Microsoft's Windows 7 to bring Apple-tinged design changes

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  • Reply 21 of 122
    It's make or break time now Microsoft, better cross those fingers.
  • Reply 22 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VisualZone View Post


    http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/











    It sure does look FAR better
  • Reply 23 of 122
    mactoidmactoid Posts: 112member
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    Originally Posted by nutts View Post


    Anyway, nobody has yet mentioned here what other people have been rumouring at for a while - that Microsoft is most likely heading for a mid-2009 release of Windows 7. So we'll have this and 10.6 out at about the same time. I really think that is a possibility. Thoughts?



    I think MS has long, sordid history of delaying OS updates long after their announced dates. MS needs to cut bait and write an OS for the future, not try to drag every legacy system along in their wake.
  • Reply 24 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kkerst View Post


    I believe Apple recently filed a patent for the doc, so they can't copy it without getting sued or paying Apple to use it.



    I believe it was only for the magnification. Plus we dont really know what they signed together that time, I'm guessing they have patent share agreement on certain UI elements together.
  • Reply 25 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kkerst View Post


    I believe Apple recently filed a patent for the doc, so they can't copy it without getting sued or paying Apple to use it.



    actually Apple filed for a patent 7-8 years ago (i'm not sure exactly) it was just recently ( i think this month) that they were awarded the patent! way to go patent office for being quick!
  • Reply 26 of 122
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,904member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by appler0x View Post


    Apple uses the perfect amount of eye candy in OS X; Microsoft completely overdoes it in Windows.



    Most well designed products I've seen/used have been understated, as much about what's left out than what's included.



    One question, how to you clear the Windows to get to the gadgets then how do you clear the gadgets to get to the desktop?



    McD
  • Reply 27 of 122
    wircwirc Posts: 302member
    "Pre-beta"?



    Is that like an "alpha"?
  • Reply 28 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by McDave View Post


    Most well designed products I've seen/used have been understated, as much about what's left out than what's included.



    One question, how to you clear the Windows to get to the gadgets then how do you clear the gadgets to get to the desktop?



    McD



    in XP you can use Windows+D or the show desktop shortcut in the quick launch bar. I assume it will be similar.
  • Reply 29 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by UltimateKylie View Post


    Oh, just quit it.



    #1) The sidebar is clearly STILL visible. In Vista you can move the gadgets out of the sidebar and place then anywhere. And unlike Dashboard they are always visible on the desktop and can be open and visible while another app is open so you can reference RSS feeds or weather or the calendar.



    #2) In OS X, you have the menu bar and the dock. The dock doesn't cover the whole area of the screen unless it is filled with apps. The taskbar covers the whole bottom area of the screen, including the start menu. You don't have stacks. You do have task notifications that in OS X you get from the menu bar not the dock (or taskbar) The only difference REALLY from Vista or Windows 95 is that there is no text associated with open apps.



    But hey... Oh well, why get OS X *when all the OS X people say Windows looks just like it but works with my existing apps and has Windows Media Center which is so much better than Front Row and comes free with a cheaper PC.



    THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO PROMOTE OS X



    Let's look at dollar figures:
    • Apple spent $844 million on R&D in the calendar year 2007

    • Microsoft spent $7.5 billion in research and development in fiscal 2007

    In my neighborhood, the guy over there who makes $7.5 billion drives a much better car than I do, has a bigger, nicer house than I have, and his trophy wife, although not smart, is much better looking than my wife, which only makes sense since I only make $844 million.



    Now, why doesn't that same logic apply to Apple and Microsoft? Microsoft should have Minority Report-style interfaces in beta, not inferior OS X Leopard copies, what with all the resources they have at their disposal. If money doesn't buy you the resources you need to blow away the competition, than I don't know what does.



    And if you want to get even more dumbfounded by their lack of initiative and effort, look at some of the Linux releases, which are done on a budget that probably rivals Microsoft HQ's janitorial budget. (I just clicked on that Dreamlinux link up above and it looks nearly as good, if not better, than Windows 7 already.)
  • Reply 30 of 122
    It's a left aligned dock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    To be honest that's an improvement. I constantly get annoyed at work when using Windows because I like my taskbar buttons to be in a certain order because it's quicker than looking across the taskbar to find what I want. And if a program crashes this all gets screwed up. OS X doesn't suffer from this problem because the task switcher is also the program launcher and the icons stay in the same order.



    On one hand I'm happy that M$ are improving the Windows UI which they managed to take backwards with Vista (give me Windows 2000 any day), but their problem with Vista has been lots of inconsistency with previous versions of Windows - and of course they're going to continue that now that they're changing things round again.



    That new taskbar owes as much to certain Linux distros as it does to OS X.
  • Reply 31 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mariofreak85 View Post


    there are ways: http://mac.elated.com/2008/07/27/how...-your-desktop/



    Thank you for that Its shame its has to be a bit difficult as opposed to true drag and drop but it will do for now. I guess I should fire off a suggestion on Apple.com and hope true drag and drop is included in Snow Leopard.



    Now for some more hard talk. I'm sorry for those of you who think that Apple has a copyright or patent on Transparent. I find Aero is way different than Aqua. Both are very nice.



    Second on your Jealousy (as that is all it is) of Windows' Marketshare. Grow up, it turns me off and makes me wanto return my Mac. Must people don't like cultish fanbois and you are foolish if you think it helps Apple and OS X in anyway. Even Steve Jobs has referenced this.



    And I think part of it may be that Windows 7 includes new features while Snow Leopard is a rewrite of things like Finder in Cocoa. Maybe some are afraid Snow Leopard will appear stagnant. I read the bug list for the latest beta release to Developers and its quite huge, but that is expected with a rewrite. Every review of Windows 7 Pre Beta has remarked how stable it is, and makes them think it will be ready in no time. So don't dilude yourself, Windows 7 will drop next year and be stable. Though, honestly I haven't had any issues on Vista, I use everyday as my TV DVR. My biggest waiting list from Windows 7 will be even better WMC and DirecTV HD support with the USB DirecTV Box. An OS should be a preference and chosen based on what features you need it gives you, not based on blind fanboyism.



    I wish Steve Jobs would make a DVR... focus on better front row. But I guess iTunes Store brings in alot of money. I do like the rewrite of OS X, but the focus will be if it increases stability and more importantly increases the power available to users. As the people that buy a new iPod or new Windows all the time might be blinded by more features (which is why they upgrade the iPod).
  • Reply 32 of 122
    <rant>



    OK, this is coming from a longtime Windows user who still thinks Windows XP was not a horrible OS (though it is terribly, terribly outdated now). When, oh, when will Microsoft stop extracting every drop of "cool" from computing? Yes, I understand that the GUI is not the only part of an OS, but for the sake of all that is good and holy, someone stop Microsoft from turning my computer into what looks like a toy for a three-year-old. OSX looks cool. Compiz Fusion on Linux looks cool. Hell, the menus on my digital camera look cool compared to any version of Windows. Cool can be easy to use. Cool can be efficient. Cool can be functional. Why doesn't Microsoft realize this?



    Here's a clue, Microsoft:
    1. Work the bugs out of Vista (you're doing this now with Windows 7)

    2. Rewrite the code to use 1/4 of it's current size and run twice as fast

    3. Make an original, cool, skinable GUI that doesn't look like a Fisher Price toy

    4. Hire some other company to write a Windows version of iLife and include it with the OS

    5. Integrate the OS and bundled apps wiith free access to your new cloud computing service

    Once you're done with that, fire everyone in your marketing department and let your software engineers write your advertising materials.



    Trust me on this one.



    Until then, I'll be using OSX and Ubuntu.



    </rant>



    -Switchy McSwitcher
  • Reply 33 of 122
    ivladivlad Posts: 742member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by UltimateKylie View Post


    Oh, just quit it.



    #1) The sidebar is clearly STILL visible. In Vista you can move the gadgets out of the sidebar and place then anywhere. And unlike Dashboard they are always visible on the desktop and can be open and visible while another app is open so you can reference RSS feeds or weather or the calendar.



    #2) In OS X, you have the menu bar and the dock. The dock doesn't cover the whole area of the screen unless it is filled with apps. The taskbar covers the whole bottom area of the screen, including the start menu. You don't have stacks. You do have task notifications that in OS X you get from the menu bar not the dock (or taskbar) The only difference REALLY from Vista or Windows 95 is that there is no text associated with open apps.



    But hey... Oh well, why get OS X *when all the OS X people say Windows looks just like it but works with my existing apps and has Windows Media Center which is so much better than Front Row and comes free with a cheaper PC.



    THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO PROMOTE OS X



    Next Microsoft will be accused of copying OS X if they include notepad. *OMG, our OS has textedit. How dare they. I really don't see this copying that you see. Yes features from other OSs will be implemented in each other. Just like every OS has text editor, or has a browser (OMG, They copied Microsoft and bundled) or now RSS, and now Gadgets or Widgets. Personally I wish there was a way to move the Widgets to the desktop and keep them open and viewable while I work on something else.



    You need to admit that Windows copied Apple, that's all. No one cares with these nitpicking details. Broad picture is that Windows will always copy someone else. Yeah, and your Windows Media Center came right after Front Row was a new feature in Tiger.



    Just go ahead and buy that Cheaper PC and be happy. Why come here and express your anger towards Windows. I guess you've watched too many windows ads.
  • Reply 34 of 122
    ivladivlad Posts: 742member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SwitchyMcSwitcher View Post


    <rant>



    OK, this is coming from a longtime Windows user who still thinks Windows XP was not a horrible OS (though it is terribly, terribly outdated now). When, oh, when will Microsoft stop extracting every drop of "cool" from computing? Yes, I understand that the GUI is not the only part of an OS, but for the sake of all that is good and holy, someone stop Microsoft from turning my computer into what looks like a toy for a three-year-old. OSX looks cool. Compiz Fusion on Linux looks cool. Hell, the menus on my digital camera look cool compared to any version of Windows. Cool can be easy to use. Cool can be efficient. Cool can be functional. Why doesn't Microsoft realize this?



    Here's a clue, Microsoft:
    1. Work the bugs out of Vista (you're doing this now with Windows 7)

    2. Rewrite the code to use 1/4 of it's current size and run twice as fast

    3. Make an original, cool, skinable GUI that doesn't look like a Fisher Price toy

    4. Hire some other company to write a Windows version of iLife and include it with the OS

    5. Integrate the OS and bundled apps wiith free access to your new cloud computing service

    Once you're done with that, fire everyone in your marketing department and let your software engineers write your advertising materials.



    Trust me on this one.



    Until then, I'll be using OSX and Ubuntu.



    </rant>



    -Switchy McSwitcher



    Good job. Windows people actually read all Apple blogs and follow everything, how else would they know what to copy and what is popular. =) I hope they take notes. =)
  • Reply 35 of 122
  • Reply 36 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by macinthe408 View Post


    Let's look at dollar figures:
    • Apple spent $844 million on R&D in the calendar year 2007

    • Microsoft spent $7.5 billion in research and development in fiscal 2007

    In my neighborhood, the guy over there who makes $7.5 billion drives a much better car than I do, has a bigger, nicer house than I have, and his trophy wife, although not smart, is much better looking than my wife, which only makes sense since I only make $844 million.



    Now, why doesn't that same logic apply to Apple and Microsoft? Microsoft should have Minority Report-style interfaces in beta, not inferior OS X Leopard copies, what with all the resources they have at their disposal. If money doesn't buy you the resources you need to blow away the competition, than I don't know what does.



    And if you want to get even more dumbfounded by their lack of initiative and effort, look at some of the Linux releases, which are done on a budget that probably rivals Microsoft HQ's janitorial budget. (I just clicked on that Dreamlinux link up above and it looks nearly as good, if not better, than Windows 7 already.)



    Well Linux needs a total rewrite in GUI department, as no matter how well its looks it doesn't behave as well as OS X or Windows. I have always found that in Ubuntu, Mandrivia, or SuSe. You can click on an App and it won't load, the little icon bounces like on OS X, but nothing ever happens. I think a big part of this is the lack of proper integration of the code that runs the software and the GUI, it almost feels like the program is running in DOS and then has to send its GUI to Windows 3.1. No matter what version of KDE or GNOME it is... I have always felt this and honestly think the whole way the OS handles GUI needs to be scrapped with probably ditching Xorg for another flavour. That was my biggest worry with OS X, is that it would handle this way but it doesn't probably because the whole GUI is written from scratch with Aqua in mind, so it doesn't matter that the sub is UNIX based. It also probably helps that the Kernel of OS X and Windows are BOTH similar with a Hybrid Kernel. Linux is NOT a Hybrid Kernel, and this is more suited in my opinion to server tasks which it excels at.



    Second to R&D. Microsoft has alot of products it does R&D to, not just the GUI of Windows 7. Personally I like Aero. I'm not sure on the new taskbar. I will have to play with it first. Products probably include the next version of the Xbox (gaming consoles take alot of R&D, ask Sony) and products like Office, Windows Server (which can't freeload off of MySQL and Apache), and new products like Expression, Silverlight, Dynamics. Not to mention Microsoft Surface. Microsoft is working on alot of fronts much more than what Apple is working on. Apple doesn't have to test new DVR Technology or work to partner with DirecTV.



    R&D is GOOD for the tech industry, and alot of things like the Xbox 360 i'm very happy for. Microsoft actually shares those technologies with others, including allow Netflix to protect its rentals (as not protecting them is stupid) when Apple refuses to share its DRM with Netflix. Now if only Netflix would have good movies for free streaming... lol
  • Reply 37 of 122
    ivladivlad Posts: 742member
    It comes to a clear reality check-point. Although Windows was the base to a lot of modern day culture, they sure can't hire people. Big difference between Apple and Windows. Windows just make really ugly products and software, Apple spends more time adjusting typography in its OS than windows fixing its bugs.



    Even if Windows is copying Apple, they are very obvious. They take some feature and add something to it to make it look like its their original design. Yet Apple perfecting its design structure and originality, windows just add icons next to EVERYTHING.



    Adding icons to text makes it twice as long for our eyes to find what we need. Its like showing circles of colors and naming colors underneath. (its only useful if someone is colorblind)



    Windows just don't study design, interface and phycology . As computers become more and more tied to our lives, this is the time to create better and easier OS. That's how Apple is winning so many people, yet they spend 10 times less on their OS.



    Take notes Windows.
  • Reply 38 of 122
    ipeonipeon Posts: 1,122member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Mousing over any active program's icon in the taskbar shows all open windows, while users can also quickly peek at the larger contents of a window just by mousing over the thumbnail, which temporarily brings the window to the front.



    That is such a typical MS blunder. Gimmicks that get in your way. This is the most annoying thing about Windows. What if that is not what you want it to do, or what if you inadvertently mouse over an icon while doing something? Your attention is immediately pulled away. So annoying.
  • Reply 39 of 122
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 9,989member
    I really don't know how Windows fanboys can look at themselves in the mirror and not puke. Do they really think they have a superior platform? It boggles the mind. Really. According to one colleague at work he has to spend at least one hour every day unfucking Windows just so his wife or son can use their computer.
  • Reply 40 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iVlad View Post


    You need to admit that Windows copied Apple, that's all. No one cares with these nitpicking details. Broad picture is that Windows will always copy someone else. Yeah, and your Windows Media Center came right after Front Row was a new feature in Tiger.



    Just go ahead and buy that Cheaper PC and be happy. Why come here and express your anger towards Windows. I guess you've watched too many windows ads.



    Idiot Apple Fanbois.... Windows Media Center was released in 2002... Tiger in 2005. OMG... IDIOT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Center



    And yes, I did use Windows XP Media Center Edition before I got Vista.



    Why do I come here... because I own Apple products and like to be kept up to date on new products and other rumors. But I do think the attacks on Microsoft and Windows are childish.



    However, just because I own a Macbook doesn't make me a blind fanboi. I love WMC on my HP Slimline... the best TV experience ever with my Xbox 360s extending that experience to other rooms.
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