Perhaps we need to start a whole new system. How about we take the official Unix Time that was started 12:00:01 januiary 1st, 1970. This is the age of technology, after all. That would make it the year 0038UT
I like it! I'll be really young and go back to high school! But yeah, much as I use BC/AD, and much as political correctness can be frustrating, when you look at it closer change almost always makes sense. Using BC/AD is arrogant in today's world.
Let's say that God doesn't exist. We are merely the product of Time + Matter + Chance.
If that's the case, then all love, beauty, awe and wonder, deep thoughts, righteousness and indignation -- in short, all things that make us truly human -- are nothing more than electro-chemical responses in our bodies that we perceive as love, beauty, awe, etc. Any feelings of love from your spouse are just brain waves and chemicals and juices -- no more no less.
[And if that's the case, this whole discussion on this Apple forum is ridiculous -- a bunch of ape-creatures getting all uptight over electro-chemical impulses...]
But we know that to not be the case, deep down in our hearts.
If we really were atheistically evolved beings, we would just be purely pragmatic -- eat when we're hungry, find shelter when we're cold, etc. Just like the animals. We wouldn't be capable of recognizing beauty and feeling love.
The spirit within you testifies that you are more than just 'natural'.
I like it! I'll be really young and go back to high school! But yeah, much as I use BC/AD, and much as political correctness can be frustrating, when you look at it closer change almost always makes sense. Using BC/AD is arrogant in today's world.
Possibly but as it's been pointed out that is the absolute only event (Jesus' birth) that happened of historical significance in the time frame so why not call a spade a spade and leave it BC/AD? Calling it BCE/CE is absolutely ridiculous and screams of revisionist history.
By design, the body was intend to pro-create. That is it's intend purpose. Anything else is a perversion. If you want to destroy something, what do you do? You pervert it.
Holy crap - I would hate to go to a party with you. What a depressoid. Why do you say anything else is a perversion. I would use the word 'bonus', or 'enhancement'. Why are you destroying it? Why can't you enjoy it? Maybe if you tried you'd discover the joys. Sex is wicked - in the best sense of the word - you know, where there's a degree of the other sense of the word as well. ;-)
The mere fact that you (or anyone) could claim to know what your God thinks would be contrary to your Christian teachings.
Not at all. We are told to seek the mind of God. The whole bible is God revealing himself to us, so that we know him and know what he thinks and wants, what he loves and hates.
Romans 12:2: "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is?his good, pleasing and perfect will."
I don't know anyone who isn't a history professor that uses BCE/CE. Most interestingly because of the insane argument used for it. The years coincide directly with AD/BC so they are saying that the year Jesus is believed to have been born we magically entered a "civilized" era? Historically speaking nothing of significance happened in that year other than the believed birth of Jesus.
I thought BCE meant Before Common Era, and CE meant Common Era, neither of which have anything to do with being "civilized." In function BCE/CE are merely euphemisms for BC/AD.
I thought BCE meant Before Common Era, and CE meant Common Era, neither of which have anything to do with being "civilized." In function BCE/CE are merely euphemisms for BC/AD.
yeah, we already talked about that. My history book must have just sucked or I had a really weird history prof... But yeah, it's just BC/AD in a PC form.
So the only reason you're posting here on this forum is that your electro-chemical impulses -- honed by millions of years of Time + Matter + Chance that produced your brain -- have somehow spurred you to get uptight? Really that means that all of our thoughts -- yours and mine -- are all just a product of a big accidental chain-reaction.
Christians believe that God is real, and we are unable to provide a scientific proof for his existence. We believe that there is plenty of evidence, and it is on that evidence that we base our faith.
However, macro-evolution is likewise unprovable (there is no way to prove that one species evolved into another species), and yet it is often claimed as Truth. It is actually a collection of evidences that still require a leap of faith -- that Time + Matter + Chance produced your brain.
If it was all that convincing it wouldn't still be called Evolutionary Theory. Problem is it doesn't pass the 7 step Scientific Method for establishing a hypothesis as a fact.
I can't remember who said it first but even if God didn't exist it would be necessary for man to create one to explain all which he does not know and is inexplicable. Like how people recover from incurable diseases (amongst other things)
Holy crap - I would hate to go to a party with you. What a depressoid. Why do you say anything else is a perversion. I would use the word 'bonus', or 'enhancement'. Why are you destroying it? Why can't you enjoy it? Maybe if you tried you'd discover the joys. Sex is wicked - in the best sense of the word - you know, where there's a degree of the other sense of the word as well. ;-)
Because if you know God, then it's tough to enjoy things that he doesn't approve of. Sex before marriage is in the same category as homosexual sex. God made sex to be for one male/female couple, never to be unfaithful and never to divorce. Anything other than that, and you're short-changing yourself. And her.
If you don't know God, then I can understand why you feel you can do whatever pleases you.
It has nothing to do with likes or dislikes. I happen to care a great deal about everyone. And yes, what we see taking place in modern times has happened before. Numerous times. It's a cycle that happens like it or not when a society becomes too degraded and self-destructs.
Look around, we live in a society addicted to porn, drugs, "reality" shows that showcase the lower realms of mankind to the point that it's become normal to cheat, lie and steal. What is popular today? Songs about rape, drug use, criminality and such. Mental drugs are being pumped into society, drugs that are the cause of our moral blindness. We have politicians themselves engaging in such activities.
By design, the body was intend to pro-create. That is it's intend purpose. Anything else is a perversion. If you want to destroy something, what do you do? You pervert it.
Make no mistake about it, this society is on a self-destruct vector. But only because it has lost it's intended purpose and goal. The questions is, what are you doing about it? Go into agreement with that which shoves it down even further?
Societies rise and fall, and in our case we can no longer sustain the unlimited spending thanks to our "unlimited" wars. The US is now, what... 11 trillion dollars in debt, and most of this debt is owed to China. The country is in decline because we no longer reward hard work, we reward thieves, liars and laziness. But if you view things in another way, civilization and society are illusions anyway. All of these artificial constructs come from our minds, and they are manifested in our buildings, societies and governments.
With regard to "By design, the body was intend to pro-create"... true. As a matter of fact, it is the purpose for our existence. Everything that has sprouted off from our lives (culture, civilization, language, math, religion, etc.) is a byproduct of our longer lives and increased brainpower, which as I understand it has come about due to greater access to food, high-quality protein and consistent crops. This is what evolution has wrought.
The majority of the world is not Christian, so BC/AD would not make much sense,
But the majority of the world has adopted the use of a Christian adapted calendar: the Gregorian Calendar. Granted, that it has done so to simplify business transactions rather than to endorse Christianity, which makes its adoption an use mostly a non issue.
Because if you know God, then it's tough to enjoy things that he doesn't approve of. Sex before marriage is in the same category as homosexual sex. God made sex to be for one male/female couple, never to be unfaithful and never to divorce. Anything other than that, and you're short-changing yourself. And her.
If you don't know God, then I can understand why you feel you can do whatever pleases you.
God made me hate religious people, I wonder what his purpose was. 320 comments on this thread, I guess it hit a nerve...
Gay marriage has been legal in Canada since 2005. It is indeed a matter of equality and civil rights.
I approve and praise Apple and Google for fighting this outrageous campaign by fanatic religious groups to deny the civil rights of others, the rights of people who do not belong to and do not recognize themselves as members of these churches and groups, including the Catholic Church.
This attempt to deny the rights of others is no different than denying the rights of someone by reason of their race, colour, or sex. Ask a woman, a Jew or a Black person if their rights should be denied or equal to every other American.
In Canada, with a population of over 33 million, I was surprised to learn that the number of gay marriages is between 6,500 and 8,000 per year. Gay and lesbian couples don't marry for the same reasons as straight heterosexual couples: Marriage is all about being financially responsible for your spouse and the children of your spouse, even if you are not the biologic parent of the children.
A divorce is a financial catastrophy for everyone, gay or straight, as spouses must sell their home and share their pensions, retirement allocations and life savings.
In Canada, fewer and fewer people are willing to commit to one another to that extent, especially in the absence of children. I don't believe that more than 30% of the couples choose marriage, even if they have children.
Marriage is all about financial responsability and equal rights. Marriage is not about sex or religion, just the financial burden of breakup.
Everyone can have sex without the commitment of marriage. If you choose to marry, you become financially responsible for your spouse and the children of your spouse.
Thank you Apple and Google for doing the right thing.
Not at all. We are told to seek the mind of God. The whole bible is God revealing himself to us, so that we know him and know what he thinks and wants, what he loves and hates.
Romans 12:2: "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is?his good, pleasing and perfect will."
Yes, transformation is what Jesus was about, and he went out of his way to serve, eat with, walk with people considered outsiders in his day. The Bible is stories of people trying to perceive God, includes many contradictions. The bottom line I find is respect and justice and love for every person. Every person is beloved. Prop. 8 seeks to deny some people legal rights. Prop. 8 is funded by religious people seeking to tell the state how to define rights. Religions can define marriage in their traditions, and they do, and many traditions contradict one another. Some say men rule over women. Some say you can't marry outside the religion. Some religions believe in polygamy. State law is different. State law is about equalty for everyone, it is about equal access to privileges of marriage. One more comment, please have the respect for LGBT persons to ask them what they think and experience on this issue. I read this site often. I applaud Apple for contributing to defeat Prop. 8, just as I would applaud any company for contributing to stop discrimination against people of color and women.
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I'm not talking about my own personal god, I'm talking about the God -- the one and only.
You're right, though. Without him, all right and wrong is subjective. Everything goes.
If right and wrong is truly subjective, people's blood pressure need not rise when someone declares their pet sins to be wrong.
Oh, you mean Buddha.... or...
Try to see it from God's point of view.
The mere fact that you (or anyone) could claim to know what your God thinks would be contrary to your Christian teachings.
Perhaps we need to start a whole new system. How about we take the official Unix Time that was started 12:00:01 januiary 1st, 1970. This is the age of technology, after all. That would make it the year 0038UT
I like it! I'll be really young and go back to high school! But yeah, much as I use BC/AD, and much as political correctness can be frustrating, when you look at it closer change almost always makes sense. Using BC/AD is arrogant in today's world.
Oh, you mean Buddha.... or...
The Buddha was an atehist.
Let's say that God doesn't exist. We are merely the product of Time + Matter + Chance.
If that's the case, then all love, beauty, awe and wonder, deep thoughts, righteousness and indignation -- in short, all things that make us truly human -- are nothing more than electro-chemical responses in our bodies that we perceive as love, beauty, awe, etc. Any feelings of love from your spouse are just brain waves and chemicals and juices -- no more no less.
[And if that's the case, this whole discussion on this Apple forum is ridiculous -- a bunch of ape-creatures getting all uptight over electro-chemical impulses...]
But we know that to not be the case, deep down in our hearts.
If we really were atheistically evolved beings, we would just be purely pragmatic -- eat when we're hungry, find shelter when we're cold, etc. Just like the animals. We wouldn't be capable of recognizing beauty and feeling love.
The spirit within you testifies that you are more than just 'natural'.
No, we don't all "know that" deep in our hearts.
I like it! I'll be really young and go back to high school! But yeah, much as I use BC/AD, and much as political correctness can be frustrating, when you look at it closer change almost always makes sense. Using BC/AD is arrogant in today's world.
Possibly but as it's been pointed out that is the absolute only event (Jesus' birth) that happened of historical significance in the time frame so why not call a spade a spade and leave it BC/AD? Calling it BCE/CE is absolutely ridiculous and screams of revisionist history.
By design, the body was intend to pro-create. That is it's intend purpose. Anything else is a perversion. If you want to destroy something, what do you do? You pervert it.
Holy crap - I would hate to go to a party with you. What a depressoid. Why do you say anything else is a perversion. I would use the word 'bonus', or 'enhancement'. Why are you destroying it? Why can't you enjoy it? Maybe if you tried you'd discover the joys. Sex is wicked - in the best sense of the word - you know, where there's a degree of the other sense of the word as well. ;-)
The mere fact that you (or anyone) could claim to know what your God thinks would be contrary to your Christian teachings.
Not at all. We are told to seek the mind of God. The whole bible is God revealing himself to us, so that we know him and know what he thinks and wants, what he loves and hates.
Romans 12:2: "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is?his good, pleasing and perfect will."
I don't know anyone who isn't a history professor that uses BCE/CE. Most interestingly because of the insane argument used for it. The years coincide directly with AD/BC so they are saying that the year Jesus is believed to have been born we magically entered a "civilized" era? Historically speaking nothing of significance happened in that year other than the believed birth of Jesus.
I thought BCE meant Before Common Era, and CE meant Common Era, neither of which have anything to do with being "civilized." In function BCE/CE are merely euphemisms for BC/AD.
I thought BCE meant Before Common Era, and CE meant Common Era, neither of which have anything to do with being "civilized." In function BCE/CE are merely euphemisms for BC/AD.
yeah, we already talked about that. My history book must have just sucked or I had a really weird history prof... But yeah, it's just BC/AD in a PC form.
No, we don't all "know that" deep in our hearts.
So the only reason you're posting here on this forum is that your electro-chemical impulses -- honed by millions of years of Time + Matter + Chance that produced your brain -- have somehow spurred you to get uptight?
Or, you have a God-given spirit.
Going off-topic with that thought:
Christians believe that God is real, and we are unable to provide a scientific proof for his existence. We believe that there is plenty of evidence, and it is on that evidence that we base our faith.
However, macro-evolution is likewise unprovable (there is no way to prove that one species evolved into another species), and yet it is often claimed as Truth. It is actually a collection of evidences that still require a leap of faith -- that Time + Matter + Chance produced your brain.
Well, the evidence is getting pretty convincing
http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/04...ry_finding.php
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06fossil.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiktaalik
Well, the evidence is getting pretty convincing
http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/04...ry_finding.php
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/science/06fossil.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiktaalik
If it was all that convincing it wouldn't still be called Evolutionary Theory. Problem is it doesn't pass the 7 step Scientific Method for establishing a hypothesis as a fact.
I can't remember who said it first but even if God didn't exist it would be necessary for man to create one to explain all which he does not know and is inexplicable. Like how people recover from incurable diseases (amongst other things)
Holy crap - I would hate to go to a party with you. What a depressoid. Why do you say anything else is a perversion. I would use the word 'bonus', or 'enhancement'. Why are you destroying it? Why can't you enjoy it? Maybe if you tried you'd discover the joys. Sex is wicked - in the best sense of the word - you know, where there's a degree of the other sense of the word as well. ;-)
Because if you know God, then it's tough to enjoy things that he doesn't approve of. Sex before marriage is in the same category as homosexual sex. God made sex to be for one male/female couple, never to be unfaithful and never to divorce. Anything other than that, and you're short-changing yourself. And her.
If you don't know God, then I can understand why you feel you can do whatever pleases you.
It has nothing to do with likes or dislikes. I happen to care a great deal about everyone. And yes, what we see taking place in modern times has happened before. Numerous times. It's a cycle that happens like it or not when a society becomes too degraded and self-destructs.
Look around, we live in a society addicted to porn, drugs, "reality" shows that showcase the lower realms of mankind to the point that it's become normal to cheat, lie and steal. What is popular today? Songs about rape, drug use, criminality and such. Mental drugs are being pumped into society, drugs that are the cause of our moral blindness. We have politicians themselves engaging in such activities.
By design, the body was intend to pro-create. That is it's intend purpose. Anything else is a perversion. If you want to destroy something, what do you do? You pervert it.
Make no mistake about it, this society is on a self-destruct vector. But only because it has lost it's intended purpose and goal. The questions is, what are you doing about it? Go into agreement with that which shoves it down even further?
Societies rise and fall, and in our case we can no longer sustain the unlimited spending thanks to our "unlimited" wars. The US is now, what... 11 trillion dollars in debt, and most of this debt is owed to China. The country is in decline because we no longer reward hard work, we reward thieves, liars and laziness. But if you view things in another way, civilization and society are illusions anyway. All of these artificial constructs come from our minds, and they are manifested in our buildings, societies and governments.
With regard to "By design, the body was intend to pro-create"... true. As a matter of fact, it is the purpose for our existence. Everything that has sprouted off from our lives (culture, civilization, language, math, religion, etc.) is a byproduct of our longer lives and increased brainpower, which as I understand it has come about due to greater access to food, high-quality protein and consistent crops. This is what evolution has wrought.
The majority of the world is not Christian, so BC/AD would not make much sense,
But the majority of the world has adopted the use of a Christian adapted calendar: the Gregorian Calendar. Granted, that it has done so to simplify business transactions rather than to endorse Christianity, which makes its adoption an use mostly a non issue.
Because if you know God, then it's tough to enjoy things that he doesn't approve of. Sex before marriage is in the same category as homosexual sex. God made sex to be for one male/female couple, never to be unfaithful and never to divorce. Anything other than that, and you're short-changing yourself. And her.
If you don't know God, then I can understand why you feel you can do whatever pleases you.
God made me hate religious people, I wonder what his purpose was. 320 comments on this thread, I guess it hit a nerve...
I approve and praise Apple and Google for fighting this outrageous campaign by fanatic religious groups to deny the civil rights of others, the rights of people who do not belong to and do not recognize themselves as members of these churches and groups, including the Catholic Church.
This attempt to deny the rights of others is no different than denying the rights of someone by reason of their race, colour, or sex. Ask a woman, a Jew or a Black person if their rights should be denied or equal to every other American.
In Canada, with a population of over 33 million, I was surprised to learn that the number of gay marriages is between 6,500 and 8,000 per year. Gay and lesbian couples don't marry for the same reasons as straight heterosexual couples: Marriage is all about being financially responsible for your spouse and the children of your spouse, even if you are not the biologic parent of the children.
A divorce is a financial catastrophy for everyone, gay or straight, as spouses must sell their home and share their pensions, retirement allocations and life savings.
In Canada, fewer and fewer people are willing to commit to one another to that extent, especially in the absence of children. I don't believe that more than 30% of the couples choose marriage, even if they have children.
Marriage is all about financial responsability and equal rights. Marriage is not about sex or religion, just the financial burden of breakup.
Everyone can have sex without the commitment of marriage. If you choose to marry, you become financially responsible for your spouse and the children of your spouse.
Thank you Apple and Google for doing the right thing.
Not at all. We are told to seek the mind of God. The whole bible is God revealing himself to us, so that we know him and know what he thinks and wants, what he loves and hates.
Romans 12:2: "Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is?his good, pleasing and perfect will."
Yes, transformation is what Jesus was about, and he went out of his way to serve, eat with, walk with people considered outsiders in his day. The Bible is stories of people trying to perceive God, includes many contradictions. The bottom line I find is respect and justice and love for every person. Every person is beloved. Prop. 8 seeks to deny some people legal rights. Prop. 8 is funded by religious people seeking to tell the state how to define rights. Religions can define marriage in their traditions, and they do, and many traditions contradict one another. Some say men rule over women. Some say you can't marry outside the religion. Some religions believe in polygamy. State law is different. State law is about equalty for everyone, it is about equal access to privileges of marriage. One more comment, please have the respect for LGBT persons to ask them what they think and experience on this issue. I read this site often. I applaud Apple for contributing to defeat Prop. 8, just as I would applaud any company for contributing to stop discrimination against people of color and women.
PS: Out of curiosity, who here uses BCE/CE instead of BC/AD?
BCE/CE of course!
KRR