where are you pulling these figure out of? I've never ever seen a $5k mbp, even in A$. 50% premium? um, a touch melodramatic?
I'm adding a 50% premium to my used MacBook Pro, since you're content with paying that much extra for its engineering, design, and software
Regarding a 50% premium for Apple products (at times), look:
Dell XPS M1330 $1099
2.4Ghz T8300, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
3GB RAM
320GB Hard Drive
Burn DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcam, Bluetooth, Wifi
MacBook $1499
2.4Ghz T8300, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
2GB RAM
250GB Hard Drive
Burn DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcam, Bluetooth, Wifi
Note that you can't get a 320GB hard drive in a MacBook, and the RAM is a GB less than the Dells, but you can upgrade to 4GB of RAM in the MacBook for a low low price of $1,699 if you act now.
This line of argument has been rebutted on many occasions by others more knowledgeable than i. If you want to count that as a win, go for it, because i cbf and whether you purchase an mb or mbp doesn't matter to me. Whine away, whilst we use our macs and enjoy the experience.
Buy your cheaper PC, enjoy whatever OS you choose to use, enjoy the pitfalls of viruses and anti-virus software, enjoy not using iApps and pro-Apps, enjoy sony recalling your viao, or your dell falling apart etc etc. Then you can whine some more.
Adding 50% to a used mbp, oh how convincing, and witty. :golfclap:
Buy your cheaper PC, enjoy whatever OS you choose to use, enjoy the pitfalls of viruses and anti-virus software, enjoy not using iApps and pro-Apps, enjoy sony recalling your viao, or your dell falling apart etc etc. Then you can whine some more.
FFS
Screw you, I'm going to enjoy my Mac, and continue whining and love every minute of it.
Sony has often been considered one of the more expensive vendors, but ok then:
Apple MacBook $1099
2.1Ghz T8100, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
1GB RAM
120GB Hard Drive
Play DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcam, Bluetooth, Wifi
Dell XPS M1330 $1099
2.4Ghz T8300, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
3GB RAM
320GB Hard Drive
Burn DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcame, Bluetooth, Wifi
From the Dell Home site on 9/16/2008:
XPS M1330 2.1Ghz - $1,258
Tuxedo Black
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T8100 (2.1GHz/800Mhz FSB/3MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1
Standard Display with 2.0 Megapixel Webcam
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
Size: 160GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW Drive)
Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card
Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
High Definition Audio 2.0
Biometric Fingerprint Reader
MacBook 2.1Ghz - $1,249
MacBook 2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - White
Part Number: Z0FJ
2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
Keyboard (English) / User's Guide
Accessory kit
That's even with Apple's $100 for 1GB of RAM ripoff. $41.99 at Crucial for a 2GB kit. Combo drive though.
Lets try at 2.4Ghz
XPS M1330 2.4 GHz- $1,308
Tuxedo Black
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T8300 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB/3MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1
Standard Display with 2.0 Megapixel Webcam
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
Size: 160GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW Drive)
Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card
Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
High Definition Audio 2.0
Biometric Fingerprint Reader
MacBook 2.4GHz - $1299
MacBook (White) - 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Part Number: MB403LL/A
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Keyboard (English) / User's Guide
Accessory kit
The new Dell Inspiron 13 2.4Ghz is cheaper but lacks FW and DVI. The next MB should stack up very well against it when it comes out soon and more on par with the more upscale XPS line...which I guess will get a refresh as well.
But what is clear is that the MB is STILL competitive with BOTH Dell and Sony. At least when you actually GO to thier sites and get real pricing.
But what is clear is that the MB is STILL competitive with BOTH Dell and Sony. At least when you actually GO to thier sites and get real pricing.
The specs I posted were from their website earlier today. For the life of me I cannot find them again, but I'm sure you know well as me that trying to shop from Dell's website is damn near impossible.
The new Dell Inspiron 13 2.4Ghz is cheaper but lacks FW and DVI. The next MB should stack up very well against it when it comes out soon and more on par with the more upscale XPS line...which I guess will get a refresh as well.
Apple has stated it will offer expensive functionality that other OEM will not be able to compete with. Theirs still a mystery as to what that will be.
The specs I posted were from their website earlier today. For the life of me I cannot find them again, but I'm sure you know well as me that trying to shop from Dell's website is damn near impossible.
Well they aren't $250 cheaper right now even with the $438 instant savings although it does come with 3GB RAM and a 250GB drive in that package but it's $1,344 for the 2.1Ghz model. The 2.4GHz version is $1,394.
Yes, you DO need to add in Bluetooth and the 6-cell battery for the M1330 since the MacBook has those.
The Dell Inspiron 13 IS cheaper than both the M1330 and the MacBook because it was released last month and is a lower end model.
Apple has stated it will offer expensive functionality that other OEM will not be able to compete with. Theirs still a mystery as to what that will be.
We'll know when we know. It may not even be related to the MacBook...there are too many potential product changes to even hazard a guess beyond the usual suspects.
Well they aren't $250 cheaper right now even with the $438 instant savings although it does come with 3GB RAM and a 250GB drive in that package but it's $1,344 for the 2.1Ghz model. The 2.4GHz version is $1,394.
Yes, you DO need to add in Bluetooth and the 6-cell battery for the M1330 since the MacBook has those.
The Dell Inspiron 13 IS cheaper than both the M1330 and the MacBook because it was released last month and is a lower end model.
Yes, it's a lower model, but more of a direct competitor to the MacBook 13". The XPS, whetever PR spin you want to give it, is a more high-end notebook that is offerred with dedicated gfx as an option. The Inspiron 13" is integrated only, as is the MacBook.
PS: the Inspiron even has an ExpressCard slot and a SD card reader. I need those! I hope the next MacBook has them built-in!\
Well in that case, maybe you could toss an extra five-hundred bucks my way, since that's how much it costs to get an equally-equipped Apple laptop, and you don't seem to be all too concerned with giving out free money
It does not cost an extra $500 to get an equally equipped MacBook. Show me a laptop with the MacBook's specs for $500.
For the MBP, there are PC alternatives for $500 less, but they are uber ugly, run Windozzzzze, etc.
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where are you pulling these figure out of? I've never ever seen a $5k mbp, even in A$. 50% premium? um, a touch melodramatic?
I'm adding a 50% premium to my used MacBook Pro, since you're content with paying that much extra for its engineering, design, and software
Regarding a 50% premium for Apple products (at times), look:
Dell XPS M1330 $1099
2.4Ghz T8300, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
3GB RAM
320GB Hard Drive
Burn DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcam, Bluetooth, Wifi
MacBook $1499
2.4Ghz T8300, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
2GB RAM
250GB Hard Drive
Burn DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcam, Bluetooth, Wifi
Note that you can't get a 320GB hard drive in a MacBook, and the RAM is a GB less than the Dells, but you can upgrade to 4GB of RAM in the MacBook for a low low price of $1,699 if you act now.
As i said, engineering, design, software development all costs money
Are you aware of how much it costs them? Otherwise the point is moot.
^Ahhh, well played, Cory.
Buy your cheaper PC, enjoy whatever OS you choose to use, enjoy the pitfalls of viruses and anti-virus software, enjoy not using iApps and pro-Apps, enjoy sony recalling your viao, or your dell falling apart etc etc. Then you can whine some more.
Adding 50% to a used mbp, oh how convincing, and witty. :golfclap:
Buy your cheaper PC, enjoy whatever OS you choose to use, enjoy the pitfalls of viruses and anti-virus software, enjoy not using iApps and pro-Apps, enjoy sony recalling your viao, or your dell falling apart etc etc. Then you can whine some more.
FFS
Screw you, I'm going to enjoy my Mac, and continue whining and love every minute of it.
FFS
Screw you, I'm going to enjoy my Mac, and continue whining and love every minute of it.
haha, good post!
fwiw, that was directed at CB.
no worries!
You smilie thief!
You smilie thief!
Sony has often been considered one of the more expensive vendors, but ok then:
Apple MacBook $1099
2.1Ghz T8100, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
1GB RAM
120GB Hard Drive
Play DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcam, Bluetooth, Wifi
Dell XPS M1330 $1099
2.4Ghz T8300, 800Mhz FSB, 3MB Cache
3GB RAM
320GB Hard Drive
Burn DVDs, Burn CDs
Webcame, Bluetooth, Wifi
From the Dell Home site on 9/16/2008:
XPS M1330 2.1Ghz - $1,258
Tuxedo Black
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T8100 (2.1GHz/800Mhz FSB/3MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1
Standard Display with 2.0 Megapixel Webcam
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
Size: 160GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW Drive)
Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card
Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
High Definition Audio 2.0
Biometric Fingerprint Reader
MacBook 2.1Ghz - $1,249
MacBook 2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - White
Part Number: Z0FJ
2.1GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CD-RW)
Keyboard (English) / User's Guide
Accessory kit
That's even with Apple's $100 for 1GB of RAM ripoff. $41.99 at Crucial for a 2GB kit. Combo drive though.
Lets try at 2.4Ghz
XPS M1330 2.4 GHz- $1,308
Tuxedo Black
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T8300 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB/3MB cache)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Edition SP1
Standard Display with 2.0 Megapixel Webcam
2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
Size: 160GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW Drive)
Intel® Integrated Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card
Built-in Bluetooth capability (2.0 EDR)
56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)
High Definition Audio 2.0
Biometric Fingerprint Reader
MacBook 2.4GHz - $1299
MacBook (White) - 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Part Number: MB403LL/A
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Keyboard (English) / User's Guide
Accessory kit
The new Dell Inspiron 13 2.4Ghz is cheaper but lacks FW and DVI. The next MB should stack up very well against it when it comes out soon and more on par with the more upscale XPS line...which I guess will get a refresh as well.
But what is clear is that the MB is STILL competitive with BOTH Dell and Sony. At least when you actually GO to thier sites and get real pricing.
But what is clear is that the MB is STILL competitive with BOTH Dell and Sony. At least when you actually GO to thier sites and get real pricing.
The specs I posted were from their website earlier today. For the life of me I cannot find them again, but I'm sure you know well as me that trying to shop from Dell's website is damn near impossible.
I'm adding a 50% premium to my used MacBook Pro, since you're content with paying that much extra for its engineering, design, and software
Regarding a 50% premium for Apple products (at times), look:
There is no premium. Against the XPS M1330, from the price from their US Home site the MacBook is cheaper as shown above.
The new Dell Inspiron 13 2.4Ghz is cheaper but lacks FW and DVI. The next MB should stack up very well against it when it comes out soon and more on par with the more upscale XPS line...which I guess will get a refresh as well.
Apple has stated it will offer expensive functionality that other OEM will not be able to compete with. Theirs still a mystery as to what that will be.
The specs I posted were from their website earlier today. For the life of me I cannot find them again, but I'm sure you know well as me that trying to shop from Dell's website is damn near impossible.
Well they aren't $250 cheaper right now even with the $438 instant savings although it does come with 3GB RAM and a 250GB drive in that package but it's $1,344 for the 2.1Ghz model. The 2.4GHz version is $1,394.
Yes, you DO need to add in Bluetooth and the 6-cell battery for the M1330 since the MacBook has those.
The Dell Inspiron 13 IS cheaper than both the M1330 and the MacBook because it was released last month and is a lower end model.
Here's the XPS M1330's specs and price I had found earlier today and posted here.
That's a nice sale price, I stand corrected. The only thing you need to add is the $79 6 Cell battery that puts it at $1,178.
Now the MacBook 2.4Ghz at Amazon is $1,203.98 with rebate but is short 1GB of RAM and half the size HDD.
It's STILL not a 50% cost differential.
Apple has stated it will offer expensive functionality that other OEM will not be able to compete with. Theirs still a mystery as to what that will be.
We'll know when we know. It may not even be related to the MacBook...there are too many potential product changes to even hazard a guess beyond the usual suspects.
Well they aren't $250 cheaper right now even with the $438 instant savings although it does come with 3GB RAM and a 250GB drive in that package but it's $1,344 for the 2.1Ghz model. The 2.4GHz version is $1,394.
Yes, you DO need to add in Bluetooth and the 6-cell battery for the M1330 since the MacBook has those.
The Dell Inspiron 13 IS cheaper than both the M1330 and the MacBook because it was released last month and is a lower end model.
Yes, it's a lower model, but more of a direct competitor to the MacBook 13". The XPS, whetever PR spin you want to give it, is a more high-end notebook that is offerred with dedicated gfx as an option. The Inspiron 13" is integrated only, as is the MacBook.
PS: the Inspiron even has an ExpressCard slot and a SD card reader. I need those! I hope the next MacBook has them built-in!
Well in that case, maybe you could toss an extra five-hundred bucks my way, since that's how much it costs to get an equally-equipped Apple laptop, and you don't seem to be all too concerned with giving out free money
It does not cost an extra $500 to get an equally equipped MacBook. Show me a laptop with the MacBook's specs for $500.
For the MBP, there are PC alternatives for $500 less, but they are uber ugly, run Windozzzzze, etc.