Wow. Direct podcast downloads. Hmmmmm...... This has been avail on other phones for quite some time. Leave it to Apple to make something old, appear as something new and the faithful to jump on the bandwagon.
It is new on the iPhone. I don't understand this mentality that if something has been done on another phone its old for everyone.
Apple had to write new code to get it all working, so this new for them.
If these old features were all that great on the other phones the iPhone would not be selling so well.
So now its because they had low expectations of the device, what about the blackberry users they surveyed, come up with something better, you getting real desperate, but I guess your anti iPhone stance is clouding your judgement.
Since the iPhone is competing against the Blackberry in the US. Your statement is essentially saying the Blackberry is not very good and the iPhone is able to easily beat it.
What phones around the world are considered better for business than the BB?
It is new on the iPhone. I don't understand this mentality that if something has been done on another phone its old for everyone.
Apple had to write new code to get it all working, so this new for them.
If these old features were all that great on the other phones the iPhone would not be selling so well.
Great point. I will concede this, however and I think you will agree with this, the coding of this was a no brainer for Apple. It is my opinion that Apple is releasing things in dribs and drabs and marketing, selling, positioning, etc... as new and innovative because they know that Apple users generally do not look at the content of what is released but the fact that Apple put something new out. If you stop and look at many of Apple so-called innovations, you will see that they are not new but packaged in a nice flashy wrapper and marketed well.
I will bet you a frozen pizza of your choice that when the podcast downloading feature is released, it will be with mucho fanfare and marketing glitz.
How about posting this magical survey so I can pick it and you apart. As for my anti-iPhone stance. Just because I do not live in Steve Jobs pants does not mean that I am anti-iPhone. I am anti-selling BS and passing it off as manna from heaven. Apparently you have no problem drinking the Kool-Aid.
So I guess you know more than the people at JD Power or are they also Apple fanboys?
Since the iPhone is competing against the Blackberry in the US. Your statement is essentially saying the Blackberry is not very good and the iPhone is able to easily beat it.
What phones around the world are considered better for business than the BB?
Nice point. The iPhone is not a real biz phone. When it can store and forward docs natively, send vCards, and vCals, and the other basic biz features then it can be considered a biz phone. Until then it simply has biz potential.
Since the iPhone is competing against the Blackberry in the US. Your statement is essentially saying the Blackberry is not very good and the iPhone is able to easily beat it.
What phones around the world are considered better for business than the BB?
I am not saying the BB is no good, he stated the people surveyed for the survey who are using the iphone are clueless, so I asked him about the BB users surveyed?
I am not saying the BB is no good, he stated the people surveyed for the survey who are using the iphone are clueless, so I asked him about the BB users surveyed?
Beep, beep, beep. The sound of backing up.
Fact, the BB is probably the best device used in North America. However, around the world many to most would argue that the Nokia Communicator series is the best device for enterprises.
My argument was with those surveyed. Many North American users are used to the BB system and have little background on other enterprise systems, so yes Americans are sort of blinded by the lower expectations that the iPhone offers as an enterprise device.
Fact, the BB is probably the best device used in North America. However, around the world many to most would argue that the Nokia Communicator series is the best device for enterprises.
My argument was with those surveyed. Many North American users are used to the BB system and have little background on other enterprise systems, so yes Americans are sort of blinded by the lower expectations that the iPhone offers as an enterprise device.
That is your opinion, and that's just what it is your opinion.
Okay. It only took you two posts to deliver an article that basically said what I was stating. As a lightweight device, with ease of use, the iPhone is great but for real biz usage it is lacking and fails as an enterprise device. Our IT guys looked at it and laughed. Their opinion was that it is not an enterprise device. It is lacking in even the most basic of features that we use on a daily basis.
Okay. It only took you two posts to deliver an article that basically said what I was stating. As a lightweight device, with ease of use, the iPhone is great but for real biz usage it is lacking and fails as an enterprise device. Our IT guys looked at it and laughed. Their opinion was that it is not an enterprise device. It is lacking in even the most basic of features that we use on a daily basis.
Great point. I will concede this, however and I think you will agree with this, the coding of this was a no brainer for Apple. It is my opinion that Apple is releasing things in dribs and drabs and marketing, selling, positioning, etc...
I'm sure it wasn't the most difficult thing to do. At the same time the code had to be written and debugged. Apple only has so many engineers. I imagine it was on the to do list and they got to it after taking care of things that were of higher priority.
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...as new and innovative because they know that Apple users generally do not look at the content of what is released but the fact that Apple put something new out. If you stop and look at many of Apple so-called innovations, you will see that they are not new but packaged in a nice flashy wrapper and marketed well.
Its true Apple does not make many things that are new. Apple's strength is more in taking something that has been done before and doing it better. Designing a better UI and making it easy and fun to use.
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I will bet you a frozen pizza of your choice that when the podcast downloading feature is released, it will be with mucho fanfare and marketing glitz.
You think the reason for this will be because people treat Apple as though they invented it. But we know Apple did not invent downloading podcasts. The reason for this is because the podcast feature will work better than most others.
I'm looking around. But I haven't found any evidence that supports or denies this assertion.
In the US BB is the enterprise favorite. BB was the best selling line of smartphones in the US in 2007. Nokia has very little US marketshare.
HI Tenobell,
the key to my statement was the word globally. I was not including the US market as as there is a very small Nokia footprint there. I was transferred to one of our European offices where the IT guys are allowed to pick their devices to support and deploy. BB was an option but at the end of the day, they went with Communicators. I found this to be almost homogenous throughout the entire European office structure. At no time was the iPhone considered. We have a few laying around and the IT guys test them from time to time but at the end of the day, they feel that for the enterprise they are lacking.
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Wow. Direct podcast downloads. Hmmmmm...... This has been avail on other phones for quite some time. Leave it to Apple to make something old, appear as something new and the faithful to jump on the bandwagon.
It is new on the iPhone. I don't understand this mentality that if something has been done on another phone its old for everyone.
Apple had to write new code to get it all working, so this new for them.
If these old features were all that great on the other phones the iPhone would not be selling so well.
So now its because they had low expectations of the device, what about the blackberry users they surveyed, come up with something better, you getting real desperate, but I guess your anti iPhone stance is clouding your judgement.
Since the iPhone is competing against the Blackberry in the US. Your statement is essentially saying the Blackberry is not very good and the iPhone is able to easily beat it.
What phones around the world are considered better for business than the BB?
It is new on the iPhone. I don't understand this mentality that if something has been done on another phone its old for everyone.
Apple had to write new code to get it all working, so this new for them.
If these old features were all that great on the other phones the iPhone would not be selling so well.
Great point. I will concede this, however and I think you will agree with this, the coding of this was a no brainer for Apple. It is my opinion that Apple is releasing things in dribs and drabs and marketing, selling, positioning, etc... as new and innovative because they know that Apple users generally do not look at the content of what is released but the fact that Apple put something new out. If you stop and look at many of Apple so-called innovations, you will see that they are not new but packaged in a nice flashy wrapper and marketed well.
I will bet you a frozen pizza of your choice that when the podcast downloading feature is released, it will be with mucho fanfare and marketing glitz.
How about posting this magical survey so I can pick it and you apart. As for my anti-iPhone stance. Just because I do not live in Steve Jobs pants does not mean that I am anti-iPhone. I am anti-selling BS and passing it off as manna from heaven. Apparently you have no problem drinking the Kool-Aid.
So I guess you know more than the people at JD Power or are they also Apple fanboys?
Since the iPhone is competing against the Blackberry in the US. Your statement is essentially saying the Blackberry is not very good and the iPhone is able to easily beat it.
What phones around the world are considered better for business than the BB?
Nice point. The iPhone is not a real biz phone. When it can store and forward docs natively, send vCards, and vCals, and the other basic biz features then it can be considered a biz phone. Until then it simply has biz potential.
So I guess you know more than the people at JD Power or are they also Apple fanboys?
Hmmm..... No link......
I guess your argument is just like the proposed tethering functionality. Until it appears, it does not exist.
Since the iPhone is competing against the Blackberry in the US. Your statement is essentially saying the Blackberry is not very good and the iPhone is able to easily beat it.
What phones around the world are considered better for business than the BB?
I am not saying the BB is no good, he stated the people surveyed for the survey who are using the iphone are clueless, so I asked him about the BB users surveyed?
Hmmm..... No link......
I guess your argument is just like the proposed tethering functionality. Until it appears, it does not exist.
Here is the link:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/27575986
and for tethering coming: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10083957-37.html
I am not saying the BB is no good, he stated the people surveyed for the survey who are using the iphone are clueless, so I asked him about the BB users surveyed?
Beep, beep, beep. The sound of backing up.
Fact, the BB is probably the best device used in North America. However, around the world many to most would argue that the Nokia Communicator series is the best device for enterprises.
My argument was with those surveyed. Many North American users are used to the BB system and have little background on other enterprise systems, so yes Americans are sort of blinded by the lower expectations that the iPhone offers as an enterprise device.
Beep, beep, beep. The sound of backing up.
Fact, the BB is probably the best device used in North America. However, around the world many to most would argue that the Nokia Communicator series is the best device for enterprises.
My argument was with those surveyed. Many North American users are used to the BB system and have little background on other enterprise systems, so yes Americans are sort of blinded by the lower expectations that the iPhone offers as an enterprise device.
That is your opinion, and that's just what it is your opinion.
Here is the link:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/27575986
and for tethering coming: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10083957-37.html
Okay. It only took you two posts to deliver an article that basically said what I was stating. As a lightweight device, with ease of use, the iPhone is great but for real biz usage it is lacking and fails as an enterprise device. Our IT guys looked at it and laughed. Their opinion was that it is not an enterprise device. It is lacking in even the most basic of features that we use on a daily basis.
That is your opinion, and that's just what it is your opinion.
Prove me wrong that globally the Communicator series from Nokia is not considered one of the best if not the best enterprise device.
Prove that the BB is not the hands on favorite device of enterprises and even the US govt.
Clock is ticking. You can even call in a lifeline if you want.
Okay. It only took you two posts to deliver an article that basically said what I was stating. As a lightweight device, with ease of use, the iPhone is great but for real biz usage it is lacking and fails as an enterprise device. Our IT guys looked at it and laughed. Their opinion was that it is not an enterprise device. It is lacking in even the most basic of features that we use on a daily basis.
LOL, dide you actually read the friggin article?
Great point. I will concede this, however and I think you will agree with this, the coding of this was a no brainer for Apple. It is my opinion that Apple is releasing things in dribs and drabs and marketing, selling, positioning, etc...
I'm sure it wasn't the most difficult thing to do. At the same time the code had to be written and debugged. Apple only has so many engineers. I imagine it was on the to do list and they got to it after taking care of things that were of higher priority.
...as new and innovative because they know that Apple users generally do not look at the content of what is released but the fact that Apple put something new out. If you stop and look at many of Apple so-called innovations, you will see that they are not new but packaged in a nice flashy wrapper and marketed well.
Its true Apple does not make many things that are new. Apple's strength is more in taking something that has been done before and doing it better. Designing a better UI and making it easy and fun to use.
I will bet you a frozen pizza of your choice that when the podcast downloading feature is released, it will be with mucho fanfare and marketing glitz.
You think the reason for this will be because people treat Apple as though they invented it. But we know Apple did not invent downloading podcasts. The reason for this is because the podcast feature will work better than most others.
Prove me wrong that globally the Communicator series from Nokia is not considered one of the best if not the best enterprise device.
Prove that the BB is not the hands on favorite device of enterprises and even the US govt.
Clock is ticking. You can even call in a lifeline if you want.
I'll prove it when you prove what the survey is saying is false and the iphone doesn't have the highest satisfaction ratings at least in the US.
Prove me wrong that globally the Communicator series from Nokia is not considered one of the best if not the best enterprise device.
I'm looking around. But I haven't found any evidence that supports or denies this assertion.
Prove that the BB is not the hands on favorite device of enterprises and even the US govt.
In the US BB is the enterprise favorite. BB was the best selling line of smartphones in the US in 2007. Nokia has very little US marketshare.
Why does Apple give us things THEY WANT, rather than things WE NEED?
All part of the devil's bargain once you become an Apple Cadet.
I'll prove it when you prove what the survey is saying is false and the iphone doesn't have the highest satisfaction ratings at least in the US.
Okay. The iPhone has the highest....yada, yada, yada.....
Now prove the that Nokia and BB are not the best for biz.
Why are they even working on this. Some Devs already had this program working. Please add cut and paste, MMS, and fix Safari.
Don't forget task synchronization with iCal.
I'm looking around. But I haven't found any evidence that supports or denies this assertion.
In the US BB is the enterprise favorite. BB was the best selling line of smartphones in the US in 2007. Nokia has very little US marketshare.
HI Tenobell,
the key to my statement was the word globally. I was not including the US market as as there is a very small Nokia footprint there. I was transferred to one of our European offices where the IT guys are allowed to pick their devices to support and deploy. BB was an option but at the end of the day, they went with Communicators. I found this to be almost homogenous throughout the entire European office structure. At no time was the iPhone considered. We have a few laying around and the IT guys test them from time to time but at the end of the day, they feel that for the enterprise they are lacking.