After reading your blogs, I can well understand why.
Interesting that you have had nothing respectful to say about Apple and undoubtedly, the only Apple product you have is an iPod Touch which you can't wait to jailbreak.
So you like your Blackberry. Good for you. I don't care, and probably does most of us here.
As I say, to each his own. Like my son, he plays baseball and I, golf. We both have specific gloves that best fits our particular needs. However, my son can't play golf with his catcher's mitt, but I can play baseball with my golf glove. Like my iPhone, great for work and/or play. Guess that is why we both have one.
By the way, battery life is no different for either phone.
Again a clear example of why the iPhone has not been designed with the business user in mind. My BlackBerry spends most of the day on silent (vibration off as is distracting in meetings). I need the red light to tell me when a new message has been delivered. Most business users will spend a large proportion of their time with a phone on silent, Apple should now this, after all there must be some business people who work for Apple.
There is no possible way you own an iPhone. What you said is merely setting away, and permanent if you choose it to be.
"Clear"?
Well it's muddy to you. A clear troll if I ever saw one.
And trust me; I criticize Apple just as much as I praise them, so don't try and argue the fanboy angle with me.
For more serious meetings, i.e. with clients you would turn off your phone anyway.
But can you set the iPhone for silent use and still get beeps for new messages anyway? I do not think you could, So not only is your phone beeping away but also ringing when someone calls you.
I can set my iphone to run silent and not vibrate, and when a call comes in, the screen lights up and tells me who is calling.
But I wouldn't have it on or visible in any meeting and god forbid any of my employees that would do so.
I just got my BB Bold this week btw, ... it has a sharper screen than the iPhone,
The screen has the exact same number of dots as the iPhone screen. The only reason it's sharper is because it's a smaller screen, so it has higher dots per inch.
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hello? have you not seen the Mac Pro, with its single super-elegant-sexy tiny blue LED above the power switch?
That light rocks.
It's nice but it's not really blue. It's more white than anything, with maybe a faint blue tinge, it's faintly blue at best in my opinion. The blue LED that's usually associated with electronics is a caustic horribly bright blue, and that's annoying. Unless Apple changed the LED, I have the first gen Mac Pro. In sleep mode, it pulses so slowly that I can't really tell it's pulsing or not.
While we're on the subject, why don't we already have an LED that pulsates when there is a missed item? It's the first thing I noticed missing and unlike other shortcomings, I haven't been able to forgive this one.
I agree on the unforgivable nature of this particular design oversight. I'm constantly unlocking and locking my screen to see if I missed a call. Even with the ringer as loud as it gets and vibrate turned on I still miss calls and don't find out until hours later...
unlike my Motorola V710 which had a missed call (audible) alert and LED.
unlike my Treo 650 which could at least run software in the background (butler) which can notify me every 5 minutes audibly and with a flashing LED of a missed call.
My idea is a solution to getting notified about missed items from apps NOT on the current page.
The little gray dot at the bottom of the home page would turn to a little RED dot with a white ting around it (too small for a #) to indicate any pages that contain notification badges.
I would like to see a better (or simplified) option for Application management/launching. I have over 30 apps spread over 5 home screens. It would be great to have consolidated folders or "Stacks" (or Spotlight? imagine that). One for Games, Readers, Music, Productivity, etc.
We definitely need folders. I also have apps spread throughout four screens. I hate to think how that's going to balloon over time.
Actually what would be amazing is if I swiped up on the home screen, and all the icons and the black background above the dock on home screen moved up out of view and the user (me) was presented with On/Off sliders for Wifi / 3G / Edge etc.
Swipe up, slide (or tap) to change, then hit "home", or "done".
I WANT THIS!!!
I really like your idea! I want this too.... you should submit this in to Apple.
With the 2.1 update, the icons remain in the same place when updated. That's helpful.
What's quicker, a swipe to move to another page, or a press to open a folder? Hmm!
For overall speed, swiping may be technically faster, but since we are wired to categorize and organize I think folders would be functionally faster. I think that Apple will have to add this, or some other organizational method, as it will want to make the searching and using for apps easier so the customer will not be turned off to purchasing more. Right now, i have 4 pages and I don't want 5. Unlike copy/paste, I can see no technical barriers that would make this addition difficult to add.
For overall speed, swiping may be technically faster, but since we are wired to categorize and organize I think folders would be functionally faster. I think that Apple will have to add this, or some other organizational method, as it will want to make the searching and using for apps easier so the customer will not be turned off to purchasing more. Right now, i have 4 pages and I don't want 5. Unlike copy/paste, I can see no technical barriers that would make this addition difficult to add.
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Yep. I want a "Games" folder for instance. As well as others. Not only will it be faster, but also much more organized.
Well, I was just musing, as I mentioned I would like folders as well. Every time I add another program, and I recently added Air Sharing, which everyone here should pick up before they start charging for it, I think about how nice it would be if I could have folders, the way my Palm phone let me organize by category. Though, with the Palm, it could get confusing if you had several of those, as you could get into a situation where you got a bit lost in the screens.
There is no possible way you own an iPhone. What you said is merely setting away, and permanent if you choose it to be.
"Clear"?
Well it's muddy to you. A clear troll if I ever saw one.
And trust me; I criticize Apple just as much as I praise them, so don't try and argue the fanboy angle with me.
Ireland, here is a tip. Read the posts first if you want to comment, otherwise leave you accusations of trolling at home.
I was only suggesting that the iPhone would be better with an LED to inform people of messages, this is not a feature that is "merely a setting away". I was responding to someone who suggested that it is better to have the audible tone informing the user of a new message and my my question was asking whether you can have the iPhone on silent and still get message tones?
Does your response thus denote that this is indeed possible?
Stop being a tool and read comments before slating the people that write them.
You can apologise if you want.
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After reading your blogs, I can well understand why.
Interesting that you have had nothing respectful to say about Apple and undoubtedly, the only Apple product you have is an iPod Touch which you can't wait to jailbreak.
So you like your Blackberry. Good for you. I don't care, and probably does most of us here.
As I say, to each his own. Like my son, he plays baseball and I, golf. We both have specific gloves that best fits our particular needs. However, my son can't play golf with his catcher's mitt, but I can play baseball with my golf glove. Like my iPhone, great for work and/or play. Guess that is why we both have one.
By the way, battery life is no different for either phone.
What blogs are you talking about? Are you strange?
"Interesting that I have nothing respectful to say about Apple"? What? Have I said something disrespectful about Apple? What I said the BlackBerry is better than the iPhone and I have gone and hurt your feelings?
Jesus Christ, so much flaming over a comment that I do not even think was remotely anti-Apple. Are you people all mad???
For your information I Own a Mac Book Pro, My wife owns a MacBook, Until recently my media center was a Mac Mini (it died), I have an AppleTV (hacked of course), Countless iPods, a Airport Extreme, an Airport Express and yes, last week I bought myself an new 32GB iPod touch.
mmm.... yes you are right, I hate Apple.
The only reason why I have no iPhone is because it is not a device that i can use for business, plain and simple. I am employed in the communications industry, I sell business class applications that run on cellphones, BlackBerry and Windows mobile. As the Apple fan of the company I would love to see iPhone considered a business phone. But it is not, As Apple do not want it to be seemingly. Just like they do not want mobile me to become a success either.
I am currently trialing mobile me but as I cannot get my emails on my BB via POP or IMAP then I will not be continuing which is a shame as I love my address. But this is Apple all over, short sighted. Why should I not be able to read my me.com emails on my mobile phone if it is not an iPhone? Crazy. It means I stay with GMail and keep my money in my pocket.
I take it in your mind loving Apple must mean hating everything else? ?
But I wouldn't have it on or visible in any meeting and god forbid any of my employees that would do so.
Good for you. Although I spend most of my days in meetings with clients and partners and believe me, BlackBerry's on the table, little red lights flashing away is very much the norm.
Enterprise communications have come a long way over the last 2 years, Honestly Apple is nowhere near it yet. It is not anti-Apple to say so either, It is just the facts. You should see some of stuff I can with my phone, my outlook diary linked into my voicemail so people are told when I am in a meeting, out of the office, or on holiday and what time I will be back! Voicemail's delivered to my BlackBerry inbox, a feature that pre-dates "visual voicemail" by years but gives the same functionality and the list goes on and on.
I wish the iPhone was as capable as the BlackBerry or Windows mobile but it simply is not, there is no need to take offence at that. Honestly, Developers cannot even start looking at the iPhone yet as it does not support an application running in the background, let alone all the hoops involved with the App Store. All I am saying is there is still lots of work for Apple to do yet, don't jump down my throat because of it.
Good for you. Although I spend most of my days in meetings with clients and partners and believe me, BlackBerry's on the table, little red lights flashing away is very much the norm.
Enterprise communications have come a long way over the last 2 years, Honestly Apple is nowhere near it yet. It is not anti-Apple to say so either, It is just the facts. You should see some of stuff I can with my phone, my outlook diary linked into my voicemail so people are told when I am in a meeting, out of the office, or on holiday and what time I will be back! Voicemail's delivered to my BlackBerry inbox, a feature that pre-dates "visual voicemail" by years but gives the same functionality and the list goes on and on.
I wish the iPhone was as capable as the BlackBerry or Windows mobile but it simply is not, there is no need to take offence at that. Honestly, Developers cannot even start looking at the iPhone yet as it does not support an application running in the background, let alone all the hoops involved with the App Store. All I am saying is there is still lots of work for Apple to do yet, don't jump down my throat because of it.
I believe the situation with Apple vs the iPhone, is that Apple intended it as a consumer device at first.
But corporations began to use it. I do believe it when Jobs said that third, or half of the Fortune 500 was working with the phone to try it out.
That's why they upped the business features recently. But while that's enough for a number of businesses, it's not enough for all. We'll just have to see what the second business act from Apple is. Since they finally do seem interested in enterprise customers for the iPhone, unlike, it still seems, for the computer lines, they are likely working on it. But, it's something they probably couldn't do all at once.
We have seen some major business software companies come out with products for the phone, so it could just be a matter of time.
I believe the situation with Apple vs the iPhone, is that Apple intended it as a consumer device at first.
But corporations began to use it. I do believe it when Jobs said that third, or half of the Fortune 500 was working with the phone to try it out.
That's why they upped the business features recently. But while that's enough for a number of businesses, it's not enough for all. We'll just have to see what the second business act from Apple is. Since they finally do seem interested in enterprise customers for the iPhone, unlike, it still seems, for the computer lines, they are likely working on it. But, it's something they probably couldn't do all at once.
We have seen some major business software companies come out with products for the phone, so it could just be a matter of time.
You're are spot on, I am sure it will happen one day, and believe me I would not be happier to see it. In fact the minute that Apple show any kind of serious move into business land I probably will want to go and work for them.
I do sometimes have doubts though about their ability to give the market what it needs, they do seem to be sailing their own path at the moment across nearly their entire product range. Like the example I gave with Mobile Me, i am really annoyed with that at the moment, I really do want it but like I said I cannot get the email on my BB, despite the fact I can on my Mac, my iPod and on my work windows PC, it is useless to me unless I can get it on my phone. I am now wondering whether I pay my years subscription to keep my email address safe but not use it and hope they bring out IMAP support at some time, I should not have to be thinking about that it should be there already, I mean did someone at Apple decide they did not want Mobile Me to be huge success or do they really think that people are going to switch to iPhone just because of Mobile Me? How many people in this word use the phone they are given by work and have no choice in that? Millions is the answer.
I just do not understand Apple's logic sometimes, they can make the strangest decisions with regard to products. Look at the huge success that the Netbook's have had this year, Apple have missed the boat completely on that and have no doubt lost notebook marketshare because of it. This is despite the fact many of us knew that this was going to be a huge area for notebook sales and were asking for a netbook mac over a year ago.
But anyway, back to business. I think you are right and I hope you are right but it seems to me that there is going to have to be changes within Apple for this to happen.
You're are spot on, I am sure it will happen one day, and believe me I would not be happier to see it. In fact the minute that Apple show any kind of serious move into business land I probably will want to go and work for them.
I do sometimes have doubts though about their ability to give the market what it needs, they do seem to be sailing their own path at the moment across nearly their entire product range. Like the example I gave with Mobile Me, i am really annoyed with that at the moment, I really do want it but like I said I cannot get the email on my BB, despite the fact I can on my Mac, my iPod and on my work windows PC, it is useless to me unless I can get it on my phone. I am now wondering whether I pay my years subscription to keep my email address safe but not use it and hope they bring out IMAP support at some time, I should not have to be thinking about that it should be there already, I mean did someone at Apple decide they did not want Mobile Me to be huge success or do they really think that people are going to switch to iPhone just because of Mobile Me? How many people in this word use the phone they are given by work and have no choice in that? Millions is the answer.
I just do not understand Apple's logic sometimes, they can make the strangest decisions with regard to products. Look at the huge success that the Netbook's have had this year, Apple have missed the boat completely on that and have no doubt lost notebook marketshare because of it. This is despite the fact many of us knew that this was going to be a huge area for notebook sales and were asking for a netbook mac over a year ago.
But anyway, back to business. I think you are right and I hope you are right but it seems to me that there is going to have to be changes within Apple for this to happen.
Those are good points, and the truth is, I have no idea!
But, Apple often does move people in a certain direction, and, while it may take a time, people do follow.
We've heard the "what are they thinking" when they first put 3.5" floppies into their machines, and later with CD players in their machines. We heard it again when they went to CD recorders. We heard it when they dropped the floppy. Same with the all in one.
I can think of quite a number of things that people were scratching their heads over.
Remember that many people with business phones don't use them for personal calls. My wife got a Blackberry from CitiGroup, but she now uses an iPhone for her own things.
If Apple wants Mobile Me to work only with the iPhone, that's fine. It's certainly not a business service.
People on these forums from Europe don't understand why we only want one phone anyway. They think it's weird to not have a different phone for different uses. So this can be looked at in many ways.
As far as netbooks go, well, I don't know about that. Apple also doesn't like to jump into a new product category. They like to observe and study it first. There are rumors about Jobs doing the "one more thing" at the Oct 14 event where he's hopefully showing the new laptops with a "brick". whatever that may be.
Also look to the laptop numbers. Apple went from 6.6% to 10.6% in the US in a year. No other maker even came close, and some went down.
I was only suggesting that the iPhone would be better with an LED to inform people of messages, this is not a feature that is "merely a setting away". I was responding to someone who suggested that it is better to have the audible tone informing the user of a new message and my 1. …my question was asking whether you can have the iPhone on silent and still get message tones?
The only reason why I have no iPhone is because it is not a device that i can use for business, plain and simple. I am employed in the communications industry, 2. I sell business class applications that run on cellphones, BlackBerry and Windows mobile.3As the Apple fan of the company I would love to see iPhone considered a business phone. But it is not, As Apple do not want it to be seemingly. Just like they do not want mobile me to become a success either.
I am currently trialing mobile me but as I cannot get my emails on my BB via POP or IMAP then I will not be continuing which is a shame as I love my address. But this is Apple all over, short sighted. 4. Why should I not be able to read my me.com emails on my mobile phone if it is not an iPhone? Crazy. It means I stay with GMail and keep my money in my pocket.
BlackBerry it has to be said nailed it with the flashing red LED, it stays flashing for long enough to alert you to new messages but does not flash forever, 5.not sure how long actually but maybe 10-20 seconds.
1. Any phone set on SILENT and still gives message tones is not on silent.
5. My understanding is that the notification light stays on for 10-15 minutes. It would seem obvious that one that did point '2' would know that, or at least be closer.
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My BlackBerry spends most of the day on silent?
After reading your blogs, I can well understand why.
Interesting that you have had nothing respectful to say about Apple and undoubtedly, the only Apple product you have is an iPod Touch which you can't wait to jailbreak.
So you like your Blackberry. Good for you. I don't care, and probably does most of us here.
As I say, to each his own. Like my son, he plays baseball and I, golf. We both have specific gloves that best fits our particular needs. However, my son can't play golf with his catcher's mitt, but I can play baseball with my golf glove. Like my iPhone, great for work and/or play. Guess that is why we both have one.
By the way, battery life is no different for either phone.
Again a clear example of why the iPhone has not been designed with the business user in mind. My BlackBerry spends most of the day on silent (vibration off as is distracting in meetings). I need the red light to tell me when a new message has been delivered. Most business users will spend a large proportion of their time with a phone on silent, Apple should now this, after all there must be some business people who work for Apple.
There is no possible way you own an iPhone. What you said is merely setting away, and permanent if you choose it to be.
"Clear"?
Well it's muddy to you. A clear troll if I ever saw one.
And trust me; I criticize Apple just as much as I praise them, so don't try and argue the fanboy angle with me.
For more serious meetings, i.e. with clients you would turn off your phone anyway.
But can you set the iPhone for silent use and still get beeps for new messages anyway? I do not think you could, So not only is your phone beeping away but also ringing when someone calls you.
I can set my iphone to run silent and not vibrate, and when a call comes in, the screen lights up and tells me who is calling.
But I wouldn't have it on or visible in any meeting and god forbid any of my employees that would do so.
I just got my BB Bold this week btw, ... it has a sharper screen than the iPhone,
The screen has the exact same number of dots as the iPhone screen. The only reason it's sharper is because it's a smaller screen, so it has higher dots per inch.
hello? have you not seen the Mac Pro, with its single super-elegant-sexy tiny blue LED above the power switch?
That light rocks.
It's nice but it's not really blue. It's more white than anything, with maybe a faint blue tinge, it's faintly blue at best in my opinion. The blue LED that's usually associated with electronics is a caustic horribly bright blue, and that's annoying. Unless Apple changed the LED, I have the first gen Mac Pro. In sleep mode, it pulses so slowly that I can't really tell it's pulsing or not.
While we're on the subject, why don't we already have an LED that pulsates when there is a missed item? It's the first thing I noticed missing and unlike other shortcomings, I haven't been able to forgive this one.
I agree on the unforgivable nature of this particular design oversight. I'm constantly unlocking and locking my screen to see if I missed a call. Even with the ringer as loud as it gets and vibrate turned on I still miss calls and don't find out until hours later...
unlike my Motorola V710 which had a missed call (audible) alert and LED.
unlike my Treo 650 which could at least run software in the background (butler) which can notify me every 5 minutes audibly and with a flashing LED of a missed call.
My idea is a solution to getting notified about missed items from apps NOT on the current page.
The little gray dot at the bottom of the home page would turn to a little RED dot with a white ting around it (too small for a #) to indicate any pages that contain notification badges.
I like that idea.
I would like to see a better (or simplified) option for Application management/launching. I have over 30 apps spread over 5 home screens. It would be great to have consolidated folders or "Stacks" (or Spotlight? imagine that). One for Games, Readers, Music, Productivity, etc.
We definitely need folders. I also have apps spread throughout four screens. I hate to think how that's going to balloon over time.
It doesn't even have to be a separate LED. They could make the Home button itself light up.
Great idea. I like the tiny white light that goes in and out slowly on my MBP.
Personally I think the iPhone needs a notification light somewhere on the phone. A nice electric blue small dot sized light would suffice.
We definitely need folders. I also have apps spread throughout four screens. I hate to think how that's going to balloon over time.
Love this idea. I've been saying this for awhile. I have my stuff sorted thru 4 screens but its a pain in the butt.
Actually what would be amazing is if I swiped up on the home screen, and all the icons and the black background above the dock on home screen moved up out of view and the user (me) was presented with On/Off sliders for Wifi / 3G / Edge etc.
Swipe up, slide (or tap) to change, then hit "home", or "done".
I WANT THIS!!!
I really like your idea! I want this too.... you should submit this in to Apple.
Love this idea. I've been saying this for awhile. I have my stuff sorted thru 4 screens but its a pain in the butt.
With the 2.1 update, the icons remain in the same place when updated. That's helpful.
What's quicker, a swipe to move to another page, or a press to open a folder? Hmm!
With the 2.1 update, the icons remain in the same place when updated. That's helpful.
What's quicker, a swipe to move to another page, or a press to open a folder? Hmm!
For overall speed, swiping may be technically faster, but since we are wired to categorize and organize I think folders would be functionally faster. I think that Apple will have to add this, or some other organizational method, as it will want to make the searching and using for apps easier so the customer will not be turned off to purchasing more. Right now, i have 4 pages and I don't want 5. Unlike copy/paste, I can see no technical barriers that would make this addition difficult to add.
With the 2.1 update, the icons remain in the same place when updated. That's helpful.
What's quicker, a swipe to move to another page, or a press to open a folder? Hmm!
Yep. I want a "Games" folder for instance. As well as others. Not only will it be faster, but also much more organized.
For overall speed, swiping may be technically faster, but since we are wired to categorize and organize I think folders would be functionally faster. I think that Apple will have to add this, or some other organizational method, as it will want to make the searching and using for apps easier so the customer will not be turned off to purchasing more. Right now, i have 4 pages and I don't want 5. Unlike copy/paste, I can see no technical barriers that would make this addition difficult to add.
Yep. I want a "Games" folder for instance. As well as others. Not only will it be faster, but also much more organized.
Well, I was just musing, as I mentioned I would like folders as well. Every time I add another program, and I recently added Air Sharing, which everyone here should pick up before they start charging for it, I think about how nice it would be if I could have folders, the way my Palm phone let me organize by category. Though, with the Palm, it could get confusing if you had several of those, as you could get into a situation where you got a bit lost in the screens.
There is no possible way you own an iPhone. What you said is merely setting away, and permanent if you choose it to be.
"Clear"?
Well it's muddy to you. A clear troll if I ever saw one.
And trust me; I criticize Apple just as much as I praise them, so don't try and argue the fanboy angle with me.
Ireland, here is a tip. Read the posts first if you want to comment, otherwise leave you accusations of trolling at home.
I was only suggesting that the iPhone would be better with an LED to inform people of messages, this is not a feature that is "merely a setting away". I was responding to someone who suggested that it is better to have the audible tone informing the user of a new message and my my question was asking whether you can have the iPhone on silent and still get message tones?
Does your response thus denote that this is indeed possible?
Stop being a tool and read comments before slating the people that write them.
You can apologise if you want.
After reading your blogs, I can well understand why.
Interesting that you have had nothing respectful to say about Apple and undoubtedly, the only Apple product you have is an iPod Touch which you can't wait to jailbreak.
So you like your Blackberry. Good for you. I don't care, and probably does most of us here.
As I say, to each his own. Like my son, he plays baseball and I, golf. We both have specific gloves that best fits our particular needs. However, my son can't play golf with his catcher's mitt, but I can play baseball with my golf glove. Like my iPhone, great for work and/or play. Guess that is why we both have one.
By the way, battery life is no different for either phone.
What blogs are you talking about? Are you strange?
"Interesting that I have nothing respectful to say about Apple"? What? Have I said something disrespectful about Apple? What I said the BlackBerry is better than the iPhone and I have gone and hurt your feelings?
Jesus Christ, so much flaming over a comment that I do not even think was remotely anti-Apple. Are you people all mad???
For your information I Own a Mac Book Pro, My wife owns a MacBook, Until recently my media center was a Mac Mini (it died), I have an AppleTV (hacked of course), Countless iPods, a Airport Extreme, an Airport Express and yes, last week I bought myself an new 32GB iPod touch.
mmm.... yes you are right, I hate Apple.
The only reason why I have no iPhone is because it is not a device that i can use for business, plain and simple. I am employed in the communications industry, I sell business class applications that run on cellphones, BlackBerry and Windows mobile. As the Apple fan of the company I would love to see iPhone considered a business phone. But it is not, As Apple do not want it to be seemingly. Just like they do not want mobile me to become a success either.
I am currently trialing mobile me but as I cannot get my emails on my BB via POP or IMAP then I will not be continuing which is a shame as I love my address. But this is Apple all over, short sighted. Why should I not be able to read my me.com emails on my mobile phone if it is not an iPhone? Crazy. It means I stay with GMail and keep my money in my pocket.
I take it in your mind loving Apple must mean hating everything else? ?
Nice one.
But I wouldn't have it on or visible in any meeting and god forbid any of my employees that would do so.
Good for you. Although I spend most of my days in meetings with clients and partners and believe me, BlackBerry's on the table, little red lights flashing away is very much the norm.
Enterprise communications have come a long way over the last 2 years, Honestly Apple is nowhere near it yet. It is not anti-Apple to say so either, It is just the facts. You should see some of stuff I can with my phone, my outlook diary linked into my voicemail so people are told when I am in a meeting, out of the office, or on holiday and what time I will be back! Voicemail's delivered to my BlackBerry inbox, a feature that pre-dates "visual voicemail" by years but gives the same functionality and the list goes on and on.
I wish the iPhone was as capable as the BlackBerry or Windows mobile but it simply is not, there is no need to take offence at that. Honestly, Developers cannot even start looking at the iPhone yet as it does not support an application running in the background, let alone all the hoops involved with the App Store. All I am saying is there is still lots of work for Apple to do yet, don't jump down my throat because of it.
Good for you. Although I spend most of my days in meetings with clients and partners and believe me, BlackBerry's on the table, little red lights flashing away is very much the norm.
Enterprise communications have come a long way over the last 2 years, Honestly Apple is nowhere near it yet. It is not anti-Apple to say so either, It is just the facts. You should see some of stuff I can with my phone, my outlook diary linked into my voicemail so people are told when I am in a meeting, out of the office, or on holiday and what time I will be back! Voicemail's delivered to my BlackBerry inbox, a feature that pre-dates "visual voicemail" by years but gives the same functionality and the list goes on and on.
I wish the iPhone was as capable as the BlackBerry or Windows mobile but it simply is not, there is no need to take offence at that. Honestly, Developers cannot even start looking at the iPhone yet as it does not support an application running in the background, let alone all the hoops involved with the App Store. All I am saying is there is still lots of work for Apple to do yet, don't jump down my throat because of it.
I believe the situation with Apple vs the iPhone, is that Apple intended it as a consumer device at first.
But corporations began to use it. I do believe it when Jobs said that third, or half of the Fortune 500 was working with the phone to try it out.
That's why they upped the business features recently. But while that's enough for a number of businesses, it's not enough for all. We'll just have to see what the second business act from Apple is. Since they finally do seem interested in enterprise customers for the iPhone, unlike, it still seems, for the computer lines, they are likely working on it. But, it's something they probably couldn't do all at once.
We have seen some major business software companies come out with products for the phone, so it could just be a matter of time.
I believe the situation with Apple vs the iPhone, is that Apple intended it as a consumer device at first.
But corporations began to use it. I do believe it when Jobs said that third, or half of the Fortune 500 was working with the phone to try it out.
That's why they upped the business features recently. But while that's enough for a number of businesses, it's not enough for all. We'll just have to see what the second business act from Apple is. Since they finally do seem interested in enterprise customers for the iPhone, unlike, it still seems, for the computer lines, they are likely working on it. But, it's something they probably couldn't do all at once.
We have seen some major business software companies come out with products for the phone, so it could just be a matter of time.
You're are spot on, I am sure it will happen one day, and believe me I would not be happier to see it. In fact the minute that Apple show any kind of serious move into business land I probably will want to go and work for them.
I do sometimes have doubts though about their ability to give the market what it needs, they do seem to be sailing their own path at the moment across nearly their entire product range. Like the example I gave with Mobile Me, i am really annoyed with that at the moment, I really do want it but like I said I cannot get the email on my BB, despite the fact I can on my Mac, my iPod and on my work windows PC, it is useless to me unless I can get it on my phone. I am now wondering whether I pay my years subscription to keep my email address safe but not use it and hope they bring out IMAP support at some time, I should not have to be thinking about that it should be there already, I mean did someone at Apple decide they did not want Mobile Me to be huge success or do they really think that people are going to switch to iPhone just because of Mobile Me? How many people in this word use the phone they are given by work and have no choice in that? Millions is the answer.
I just do not understand Apple's logic sometimes, they can make the strangest decisions with regard to products. Look at the huge success that the Netbook's have had this year, Apple have missed the boat completely on that and have no doubt lost notebook marketshare because of it. This is despite the fact many of us knew that this was going to be a huge area for notebook sales and were asking for a netbook mac over a year ago.
But anyway, back to business. I think you are right and I hope you are right but it seems to me that there is going to have to be changes within Apple for this to happen.
You're are spot on, I am sure it will happen one day, and believe me I would not be happier to see it. In fact the minute that Apple show any kind of serious move into business land I probably will want to go and work for them.
I do sometimes have doubts though about their ability to give the market what it needs, they do seem to be sailing their own path at the moment across nearly their entire product range. Like the example I gave with Mobile Me, i am really annoyed with that at the moment, I really do want it but like I said I cannot get the email on my BB, despite the fact I can on my Mac, my iPod and on my work windows PC, it is useless to me unless I can get it on my phone. I am now wondering whether I pay my years subscription to keep my email address safe but not use it and hope they bring out IMAP support at some time, I should not have to be thinking about that it should be there already, I mean did someone at Apple decide they did not want Mobile Me to be huge success or do they really think that people are going to switch to iPhone just because of Mobile Me? How many people in this word use the phone they are given by work and have no choice in that? Millions is the answer.
I just do not understand Apple's logic sometimes, they can make the strangest decisions with regard to products. Look at the huge success that the Netbook's have had this year, Apple have missed the boat completely on that and have no doubt lost notebook marketshare because of it. This is despite the fact many of us knew that this was going to be a huge area for notebook sales and were asking for a netbook mac over a year ago.
But anyway, back to business. I think you are right and I hope you are right but it seems to me that there is going to have to be changes within Apple for this to happen.
Those are good points, and the truth is, I have no idea!
But, Apple often does move people in a certain direction, and, while it may take a time, people do follow.
We've heard the "what are they thinking" when they first put 3.5" floppies into their machines, and later with CD players in their machines. We heard it again when they went to CD recorders. We heard it when they dropped the floppy. Same with the all in one.
I can think of quite a number of things that people were scratching their heads over.
Remember that many people with business phones don't use them for personal calls. My wife got a Blackberry from CitiGroup, but she now uses an iPhone for her own things.
If Apple wants Mobile Me to work only with the iPhone, that's fine. It's certainly not a business service.
People on these forums from Europe don't understand why we only want one phone anyway. They think it's weird to not have a different phone for different uses. So this can be looked at in many ways.
As far as netbooks go, well, I don't know about that. Apple also doesn't like to jump into a new product category. They like to observe and study it first. There are rumors about Jobs doing the "one more thing" at the Oct 14 event where he's hopefully showing the new laptops with a "brick". whatever that may be.
Also look to the laptop numbers. Apple went from 6.6% to 10.6% in the US in a year. No other maker even came close, and some went down.
http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...are-in-laptops
I was only suggesting that the iPhone would be better with an LED to inform people of messages, this is not a feature that is "merely a setting away". I was responding to someone who suggested that it is better to have the audible tone informing the user of a new message and my 1. …my question was asking whether you can have the iPhone on silent and still get message tones?
The only reason why I have no iPhone is because it is not a device that i can use for business, plain and simple. I am employed in the communications industry, 2. I sell business class applications that run on cellphones, BlackBerry and Windows mobile. 3As the Apple fan of the company I would love to see iPhone considered a business phone. But it is not, As Apple do not want it to be seemingly. Just like they do not want mobile me to become a success either.
I am currently trialing mobile me but as I cannot get my emails on my BB via POP or IMAP then I will not be continuing which is a shame as I love my address. But this is Apple all over, short sighted. 4. Why should I not be able to read my me.com emails on my mobile phone if it is not an iPhone? Crazy. It means I stay with GMail and keep my money in my pocket.
BlackBerry it has to be said nailed it with the flashing red LED, it stays flashing for long enough to alert you to new messages but does not flash forever, 5.not sure how long actually but maybe 10-20 seconds.
1. Any phone set on SILENT and still gives message tones is not on silent.
2. That explains a lot.
3. How did you come to that conclusion?
4. A lot of other people are, e.g., http://www.blackberryforums.com/mac-...-mail-app.html
5. My understanding is that the notification light stays on for 10-15 minutes. It would seem obvious that one that did point '2' would know that, or at least be closer.
P.S. Others quite qualified believe that the iPhone is Business ready, e.g., Deploying the iPhone 3G for business, Part 1 (http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9110882), Part 2 (http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/..._part_2_1.html and Part 2 to come.