining to % likelihood of dropped calls, depends heavily on the quality of the equations, the quality/accuracy of the software programming (turning math into programming language), and (last, but not least) the general hardware implementation.
Only then does the specific hardware of an iphone, or whatever, become relevant. AT&T/Cingular's GSM has always sucked compared to Verizon because of the quality of their algorithms. Their 3G code is an improvement (fewer dropped calls and psycho wtf moments in full-coverage areas), but Verizon's implementation of cdma is extremely stable by comparison.
The specific hardware on the iphone might exaggerate the existing limitations of the network, but no hardware can compensate for a cell tower that routinely (too often) guesses wrong about your location and doesn't compensate for bad estimation by upping the juice.
And yes, a mobile phone tutorial is appropriate here because Apple (all computing) is clearly moving toward wireless, and the basic concepts such an article would explain pertain to all wireless signals (cellphones, wifi, tracking ballistic missiles, etc).
Also: My employer gives out VMWare for free with Office 2007, and it works wonderfully in its segregated windows-world (frankly, better than 2008 did), so I strongly suspect office for mac will eventually just die.
They tend to put the repeaters on the outside of buildings. Being that the repeaters can run up to 5 watts or more, you would not want that sucker anywhere near your body unless you want to produce only girls or go completely steril.
Still even with repeaters you can get dropped calls, missed handoever..... It is the nature of the beast.
I've found some that are meant for somewhat smaller buildings, I don't think they'd be that powerful at least on the inside antenna. The other antenna would be on the roof. I'm more concerned about signal strength. On the top floor, I usually get a good signal, but on the bottom floor, I get nothing or barely enough signal to register.
I've found some that are meant for somewhat smaller buildings, I don't think they'd be that powerful at least on the inside antenna. The other antenna would be on the roof. I'm more concerned about signal strength. On the top floor, I usually get a good signal, but on the bottom floor, I get nothing or barely enough signal to register.
The thing about 3G antenna is that they are placed lower than normal GSM antenna. This could contribute to signal lost and interference.
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While I agree that they would have to fix it, I think it would be best that a third party look into it as I really can not trust Apple to come clean about this. I just don't think they will.
It's all about the bottom line.
Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn't believe.
Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?
Narrator: A major one.
Just for a mutual understanding, we are talking about cell phones here and not hard lines. Dropped calls, botched handovers, ghost signals, multi-path, etc... are all par for the course with cell phones. From my own experience here in Finland which is arguably one the most advance countries when it comes to cell technology has network dropouts from time to time or poor reception. No network can guarantee 100% call completion or a 100% rate. It is what it is.
How about repeaters? Do you have any experience with repeaters for use inside buildings whose outer walls don't pass the radio signals adequately?
I guess you have to pay a premium for great service and lousy phones.
And AT&Fee is such a bargain?
Text messaging is the only rip off charge. Otherwise every other function is under a flat rate.
Also hopefully by 2012 Verizon will have stopped nickel and dimeing for every service.
Exactamudo!
I am really hoping that the US starts adopting the policy the the world has regarding text messaging. We don't pay for it unless we send it and receiving one is free. Our home phones have had this kind of customer fee for a long time, so why not cellular? Ok, they say they make ton's of $$ with it. It is becoming so great and wide that some land line customers are just giving that up for cellular only. I don't use text now, but I would if they adopted that policy. I don't want to pay for junk text messaging!
Oh and before I forget.... since I will be waiting for my iPhone for a longer period of time. I will probably pick up an iTouch and use the WiFi. I will tell my friends that they can email detailed information as needed. While on the road (this includes Europe since my phone will not work as much with CDMA), I can find local WiFi networks to get my messages. If the message is important, a phone call is better than a text message anyway.
It might be, but this problem is being reported world-wide by users on Apple's forum alone. That isn't to say that AT&T isn't making it worse, but they are not alone.
(2) Verizon doesn't suffer from these problems because it uses CDMA.
The 3G that AT&T has implemented used Wide CDMA. It's far more likely that hardware and different frequencies make the difference between the two. Old GSM uses TDMA.
It looks like I will be able to use my iPhone in more places worldwide by 2012!
Yes its been well documented that Verizon has better network coverage than AT&T. How good or bad coverage is within any given city really is more conjecture and opinion.
Its highly unlikely the iPhone will ever use CDMA chips. You will have to wait until Verizon switches to an LTE network.
I'd like to see that documentation because at my old job - not far from downtown Fort Worth - I got absolutely no reception whatsoever with Verizon but got 3-4 bars with AT&T. Call it conjecture and opinion all you want but that's the reality of the situation. It's all about how much the company cares about where you live. AT&T doesn't seem to care enough to become the best service in NYC because, most likely, the cost-benefit analysis doesn't work out in their favor...
I guess you have to pay a premium for great service and lousy phones.
And AT&Fee is such a bargain?
Well ya know - Verizon is now charging $2.99 a month for that God-awful implementation of Visual Voicemail so yeah, that counts as both nickel and dimeing. Also, I know this is somewhat beside the point but there are free apps out there on the App Store that are better than any application you can get from the VZStore and their prices are AWFUL.
I tried to manually set the network in both HK and Thailand and the little wheel just cycles - the phone never shows available networks.... very disappointing... Again - a treo 750 works flawlessly...
September 9 anyone?
It's all about the bottom line.
Nice one.
Sorry about the multiple posts. Something hung and posted 3 times.
It's all about the bottom line.
Nice one.
It's all about the bottom line.
Nice one.
How about repeaters? Do you have any experience with repeaters for use inside buildings whose outer walls don't pass the radio signals adequately?
They tend to put the repeaters on the outside of buildings. Being that the repeaters can run up to 5 watts or more, you would not want that sucker anywhere near your body unless you want to produce only girls or go completely steril.
Still even with repeaters you can get dropped calls, missed handoever..... It is the nature of the beast.
Text messaging is the only rip off charge. Otherwise every other function is under a flat rate.
And text messages are no strain on the network. They are sent in the SS7 protocol which in turn is used for signaling.
- How a cell tower uses a mathematical calculation (such as an application of a Kalman Filter) to estimate the location of a user from one cycle to the next.
- That the amount of power needed by the tower & phone is optimized to minimize costs & battery drainage (...maybe the whole article should be a colloquial explanation of Kalman Filters...)
- That the quality of reception, especially pertaining to % likelihood of dropped calls, depends heavily on the quality of the equations, the quality/accuracy of the software programming (turning math into programming language), and (last, but not least) the general hardware implementation.
Only then does the specific hardware of an iphone, or whatever, become relevant. AT&T/Cingular's GSM has always sucked compared to Verizon because of the quality of their algorithms. Their 3G code is an improvement (fewer dropped calls and psycho wtf moments in full-coverage areas), but Verizon's implementation of cdma is extremely stable by comparison.
The specific hardware on the iphone might exaggerate the existing limitations of the network, but no hardware can compensate for a cell tower that routinely (too often) guesses wrong about your location and doesn't compensate for bad estimation by upping the juice.
And yes, a mobile phone tutorial is appropriate here because Apple (all computing) is clearly moving toward wireless, and the basic concepts such an article would explain pertain to all wireless signals (cellphones, wifi, tracking ballistic missiles, etc).
Also: My employer gives out VMWare for free with Office 2007, and it works wonderfully in its segregated windows-world (frankly, better than 2008 did), so I strongly suspect office for mac will eventually just die.
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/new...e-3g-problems/
They tend to put the repeaters on the outside of buildings. Being that the repeaters can run up to 5 watts or more, you would not want that sucker anywhere near your body unless you want to produce only girls or go completely steril.
Still even with repeaters you can get dropped calls, missed handoever..... It is the nature of the beast.
I've found some that are meant for somewhat smaller buildings, I don't think they'd be that powerful at least on the inside antenna. The other antenna would be on the roof. I'm more concerned about signal strength. On the top floor, I usually get a good signal, but on the bottom floor, I get nothing or barely enough signal to register.
I've found some that are meant for somewhat smaller buildings, I don't think they'd be that powerful at least on the inside antenna. The other antenna would be on the roof. I'm more concerned about signal strength. On the top floor, I usually get a good signal, but on the bottom floor, I get nothing or barely enough signal to register.
The thing about 3G antenna is that they are placed lower than normal GSM antenna. This could contribute to signal lost and interference.