The path is wide that leads to Hades. It must be free.
Christ offers an alternative for us goofs. We just have to be smart enough to accept it.
Just as science adds beauty to the world just as atheists, agnostics and zeitgeistonians add beauty to the world Jesus is the beauty of the world,he's in everyone,whether they know it or not, as Jesus is the fearlessness of the ultimate terror being demonic evil.Therefore unless your a little laughing green demon ,which nobody is, your saved.Being human ain't so bad after all.Everyone's automatically saved in my book whatever their beliefs are.
A "God" who could create the heavens and the Earth spends all of his time worrying about whether the repressive mores of some primitive tribe of flea-bitten nomads is being universally obeyed. Seems silly to me! I guess gays are the new women in this theory.
Actually, Judaism was a huge womens-lib movement of the ancient world.
God is working through his very long-term plan. He started, essentially, with a single guy named Abraham, and worked through Isaac and Jacob to the nation of Israel -- his 'firstborn son', as he referred to that group you so eloquently called 'some primitive tribe of flea-bitten nomads.' He raised them into a nation that was supposed to serve the world, but they (as us) didn't do a very good job, all the way up to the time of Jesus. Now God's plan, after Jesus' crucifixion, has gone out into the whole world.
Sure, there are still injustices, mostly because we human beings are all stubborn and selfish. Every one of us. We're a hard group to work with. Yet God keeps working on us. The question is whether we want to conform to the likeness of his Son and be holy, as God is holy? If God's plan isn't working fast enough, and there are injustices in the world, the place to start is your own heart. Only then can God change the world.
Just as science adds beauty to the world just as atheists, agnostics and zeitgeistonians add beauty to the world Jesus is the beauty of the world,he's in everyone,whether they know it or not, as Jesus is the fearlessness of the ultimate terror being demonic evil.Therefore unless your a little laughing green demon ,which nobody is, your saved.Being human ain't so bad after all.Everyone's automatically saved in my book whatever their beliefs are.
The problem is that, after death, your book isn't the one that is used for the roll-call. \
It's reason for me to believe that, though I believe the bible is inerrant and is exactly what God wanted to communicate to us, he left room for painting vague pictures at times rather than giving facts and figures. Remember that this message had to be understandable to ancient peoples as well as modern ones.
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Just as science adds beauty to the world just as atheists, agnostics and zeitgeistonians add beauty to the world Jesus is the beauty of the world,he's in everyone,whether they know it or not, as Jesus is the fearlessness of the ultimate terror being demonic evil.Therefore unless your a little laughing green demon ,which nobody is, your saved.Being human ain't so bad after all.Everyone's automatically saved in my book whatever their beliefs are.
Impressive. And it is so... convenient. All bases covered.
It's interesting to speculate what the original Sumerian form of some of these legends might have been, as we only know most of them from much later Semitic (Akkadian and Assyrian) redactions. The Semites were more or less completely dependent on the Sumerians for their higher culture as they infiltrated and gradually took over Mesopotamia.
Possibly all they had to contribute was their primitive desert sexual mores, and that has been amazingly persistent. Every time there's a new dispensation, be it Christianity, or Islam, or Protestantism, the people who have been left out of the previous power structure (especially women) are the first adherents and make it a success; but within a few centuries, the same backwards Bedouin morality becomes the bedrock of the new religion as well.
A "God" who could create the heavens and the Earth spends all of his time worrying about whether the repressive mores of some primitive tribe of flea-bitten nomads is being universally obeyed. Seems silly to me! I guess gays are the new women in this theory. We can deny them rights we never could to women (or blacks) any more, and really, what's the point of existing if you can't feel better than somebody?
If God indeed created us, that would make us His children.
Have you ever seen/heard children try to figure out something about their world that's tricky for them to understand?
Oddly, I've found that all the English-translated Bibles out now are based on middle-period Hebrew versions and the Greek translations. And, also oddly, you'd be surprised at how different they are from the earliest versions extant. As the light/tone error in translation I mentioned earlier. Totally different meaning, especially when I hear so many people speak of God's light versus the darkness bereft of God. When the "light" is taken out of the translation and replaced with the more correct "tone/movement," "darkness," "blackness," and anti-light no longer makes sense. "Anti-music?" "Anti-movement?" The whole white/black dichotomy doesn't work anymore. See? And that's only one example.
You are incorrect in saying that "there are a few inaccuracies, but very few." Not according to any of the scholars out there whose job it is to research these things (one of whom I interviewed is also a scholar for the Vatican, so it's hardly a secular group I spoke with). In fact, almost every line of the Old Testament has multiple translational possibilities that have widely disparate meanings.
I have no problem with people using any version of the Bible as a touchstone for their faith, but an exact reading... there is no translation out there right now that's even close to some of the original writings. And if that's the case, which one is the "word of God?"
Thankfully, virtually all of them are 'good enough' according to God's standards.
Remember that Hebrew is a 'poor' language. Not 'poor' as in bad, but that it just doesn't have many words. For instance, 'rouach' (I don't know the spelling...pronounced ROO-ach) can be either 'wind' or 'spirit'. In its imprecision, Hebrew is great at painting word pictures. We Gentiles get bogged down with minutia (our thinking comes more from a Greek background), and try to be uber-precise about these things, but it really isn't that necessary.
Consider that we have dozens of slightly different English bible translations. You can probably only get 1 translation in Swahili. Does that mean that those Africans that speak Swahili are S.O.L. because they only have one translation? Nope. It's good enough for conveying the message that God wants to convey.
Thankfully, virtually all of them are 'good enough' according to God's standards. .
As I said, in essence for faith, but not to be quoted as the "exact" words. God is a Him/Her/Both according to the most "original" version of the Bible, and no recent translation has put that back in. There is no question it's NOT just Him. It's not the "poorness" of Hebrew and earlier (so you claim, but you're not actually correct there, either about Hebrew's "poorness" -- English has quite as many dual meanings, and inaccuracies, thank you very much). It was later changed to the male gender because of patriarchal societies and political reasons (especially the older Greek translations which were highly politicized). That seems like a pretty big thing to me. It doesn't change a person's faith, but to me, it sure changes the meaning. It actually seems to make God bigger, but that's only my thought on the subject.
The problem is that, after death, your book isn't the one that is used for the roll-call. \
We're all scared of pain and that's normal but Jesus is our fearlessness of it.God is an eternal promise of love and love is free from all fear and pain.God doesn't ever punish anybody he only enlightens.Jesus is the rock because he is the solution,the light, the way, against all fear and pain.God foresook Jesus so that Jesus would never fear God again and consequently not fear the "other universe".
A terrorized soul is just that and that's all,life's sweet because we know we are the light and only the light,no justification required.
As I said, in essence for faith, but not to be quoted as the "exact" words. God is a Him/Her/Both according to the most "original" version of the Bible, and no recent translation has put that back in.
If that's the case, I would be questioning the arguments for this "most original" bible. Teams of scholars have worked on each translation, with the modern ones going back to the most reliable documents. If all of those people are agreed upon it that it's 'Him'....
We have to consider this from a holistic perspective. God caused men to write His thoughts, but in their own literary styles. God then caused men to come together and discuss these writings; certain writings were recognized as being worthy of canonization because they revealed something particular about God, and so they were accepted into the bible. Men have copied the bible for millenia, and translated it -- with God's help. Sure, there is lots of room for error. But the fact of the matter is that even secular historians are amazed at how relatively unchanged the bible is, compared to other ancient documents. We believers know that God had his hand in the whole process. What we have for bibles and translations is what we have, and God knows that and is working with that. In the end, he can save souls with it anyway.
We're all scared of pain and that's normal but Jesus is our fearlessness of it.God is an eternal promise of love and love is free from all fear and pain.God doesn't ever punish anybody he only enlightens.Jesus is the rock because he is the solution,the light, the way, against all fear and pain.God foresook Jesus so that Jesus would never fear God again and consequently not fear the "other universe".
A terrorized soul is just that and that's all,life's sweet because we know we are the light and only the light,no justification required.
To say that 'God doesn't ever punish anybody he only enlightens' is not at all a biblical thought. If God DIDN'T punish us, it would be a sign he didn't love us. Even the best of us do bad things, and need to be corrected of it in order to become more holy.
Proverbs 3:11-12:
My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD
Or loathe His reproof,
For whom the LORD loves He reproves,
Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights.
Hebrews 12:10:
"Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness."
With regards to eternity.....we will get exactly what we want. If we want God, we can have him. If we don't want him, we get to be separated from him for eternity. It's our choice. We choose the blessing or the punishment. As C. S. Lewis said, "the gates of hell are locked from the inside."
We're all scared of pain and that's normal but Jesus is our fearlessness of it.God is an eternal promise of love and love is free from all fear and pain.God doesn't ever punish anybody he only enlightens.Jesus is the rock because he is the solution,the light, the way, against all fear and pain.God foresook Jesus so that Jesus would never fear God again and consequently not fear the "other universe".
A terrorized soul is just that and that's all,life's sweet because we know we are the light and only the light,no justification required.
Have children?
If little Johnny is never punished, big Johnny will punish you!
If that's the case, I would be questioning the arguments for this "most original" bible. Teams of scholars have worked on each translation, with the modern ones going back to the most reliable documents. If all of those people are agreed upon it that it's 'Him'.....
I'll go by the experts, actually, and I in fact did -- top dozen or so in the world today (two were in Italy, one in Germany, there's a great Greek scholar in Athens -- I also went over to England to look at much of the original papers done by the committees working on the KJV). I did my research, and as I said, this is the most up-to-the-minute research. Very few "translations" use the very earliest writings (the King James scholars didn't even have it, though as literature I consider that one of the most beautiful versions), and none of the modern English texts in circulation do at all, basing all of their work on multi-translated previous works. I have no problem with you believing God told each and every translator what to say, thus making each and every translation God's word, but I say you are incorrect in accordance with the findings of the latest scholars when you state that the translations you are reading are actually accurate compared to the original writings.
To say that 'God doesn't ever punish anybody he only enlightens' is not at all a biblical thought. If God DIDN'T punish us, it would be a sign he didn't love us. Even the best of us do bad things, and need to be corrected of it in order to become more holy.
Proverbs 3:11-12:
My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD
Or loathe His reproof,
For whom the LORD loves He reproves,
Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights.
Hebrews 12:10:
"Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness."
With regards to eternity.....we will get exactly what we want. If we want God, we can have him. If we don't want him, we get to be separated from him for eternity. It's our choice. We choose the blessing or the punishment. As C. S. Lewis said, "the gates of hell are locked from the inside."
God taught Jesus not to fear by sending him to hell,which terrorized Jesus in an evil he had no prior understanding of.That is the whole point,the resurrection happened before the crucifixion.You won't read that in your bible or hear that in your church, but that's the real beauty.Go on punishing people to learn about God if you want but your sure not teaching anything positive about life.
Just to clarify for those with any wish for real truth-The resurrection happened,not in the sense of the bibles portrayal of it but as a physical representation of the actual crucifixion of Jesus prior to the crucifixion and the rise (known as the resurrection) which is actually the return to the the actual resurrection which was utterly oblivious to the physical and mental crucifixion.Just my two cents.
And yet, many Americans living near the Canadian border cross over into Canada to get medical treatment because they know Canadian doctors/hospitals won't turn them away. What about the Americans who come up for our cheaper medication?
The situations you refer to are rare and only make the news because we don't think it is acceptable that our medical system lets down even ONE of our citizens. Can you say the same about your system?
QUOTE=zinfella;1330762]I prefer to be self reliant, and maintain my freedom, not to mention all of those extra tax dollars that Europeans are forced to pay. As for free health care under socialism, ask the Canadians why they come here for care when they're able. Why is it that people are trying to sneak into the US, if socialism is so good? [/QUOTE]
I'll go by the experts, actually, and I in fact did -- top dozen or so in the world today (two were in Italy, one in Germany, there's a great Greek scholar in Athens -- I also went over to England to look at much of the original papers done by the committees working on the KJV). I did my research, and as I said, this is the most up-to-the-minute research. Very few "translations" use the very earliest writings (the King James scholars didn't even have it, though as literature I consider that one of the most beautiful versions), and none of the modern English texts in circulation do at all, basing all of their work on multi-translated previous works. I have no problem with you believing God told each and every translator what to say, thus making each and every translation God's word, but I say you are incorrect in accordance with the findings of the latest scholars when you state that the translations you are reading are actually accurate compared to the original writings.
I don't believe God told each and every translator what to say. I just believe that generally they were Spirit-driven, as were those who wrote the original texts, and those who copied and translated them afterward. The point being that the Spirit has kept the message intact. We can go into all sorts of word studies, but in the end it's the message, not so much the messenger.
Incidentally, it was arguments that the gospels really were reliable books that convinced me to be a believer (and God's unique work in my life at that time aided it.) Sure, my bibles have footnotes of different manuscripts and their slight variations, but the overarching message is still there, intact. And I trust God enough with his word.
And yet, many Americans living near the Canadian border cross over into Canada to get medical treatment because they know Canadian doctors/hospitals won't turn them away. What about the Americans who come up for our cheaper medication?
The situations you refer to are rare and only make the news because we don't think it is acceptable that our medical system lets down even ONE of our citizens. Can you say the same about your system?
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I prefer to be self reliant, and maintain my freedom, not to mention all of those extra tax dollars that Europeans are forced to pay. As for free health care under socialism, ask the Canadians why they come here for care when they're able. Why is it that people are trying to sneak into the US, if socialism is so good?
People like this are ineducable. They want all the perks of living in a society, but if anyone suggests that they should pay anything like their fair share to maintain it, they scream "Socialism!"
They also think, when they're allowed to keep all of "their" money, that it will still be worth something after they've destroyed the government that issued it. They live in a pure fantasy world where everything they get is sacred, and if somebody else doesn't have as much, or anything, it's because they're "lazy" or "trying to get something for nothing."
I happen to believe that we are a social species and we can't live like the lone predators these people fancy themselves as. What's so funny (not really) about the whole thing is that these very people are the most dependent on society working perfectly to maintain their illusions and their lifestyles. Fortunately (for them) they have a political party that's been in the ascendant for the last 28 years that has raised selfishness and greed to the level of a fucking philosophy!
This would be bad enough, but selfishness and greed don't sound as good as they might as a political platform, so they've been forced to climb into bed with the most fanatical religious nuts and the most mindlessly belligerent warmongers in order to form their ruling coalition. Now this unholy alliance is coming to the biggest train wreck in history, and where they go from here, I don't know. Their "base" (in most parties, that means the normal, non-crazy people, but in their case it means the most extreme fringe of the raving loons,) will be increasingly radicalized and undoubtedly will turn to domestic terrorism of some kind; not just family-planning clinics any more.
Short of a revolution, there is no way to eliminate that "two-thirds of the states with one-third of the population with a majority in the Electoral College" situation, because three-quarters of the states have to ratify a constitutional amendment. So what will happen? I don't know, but something has to. We've had one Civil War to end slavery (well, actually, to prevent its extension to the Territories) and if we have to have another one to eliminate the enslavement of the majority of the population by a frenzied red-state cabal of troglodytic Neanderthals, well, give me a gun!
You can tie horns onto a lamb but it's still a lamb.The Golly Gucci politics of republicans are looking like very tender meat to many, no matter what their growing terrorist base yells.Simply put their fan base (who are not at all representative of many who vote for them) are increasingly militant warriors who will undoubtedley use acts of terror whilst,hideously in my view, calling themselves "Freedom Fries."
I wonder if they had a bake sale to raise the 100k
I think you just figured out where FW400 went on the new notebooks. Figure 3M Macs sold for the holiday quarter, minus the 33¢ per machine to add FW400 port and controller, equals $100K.
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The path is wide that leads to Hades. It must be free.
Christ offers an alternative for us goofs. We just have to be smart enough to accept it.
Just as science adds beauty to the world just as atheists, agnostics and zeitgeistonians add beauty to the world Jesus is the beauty of the world,he's in everyone,whether they know it or not, as Jesus is the fearlessness of the ultimate terror being demonic evil.Therefore unless your a little laughing green demon ,which nobody is, your saved.Being human ain't so bad after all.Everyone's automatically saved in my book whatever their beliefs are.
A "God" who could create the heavens and the Earth spends all of his time worrying about whether the repressive mores of some primitive tribe of flea-bitten nomads is being universally obeyed. Seems silly to me! I guess gays are the new women in this theory.
Actually, Judaism was a huge womens-lib movement of the ancient world.
God is working through his very long-term plan. He started, essentially, with a single guy named Abraham, and worked through Isaac and Jacob to the nation of Israel -- his 'firstborn son', as he referred to that group you so eloquently called 'some primitive tribe of flea-bitten nomads.' He raised them into a nation that was supposed to serve the world, but they (as us) didn't do a very good job, all the way up to the time of Jesus. Now God's plan, after Jesus' crucifixion, has gone out into the whole world.
Sure, there are still injustices, mostly because we human beings are all stubborn and selfish. Every one of us. We're a hard group to work with. Yet God keeps working on us. The question is whether we want to conform to the likeness of his Son and be holy, as God is holy? If God's plan isn't working fast enough, and there are injustices in the world, the place to start is your own heart. Only then can God change the world.
Just as science adds beauty to the world just as atheists, agnostics and zeitgeistonians add beauty to the world Jesus is the beauty of the world,he's in everyone,whether they know it or not, as Jesus is the fearlessness of the ultimate terror being demonic evil.Therefore unless your a little laughing green demon ,which nobody is, your saved.Being human ain't so bad after all.Everyone's automatically saved in my book whatever their beliefs are.
The problem is that, after death, your book isn't the one that is used for the roll-call.
It's reason for me to believe that, though I believe the bible is inerrant and is exactly what God wanted to communicate to us, he left room for painting vague pictures at times rather than giving facts and figures. Remember that this message had to be understandable to ancient peoples as well as modern ones.
Just as science adds beauty to the world just as atheists, agnostics and zeitgeistonians add beauty to the world Jesus is the beauty of the world,he's in everyone,whether they know it or not, as Jesus is the fearlessness of the ultimate terror being demonic evil.Therefore unless your a little laughing green demon ,which nobody is, your saved.Being human ain't so bad after all.Everyone's automatically saved in my book whatever their beliefs are.
Impressive. And it is so... convenient. All bases covered.
It's interesting to speculate what the original Sumerian form of some of these legends might have been, as we only know most of them from much later Semitic (Akkadian and Assyrian) redactions. The Semites were more or less completely dependent on the Sumerians for their higher culture as they infiltrated and gradually took over Mesopotamia.
Possibly all they had to contribute was their primitive desert sexual mores, and that has been amazingly persistent. Every time there's a new dispensation, be it Christianity, or Islam, or Protestantism, the people who have been left out of the previous power structure (especially women) are the first adherents and make it a success; but within a few centuries, the same backwards Bedouin morality becomes the bedrock of the new religion as well.
A "God" who could create the heavens and the Earth spends all of his time worrying about whether the repressive mores of some primitive tribe of flea-bitten nomads is being universally obeyed. Seems silly to me! I guess gays are the new women in this theory. We can deny them rights we never could to women (or blacks) any more, and really, what's the point of existing if you can't feel better than somebody?
If God indeed created us, that would make us His children.
Have you ever seen/heard children try to figure out something about their world that's tricky for them to understand?
It can be quite humorous. You don't think He...
Oddly, I've found that all the English-translated Bibles out now are based on middle-period Hebrew versions and the Greek translations. And, also oddly, you'd be surprised at how different they are from the earliest versions extant. As the light/tone error in translation I mentioned earlier. Totally different meaning, especially when I hear so many people speak of God's light versus the darkness bereft of God. When the "light" is taken out of the translation and replaced with the more correct "tone/movement," "darkness," "blackness," and anti-light no longer makes sense. "Anti-music?" "Anti-movement?" The whole white/black dichotomy doesn't work anymore. See? And that's only one example.
You are incorrect in saying that "there are a few inaccuracies, but very few." Not according to any of the scholars out there whose job it is to research these things (one of whom I interviewed is also a scholar for the Vatican, so it's hardly a secular group I spoke with). In fact, almost every line of the Old Testament has multiple translational possibilities that have widely disparate meanings.
I have no problem with people using any version of the Bible as a touchstone for their faith, but an exact reading... there is no translation out there right now that's even close to some of the original writings. And if that's the case, which one is the "word of God?"
Thankfully, virtually all of them are 'good enough' according to God's standards.
Remember that Hebrew is a 'poor' language. Not 'poor' as in bad, but that it just doesn't have many words. For instance, 'rouach' (I don't know the spelling...pronounced ROO-ach) can be either 'wind' or 'spirit'. In its imprecision, Hebrew is great at painting word pictures. We Gentiles get bogged down with minutia (our thinking comes more from a Greek background), and try to be uber-precise about these things, but it really isn't that necessary.
Consider that we have dozens of slightly different English bible translations. You can probably only get 1 translation in Swahili. Does that mean that those Africans that speak Swahili are S.O.L. because they only have one translation? Nope. It's good enough for conveying the message that God wants to convey.
Thankfully, virtually all of them are 'good enough' according to God's standards.
As I said, in essence for faith, but not to be quoted as the "exact" words. God is a Him/Her/Both according to the most "original" version of the Bible, and no recent translation has put that back in. There is no question it's NOT just Him. It's not the "poorness" of Hebrew and earlier (so you claim, but you're not actually correct there, either about Hebrew's "poorness" -- English has quite as many dual meanings, and inaccuracies, thank you very much). It was later changed to the male gender because of patriarchal societies and political reasons (especially the older Greek translations which were highly politicized). That seems like a pretty big thing to me. It doesn't change a person's faith, but to me, it sure changes the meaning. It actually seems to make God bigger, but that's only my thought on the subject.
The problem is that, after death, your book isn't the one that is used for the roll-call.
We're all scared of pain and that's normal but Jesus is our fearlessness of it.God is an eternal promise of love and love is free from all fear and pain.God doesn't ever punish anybody he only enlightens.Jesus is the rock because he is the solution,the light, the way, against all fear and pain.God foresook Jesus so that Jesus would never fear God again and consequently not fear the "other universe".
A terrorized soul is just that and that's all,life's sweet because we know we are the light and only the light,no justification required.
As I said, in essence for faith, but not to be quoted as the "exact" words. God is a Him/Her/Both according to the most "original" version of the Bible, and no recent translation has put that back in.
If that's the case, I would be questioning the arguments for this "most original" bible. Teams of scholars have worked on each translation, with the modern ones going back to the most reliable documents. If all of those people are agreed upon it that it's 'Him'....
We have to consider this from a holistic perspective. God caused men to write His thoughts, but in their own literary styles. God then caused men to come together and discuss these writings; certain writings were recognized as being worthy of canonization because they revealed something particular about God, and so they were accepted into the bible. Men have copied the bible for millenia, and translated it -- with God's help. Sure, there is lots of room for error. But the fact of the matter is that even secular historians are amazed at how relatively unchanged the bible is, compared to other ancient documents. We believers know that God had his hand in the whole process. What we have for bibles and translations is what we have, and God knows that and is working with that. In the end, he can save souls with it anyway.
We're all scared of pain and that's normal but Jesus is our fearlessness of it.God is an eternal promise of love and love is free from all fear and pain.God doesn't ever punish anybody he only enlightens.Jesus is the rock because he is the solution,the light, the way, against all fear and pain.God foresook Jesus so that Jesus would never fear God again and consequently not fear the "other universe".
A terrorized soul is just that and that's all,life's sweet because we know we are the light and only the light,no justification required.
To say that 'God doesn't ever punish anybody he only enlightens' is not at all a biblical thought. If God DIDN'T punish us, it would be a sign he didn't love us. Even the best of us do bad things, and need to be corrected of it in order to become more holy.
Proverbs 3:11-12:
My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD
Or loathe His reproof,
For whom the LORD loves He reproves,
Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights.
Hebrews 12:10:
"Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness."
With regards to eternity.....we will get exactly what we want. If we want God, we can have him. If we don't want him, we get to be separated from him for eternity. It's our choice. We choose the blessing or the punishment. As C. S. Lewis said, "the gates of hell are locked from the inside."
We're all scared of pain and that's normal but Jesus is our fearlessness of it.God is an eternal promise of love and love is free from all fear and pain.God doesn't ever punish anybody he only enlightens.Jesus is the rock because he is the solution,the light, the way, against all fear and pain.God foresook Jesus so that Jesus would never fear God again and consequently not fear the "other universe".
A terrorized soul is just that and that's all,life's sweet because we know we are the light and only the light,no justification required.
Have children?
If little Johnny is never punished, big Johnny will punish you!
If that's the case, I would be questioning the arguments for this "most original" bible. Teams of scholars have worked on each translation, with the modern ones going back to the most reliable documents. If all of those people are agreed upon it that it's 'Him'.....
I'll go by the experts, actually, and I in fact did -- top dozen or so in the world today (two were in Italy, one in Germany, there's a great Greek scholar in Athens -- I also went over to England to look at much of the original papers done by the committees working on the KJV). I did my research, and as I said, this is the most up-to-the-minute research. Very few "translations" use the very earliest writings (the King James scholars didn't even have it, though as literature I consider that one of the most beautiful versions), and none of the modern English texts in circulation do at all, basing all of their work on multi-translated previous works. I have no problem with you believing God told each and every translator what to say, thus making each and every translation God's word, but I say you are incorrect in accordance with the findings of the latest scholars when you state that the translations you are reading are actually accurate compared to the original writings.
To say that 'God doesn't ever punish anybody he only enlightens' is not at all a biblical thought. If God DIDN'T punish us, it would be a sign he didn't love us. Even the best of us do bad things, and need to be corrected of it in order to become more holy.
Proverbs 3:11-12:
My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD
Or loathe His reproof,
For whom the LORD loves He reproves,
Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights.
Hebrews 12:10:
"Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness."
With regards to eternity.....we will get exactly what we want. If we want God, we can have him. If we don't want him, we get to be separated from him for eternity. It's our choice. We choose the blessing or the punishment. As C. S. Lewis said, "the gates of hell are locked from the inside."
God taught Jesus not to fear by sending him to hell,which terrorized Jesus in an evil he had no prior understanding of.That is the whole point,the resurrection happened before the crucifixion.You won't read that in your bible or hear that in your church, but that's the real beauty.Go on punishing people to learn about God if you want but your sure not teaching anything positive about life.
Just to clarify for those with any wish for real truth-The resurrection happened,not in the sense of the bibles portrayal of it but as a physical representation of the actual crucifixion of Jesus prior to the crucifixion and the rise (known as the resurrection) which is actually the return to the the actual resurrection which was utterly oblivious to the physical and mental crucifixion.Just my two cents.
Have children?
If little Johnny is never punished, big Johnny will punish you!
Your actually Goliath and given the bible is your prime source of beliefs I'm sure you know what happened to him.
The situations you refer to are rare and only make the news because we don't think it is acceptable that our medical system lets down even ONE of our citizens. Can you say the same about your system?
QUOTE=zinfella;1330762]I prefer to be self reliant, and maintain my freedom, not to mention all of those extra tax dollars that Europeans are forced to pay. As for free health care under socialism, ask the Canadians why they come here for care when they're able. Why is it that people are trying to sneak into the US, if socialism is so good?
I'll go by the experts, actually, and I in fact did -- top dozen or so in the world today (two were in Italy, one in Germany, there's a great Greek scholar in Athens -- I also went over to England to look at much of the original papers done by the committees working on the KJV). I did my research, and as I said, this is the most up-to-the-minute research. Very few "translations" use the very earliest writings (the King James scholars didn't even have it, though as literature I consider that one of the most beautiful versions), and none of the modern English texts in circulation do at all, basing all of their work on multi-translated previous works. I have no problem with you believing God told each and every translator what to say, thus making each and every translation God's word, but I say you are incorrect in accordance with the findings of the latest scholars when you state that the translations you are reading are actually accurate compared to the original writings.
I don't believe God told each and every translator what to say. I just believe that generally they were Spirit-driven, as were those who wrote the original texts, and those who copied and translated them afterward. The point being that the Spirit has kept the message intact. We can go into all sorts of word studies, but in the end it's the message, not so much the messenger.
Incidentally, it was arguments that the gospels really were reliable books that convinced me to be a believer (and God's unique work in my life at that time aided it.) Sure, my bibles have footnotes of different manuscripts and their slight variations, but the overarching message is still there, intact. And I trust God enough with his word.
And yet, many Americans living near the Canadian border cross over into Canada to get medical treatment because they know Canadian doctors/hospitals won't turn them away. What about the Americans who come up for our cheaper medication?
The situations you refer to are rare and only make the news because we don't think it is acceptable that our medical system lets down even ONE of our citizens. Can you say the same about your system?
I prefer to be self reliant, and maintain my freedom, not to mention all of those extra tax dollars that Europeans are forced to pay. As for free health care under socialism, ask the Canadians why they come here for care when they're able. Why is it that people are trying to sneak into the US, if socialism is so good?
People like this are ineducable. They want all the perks of living in a society, but if anyone suggests that they should pay anything like their fair share to maintain it, they scream "Socialism!"
They also think, when they're allowed to keep all of "their" money, that it will still be worth something after they've destroyed the government that issued it. They live in a pure fantasy world where everything they get is sacred, and if somebody else doesn't have as much, or anything, it's because they're "lazy" or "trying to get something for nothing."
I happen to believe that we are a social species and we can't live like the lone predators these people fancy themselves as. What's so funny (not really) about the whole thing is that these very people are the most dependent on society working perfectly to maintain their illusions and their lifestyles. Fortunately (for them) they have a political party that's been in the ascendant for the last 28 years that has raised selfishness and greed to the level of a fucking philosophy!
This would be bad enough, but selfishness and greed don't sound as good as they might as a political platform, so they've been forced to climb into bed with the most fanatical religious nuts and the most mindlessly belligerent warmongers in order to form their ruling coalition. Now this unholy alliance is coming to the biggest train wreck in history, and where they go from here, I don't know. Their "base" (in most parties, that means the normal, non-crazy people, but in their case it means the most extreme fringe of the raving loons,) will be increasingly radicalized and undoubtedly will turn to domestic terrorism of some kind; not just family-planning clinics any more.
Short of a revolution, there is no way to eliminate that "two-thirds of the states with one-third of the population with a majority in the Electoral College" situation, because three-quarters of the states have to ratify a constitutional amendment. So what will happen? I don't know, but something has to. We've had one Civil War to end slavery (well, actually, to prevent its extension to the Territories) and if we have to have another one to eliminate the enslavement of the majority of the population by a frenzied red-state cabal of troglodytic Neanderthals, well, give me a gun!
I wonder if they had a bake sale to raise the 100k
I wonder if they had a bake sale to raise the 100k
I think you just figured out where FW400 went on the new notebooks. Figure 3M Macs sold for the holiday quarter, minus the 33¢ per machine to add FW400 port and controller, equals $100K.