Odds are that we will be FORCED into buying CS4 for any new workstations we put online in 2009.
If your studio is anything like ours, you'll have to upgrade every machine to be compatible. All the vendors and freelancers are going to have to upgrade together. Adobe does need to fix some things in inDesign (text style eye dropper sampler gets broken and the hide feature issues are particularly annoying) but they are just milking the professionals because we all have to be on the same version in order to work together. What's worse is the whole CS concept. If you do print, flash and web you need the master collection. I've been using all of the apps since version 1 of each and I much preferred upgrading each app as necessary instead of the whole suite.
Totally not paying for this version. I hate it, I think, already. Who that uses InDesign as a serious print/pdf design tool gives a flying eff about flash?
Adobe has lost the touch.
Quark 8 has that feature so inDesign has to also have it.
Rather than complaining about MAC User Interface, just modify CS4 for Mac. They becoming just like another PC software company now. After all those mergers they don't have time or power to create great software like they did with First CS.
How pathetic!! To say the least. No wonder piracy is the way it is.
There's no justification for pirated software. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you want to learn it, either get a student edition or go to a class.
I hope most of you commenting have actually taken the time to review the beta of Photoshop CS4. If not, let me be the first to inform you that it FLIES and has been incredibly stable for a beta product. I've been using Photoshop CS4 almost exclusively since the beta came out - and so far it has crashed only a couple of times, and when it did it was because of a known bug in the beta.
I don't know about you guys - but I can't wait for Photoshop CS4 to come out, 64 bit or not. As far as I am concerned the speed alone is plenty reason for me to upgrade.
Adobe next week will unveil Creative Suite 4 ... upgrade ... expected to be priced at $699
Who in the world is stupid enough to pay to upgrade to this POS at that price?
For me, CS3 doesn't even work. It's buggy, it freezes constantly, it can't remember the locations of palettes and workspaces ... the list is endless. If CS4 fixes the bugs, I might "borrow a copy for testing" but I will never purchase it at that price.
Here's hoping Pixelmator gets up to a more usable level and gives us another option besides black for the UI. If they do that, I and many many others will switch overnight.
"On the Mac," Adobe said, "the main menus are not moving to the Application bar but instead remain at the top of the main monitor."
Now that totally sucks! I have 3x monitors attached to my new MacPro, can't they at least make that an option?? Having to always mouse over to the monitor that has the menu is annoying and counter productive. Apple should have also resolved this issue in OS X long ago, Windows resolved it in XP 8 years ago and now we have to wait and hope that Apple will even acknowledge this to be an issue.
Now that totally sucks! I have 3x monitors attached to my new MacPro, can't they at least make that an option?? Having to always mouse over to the monitor that has the menu is annoying and counter productive. Apple should also resolve this issue in OS X long ago, Windows resolved this with Windows XP and now we have to wait and hope that Apple will even acknowledge this to be an issue.
Three monitors? You would be the exception to the rule. The vast majority of users I know are 2 monitors at max. For them to design for a fraction of 1% of their users probably wouldn't make a lot of sense.
There's no justification for pirated software. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you want to learn it, either get a student edition or go to a class.
I disagree - pirating is a great way to protest against shit software.
And you're working with a PAID version of the software?
There are acutally a number of problems with the software - inDesign crashes on me all the time - and I have a legit copy. Countless bugs to - I had to print a 100 copies of a 20 page document off my MacBook Pro - and inDesign actually spooled the entire document 100 times, one after the other, instead of just sending it once to the rip. I called Adobe - and that was a known issue. The list goes on and on, I'd say Adobe has become almost as bad as Microsoft when it comes to quality of software.
Three monitors? You would be the exception to the rule. The vast majority of users I know are 2 monitors at max. For them to design for a fraction of 1% of their users probably wouldn't make a lot of sense.
Even when I had the two monitors it was an annoyance. My third monitor is a Cintiq, so it's more of an drawing pad than a monitor.
How do you like the Cintiq? Are you using it for illustration work?
With Illustrator I'd rather use a mouse, but with Photoshop and ToonBoom, there is no substitute it kicks ass even if you've never used one before. The only annoying thing on the Mac is when you have to switch screens to access your menu bar, it's not so on the Windows side.
This does look disappointing so far, but we haven't seen the entire suite yet. Give it some time.
As for some of the comments...
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Originally Posted by wheelhot
Lets hope Adobe next CS version will be in Cocoa and it will has a nice and user friendly interface.
It won't, so don't bother getting your hopes up. There's no way Adobe's ever going to rewrite their apps for Cocoa, and the UI will remain as similar as possible between Mac and Windows.
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Originally Posted by jawporta
Doesn't have the same BOOM as CD3 did. Plus, any designer worth their weight in gold uses a Mac, why you would ignore your main audience and skip 64bit support is beyond me. We'll just wait for CS5.
[full AppleInsider article quoted]
Why would you quote the entire article in your reply? Learn to use the internet.
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Originally Posted by zanshin
And people think Apple charges too much for an upgrade to iLife!
They do? I've never heard anyone complain about that, and I can't imagine why they would.
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Originally Posted by bloggerblog
Now that totally sucks! I have 3x monitors attached to my new MacPro, can't they at least make that an option?? Having to always mouse over to the monitor that has the menu is annoying and counter productive.
I'm not sure you understand basic UI design principles (start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitt%27s_law). This is how the Mac works. Why do you need to move menus around? Learn to work on a single "master" display with extra displays used for palettes or reference images, like everyone else does. If you want it to work like Windows, use Windows. Like most Mac users, I'll keep my menus at the top of the main display, where they belong, thankyouverymuch.
An even better way is to not use the software at all, and stay on a previous version. If you pirate CS4, and create content in it, and either distribute those files to output or other users for modification, you are driving the adoption of CS4.
If you want to show Adobe your dis-satisfaction, stay away from CS4 and wait (and hope) for CS5.
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Originally Posted by the cool gut
I disagree - pirating is a great way to protest against shit software.
John Nack has already gone on record that they are going to have to port large parts of Photoshop to Cocoa to get 64 bit support. They acknowledge it will be a huge undertaking, but they see it's worth the effort. The CS5 version of Photoshop will be Cocoa.
This does look disappointing so far, but we haven't seen the entire suite yet. Give it some time.
As for some of the comments...
It won't, so don't bother getting your hopes up. There's no way Adobe's ever going to rewrite their apps for Cocoa, and the UI will remain as similar as possible between Mac and Windows.
Why would you quote the entire article in your reply? Learn to use the internet.
They do? I've never heard anyone complain about that, and I can't imagine why they would.
I'm not sure you understand basic UI design principles (start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitt%27s_law). This is how the Mac works. Why do you need to move menus around? Learn to work on a single "master" display with extra displays used for palettes or reference images, like everyone else does. If you want it to work like Windows, use Windows. Like most Mac users, I'll keep my menus at the top of the main display, where they belong, thankyouverymuch.
Looks like the old braintrust from Macromedia has successfully infected Adobe with their unfocused product strategy.
Illustrator? CS4 should have incorporated the best FreeHand goodies into AI. But instead, they'll go the MM route and let AI languish like FreeHand. Way to go, Adobe.
SKIP
Amen bother! I'm going to have to apply for a job at Adobe myself to kick some people in the ass for not making Illustrator the app it could be. Those of us who use Freehand know how far behind Illustrator has languished. It kills me to see modern apps like Modo actually listen to their users and implement the tools needed.
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Odds are that we will be FORCED into buying CS4 for any new workstations we put online in 2009.
If your studio is anything like ours, you'll have to upgrade every machine to be compatible. All the vendors and freelancers are going to have to upgrade together. Adobe does need to fix some things in inDesign (text style eye dropper sampler gets broken and the hide feature issues are particularly annoying) but they are just milking the professionals because we all have to be on the same version in order to work together. What's worse is the whole CS concept. If you do print, flash and web you need the master collection. I've been using all of the apps since version 1 of each and I much preferred upgrading each app as necessary instead of the whole suite.
Totally not paying for this version. I hate it, I think, already. Who that uses InDesign as a serious print/pdf design tool gives a flying eff about flash?
Adobe has lost the touch.
Quark 8 has that feature so inDesign has to also have it.
Im loosing my hopes with Adobe.
How pathetic!! To say the least. No wonder piracy is the way it is.
There's no justification for pirated software. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you want to learn it, either get a student edition or go to a class.
I don't know about you guys - but I can't wait for Photoshop CS4 to come out, 64 bit or not. As far as I am concerned the speed alone is plenty reason for me to upgrade.
Adobe next week will unveil Creative Suite 4 ... upgrade ... expected to be priced at $699
Who in the world is stupid enough to pay to upgrade to this POS at that price?
For me, CS3 doesn't even work. It's buggy, it freezes constantly, it can't remember the locations of palettes and workspaces ... the list is endless. If CS4 fixes the bugs, I might "borrow a copy for testing" but I will never purchase it at that price.
Here's hoping Pixelmator gets up to a more usable level and gives us another option besides black for the UI. If they do that, I and many many others will switch overnight.
"On the Mac," Adobe said, "the main menus are not moving to the Application bar but instead remain at the top of the main monitor."
Now that totally sucks! I have 3x monitors attached to my new MacPro, can't they at least make that an option?? Having to always mouse over to the monitor that has the menu is annoying and counter productive. Apple should have also resolved this issue in OS X long ago, Windows resolved it in XP 8 years ago and now we have to wait and hope that Apple will even acknowledge this to be an issue.
Who in the world is stupid enough to pay to upgrade to this POS at that price?
For me, CS3 doesn't even work. It's buggy, it freezes constantly, it can't remember the locations of palettes and workspaces ... the list is endless.
And you're working with a PAID version of the software?
Now that totally sucks! I have 3x monitors attached to my new MacPro, can't they at least make that an option?? Having to always mouse over to the monitor that has the menu is annoying and counter productive. Apple should also resolve this issue in OS X long ago, Windows resolved this with Windows XP and now we have to wait and hope that Apple will even acknowledge this to be an issue.
Three monitors? You would be the exception to the rule. The vast majority of users I know are 2 monitors at max. For them to design for a fraction of 1% of their users probably wouldn't make a lot of sense.
There's no justification for pirated software. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you want to learn it, either get a student edition or go to a class.
I disagree - pirating is a great way to protest against shit software.
And you're working with a PAID version of the software?
There are acutally a number of problems with the software - inDesign crashes on me all the time - and I have a legit copy. Countless bugs to - I had to print a 100 copies of a 20 page document off my MacBook Pro - and inDesign actually spooled the entire document 100 times, one after the other, instead of just sending it once to the rip. I called Adobe - and that was a known issue. The list goes on and on, I'd say Adobe has become almost as bad as Microsoft when it comes to quality of software.
Three monitors? You would be the exception to the rule. The vast majority of users I know are 2 monitors at max. For them to design for a fraction of 1% of their users probably wouldn't make a lot of sense.
Even when I had the two monitors it was an annoyance. My third monitor is a Cintiq, so it's more of an drawing pad than a monitor.
Even when I had the two monitors it was an annoyance. My third monitor is a Cintiq, so it's more of an drawing pad than a monitor.
How do you like the Cintiq? Are you using it for illustration work?
How do you like the Cintiq? Are you using it for illustration work?
With Illustrator I'd rather use a mouse, but with Photoshop and ToonBoom, there is no substitute it kicks ass even if you've never used one before. The only annoying thing on the Mac is when you have to switch screens to access your menu bar, it's not so on the Windows side.
As for some of the comments...
Lets hope Adobe next CS version will be in Cocoa and it will has a nice and user friendly interface.
It won't, so don't bother getting your hopes up. There's no way Adobe's ever going to rewrite their apps for Cocoa, and the UI will remain as similar as possible between Mac and Windows.
Doesn't have the same BOOM as CD3 did. Plus, any designer worth their weight in gold uses a Mac, why you would ignore your main audience and skip 64bit support is beyond me. We'll just wait for CS5.
[full AppleInsider article quoted]
Why would you quote the entire article in your reply? Learn to use the internet.
And people think Apple charges too much for an upgrade to iLife!
They do? I've never heard anyone complain about that, and I can't imagine why they would.
Now that totally sucks! I have 3x monitors attached to my new MacPro, can't they at least make that an option?? Having to always mouse over to the monitor that has the menu is annoying and counter productive.
I'm not sure you understand basic UI design principles (start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitt%27s_law). This is how the Mac works. Why do you need to move menus around? Learn to work on a single "master" display with extra displays used for palettes or reference images, like everyone else does. If you want it to work like Windows, use Windows. Like most Mac users, I'll keep my menus at the top of the main display, where they belong, thankyouverymuch.
If you want to show Adobe your dis-satisfaction, stay away from CS4 and wait (and hope) for CS5.
I disagree - pirating is a great way to protest against shit software.
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/04...hop_lr_64.html
This does look disappointing so far, but we haven't seen the entire suite yet. Give it some time.
As for some of the comments...
It won't, so don't bother getting your hopes up. There's no way Adobe's ever going to rewrite their apps for Cocoa, and the UI will remain as similar as possible between Mac and Windows.
Why would you quote the entire article in your reply? Learn to use the internet.
They do? I've never heard anyone complain about that, and I can't imagine why they would.
I'm not sure you understand basic UI design principles (start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitt%27s_law). This is how the Mac works. Why do you need to move menus around? Learn to work on a single "master" display with extra displays used for palettes or reference images, like everyone else does. If you want it to work like Windows, use Windows. Like most Mac users, I'll keep my menus at the top of the main display, where they belong, thankyouverymuch.
Does anyone have the price list for the current suite?
It will be useful to compare CS3 prices (which was a genuine upgrade) with the announcement next week.
At least it has a Mac interface.
Looks like the old braintrust from Macromedia has successfully infected Adobe with their unfocused product strategy.
Illustrator? CS4 should have incorporated the best FreeHand goodies into AI. But instead, they'll go the MM route and let AI languish like FreeHand. Way to go, Adobe.
SKIP
Amen bother! I'm going to have to apply for a job at Adobe myself to kick some people in the ass for not making Illustrator the app it could be. Those of us who use Freehand know how far behind Illustrator has languished. It kills me to see modern apps like Modo actually listen to their users and implement the tools needed.
Lets storm the castle!