Just exactly how many subscription users do you think RIM has anyway?
Well, for starters, every single Government employee or military contractor that has a PDA. And if you're unfamiliar with how they do those contracts there's no chance in h#ll RIM is going to lose that contract any time in the forseeable future (despite the fact that it's a Canadian company). Combine that with the fact that they sold over 14 million phones during fiscal 2008 I'd say their user base is, at least, 20 million+ (I'd guess much closer to 25).
Apple may soon out sell them but there are literally millions of people who were already part of the user-base (iPhone 2G) that bought an iPhone 3G. I really don't see Apple's iPhone sales peaking again until they release an updated model and considering they already have the fastest chip in there for most of the people who are buying what's going to pull them back onto the market?
Are they going to drop the price? Double the storage (that only works to a point), what's the next big thing that's going to get the masses to upgrade from a 3G to the next model. RIM worries less about this since they have millions on contract who are going to upgrade to another RIM product just because of the contract.
Wow, the Android isn't planning to compete against the iPhone. It's a Windows Mobile/BlackBerry competitor designed around a concept of constant connection to the internet -- i.e. Google services. If they had wanted to compete with the iPhone, they would have had a good music and video player that synced with the computer. Instead, they chose to offer a business-type phone that will appeal to people who prefer to use all open-source software.
It's probably the smart move. The iPhone helps Google (I know I use Google on my iPhone a *lot*), so Google goes after a different segment of the smart phone market. It makes sense, but it wasn't what I was expecting.
Well, for starters, every single Government employee or military contractor that has a PDA. And if you're unfamiliar with how they do those contracts there's no chance in h#ll RIM is going to lose that contract any time in the forseeable future (despite the fact that it's a Canadian company). Combine that with the fact that they sold over 14 million phones during fiscal 2008 I'd say their user base is, at least, 20 million+ (I'd guess much closer to 25).
Apple may soon out sell them but there are literally millions of people who were already part of the user-base (iPhone 2G) that bought an iPhone 3G. I really don't see Apple's iPhone sales peaking again until they release an updated model and considering they already have the fastest chip in there for most of the people who are buying what's going to pull them back onto the market?
Are they going to drop the price? Double the storage (that only works to a point), what's the next big thing that's going to get the masses to upgrade from a 3G to the next model. RIM worries less about this since they have millions on contract who are going to upgrade to another RIM product just because of the contract.
You have absolutly no clue.
If you really want to know, just consult the Rim reports.
(hint:it's less than you think based on what you say you think)
I used to get over 40mpg on the highway with my 90 civic and here we are today and the brand new civic is listed at 34mpg (http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/hond...chlanding.html) - wth?!?! it's 18 years later and the fuel economy has actually become WORSE?!?!
Anyway - aside from searching in Safari what would you be searching for? (I really am curious, I can't think of any application other than that).
First of all, bad analogy.
Cars--totally different situation. Worsening mileage is mainly caused by increased weight, driven by increased size (today's Civic is bigger than a '90 Accord), safety requirements, increased equipment levels, and increased power. Also, EPA mileage standards have been recently revised to attempt to more closely represent real world mileage, which means the same car will get lower MPG ratings on today's EPA mileage tests than in 1990.
Second, you're totally missing the point of search. You CAN already search in Safari/internet-- Google works fine for that. What I'm talking about is to be able to search across the personal information on your handheld. For example, I have about 2,000 contacts in my address book, with all sorts of information, besides basic address info, such as projects being worked, company, kids names, etc. It's very handy to be able to search across the database, not just on a name as is currently the case. How about if you want to do a quick search on your calendar to see when a meeting is taking place? How about your notes? I track all sorts of personal information, and it's nice to be able to actually find that on the go. Have you ever used Spotlight to find something on your Mac? I want the same capability on my iPhone.
If you don't like it dont use it. Have you seen the flood of gimmicky apps for the iPhone. I'd love to see this in the iPhone.
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Originally Posted by mrjoec123
Really? Seems like a silly gimmick to me. What's the big deal about swinging around and having the street view move with me? It's actually easier to use your hands to swing around at that point. Especially if I'm looking at the map while I'm walking forward, as I often do when I'm trying to find a place. Why would I want to stop and turn around?
Now street view in general would be a nice addition to the iPhone. And the accelerometer already in every iPhone would make the compass feature very easy to implement. But I don't care if they actually do.
Keep in mind, not all Android phones are going to have an accelerometer. Or a touch screen, for that matter. The hardware will vary from device to device.
No accelerometer, then no street view. Simple as that.
Good, so now the consumer that stiil is on the fence about the iPhone will decide between an Android Gooaphone, Blackberry or an iPhone? The rest of them can kiss their asses goodbye.
The iPhone believe it or not is only in it?s infancy ( 1year?)it will develop into a staple that everyone can build (customize) to fit their fancy or need,just by downloading their software of choice. The iphone developer kit is OSX which is solid and proven and has a massive happy developer base. The iPhone will reign supreme for at least the next 4 years and will become as ubiquitous as the walkman the iPod etc?
That is exactly right. It is funny that everytime I point that out I get a mob of haters telling me that I "drink the Jobs coolaid", or "apple fanboi", etc, etc... fanboi is when you like something blindly and foolishly. The iPhone really IS 5 years ahead of everybody else so there is nothing blindly or foolish about it. It WILL WTFPWN Blackberry in time. Android, I think, will be another "eternally beta" Google product that people will buy only because it says "google" and then throw it away.
Wow, the Android isn't planning to compete against the iPhone. It's a Windows Mobile/BlackBerry competitor designed around a concept of constant connection to the internet -- i.e. Google services. If they had wanted to compete with the iPhone, they would have had a good music and video player that synced with the computer. Instead, they chose to offer a business-type phone that will appeal to people who prefer to use all open-source software.
It's probably the smart move. The iPhone helps Google (I know I use Google on my iPhone a *lot*), so Google goes after a different segment of the smart phone market. It makes sense, but it wasn't what I was expecting.
And what market segment would that be? The people who are willing to pay $179 dollars but no way to pay $199 dollars for a phone because they don't want it to play music?
And what market segment would that be? The people who are willing to pay $179 dollars but no way to pay $199 dollars for a phone because they don't want it to play music?
Haha ... You're right, of course. I never said that I thought it would do well. I expect the people who buy it will mostly be open computer advocates (techocrats and such). Still, it's nice to have more variety in the market.
Haha ... You're right, of course. I never said that I thought it would do well. I expect the people who buy it will mostly be open computer advocates (techocrats and such). Still, it's nice to have more variety in the market.
Well, for starters, every single Government employee or military contractor that has a PDA. And if you're unfamiliar with how they do those contracts there's no chance in h#ll RIM is going to lose that contract any time in the forseeable future (despite the fact that it's a Canadian company). Combine that with the fact that they sold over 14 million phones during fiscal 2008 I'd say their user base is, at least, 20 million+ (I'd guess much closer to 25).
Apple may soon out sell them but there are literally millions of people who were already part of the user-base (iPhone 2G) that bought an iPhone 3G. I really don't see Apple's iPhone sales peaking again until they release an updated model and considering they already have the fastest chip in there for most of the people who are buying what's going to pull them back onto the market?
Are they going to drop the price? Double the storage (that only works to a point), what's the next big thing that's going to get the masses to upgrade from a 3G to the next model. RIM worries less about this since they have millions on contract who are going to upgrade to another RIM product just because of the contract.
Guess we have a better idea now on what's going on with RIM.
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as an open-source OS, I'm sure it will be hacked in no time...
Just look at how fast the iphone hacks were released on a closed OS.
I think the speed at which it is hacked, will be directly a function of how desirable it is.
We will see just how fast it is hacked.
(and what people are willing to pay for it unsubsidized without a scontract)
Just exactly how many subscription users do you think RIM has anyway?
Well, for starters, every single Government employee or military contractor that has a PDA. And if you're unfamiliar with how they do those contracts there's no chance in h#ll RIM is going to lose that contract any time in the forseeable future (despite the fact that it's a Canadian company). Combine that with the fact that they sold over 14 million phones during fiscal 2008 I'd say their user base is, at least, 20 million+ (I'd guess much closer to 25).
Apple may soon out sell them but there are literally millions of people who were already part of the user-base (iPhone 2G) that bought an iPhone 3G. I really don't see Apple's iPhone sales peaking again until they release an updated model and considering they already have the fastest chip in there for most of the people who are buying what's going to pull them back onto the market?
Are they going to drop the price? Double the storage (that only works to a point), what's the next big thing that's going to get the masses to upgrade from a 3G to the next model. RIM worries less about this since they have millions on contract who are going to upgrade to another RIM product just because of the contract.
It's probably the smart move. The iPhone helps Google (I know I use Google on my iPhone a *lot*), so Google goes after a different segment of the smart phone market. It makes sense, but it wasn't what I was expecting.
Well, for starters, every single Government employee or military contractor that has a PDA. And if you're unfamiliar with how they do those contracts there's no chance in h#ll RIM is going to lose that contract any time in the forseeable future (despite the fact that it's a Canadian company). Combine that with the fact that they sold over 14 million phones during fiscal 2008 I'd say their user base is, at least, 20 million+ (I'd guess much closer to 25).
Apple may soon out sell them but there are literally millions of people who were already part of the user-base (iPhone 2G) that bought an iPhone 3G. I really don't see Apple's iPhone sales peaking again until they release an updated model and considering they already have the fastest chip in there for most of the people who are buying what's going to pull them back onto the market?
Are they going to drop the price? Double the storage (that only works to a point), what's the next big thing that's going to get the masses to upgrade from a 3G to the next model. RIM worries less about this since they have millions on contract who are going to upgrade to another RIM product just because of the contract.
You have absolutly no clue.
If you really want to know, just consult the Rim reports.
(hint:it's less than you think based on what you say you think)
You don't have to make stuff up ya'know?
I used to get over 40mpg on the highway with my 90 civic and here we are today and the brand new civic is listed at 34mpg (http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/hond...chlanding.html) - wth?!?! it's 18 years later and the fuel economy has actually become WORSE?!?!
Anyway - aside from searching in Safari what would you be searching for? (I really am curious, I can't think of any application other than that).
First of all, bad analogy.
Cars--totally different situation. Worsening mileage is mainly caused by increased weight, driven by increased size (today's Civic is bigger than a '90 Accord), safety requirements, increased equipment levels, and increased power. Also, EPA mileage standards have been recently revised to attempt to more closely represent real world mileage, which means the same car will get lower MPG ratings on today's EPA mileage tests than in 1990.
Second, you're totally missing the point of search. You CAN already search in Safari/internet-- Google works fine for that. What I'm talking about is to be able to search across the personal information on your handheld. For example, I have about 2,000 contacts in my address book, with all sorts of information, besides basic address info, such as projects being worked, company, kids names, etc. It's very handy to be able to search across the database, not just on a name as is currently the case. How about if you want to do a quick search on your calendar to see when a meeting is taking place? How about your notes? I track all sorts of personal information, and it's nice to be able to actually find that on the go. Have you ever used Spotlight to find something on your Mac? I want the same capability on my iPhone.
Really? Seems like a silly gimmick to me. What's the big deal about swinging around and having the street view move with me? It's actually easier to use your hands to swing around at that point. Especially if I'm looking at the map while I'm walking forward, as I often do when I'm trying to find a place. Why would I want to stop and turn around?
Now street view in general would be a nice addition to the iPhone. And the accelerometer already in every iPhone would make the compass feature very easy to implement. But I don't care if they actually do.
Keep in mind, not all Android phones are going to have an accelerometer. Or a touch screen, for that matter. The hardware will vary from device to device.
No accelerometer, then no street view. Simple as that.
Good, so now the consumer that stiil is on the fence about the iPhone will decide between an Android Gooaphone, Blackberry or an iPhone? The rest of them can kiss their asses goodbye.
The iPhone believe it or not is only in it?s infancy ( 1year?)it will develop into a staple that everyone can build (customize) to fit their fancy or need,just by downloading their software of choice. The iphone developer kit is OSX which is solid and proven and has a massive happy developer base. The iPhone will reign supreme for at least the next 4 years and will become as ubiquitous as the walkman the iPod etc?
That is exactly right. It is funny that everytime I point that out I get a mob of haters telling me that I "drink the Jobs coolaid", or "apple fanboi", etc, etc... fanboi is when you like something blindly and foolishly. The iPhone really IS 5 years ahead of everybody else so there is nothing blindly or foolish about it. It WILL WTFPWN Blackberry in time. Android, I think, will be another "eternally beta" Google product that people will buy only because it says "google" and then throw it away.
Wow, the Android isn't planning to compete against the iPhone. It's a Windows Mobile/BlackBerry competitor designed around a concept of constant connection to the internet -- i.e. Google services. If they had wanted to compete with the iPhone, they would have had a good music and video player that synced with the computer. Instead, they chose to offer a business-type phone that will appeal to people who prefer to use all open-source software.
It's probably the smart move. The iPhone helps Google (I know I use Google on my iPhone a *lot*), so Google goes after a different segment of the smart phone market. It makes sense, but it wasn't what I was expecting.
And what market segment would that be? The people who are willing to pay $179 dollars but no way to pay $199 dollars for a phone because they don't want it to play music?
And what market segment would that be? The people who are willing to pay $179 dollars but no way to pay $199 dollars for a phone because they don't want it to play music?
Haha ... You're right, of course. I never said that I thought it would do well. I expect the people who buy it will mostly be open computer advocates (techocrats and such). Still, it's nice to have more variety in the market.
Haha ... You're right, of course. I never said that I thought it would do well. I expect the people who buy it will mostly be open computer advocates (techocrats and such). Still, it's nice to have more variety in the market.
True.
Originally Posted by bigmc6000
Well, for starters, every single Government employee or military contractor that has a PDA. And if you're unfamiliar with how they do those contracts there's no chance in h#ll RIM is going to lose that contract any time in the forseeable future (despite the fact that it's a Canadian company). Combine that with the fact that they sold over 14 million phones during fiscal 2008 I'd say their user base is, at least, 20 million+ (I'd guess much closer to 25).
Apple may soon out sell them but there are literally millions of people who were already part of the user-base (iPhone 2G) that bought an iPhone 3G. I really don't see Apple's iPhone sales peaking again until they release an updated model and considering they already have the fastest chip in there for most of the people who are buying what's going to pull them back onto the market?
Are they going to drop the price? Double the storage (that only works to a point), what's the next big thing that's going to get the masses to upgrade from a 3G to the next model. RIM worries less about this since they have millions on contract who are going to upgrade to another RIM product just because of the contract.
Guess we have a better idea now on what's going on with RIM.
(OUCH!)