Apple may turn to carbon fiber for lighter MacBook Air

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
Apple enthusiastically claimed ownership to the world's thinnest notebook earlier this year with the introduction of the MacBook Air, but is rumored to be unsatisfied with the system's weight, which it now hopes to drop below 3 pounds.



As such, people who've proven familiar with the company's portable plans say the Mac maker has been looking into substituting carbon fiber parts for certain structural components currently cast from heavier aircraft-grade aluminum.



Carbon fiber is an extremely lightweight material comprised of very thin fibers about 0.005?0.010 millimeters in diameter and composed mostly of carbon atoms. The atoms bond together in microscopic crystals that are aligned parallel to the long axis of the fiber and can thus be used to form exceptionally strong composites without requiring more material.



The high strength-to-weight ratio of carbon fiber has made it a popular choice for the aerospace, sporting, and racing industries, where it's used for aircraft parts, bicycle frames, and performance car bodies. More recently, however, its application has spilled into the computing industry, with vendors such as Sony and HP's Voodoo PC brand all using it to construct lightweight notebook enclosures.



For its part, Apple is reportedly looking to adopt the material for only a portion of Air's enclosure. The Cupertino-based firm is extremely proud of the notebook's precision unibody upper chassis, which it mills from a single extruded block of aluminum. While no changes have been proposed for this component, those familiar with ongoing R&D efforts say the company is hoping to replacing the Air's lower aluminum case, or bottom cover, with one constructed from carbon fiber.



The move would reportedly raise production costs but shave upwards of a 100 grams off the notebook, dropping its weight from a hair over 3 pounds (or 1363 grams) to 2.78 pounds (or 1263 grams). A pre-production unit showcasing the new part was said to look identical to the existing Air with the exception of the carbon fiber bottom, which appeared in the material's native black.



In our attempts to provide some color on the weight-related claims, we contacted the tear-down experts at iFixit for a breakdown of the Air's weight distribution. Indeed, it turns out that the notebook's bottom cover is the second heaviest structural component outside the unibody chassis (260 grams), weighing in at 152 grams. The rear bezel, or top cover with the Apple logo, weighs 211 grams.



A breakdown of the Air's weight provided by iFixit.



More than 35 percent of the Air's weight comes from the combination of its 287 gram battery and 210 gram LCD panel. The logic board, hard disk drive, and hard drive mounting brackets comprise another 10 percent of the unit's weight.



Asked about the rumored materials swap, iFixit chief executive Kyle Wiens said he wouldn't put it past the Mac maker, which is constantly pushing the manufacturing envelope, to make such a change.



"[Apple industrial design chief Jonathan] Ive's vaunted 'torsional rigidity' is a huge reason for the Air's success," he said. "The current machines feel extremely solid. Apple wouldn't want to sacrifice that at all, hence the willingness to spend more on carbon fiber."



The Air's bottom cover is one of the notebook's most simple components | Source: iFixit's MacBook Air Take Apart Guide



Although AppleInsider publishes the aforementioned information strictly as a rumor, it's believed the shift to a carbon fiber bottom is far enough along in its development cycle that it could appear in a revision to the MacBook Air sometime next year.
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  • Reply 1 of 154
    This redesign would explain why the Air did not get many of the same tweaks as the MB and MBP (such as the new trackpad).
  • Reply 2 of 154
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    Originally Posted by Phlake View Post


    This redesign would explain why the Air did not get many of the same tweaks as the MB and MBP (such as the new trackpad).



    Very likely. The earliest we would see a redesign would be at Macworld 2009 in January. I think we'll see a complete refresh of the desktop line - iMac, Mac Pro, and perhaps the Mac mini at the event. If Apple could roll out an Air redesign that would be a way to make it into a true Mac event. The past two Macworld events (2008 & 2007) were essentially iPhone events, I don't think Apple has enough to do it three years in a row.
  • Reply 3 of 154
    robb01robb01 Posts: 148member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Phlake View Post


    This redesign would explain why the Air did not get many of the same tweaks as the MB and MBP (such as the new trackpad).



    Certainly would, I wonder if the new one would possibly get these?



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  • Reply 4 of 154
    CF is used extensively in the pro cycling industry, with frames and most of the structural parts of these high performance frames built out of the stuff. I think there are places on high performance cars that use CF as well. It would not be unreasonable to create the entire LCD panel rear out of CF, though that may give them a design headache figuring out how to get the aesthetics down.
  • Reply 5 of 154
    We need a machine that has a 10, 12, or even 13" screen and a full size keyboard. Where Apple totally blew it with all their recent portable releases is not catering for the credit crunch, the mobile professional and those who don't need video gaming power everywhere. All they had to do with the Air to make it perfect was get rid of the wasted space in the bezel and keyboard surround, add two more USB ports and Firewire - and they would have an OS X powered netbook without any real sacrifices.



    When you're in an aircraft or train, it is the dept and width of our device that counts.



    Please please Apple, make an ultralight narrow and shallow portable. And price is below £600. I am ready to buy. Until then, my Mac Mini is my Mac. Because it's affordable and compact.
  • Reply 6 of 154
    kreshkresh Posts: 379member
    Oh I can't wait for the headlines. Apple sequesters carbon in the new MacBook Air. It is sleek, stylish and is helping to save the planet.
  • Reply 7 of 154
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    Carbon Fiber = Mac Netbook...MacWorld 2009.
  • Reply 8 of 154
    noirdesirnoirdesir Posts: 1,027member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Phlake View Post


    This redesign would explain why the Air did not get many of the same tweaks as the MB and MBP (such as the new trackpad).



    The Air already had a very large multi-touch trackpad (in fact it was the first Apple laptop with such a large trackpad). It did not get the no-button trackpad though (well, it did not get any case redesigns, only internals were changed). They will bundle any case design changes into one bigger update (instead of modifying the case every nine months).
  • Reply 9 of 154
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Here come the VooDoo Envy 133 comparisons, which is a very sleek machine with a nice idea for incorporating an RJ-45 jack into the power brick with an WiFI transmitter so you don't have to carry a dongle or waste your USB port if the hotel you are at still only has cabled internet.



    I would think the the unibody structure would stay the same with just the bottom (and possibly the top case), which are stamped aluminium could be carbon fiber for a very unique two two-toned look.
  • Reply 10 of 154
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by noirdesir View Post


    The Air already had a very large multi-touch trackpad (in fact it was the first Apple laptop with such a large trackpad). It did not get the no-button trackpad though (well, it did not get any case redesigns, only internals were changed). They will bundle any case design changes into one bigger update (instead of modifying the case every nine months).



    It did get the new miniDP connector. I was surprised that it didn't get the same discrete trackpad button as the other Mac notebooks.
  • Reply 11 of 154
    The MBA would look pretty slick with a full carbon fiber enclosure. I would be pumped if that actually happened
  • Reply 11 of 154
    Look like an exercise in diminishing returns. A 7-8% weight drop? Is that really worth the effort?



    Also, what about the environmental aspect of such a switch? I believe you can cut aluminum with environmentally friendly coolants and recycle the shavings easily. On the other hand, forming composites involves some chemical reactions and I don't know how polluting those are.



    Maybe someone can fill us in.
  • Reply 13 of 154
    That should also improve the WiFi / Bluetooth / 3G* performance which in turn improves battery life.



    * When it gets included
  • Reply 14 of 154
    I hope they talk to Boeing first.
  • Reply 15 of 154
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wonderkid View Post


    We need a machine that has a 10, 12, or even 13" screen and a full size keyboard. Where Apple totally blew it with all their recent portable releases is not catering for the credit crunch, the mobile professional and those who don't need video gaming power everywhere. All they had to do with the Air to make it perfect was get rid of the wasted space in the bezel and keyboard surround, add two more USB ports and Firewire - and they would have an OS X powered netbook without any real sacrifices.



    When you're in an aircraft or train, it is the dept and width of our device that counts.



    Please please Apple, make an ultralight narrow and shallow portable. And price is below £600. I am ready to buy. Until then, my Mac Mini is my Mac. Because it's affordable and compact.



    Damn, do you people live in a parallel universe with different laws of physics or are you just trying to be funny? How can you even EXPECT to get MORE stuff crammed in LESS space AND a device that weights LESS and cost LESS? Are you even serious? Do you really think you can get USB x 2, FW, full keyboard and screen and at the same time a notebook that's lighter than one that does not have those specs and cost less? You can't get ultraportable without sacrifices. Get real please.



    If you want an ultraportable notebook, you have to be prepared to give up some ports and specs and to pay for it. Miniaturization has a price you know.
  • Reply 16 of 154
    I highly doubt they are looking at this for the Macbook Air. The thing is selling slower than diamond encrusted bras from Victoria's Secret. Bestbuy has had it for $1,299 for over a month now and the 5 closest stores all still have stock and the online store too.



    They really missed the target with the Air, if they do revamp it the first thing they need to do before anything else is drop the screen size to 12" max.



    More thank likely if they are looking at carbon fiber its for a netbook.
  • Reply 17 of 154
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kultist View Post


    Damn, do you people live in a parallel universe with different laws of physics or are you just trying to be funny? How can you even EXPECT to get MORE stuff crammed in LESS space AND a device that weights LESS and cost LESS? Are you even serious? Do you really think you can get USB x 2, FW, full keyboard and screen and at the same time a notebook that's lighter than one that does not have those specs and cost less? You can't get ultraportable without sacrifices. Get real please.



    If you want an ultraportable notebook, you have to be prepared to give up some ports and specs and to pay for it. Miniaturization has a price you know.



    I realize there needs to be tradeoffs with an ultraportable. But you can easily get a 12" with 2 USB, Firewire (Apple wont put it on, you can guarantee that), headphone, ethernet, expresscard slot, and still weigh under what a macbook air does with better specs. Lenovo X61, and X200 for sure. Im sure Sony makes about 5 different models that fit that.
  • Reply 18 of 154
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by amac4me View Post


    Very likely. The earliest we would see a redesign would be at Macworld 2009 in January. I think we'll see a complete refresh of the desktop line - iMac, Mac Pro, and perhaps the Mac mini at the event. If Apple could roll out an Air redesign that would be a way to make it into a true Mac event. The past two Macworld events (2008 & 2007) were essentially iPhone events, I don't think Apple has enough to do it three years in a row.



    How was 2008 an iphone event?
  • Reply 19 of 154
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
    I know this is off topic and I will try my hardest not to ever bring it up again but is it possible to refrain from calling Apple a 'Cupertino based firm', or worse still- a 'Cupertino based technology firm'? I know it is hard to write good copy that's just plain lazy. It's like me calling my neighbor 'the person residing next door' because I have already called him by his name - John - in a previous sentence. The company is Apple but it can equally be referred to as 'the company', 'the firm' or even 'Job's and co', but pleeeeze - we all know where Apple HQ is and that the company is involved in electronics.



    OK.... sorry...
  • Reply 20 of 154
    adjeiadjei Posts: 738member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dueces View Post


    I highly doubt they are looking at this for the Macbook Air. The thing is selling slower than diamond encrusted bras from Victoria's Secret. Bestbuy has had it for $1,299 for over a month now and the 5 closest stores all still have stock and the online store too.



    They really missed the target with the Air, if they do revamp it the first thing they need to do before anything else is drop the screen size to 12" max.



    More thank likely if they are looking at carbon fiber its for a netbook.



    Oh so you work at Apple to know how well their products are selling mate?
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