They're not. They are having fun, and I don't see all that much passion or anger in this thread. Perhaps you're seeing what you want to see instead of what is actually there? You are, for example, the only user of the word "damn" so far.
Jealous of his money? Sure. Of him? Not so much. Honestly, I never found him nearly as funny as he thought he was. Only saw maybe 10 of his shows 'cos they simply never kept my attention or made me chuckle much. Therefore, it's not really a question of jealousy, it's one of being dubious of Microsoft's selection. We're allowed to question Microsoft's moves just as we're allowed to question Apple's. Again, perhaps it's you who is projecting--you cannot understand why we're not in complete awe of Seinfeld's $10 million contract and think that discounts any critique of him or Microsoft. Problem is, it's unclear how that logically follows.
It's certainly ironic--you can't deny that. And you are skipping the part where he was featured in one of Apple's "Think Different" ads. That actually does border on a moral dilemma, because he accepted a part in a serious-themed production in which he lent his persona to a "I don't follow the mainstream" claim. Now he's selling himself to the mainstream for $10 million. If that is not a moral dilemma, then it's pretty self-disparaging of him and does, in my eyes, diminish him. And I doubt I'm alone. But you appear to put money above all else, so to your value set if someone is paid for doing something, all other considerations become secondary. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.
Vista, when installed on new hardware, simply doesn't have these problems
Nice caveat. So the moment Microsoft comes out with a new OS, you're stuck buying a new PC? Personally, I'm glad Apple has no such requirements--I'm running Leopard on Macs that are four years old with zero problems. Hopefully this is an advantage to the Mac world that you and your wallet will appreciate in coming years.
Instead of taking the money to build a complete new and stunning OS, they take the money to make us believe that vista is not as bad as it really is. Whoohoo !!
omg...
But hey, I would tell anyone VISTA is great if Microsoft pays me ten million dollars. Hello Mr Gates, are you interested. I could buy me some nice new macs for the money...
Seinfeld's last new episode aired in May 1998 in the US. That is over a decade ago. I know the series is still poular in syndication but it's still a good 8 years too late.
So will Kramer (Michael Richards) use one his famous violent bursts through Jerry's apartment door during the Ads? Oh wait, perhaps he'll go on a tirade and start telling Gates how Vista sucks?
And rob Ballmer of his famous outbursts? I think not.
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Anyone one here savvy enough to turn this animated gif into an iPod ad?
So now Microsoft is hiring a cliche comedian to advertise their cliche company!? What a mistake this will be! Sure Seinfeld's show was good, but does he really want to be typecast as the poster boy for a failing trend as well? Looks like things for Microsoft will only get worse!
Apple should quickly hire Jason Alexander (aka George Costanza) and replace John Hodgman to be the new PC guy!!! Could you imagine the series of counter-ads to Microsoft?
Spoken like a lifetime Windows acolyte with nearly 3 weeks of Mac ownership under his belt.
Here's a Mac-only feature you may have missed: Since you're only using Mac for iPhone development and are an experienced Windows installer, why not install Vista on your new Mac and run both at the same time? (It's a "have cake AND eat it" scenario). I'll bet you a new PC of your choice you haven't done that on a WIndows Vista PC, brand new or otherwise.
And how much time have you spent on Vista? I have seen so many lies brandished here. People talking about the "Blue screen of death" and such things, which haven't happened since Windows 98. My Vista (or XP) for that matter have never crashed on me in that manner.
As to your other point, I would be able to install Mac OS on my PC if Apple weren't so restrictive and closed off. As it is, I was forced by them to spend 500 euros on hardware I don't even need! Luckily for Mac people, Microsoft do not take this stance, so you're able to run Vista or XP on your machines.
Apple's control freak, "do what you're told" attitude makes them far worse than Microsoft in my opinion in the ethical stakes. They constantly take consumers for a ride (more examples being iPhone lock down and carrier monopolies), which I can understand because they are a corporation and will get away with whatever they can.
What really gets to me though are all the Apple Fan Boys that defend them for doing it! Seriously, you people need to get a grip on the propaganda you are spreading.
And how much time have you spent on Vista? I have seen so many lies brandished here. People talking about the "Blue screen of death" and such things, which haven't happened since Windows 98. My Vista (or XP) for that matter have never crashed on me in that manner.
As to your other point, I would be able to install Mac OS on my PC if Apple weren't so restrictive and closed off. As it is, I was forced by them to spend 500 euros on hardware I don't even need! Luckily for Mac people, Microsoft do not take this stance, so you're able to run Vista or XP on your machines.
Apple's control freak, "do what you're told" attitude makes them far worse than Microsoft in my opinion in the ethical stakes. They constantly take consumers for a ride (more examples being iPhone lock down and carrier monopolies), which I can understand because they are a corporation and will get away with whatever they can.
What really gets to me though are all the Apple Fan Boys that defend them for doing it! Seriously, you people need to get a grip on the propaganda you are spreading.
This comes down to basic questions... Do you think that if you have a way of acquiring something without paying for it, should it be free? Do you believe corporations are inherently 'evil'? Are you now, or have you ever been a Communist?
They're not. They are having fun, and I don't see all that much passion or anger in this thread. Perhaps you're seeing what you want to see instead of what is actually there? You are, for example, the only user of the word "damn" so far.
Jealous of his money? Sure. Of him? Not so much. Honestly, I never found him nearly as funny as he thought he was. Only saw maybe 10 of his shows 'cos they simply never kept my attention or made me chuckle much. Therefore, it's not really a question of jealousy, it's one of being dubious of Microsoft's selection. We're allowed to question Microsoft's moves just as we're allowed to question Apple's. Again, perhaps it's you who is projecting--you cannot understand why we're not in complete awe of Seinfeld's $10 million contract and think that discounts any critique of him or Microsoft. Problem is, it's unclear how that logically follows.
It's certainly ironic--you can't deny that. And you are skipping the part where he was featured in one of Apple's "Think Different" ads. That actually does border on a moral dilemma, because he accepted a part in a serious-themed production in which he lent his persona to a "I don't follow the mainstream" claim. Now he's selling himself to the mainstream for $10 million. If that is not a moral dilemma, then it's pretty self-disparaging of him and does, in my eyes, diminish him. And I doubt I'm alone. But you appear to put money above all else, so to your value set if someone is paid for doing something, all other considerations become secondary. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.
Maybe you're just having fun, but it seems like some of these guys are genuinely angry at Jerry. But that's just my interpretation; it's not always easy to judge a person's tone when the words are in writing.
Like I said in my second post, I do agree that Microsoft could have picked somebody a bit more relevant. However, I don't understand where people are coming from when they label Microsoft's decision as "insane," or at least I didn't until you mentioned the "Think Different" ads. While I did find it ironic (and kinda funny) how Seinfeld had Macs in the show and is now going to advertise for Windows, I didn't realize he'd starred in a "Think Different" ad. (I guess THAT was before my time.)
But, while this is certainly a conflict of interests (what the hell is Microsoft thinking?), I still don't see it as a moral dilemma. This is ADVERTISING we're talking about! You can't seriously expect Jerry to refuse $10 million to advertise for an operating system. IT'S JUST AN OPERATING SYSTEM! If he were in a government ad defending Guantanamo, that would be a different matter entirely, but an operating system? Who cares?!? It's not like anybody is actually going to believe that he's some big Windows fan, except for all the stupid people. Anybody with half a brain is going to recognize the fact that Jerry is doing what he always does- he's ACTING. That's all. Even if he meant what he said about "not following the mainstream," I think that only applied to life, not advertisements. And one could argue that, with Vista's extreme unpopularity, it's NOT the mainstream. (Just playing devil's advocate.)
If Tom Cruise were to play an atheist in a film, would that mean he's betrayed Scientology? According to the Scientologists, probably. But in principle, EVERYBODY would recognize the fact that he's just pretending. And Tom would expect us to know that, without even having to say anything.
I know that was WAY too wordy, but I think I made my point towards the end...
And how much time have you spent on Vista? I have seen so many lies brandished here. People talking about the "Blue screen of death" and such things, which haven't happened since Windows 98. My Vista (or XP) for that matter have never crashed on me in that manner.
As to your other point, I would be able to install Mac OS on my PC if Apple weren't so restrictive and closed off. As it is, I was forced by them to spend 500 euros on hardware I don't even need! Luckily for Mac people, Microsoft do not take this stance, so you're able to run Vista or XP on your machines.
Apple's control freak, "do what you're told" attitude makes them far worse than Microsoft in my opinion in the ethical stakes. They constantly take consumers for a ride (more examples being iPhone lock down and carrier monopolies), which I can understand because they are a corporation and will get away with whatever they can.
What really gets to me though are all the Apple Fan Boys that defend them for doing it! Seriously, you people need to get a grip on the propaganda you are spreading.
Actually, as somebody who's been defending Jerry and Microsoft through all this, I've gotta say that Vista does suck, and that I DO own it. Granted, Boot Camp limits you to only 2 GB of RAM, which hurts performance, but the fact of the matter is that you shouldn't NEED 2 GB of RAM to run nothing more than a web browser (which is often enough to make it freeze for minutes at a time).
Just in case you can't get over the Boot Camp thing, XP gave me nothing but problems as well. At school, we only had Windows PC's, and they'd routinely crash while running Photoshop. I mean, seriously- it would happen every day. It was unbelievable. And the family PC, which ran XP, constantly ran into "illegal operation" messages. (Which, I must admit, no longer seem to be a problem in Vista. That only took them 13 years to address.)
In fact, XP was the reason I switched to a Mac. Until then, I'd actually been a big Windows fan. I absolutely loved Windows 95, and I kinda miss it to this day. It NEVER crashed (I didn't even know what the blue screen looked like until the XP era), it had a very logical interface, and it was rock solid. Even though our NEC only had 8 MB of RAM (!), it was capable of handling applications that supposedly required 32 MB, and without any difficulty! Compare that to XP and Vista, which can't manage applications requiring only a fraction of their resources, and perhaps you can understand why I jumped ship after the release of XP.
And what's all this about Seinfeld only appealing to the "35+" demographic? I'm 21 years old, and I've been a Seinfeld fan for years. Now, it's POSSIBLE that I'm a rare case (I am in the business, after all), and some of my peers outside of LA have actually teased me about liking what they consider a show "for old people," but I honestly don't think I'm among the minority. I remember my friends talking about Seinfeld back in the seventh grade- long before I started watching it myself.
I wouldn't discredit the whole Seinfeld idea. Could they have chosen somebody more relevant? Yeah, of course they could have. People like Ben Stiller come to mind. But I do think it's bit premature to call Seinfeld a "has-been."
Perhaps they'll liken Vista to Seinfeld in the sense that, initially, Seinfeld looked like it wasn't going to make it, and then it became known to many people as the best TV show of all time? I'm not saying I agree with that (I pretty much hate Vista), but that might trick some people into believing Microsoft.
Everyone knows what Seinfeld is and a big majority love them. That goes for everyone 17+ that I know. This commercial might be bad news for Apple I think =S
And how much time have you spent on Vista? I have seen so many lies brandished here. People talking about the "Blue screen of death" and such things, which haven't happened since Windows 98. My Vista (or XP) for that matter have never crashed on me in that manner.
As to your other point, I would be able to install Mac OS on my PC if Apple weren't so restrictive and closed off. As it is, I was forced by them to spend 500 euros on hardware I don't even need! Luckily for Mac people, Microsoft do not take this stance, so you're able to run Vista or XP on your machines.
Apple's control freak, "do what you're told" attitude makes them far worse than Microsoft in my opinion in the ethical stakes. They constantly take consumers for a ride (more examples being iPhone lock down and carrier monopolies), which I can understand because they are a corporation and will get away with whatever they can.
What really gets to me though are all the Apple Fan Boys that defend them for doing it! Seriously, you people need to get a grip on the propaganda you are spreading.
So this is why you're developing for the iPhone and not Windows Mobile? Mkay.
For the record, I'm a .net developer. There's nothing off the top of my head that's "missing" when I'm in OSX. The one thing that XP/Vista is lacking is teh snappy. That's because of all the crap IT installs to keep it safe.
Mmm...what am I missing....oh games. That's what bootcamp is for. That and entourage sucks for me.
I thought Windows 95 while a pain in my ass to install on the multiple Compaq laptops we had at the time was A-Ok once it was configured properly.
I owned a Windows 2000 Professional installed Dell laptop that I absolutely loved. The Dell was junk, but 2000 rocked from a stability standpoint...best OS M$ has ever made, and definitely top two overall.
XP is junk, but less so with SP2 on it.
Vista is so slow it makes snails seem fast.
For many years, even while I still owned Macs, I would never tell my family members to buy them. As such we still have a retired PC that if I pulled it down from the attic would but into glorious (NOT!!!!!) Windows Me (the absolute worst Windows, ever).
NT, while not so well supported by developers, rocked! So did 2000 server and so those 2003 sever.
Exchange is really really great!
Yet, nothing M$ has done is as good as what Apple has been doing since 10.4 came out. As such, now all my family and most of our offices are Mac-based. And it is the best decision because it is an informed one.
To say that OSX has nothing on Vista and that we don't know what we are talking about is simply dumb, moronic and full of bitterness.
You simply need to STFU and sell your Mac. Believe me nobody will miss your lack of disses when you are an happy user of only Windows.
It's certainly ironic--you can't deny that. And you are skipping the part where he was featured in one of Apple's "Think Different" ads. That actually does border on a moral dilemma, because he accepted a part in a serious-themed production in which he lent his persona to a "I don't follow the mainstream" claim. Now he's selling himself to the mainstream for $10 million. If that is not a moral dilemma, then it's pretty self-disparaging of him and does, in my eyes, diminish him. And I doubt I'm alone. But you appear to put money above all else, so to your value set if someone is paid for doing something, all other considerations become secondary. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.
Yeah, that's nothing like Apple partnering with McDonalds and Nike, and using Chinese labor.
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They're not. They are having fun, and I don't see all that much passion or anger in this thread. Perhaps you're seeing what you want to see instead of what is actually there? You are, for example, the only user of the word "damn" so far.
Jealous of his money? Sure. Of him? Not so much. Honestly, I never found him nearly as funny as he thought he was. Only saw maybe 10 of his shows 'cos they simply never kept my attention or made me chuckle much. Therefore, it's not really a question of jealousy, it's one of being dubious of Microsoft's selection. We're allowed to question Microsoft's moves just as we're allowed to question Apple's. Again, perhaps it's you who is projecting--you cannot understand why we're not in complete awe of Seinfeld's $10 million contract and think that discounts any critique of him or Microsoft. Problem is, it's unclear how that logically follows.
It's certainly ironic--you can't deny that. And you are skipping the part where he was featured in one of Apple's "Think Different" ads. That actually does border on a moral dilemma, because he accepted a part in a serious-themed production in which he lent his persona to a "I don't follow the mainstream" claim. Now he's selling himself to the mainstream for $10 million. If that is not a moral dilemma, then it's pretty self-disparaging of him and does, in my eyes, diminish him. And I doubt I'm alone. But you appear to put money above all else, so to your value set if someone is paid for doing something, all other considerations become secondary. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.
Well said!
Maybe then the French will buy more iPhones.
Vista, when installed on new hardware, simply doesn't have these problems
Nice caveat. So the moment Microsoft comes out with a new OS, you're stuck buying a new PC? Personally, I'm glad Apple has no such requirements--I'm running Leopard on Macs that are four years old with zero problems. Hopefully this is an advantage to the Mac world that you and your wallet will appreciate in coming years.
I only wish I could be such a "has been" that makes 10 million dollars for a set of commercials. Oh the pain of being a has been.
Hey, if you can find a company dumb enough to pay that much for someone the public no longer cares about, you take their money.
So he's a has been who can still get companies to give him a truckload of money...but that doesn't make him any less of a has been.
Damn, why are you people so passionately angry about this?
We're not, you seem to be the one angry about it.
People think MS made a dumb pick for their campaign. We're on a message board, why shouldn't people express their opinions?
Instead of taking the money to build a complete new and stunning OS, they take the money to make us believe that vista is not as bad as it really is. Whoohoo !!
omg...
But hey, I would tell anyone VISTA is great if Microsoft pays me ten million dollars. Hello Mr Gates, are you interested. I could buy me some nice new macs for the money...
Perhaps Jack Bauer would be a better match.
So will Kramer (Michael Richards) use one his famous violent bursts through Jerry's apartment door during the Ads? Oh wait, perhaps he'll go on a tirade and start telling Gates how Vista sucks?
And rob Ballmer of his famous outbursts? I think not.
Anyone one here savvy enough to turn this animated gif into an iPod ad?
What the hell does that mean in the context of an OS?
Spoken like a lifetime Windows acolyte with nearly 3 weeks of Mac ownership under his belt.
Here's a Mac-only feature you may have missed: Since you're only using Mac for iPhone development and are an experienced Windows installer, why not install Vista on your new Mac and run both at the same time? (It's a "have cake AND eat it" scenario). I'll bet you a new PC of your choice you haven't done that on a WIndows Vista PC, brand new or otherwise.
And how much time have you spent on Vista? I have seen so many lies brandished here. People talking about the "Blue screen of death" and such things, which haven't happened since Windows 98. My Vista (or XP) for that matter have never crashed on me in that manner.
As to your other point, I would be able to install Mac OS on my PC if Apple weren't so restrictive and closed off. As it is, I was forced by them to spend 500 euros on hardware I don't even need! Luckily for Mac people, Microsoft do not take this stance, so you're able to run Vista or XP on your machines.
Apple's control freak, "do what you're told" attitude makes them far worse than Microsoft in my opinion in the ethical stakes. They constantly take consumers for a ride (more examples being iPhone lock down and carrier monopolies), which I can understand because they are a corporation and will get away with whatever they can.
What really gets to me though are all the Apple Fan Boys that defend them for doing it! Seriously, you people need to get a grip on the propaganda you are spreading.
And how much time have you spent on Vista? I have seen so many lies brandished here. People talking about the "Blue screen of death" and such things, which haven't happened since Windows 98. My Vista (or XP) for that matter have never crashed on me in that manner.
As to your other point, I would be able to install Mac OS on my PC if Apple weren't so restrictive and closed off. As it is, I was forced by them to spend 500 euros on hardware I don't even need! Luckily for Mac people, Microsoft do not take this stance, so you're able to run Vista or XP on your machines.
Apple's control freak, "do what you're told" attitude makes them far worse than Microsoft in my opinion in the ethical stakes. They constantly take consumers for a ride (more examples being iPhone lock down and carrier monopolies), which I can understand because they are a corporation and will get away with whatever they can.
What really gets to me though are all the Apple Fan Boys that defend them for doing it! Seriously, you people need to get a grip on the propaganda you are spreading.
This comes down to basic questions... Do you think that if you have a way of acquiring something without paying for it, should it be free? Do you believe corporations are inherently 'evil'? Are you now, or have you ever been a Communist?
Buh-bye.
They're not. They are having fun, and I don't see all that much passion or anger in this thread. Perhaps you're seeing what you want to see instead of what is actually there? You are, for example, the only user of the word "damn" so far.
Jealous of his money? Sure. Of him? Not so much. Honestly, I never found him nearly as funny as he thought he was. Only saw maybe 10 of his shows 'cos they simply never kept my attention or made me chuckle much. Therefore, it's not really a question of jealousy, it's one of being dubious of Microsoft's selection. We're allowed to question Microsoft's moves just as we're allowed to question Apple's. Again, perhaps it's you who is projecting--you cannot understand why we're not in complete awe of Seinfeld's $10 million contract and think that discounts any critique of him or Microsoft. Problem is, it's unclear how that logically follows.
It's certainly ironic--you can't deny that. And you are skipping the part where he was featured in one of Apple's "Think Different" ads. That actually does border on a moral dilemma, because he accepted a part in a serious-themed production in which he lent his persona to a "I don't follow the mainstream" claim. Now he's selling himself to the mainstream for $10 million. If that is not a moral dilemma, then it's pretty self-disparaging of him and does, in my eyes, diminish him. And I doubt I'm alone. But you appear to put money above all else, so to your value set if someone is paid for doing something, all other considerations become secondary. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.
Maybe you're just having fun, but it seems like some of these guys are genuinely angry at Jerry. But that's just my interpretation; it's not always easy to judge a person's tone when the words are in writing.
Like I said in my second post, I do agree that Microsoft could have picked somebody a bit more relevant. However, I don't understand where people are coming from when they label Microsoft's decision as "insane," or at least I didn't until you mentioned the "Think Different" ads. While I did find it ironic (and kinda funny) how Seinfeld had Macs in the show and is now going to advertise for Windows, I didn't realize he'd starred in a "Think Different" ad. (I guess THAT was before my time.)
But, while this is certainly a conflict of interests (what the hell is Microsoft thinking?), I still don't see it as a moral dilemma. This is ADVERTISING we're talking about! You can't seriously expect Jerry to refuse $10 million to advertise for an operating system. IT'S JUST AN OPERATING SYSTEM! If he were in a government ad defending Guantanamo, that would be a different matter entirely, but an operating system? Who cares?!? It's not like anybody is actually going to believe that he's some big Windows fan, except for all the stupid people. Anybody with half a brain is going to recognize the fact that Jerry is doing what he always does- he's ACTING. That's all. Even if he meant what he said about "not following the mainstream," I think that only applied to life, not advertisements. And one could argue that, with Vista's extreme unpopularity, it's NOT the mainstream. (Just playing devil's advocate.)
If Tom Cruise were to play an atheist in a film, would that mean he's betrayed Scientology? According to the Scientologists, probably. But in principle, EVERYBODY would recognize the fact that he's just pretending. And Tom would expect us to know that, without even having to say anything.
I know that was WAY too wordy, but I think I made my point towards the end...
And how much time have you spent on Vista? I have seen so many lies brandished here. People talking about the "Blue screen of death" and such things, which haven't happened since Windows 98. My Vista (or XP) for that matter have never crashed on me in that manner.
As to your other point, I would be able to install Mac OS on my PC if Apple weren't so restrictive and closed off. As it is, I was forced by them to spend 500 euros on hardware I don't even need! Luckily for Mac people, Microsoft do not take this stance, so you're able to run Vista or XP on your machines.
Apple's control freak, "do what you're told" attitude makes them far worse than Microsoft in my opinion in the ethical stakes. They constantly take consumers for a ride (more examples being iPhone lock down and carrier monopolies), which I can understand because they are a corporation and will get away with whatever they can.
What really gets to me though are all the Apple Fan Boys that defend them for doing it! Seriously, you people need to get a grip on the propaganda you are spreading.
Actually, as somebody who's been defending Jerry and Microsoft through all this, I've gotta say that Vista does suck, and that I DO own it. Granted, Boot Camp limits you to only 2 GB of RAM, which hurts performance, but the fact of the matter is that you shouldn't NEED 2 GB of RAM to run nothing more than a web browser (which is often enough to make it freeze for minutes at a time).
Just in case you can't get over the Boot Camp thing, XP gave me nothing but problems as well. At school, we only had Windows PC's, and they'd routinely crash while running Photoshop. I mean, seriously- it would happen every day. It was unbelievable. And the family PC, which ran XP, constantly ran into "illegal operation" messages. (Which, I must admit, no longer seem to be a problem in Vista. That only took them 13 years to address.)
In fact, XP was the reason I switched to a Mac. Until then, I'd actually been a big Windows fan. I absolutely loved Windows 95, and I kinda miss it to this day. It NEVER crashed (I didn't even know what the blue screen looked like until the XP era), it had a very logical interface, and it was rock solid. Even though our NEC only had 8 MB of RAM (!), it was capable of handling applications that supposedly required 32 MB, and without any difficulty! Compare that to XP and Vista, which can't manage applications requiring only a fraction of their resources, and perhaps you can understand why I jumped ship after the release of XP.
And what's all this about Seinfeld only appealing to the "35+" demographic? I'm 21 years old, and I've been a Seinfeld fan for years. Now, it's POSSIBLE that I'm a rare case (I am in the business, after all), and some of my peers outside of LA have actually teased me about liking what they consider a show "for old people," but I honestly don't think I'm among the minority. I remember my friends talking about Seinfeld back in the seventh grade- long before I started watching it myself.
I wouldn't discredit the whole Seinfeld idea. Could they have chosen somebody more relevant? Yeah, of course they could have. People like Ben Stiller come to mind. But I do think it's bit premature to call Seinfeld a "has-been."
Perhaps they'll liken Vista to Seinfeld in the sense that, initially, Seinfeld looked like it wasn't going to make it, and then it became known to many people as the best TV show of all time? I'm not saying I agree with that (I pretty much hate Vista), but that might trick some people into believing Microsoft.
Everyone knows what Seinfeld is and a big majority love them. That goes for everyone 17+ that I know. This commercial might be bad news for Apple I think =S
And how much time have you spent on Vista? I have seen so many lies brandished here. People talking about the "Blue screen of death" and such things, which haven't happened since Windows 98. My Vista (or XP) for that matter have never crashed on me in that manner.
As to your other point, I would be able to install Mac OS on my PC if Apple weren't so restrictive and closed off. As it is, I was forced by them to spend 500 euros on hardware I don't even need! Luckily for Mac people, Microsoft do not take this stance, so you're able to run Vista or XP on your machines.
Apple's control freak, "do what you're told" attitude makes them far worse than Microsoft in my opinion in the ethical stakes. They constantly take consumers for a ride (more examples being iPhone lock down and carrier monopolies), which I can understand because they are a corporation and will get away with whatever they can.
What really gets to me though are all the Apple Fan Boys that defend them for doing it! Seriously, you people need to get a grip on the propaganda you are spreading.
So this is why you're developing for the iPhone and not Windows Mobile? Mkay.
For the record, I'm a .net developer. There's nothing off the top of my head that's "missing" when I'm in OSX. The one thing that XP/Vista is lacking is teh snappy. That's because of all the crap IT installs to keep it safe.
Mmm...what am I missing....oh games. That's what bootcamp is for. That and entourage sucks for me.
I thought Windows 95 while a pain in my ass to install on the multiple Compaq laptops we had at the time was A-Ok once it was configured properly.
I owned a Windows 2000 Professional installed Dell laptop that I absolutely loved. The Dell was junk, but 2000 rocked from a stability standpoint...best OS M$ has ever made, and definitely top two overall.
XP is junk, but less so with SP2 on it.
Vista is so slow it makes snails seem fast.
For many years, even while I still owned Macs, I would never tell my family members to buy them. As such we still have a retired PC that if I pulled it down from the attic would but into glorious (NOT!!!!!) Windows Me (the absolute worst Windows, ever).
NT, while not so well supported by developers, rocked! So did 2000 server and so those 2003 sever.
Exchange is really really great!
Yet, nothing M$ has done is as good as what Apple has been doing since 10.4 came out. As such, now all my family and most of our offices are Mac-based. And it is the best decision because it is an informed one.
To say that OSX has nothing on Vista and that we don't know what we are talking about is simply dumb, moronic and full of bitterness.
You simply need to STFU and sell your Mac. Believe me nobody will miss your lack of disses when you are an happy user of only Windows.
It's certainly ironic--you can't deny that. And you are skipping the part where he was featured in one of Apple's "Think Different" ads. That actually does border on a moral dilemma, because he accepted a part in a serious-themed production in which he lent his persona to a "I don't follow the mainstream" claim. Now he's selling himself to the mainstream for $10 million. If that is not a moral dilemma, then it's pretty self-disparaging of him and does, in my eyes, diminish him. And I doubt I'm alone. But you appear to put money above all else, so to your value set if someone is paid for doing something, all other considerations become secondary. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.
Yeah, that's nothing like Apple partnering with McDonalds and Nike, and using Chinese labor.
Pull your head out of your a**.