She is correct, what you gays really want in an in your face way to annoy the rest of us. Self serving perverts, we do not want your sexuality on public display.
well yeah, I'm with ya 100% on that one. I think they should be dumping massive money into the top killers and stop wasting so much freakin money on crap like Viagra. Yeah, great, it helps some old people enjoy their lives more then they are 70+. Great, that's awesome that some old dude can get a hard on and we have hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people dying from Malaria every single year since we decided to, effectively, ban DDT...
Viagra is of low cost to manufacture and by it's original intent was just a side-effect observation that has turned into a billion dollar boon for the pharmacons.
Cancer isn't going anywhere and Viagra makes these companies truck loads of money to divert some back into Cancer research.
Wow... just... wow. You have some serious anger issues. I wouldn't even know where to begin with you other than I wish you well.
Nice deflection. You managed to mock the man's observations by implying they are deranged without any evidence to back it up. Now actually address his statements or ignore them and move along.
I've seen this thread turn into a giant cosmic cloud of tangential thoughts scattered across the full spectrum of people's personal demons to their fetishes.
Back on topic: Publicly traded corporations backing moral issues in the political arena violate their purpose of existence.
If Apple and Google want to back such civil minded issues then form a non-profit, have a member from each company sit on a board and work to resolving this amidst federal lawmakers.
Otherwise, get back to work and refine your products while providing compelling reasons for consumers to buy them.
Nice deflection. You managed to mock the man's observations by implying they are deranged without any evidence to back it up. Now actually address his statements or ignore them and move along.
Actually, I did, on Oct 26th (if you read the thread instead of attempting to insult people and failing you may have learned something)...
My comment was:
I'm saddened...
...that some people have chosen to use their fear and bigotry to legalize hate. Please, do not quote the bible. No one knows who it was written by, and for that matter, the bible may easily be spun to support ANY position (let us not forget that many used the bible to support slavery. To quote Coretta Scott King:
"?I appeal to everybody who believes in Martin Luther King, Jr.?s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbians and gay people,? (August 1, 2002) - may she rest in peace.
As someone who has studied the bible, many passages claim extreme religious views. Within the pages of the bible it advocates stoning disobedient children to death, makes it unlawful to wear fabric of mixed fibers or to eat anything from the water that has no fins or scales. It advocates slaughter and annihilation of "others" and those who don't conform. In the pages of the bible women are given over to gang rape and dismembered. Parents are told they must amputate bits from the penis of their sons. And we should admire such "wisdom" and look to it as a guide? I think not. It is a collection of fables, often with strong political agenda. Why should it be accorded more merit than Grimms Fairy Tales? How many of you would qualify for a stoning?
The bottom line, the people who cry fowl the most have something to hide. Let us not forget Mark Foley and Sen. Larry Craig, politicians who were extremely vocal in their opposition to homosexual rights. Guess what? THEY'RE GAY. Most heterosexuals who are comfortable with their sexuality don't care what two consenting adults do in their own homes. Why do two people who love each other, who vow to be with one another, threaten you so much? The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints gave MILLIONS to support Prop. 8, think of what all that money could have done to feed the hungry, give shelter to the poor. The real Jesus would have wanted that. If you truly believe in God and religion, then you would know that God created all men as equals, and loves all men unconditionally. Homosexuality has been proven to be genetic. More and more scientific evidence supports this reality. Who in their right mind would willingly chose to be hated, denied the same rights as heterosexual individuals, or be beaten and left for dead as Matthew Shephard (the FBI released statistics that have show sharp rises in hate crimes against homosexuals, most don't get reported in the news. A 15 year old named Lawrence King was shot twice in the back of his head by his fellow class mate this year in California, a gay couple is beaten or harassed every 15 minutes and all anyone can do is quote an antiquated book called the bible that talks about unicorns and stoning, it's RELIGULOUS).
I do not care what your personal beliefs are, but do not impose them on any one else. Two people are free to love each other, that does not infringe on your rights. All this amounts to is hatred and insecurity. If you truly care so much go out and do something positive, work in a homeless shelter, donate to groups who actually do positive work such as animal rescue or Habitats for Humanity. We live in a world in which more people rely on religion to start wars, and no one can even state with any certainty if what is written is fact. No one knows. What is fact is the here and now. Denying someone else the same rights that others have is bigotry, I do not care how you justify it. Putting a laughing emoticon after your statements of hate only solidifies that fact. Further, contrary to what someone stated, most people do not believe in laws such as Prop 8. In fact, the polls are now turning AGAINST it, as more and more people are breaking from the fear mongering of the conservative right and waking up to the reality that WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS. If you truly believe that homosexuals are less than human, then you are no further from the individuals who justified enslaving Africans. You are a bigot.
She is correct, what you gays really want in an in your face way to annoy the rest of us. Self serving perverts, we do not want your sexuality on public display.
Hmmm...It turns out that Apples market share is exactly proportional to gays as a percentage of the population.You don't own a Mac do you?
Men and women were also designed to go together because we are different in personality and spirit, and compliment each other.
Designed? by whom? Whatever your belief in god (mine being non-existent), it has no place in secular govt, so if that's your answer for why gay marriage shouldnt be permitted... here's a copy of the constitution, please refer to amendment 1 on your way out the door.
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Little boys like adventure and shooting games and swashbuckling. Little girls like dressing pretty and twirling in tutus and playing house.
I'd love to see you tell that to my violent game playing, tool wielding fiance.
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When we grow older and find a partner, strength melds with beauty, and the two compliment each other and become one. Our differences complete us
I've seen a great deal of gay and lesbian couples do just that you know.In general, I have to point out that, in fact, opposites do *not* attract when left to our natural devices, particular when the educational playing field and other such opportunities are leveled. Look up the term social propinquity. In addition to finding people of similar economic and social standing, people are also more likely to marry those with similar interests, quite often from the same workplace or school.
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Children need both as parents; they miss out on one or the other when there are only 2 dads or 2 moms.
The only peer review data I've seen on the issue that hasn't been debunked says quite the opposite. While it's been seen that in some cases there is a benefit to 2 *parent* households, the sex of the parents is insignificant. Additionally, the "normal" family doesnt exist in the US anymore and hasnt for ages if it ever really did. Between multi-generational homes, same-sex households, single parents, sibling age differences contributing to raising, etc, we have a *very* large makeup of types of households.
The contributing factor for raising a kid well is care and time.
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It's been said that when a society begins to lose gender distinction, it's in its final throes. You can see it in progress in the great old U. S. of A.
Where is it said? In your right-wing masturbatory fantasy of a world without those different from you?
WTF is gay marriage? i mean if you wanna be with someone of your same sex for the rest of your live so be it, but why would they even want to get marry on top of that. Apple please stop flushing shareholders money down the toilet and let People do what ever the heck they wanna do as long as it doesn't affect the company
What people do outside of the company is NO ONES BUSINESS. I think Apple is out of place supporting any agenda. Business is business and personal is personal.
Designed? by whom? Whatever your belief in god (mine being non-existent)The only peer review data I've seen on the issue that hasn't been debunked says quite the opposite. While it's been seen that in some cases there is a benefit to 2 *parent* households, the sex of the parents is insignificant. Additionally, the "normal" family doesnt exist in the US anymore and hasnt for ages if it ever really did. Between multi-generational homes, same-sex households, single parents, sibling age differences contributing to raising, etc, we have a *very* large makeup of types of households.
Gee.. you hit the head of the nail directly on. Homosexuality rises... Families decrease...You are actually supporting his argument here. It is because we've had the break down of the family that homosexuality has risen.
Man do you have it wrong. Is being Gay just as wrong as being Black was in the 60s or being a Woman in the 80s. All these arguments, religious and not, are the same ones used against Black and Women's rights, just tweaked a little differently for this situation. Change is coming...GET USED TO IT!
Dude.. this is NOT the same thing.. Gay people love to talk about Gay being a Physical characteristic.. this has NEVER BEEN PROVEN. Hello.. It's a THEORY! Being Black/White/Asian is a Genetic thing just like being white.. It's not the same thing.
Gee.. you hit the head of the nail directly on. Homosexuality rises... Families decrease...You are actually supporting his argument here. It is because we've had the break down of the family that homosexuality has risen.
I come from a single parent household and neither myself or brothers and sisters are gay.Out of all the people I know only one person I know of is gay and he comes from a two parent home, who are male and female and are still happily married in their seventies.What evidence do you have?
Gee.. you hit the head of the nail directly on. Homosexuality rises... Families decrease...You are actually supporting his argument here. It is because we've had the break down of the family that homosexuality has risen.
::blinks::
Huh?
OK, let me be more blunt. The "nuclear" family hasnt really been true of most americans. Certainly not true of many immigrant families (mostly multi-generational, very often with older siblings playing as much of hand in raising as the parents - which is whom most of us are descended from). BTW there is no correlation let alone evidence of causation of that to homosexuality, nor should the lack of a "normal" family even be considered a bad thing to begin with.
My point was that the idea that seemingly most conservatives keep trying to make that a 2 het parent, household is inherently better than, say, a 2 homosexual parent household (or many other forms of households) is false and has never been shown in any peer review study that has held up under scrutiny. The opposite, however, has.
I come from a single parent household and neither myself or brothers and sisters are gay.Out of all the people I know only one person I know of is gay and he comes from a two parent home, who are male and female and are still happily married in their seventies.What evidence do you have?
Umm dude.. that's hardly evidence. if it were.. it would be just as valid of the three homosexual's I know who came from broken homes/abusive where i came from a non-broken home/abusive home and I'm not gay.
Umm dude.. that's hardly evidence. if it were.. it would be just as valid of the three homosexual's I know who came from broken homes/abusive where i came from a non-broken home/abusive home and I'm not gay.
I don't argue that the break-up of the traditional family structure creates gays.If you think it does based on your experience that's fine with me.As far as I know their is no evidence from any study ever done to prove your point though.
I don't like McCain's plan all that well either as it would tax whatever my company is paying for my insurance but with 5k you can easily get insurance and I think allowing the people to decide what's best for them is better than a "one plan fits all" premise.
Don't you have ANY insurances in the US that you are legally obliged to take out? Serious question.
We do. Certain basic things you are legally obliged to ensure. Basic healthcare for instance.
Hospitals are obliged to help anyone, people are obliged to be insured. There is a relation between benefits and responsabilities in that logic.
We believe that to be able to garantuee healthcare for anyone, people need to be insured. This system isn't perfect for everyone either, but garantuees the same (very) basic healthcare for all citizens. You can take out extra insurances if you want.
There are more, to cover what we consider to be basic human needs. In most cases this type of insurance is payed for by taxes.We consider a part of our taxes as "citizen's insurance".
You have to be ensured for acidental damage against others. Welfare is seen as public insurance against unemployment. As is a basic pension for everyone. Companies must have certain insurances for themselves and their workers. ..., ...
I don't argue that the break-up of the traditional family structure creates gays.If you think it does based on your experience that's fine with me.As far as I know their is no evidence from any study ever done to prove your point though.
You see.. it works both ways.. There is no proven evidence that it doesn't either. Sometimes though.. it doesn't take a rocket scientist.
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She is correct, what you gays really want in an in your face way to annoy the rest of us. Self serving perverts, we do not want your sexuality on public display.
Are you gay?
Swhat you gays really want in an in your face way to annoy the rest of us.
And you know this how, exactly?
Self serving perverts,
Nope, none of those in the hetero ranks.
we do not want your sexuality on public display.
Speak for yourself, thanks.
A-MEN. I couldn't have written it better myself
well yeah, I'm with ya 100% on that one. I think they should be dumping massive money into the top killers and stop wasting so much freakin money on crap like Viagra. Yeah, great, it helps some old people enjoy their lives more then they are 70+. Great, that's awesome that some old dude can get a hard on and we have hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people dying from Malaria every single year since we decided to, effectively, ban DDT...
Viagra is of low cost to manufacture and by it's original intent was just a side-effect observation that has turned into a billion dollar boon for the pharmacons.
Cancer isn't going anywhere and Viagra makes these companies truck loads of money to divert some back into Cancer research.
Wow... just... wow. You have some serious anger issues. I wouldn't even know where to begin with you other than I wish you well.
Nice deflection. You managed to mock the man's observations by implying they are deranged without any evidence to back it up. Now actually address his statements or ignore them and move along.
Back on topic: Publicly traded corporations backing moral issues in the political arena violate their purpose of existence.
If Apple and Google want to back such civil minded issues then form a non-profit, have a member from each company sit on a board and work to resolving this amidst federal lawmakers.
Otherwise, get back to work and refine your products while providing compelling reasons for consumers to buy them.
Nice deflection. You managed to mock the man's observations by implying they are deranged without any evidence to back it up. Now actually address his statements or ignore them and move along.
Actually, I did, on Oct 26th (if you read the thread instead of attempting to insult people and failing you may have learned something)...
My comment was:
I'm saddened...
...that some people have chosen to use their fear and bigotry to legalize hate. Please, do not quote the bible. No one knows who it was written by, and for that matter, the bible may easily be spun to support ANY position (let us not forget that many used the bible to support slavery. To quote Coretta Scott King:
"?I appeal to everybody who believes in Martin Luther King, Jr.?s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbians and gay people,? (August 1, 2002) - may she rest in peace.
As someone who has studied the bible, many passages claim extreme religious views. Within the pages of the bible it advocates stoning disobedient children to death, makes it unlawful to wear fabric of mixed fibers or to eat anything from the water that has no fins or scales. It advocates slaughter and annihilation of "others" and those who don't conform. In the pages of the bible women are given over to gang rape and dismembered. Parents are told they must amputate bits from the penis of their sons. And we should admire such "wisdom" and look to it as a guide? I think not. It is a collection of fables, often with strong political agenda. Why should it be accorded more merit than Grimms Fairy Tales? How many of you would qualify for a stoning?
The bottom line, the people who cry fowl the most have something to hide. Let us not forget Mark Foley and Sen. Larry Craig, politicians who were extremely vocal in their opposition to homosexual rights. Guess what? THEY'RE GAY. Most heterosexuals who are comfortable with their sexuality don't care what two consenting adults do in their own homes. Why do two people who love each other, who vow to be with one another, threaten you so much? The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints gave MILLIONS to support Prop. 8, think of what all that money could have done to feed the hungry, give shelter to the poor. The real Jesus would have wanted that. If you truly believe in God and religion, then you would know that God created all men as equals, and loves all men unconditionally. Homosexuality has been proven to be genetic. More and more scientific evidence supports this reality. Who in their right mind would willingly chose to be hated, denied the same rights as heterosexual individuals, or be beaten and left for dead as Matthew Shephard (the FBI released statistics that have show sharp rises in hate crimes against homosexuals, most don't get reported in the news. A 15 year old named Lawrence King was shot twice in the back of his head by his fellow class mate this year in California, a gay couple is beaten or harassed every 15 minutes and all anyone can do is quote an antiquated book called the bible that talks about unicorns and stoning, it's RELIGULOUS).
I do not care what your personal beliefs are, but do not impose them on any one else. Two people are free to love each other, that does not infringe on your rights. All this amounts to is hatred and insecurity. If you truly care so much go out and do something positive, work in a homeless shelter, donate to groups who actually do positive work such as animal rescue or Habitats for Humanity. We live in a world in which more people rely on religion to start wars, and no one can even state with any certainty if what is written is fact. No one knows. What is fact is the here and now. Denying someone else the same rights that others have is bigotry, I do not care how you justify it. Putting a laughing emoticon after your statements of hate only solidifies that fact. Further, contrary to what someone stated, most people do not believe in laws such as Prop 8. In fact, the polls are now turning AGAINST it, as more and more people are breaking from the fear mongering of the conservative right and waking up to the reality that WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS. If you truly believe that homosexuals are less than human, then you are no further from the individuals who justified enslaving Africans. You are a bigot.
She is correct, what you gays really want in an in your face way to annoy the rest of us. Self serving perverts, we do not want your sexuality on public display.
Hmmm...It turns out that Apples market share is exactly proportional to gays as a percentage of the population.You don't own a Mac do you?
Men and women were also designed to go together because we are different in personality and spirit, and compliment each other.
Designed? by whom? Whatever your belief in god (mine being non-existent), it has no place in secular govt, so if that's your answer for why gay marriage shouldnt be permitted... here's a copy of the constitution, please refer to amendment 1 on your way out the door.
Little boys like adventure and shooting games and swashbuckling. Little girls like dressing pretty and twirling in tutus and playing house.
I'd love to see you tell that to my violent game playing, tool wielding fiance.
When we grow older and find a partner, strength melds with beauty, and the two compliment each other and become one. Our differences complete us
I've seen a great deal of gay and lesbian couples do just that you know.In general, I have to point out that, in fact, opposites do *not* attract when left to our natural devices, particular when the educational playing field and other such opportunities are leveled. Look up the term social propinquity. In addition to finding people of similar economic and social standing, people are also more likely to marry those with similar interests, quite often from the same workplace or school.
Children need both as parents; they miss out on one or the other when there are only 2 dads or 2 moms.
The only peer review data I've seen on the issue that hasn't been debunked says quite the opposite. While it's been seen that in some cases there is a benefit to 2 *parent* households, the sex of the parents is insignificant. Additionally, the "normal" family doesnt exist in the US anymore and hasnt for ages if it ever really did. Between multi-generational homes, same-sex households, single parents, sibling age differences contributing to raising, etc, we have a *very* large makeup of types of households.
The contributing factor for raising a kid well is care and time.
It's been said that when a society begins to lose gender distinction, it's in its final throes. You can see it in progress in the great old U. S. of A.
Where is it said? In your right-wing masturbatory fantasy of a world without those different from you?
WTF is gay marriage? i mean if you wanna be with someone of your same sex for the rest of your live so be it, but why would they even want to get marry on top of that. Apple please stop flushing shareholders money down the toilet and let People do what ever the heck they wanna do as long as it doesn't affect the company
What people do outside of the company is NO ONES BUSINESS. I think Apple is out of place supporting any agenda. Business is business and personal is personal.
Designed? by whom? Whatever your belief in god (mine being non-existent)The only peer review data I've seen on the issue that hasn't been debunked says quite the opposite. While it's been seen that in some cases there is a benefit to 2 *parent* households, the sex of the parents is insignificant. Additionally, the "normal" family doesnt exist in the US anymore and hasnt for ages if it ever really did. Between multi-generational homes, same-sex households, single parents, sibling age differences contributing to raising, etc, we have a *very* large makeup of types of households.
Gee.. you hit the head of the nail directly on. Homosexuality rises... Families decrease...You are actually supporting his argument here. It is because we've had the break down of the family that homosexuality has risen.
Man do you have it wrong. Is being Gay just as wrong as being Black was in the 60s or being a Woman in the 80s. All these arguments, religious and not, are the same ones used against Black and Women's rights, just tweaked a little differently for this situation. Change is coming...GET USED TO IT!
Dude.. this is NOT the same thing.. Gay people love to talk about Gay being a Physical characteristic.. this has NEVER BEEN PROVEN. Hello.. It's a THEORY! Being Black/White/Asian is a Genetic thing just like being white.. It's not the same thing.
Gee.. you hit the head of the nail directly on. Homosexuality rises... Families decrease...You are actually supporting his argument here. It is because we've had the break down of the family that homosexuality has risen.
I come from a single parent household and neither myself or brothers and sisters are gay.Out of all the people I know only one person I know of is gay and he comes from a two parent home, who are male and female and are still happily married in their seventies.What evidence do you have?
Gee.. you hit the head of the nail directly on. Homosexuality rises... Families decrease...You are actually supporting his argument here. It is because we've had the break down of the family that homosexuality has risen.
::blinks::
Huh?
OK, let me be more blunt. The "nuclear" family hasnt really been true of most americans. Certainly not true of many immigrant families (mostly multi-generational, very often with older siblings playing as much of hand in raising as the parents - which is whom most of us are descended from). BTW there is no correlation let alone evidence of causation of that to homosexuality, nor should the lack of a "normal" family even be considered a bad thing to begin with.
My point was that the idea that seemingly most conservatives keep trying to make that a 2 het parent, household is inherently better than, say, a 2 homosexual parent household (or many other forms of households) is false and has never been shown in any peer review study that has held up under scrutiny. The opposite, however, has.
Somehow that flew right over your head
I come from a single parent household and neither myself or brothers and sisters are gay.Out of all the people I know only one person I know of is gay and he comes from a two parent home, who are male and female and are still happily married in their seventies.What evidence do you have?
Umm dude.. that's hardly evidence. if it were.. it would be just as valid of the three homosexual's I know who came from broken homes/abusive where i came from a non-broken home/abusive home and I'm not gay.
Umm dude.. that's hardly evidence. if it were.. it would be just as valid of the three homosexual's I know who came from broken homes/abusive where i came from a non-broken home/abusive home and I'm not gay.
Again,what studies prove your point.
Again,what studies prove your point.
The Same ones that back up yours..
The Same ones that back up yours..
I don't argue that the break-up of the traditional family structure creates gays.If you think it does based on your experience that's fine with me.As far as I know their is no evidence from any study ever done to prove your point though.
I don't like McCain's plan all that well either as it would tax whatever my company is paying for my insurance but with 5k you can easily get insurance and I think allowing the people to decide what's best for them is better than a "one plan fits all" premise.
Don't you have ANY insurances in the US that you are legally obliged to take out? Serious question.
We do. Certain basic things you are legally obliged to ensure. Basic healthcare for instance.
Hospitals are obliged to help anyone, people are obliged to be insured. There is a relation between benefits and responsabilities in that logic.
We believe that to be able to garantuee healthcare for anyone, people need to be insured. This system isn't perfect for everyone either, but garantuees the same (very) basic healthcare for all citizens. You can take out extra insurances if you want.
There are more, to cover what we consider to be basic human needs. In most cases this type of insurance is payed for by taxes.We consider a part of our taxes as "citizen's insurance".
You have to be ensured for acidental damage against others. Welfare is seen as public insurance against unemployment. As is a basic pension for everyone. Companies must have certain insurances for themselves and their workers. ..., ...
I don't argue that the break-up of the traditional family structure creates gays.If you think it does based on your experience that's fine with me.As far as I know their is no evidence from any study ever done to prove your point though.
You see.. it works both ways.. There is no proven evidence that it doesn't either. Sometimes though.. it doesn't take a rocket scientist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology...al_orientation