It's a moot point, as long as the store doesn't have a building in your state, you're not going to get charged sales tax, whether or not the remote store is in a state with sales tax.
That may change, but so far, the states are simultaneously trying to do what they can to get sites to charge tax while refusing to do what is required of them to earn that privilege.
It's not moot for Oregon residents.
Yes, I know how it works, but the states don't have the authority to demand anything from a business outside it's boundaries. Yes, that could change, but we're safe for now.
I was looking at picking up one of the new aluminum Macbooks from Macmall, with nice deals on software and accessories, but after putting together an order I noticed I'd have to send in 5 separate mail-in rebates for a total savings of $200. I did a little googling, and came up with a lot of negative criticism:
Rebates, unless they are instant, are disingenuous to start with. Not all rebates are even claimed, which only encourages companies to continue the practice. Notice that most rebates force you to pay associated sales taxes on the entire amount, and not the amount after rebate. The exception to that is an instant rebate, which is really not much more than a contradiction of terms, because an instant rebate is actually a drop in price.
Having said all of that, I did get $400 worth of rebates from Apple back in July. There were two rebates, both filed online, and I had them in my hands about 3 days later. That is certainly an exception to most rebate experiences. Most people are left with nothing but frustration when their rebates don't materialize. They have precious little resource to do anything about it.
The answer to all of this is for the consumers to demand an end to this devious practice, and just give them the lower price up front. An excellent solution, if highly unlikely.
What would you have our attitudes be? Like yours? If this truly amazes you I believe Harvard is still looking for volunteers for the public genome project... perhaps you have higher sequence homology with Rattus than Homo sapiens.
For starters, you could quit acting as though you're entitled to anything that you didn't earn. Pissing and moaning over the fact that you didn't get a sale price on something you wanted is about as immature as anything I can imagine. When you say you were treated harshly because Apple didn't offer sale price on any software, that is pissing and moaning. Grow up!
They still do... just not on the MB and MB Pro. But on everything else? Yep, Vaseline city.
A partial step forward, if you will. I don't think Apple's capable of quitting RAM-gouging cold turkey.
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I'm not sure that "gouging" is the correct term. Certainly, Apple charges more than some third party vendors, and many of us just don't buy extra RAM from Apple. However, nobody has a gun to their head, forcing them to buy extra RAM from Apple, and Apple is entitled to charge any price they like. Do I think that they catch a lot of folks unaware over RAM pricing? Sure I do, but, IMO, the term caveat emptor still rules the day.
There is some evidence that Apple is seeing a sales drop for additional RAM since they've lowered their margin on some modules. Although that doesn't apply to the MacPro, the easiest model of all to add RAM to. Apple still sells the MacPro modules as though they were made of solid gold. Does that say that MacPro buyers are less concerned about RAM pricing? I would hope not, but, there must be an explanation for Apple not dropping the price on that RAM.
When Apple's RAM pricing is two to four times that of the better third party RAM vendors (like Crucial) for everything 'cept the current MB & MB Pro, gouging is about the only way to put it. \
From a previous post:
The MacPro, as you noted, is not competitive ($500 to bring it up to 4GB?!? ), ditto the Mac Mini, where Apple wants $75 to up it to 2GB, whereas Crucial gives you a 2GB kit for $32.
iMac? Apple wants $150 to up the 2GB models to 4GB, $225 to bring the 1GB low-ender up to 4GB. Crucial will give ya a 4GB RAM kit for $56, about a third of that or a quarter, depending on which iMac you have.
And then there's previous gen MacBook Pros and MacBooks. I've been looking to up my early '08 MB Pro to 4 gigs. 4GB RAM kit is $56, just like the iMac, and again about a third of what Apple would've charged me had I done it up front with them.
Again, I'll give 'em props for now being competitive with the current MB and MB Pro, that's a good step, but not anywhere else.
When Apple's RAM pricing is two to four times that of the better third party RAM vendors (like Crucial) for everything 'cept the current MB & MB Pro, gouging is about the only way to put it. \
From a previous post:
The MacPro, as you noted, is not competitive ($500 to bring it up to 4GB?!? ), ditto the Mac Mini, where Apple wants $75 to up it to 2GB, whereas Crucial gives you a 2GB kit for $32.
iMac? Apple wants $150 to up the 2GB models to 4GB, $225 to bring the 1GB low-ender up to 4GB. Crucial will give ya a 4GB RAM kit for $56, about a third of that or a quarter, depending on which iMac you have.
And then there's previous gen MacBook Pros and MacBooks. I've been looking to up my early '08 MB Pro to 4 gigs. 4GB RAM kit is $56, just like the iMac, and again about a third of what Apple would've charged me had I done it up front with them.
Again, I'll give 'em props for now being competitive with the current MB and MB Pro, that's a good step, but not anywhere else.
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You left out the iMacs, Apple's price on the RAM for them has also dropped.
I've always been a believer in letting the market control prices. If Apple charged a million bucks a module it would be okay with me, as long as I wasn't forced to buy it, and it was available elsewhere for better prices. Wait, it is available elsewhere at better prices, so who cares what Apple charges? Hard drives from Apple are in the same league.
If you wanted to sell your car wouldn't you want the highest possible price for it?
If you buy a new car, do you buy accessories from the dealer? Accessories from a dealer are notoriously overpriced, and available elsewhere for less money.
Caveat emptor again, suckers abound, and I don't know anyone that wouldn't like to land one for that car sale.
You left out the iMacs, Apple's price on the RAM for them has also dropped.
I've always been a believer in letting the market control prices. If Apple charged a million bucks a module it would be okay with me, as long as I wasn't forced to buy it, and it was available elsewhere for better prices. Wait, it is available elsewhere at better prices, so who cares what Apple charges? Hard drives from Apple are in the same league.
Yes, Apple can charge whatever they want. Someone saying they don't like those prices doesn't mean government influence is being requested, there is a significant difference. Just saying that to be clear, I'm not sure if you were suggesting people were saying that.
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If you buy a new car, do you buy accessories from the dealer? Accessories from a dealer are notoriously overpriced, and available elsewhere for less money.
I can't speak for TB, but I don't even buy new cars. I think I've spent less money on all my cars in my life combined than it would cost or a new one. If I were to buy one, I'd only want a model that included leather interior, that usually lasts longer for me and a lot more maintainable than cloth & imitation mouse fur.
Yes, Apple can charge whatever they want. Someone saying they don't like those prices doesn't mean government influence is being requested, there is a significant difference. Just saying that to be clear, I'm not sure if you were suggesting people were saying that.
Not at all, people can have any opinion they like about Apple's RAM pricing, I only offered my own. As for government interference in this, I'm adamantly opposed, and I don't see that anyone else has suggested it either. As long as we have multiple vendor choices for the RAM, it's a non-issue, AFAIC.
Unfortunately, more government control over private industry is only just around the corner. That's where the politicians that have no experience in a business, tell those that do, how to run their company. Not that the auto industry can't be improved, but anyone that thinks the government is the source of that improvement, must believe in the Tooth Fairy.
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I can't speak for TB, but I don't even buy new cars. I think I've spent less money on all my cars in my life combined than it would cost or a new one. If I were to buy one, I'd only want a model that included leather interior, that usually lasts longer for me and a lot more maintainable than cloth & imitation mouse fur.
To each his own, but I can promise you that you wouldn't like leather interiors where I live. They don't last long here either. I always choose the mouse fur, for both comfort and durability. But then this is the desert.
You left out the iMacs, Apple's price on the RAM for them has also dropped.
Actually if you read my post carefully, I didn't leave iMacs out. And their RAM upgrade prices are still 3-4x third party. Is that after the drop? Whoa.
In any case, if you're expecting me to give them props for their pricing there, you have got to be kidding.
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Caveat emptor again, suckers abound, and I don't know anyone that wouldn't like to land one for that car sale.
Caveat emptor can be used as a fig leaf for most anything. Hey, loan sharking is a prime example of it, so it's fine, right?
I'll give you this much- Apple has the right to gouge suckers on RAM if they want, but we have the right to call them on it. Apple's RAM prices flat suck on most of their products, there's zero harm in letting folks know.
You yourself have stated unhappiness on their Mac Pro RAM prices, so I think you're actually not on Apple's side on this one, if you think about it.
You left out the iMacs, Apple's price on the RAM for them has also dropped.
I've always been a believer in letting the market control prices. If Apple charged a million bucks a module it would be okay with me, as long as I wasn't forced to buy it, and it was available elsewhere for better prices. Wait, it is available elsewhere at better prices, so who cares what Apple charges? Hard drives from Apple are in the same league.
If you wanted to sell your car wouldn't you want the highest possible price for it?
If you buy a new car, do you buy accessories from the dealer? Accessories from a dealer are notoriously overpriced, and available elsewhere for less money.
Caveat emptor again, suckers abound, and I don't know anyone that wouldn't like to land one for that car sale.
Thanks for leading the Apple Defense Force today! (yes, that was being sarcastic)
Really, why don't you just let people voice their complaints without being a prick about it? Don't want to read their comments? Don't come to this thread, simple solution for everyone.
Thanks for leading the Apple Defense Force today! (yes, that was being sarcastic)
Really, why don't you just let people voice their complaints without being a prick about it? Don't want to read their comments? Don't come to this thread, simple solution for everyone.
Well said. Apple's an enormous multibillion dollar international corporation, I doubt they really need any self-appointed defenders.
In any case, the honest take on this is "Hey, we all like Apple, but their RAM prices, with a few exceptions, are a total rip-off." The rest is just disingenuous bullcrap.
Btw... 'Apple Defense Force'? LOL. I usually call it the 'Apple Apologista Squad', but I'm thinking of changing it to 'AARMWAC' (the 'Apple is Always Right no Matter WhAt Coalition').
Not at all, people can have any opinion they like about Apple's RAM pricing, I only offered my own.
The problem is that the way you said it made it sound like maybe we're socialists for saying we don't like Apple's pricing, or that you don't like the fact that we're voicing our opinion on the subject.
Actually if you read my post carefully, I didn't leave iMacs out. And their RAM upgrade prices are still 3-4x third party. Is that after the drop? Whoa.
In any case, if you're expecting me to give them props for their pricing there, you have got to be kidding.
Caveat emptor can be used as a fig leaf for most anything. Hey, loan sharking is a prime example of it, so it's fine, right?
I'll give you this much- Apple has the right to gouge suckers on RAM if they want, but we have the right to call them on it. Apple's RAM prices flat suck on most of their products, there's zero harm in letting folks know.
You yourself have stated unhappiness on their Mac Pro RAM prices, so I think you're actually not on Apple's side on this one, if you think about it.
Ya dig?
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I haven't suggested that anyone not complain about Apple's RAM pricing. But, since nobody has to buy their RAM their, I don't see it a a big issue. Yes, they are high priced, so what, I don't buy RAM from them, and you don't either. So, what we have here is a complaint about something that didn't happen. I dare say that that those on this site, that would read our posts, and that don't know about Apple's pricing policies, are few indeed.
As for loan sharking, it's illegal, Apple's pricing isn't, so that 's not a suitable analogy. The ONLY way we have to lower Apple's RAM pricing is by not buying it. Complaining isn't going to change anything, not that we can't bitch about it if we want to, but it's pretty pointless.
Apple is hugely successful, their pricing is right where they want it, and backed by the ever increasing sales, no matter what anyone thinks about it.
Now if you see this as some sort of moral issue, then let me know, because I don't buy that at all.
The problem is that the way you said it made it sound like maybe we're socialists for saying we don't like Apple's pricing, or that you don't like the fact that we're voicing our opinion on the subject.
Not at all, nobody has to like Apple's RAM prices, and letting off steam about it might make some feel better, but, it won't change anything. What it amounts to is complaining about something that we don't have to do, which is buy RAM from Apple. It's akin to complaints about the condition of a road that you don't use, and where alternate routes abound.
It's hardly worth getting worked up about, which is what I see here.
Thanks for leading the Apple Defense Force today! (yes, that was being sarcastic)
Really, why don't you just let people voice their complaints without being a prick about it? Don't want to read their comments? Don't come to this thread, simple solution for everyone.
Who have I prevented from complaining? As long as my remarks don't agree with yours, and you misinterpreted them anyway, then I'm a prick? Now, you want to deny my access to this thread because you don't like what I posted. What are you, Stalin's illegal grandson? Why not start your own forum where you are the only voice?
If you don't like my posts, quit reading them or block me. AFAIK, this is a forum for all views. If I'm wrong, the participating admin will surely advise me of it.
Complaining feels good sometimes and you never know who's reading these posts. Perhaps it was our bitching about high RAM prices that brought Apple's surcharges down to merely painful levels.
Apple's thanksgiving sale was hardly that. Unlike in prior years, you could have done much better without even trying that hard (amazon.com, catalog merchants, etc). For the first time since Apple started this sale, I didn't participate.
In light of their 10s of billions in cash and high margins and growing sales, a little 'thanks' (i.e. deeper discounts) would have gone a long ways. It was, after all, a one day sale.
Other retailers didn't disappoint. Online retailers such as amazon and costco and williams-sonoma had deals for the taking. I can't wait till after xmas with the deeper discounts.
What would you have our attitudes be? Like yours? If this truly amazes you I believe Harvard is still looking for volunteers for the public genome project... perhaps you have higher sequence homology with Rattus than Homo sapiens.
Don't mind him. Zinfella believes he's the grand old man of AI and knows better than all the young pipsqueaks around here. After all, he's been buying computers since the prehistoric days of the mid 1990s! And don't worry. He won't reply to this, because I'm on his ignore list. As you can tell by the way he whines about the "whining" here, he finds it impossible to just skip over posts. Write it and he will read, until such time as he needs the system to block you out.
Unfortunately, Californians have to deal with a line item disclosure on their state return designed to ensure a conviction for tax evasion if they do not declare their on-line purchases out of state. Talk about police state!
Complaining feels good sometimes and you never know who's reading these posts. Perhaps it was our bitching about high RAM prices that brought Apple's surcharges down to merely painful levels.
Apple's thanksgiving sale was hardly that. Unlike in prior years, you could have done much better without even trying that hard (amazon.com, catalog merchants, etc). For the first time since Apple started this sale, I didn't participate.
In light of their 10s of billions in cash and high margins and growing sales, a little 'thanks' (i.e. deeper discounts) would have gone a long ways. It was, after all, a one day sale.
Other retailers didn't disappoint. Online retailers such as amazon and costco and williams-sonoma had deals for the taking. I can't wait till after xmas with the deeper discounts.
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False on Amazon not charging sales tax, they charge in a few states:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custom...?nodeId=468512
Meh, five states out of 50. Still, good to know.
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It's a moot point, as long as the store doesn't have a building in your state, you're not going to get charged sales tax, whether or not the remote store is in a state with sales tax.
That may change, but so far, the states are simultaneously trying to do what they can to get sites to charge tax while refusing to do what is required of them to earn that privilege.
It's not moot for Oregon residents.
Yes, I know how it works, but the states don't have the authority to demand anything from a business outside it's boundaries. Yes, that could change, but we're safe for now.
I was looking at picking up one of the new aluminum Macbooks from Macmall, with nice deals on software and accessories, but after putting together an order I noticed I'd have to send in 5 separate mail-in rebates for a total savings of $200. I did a little googling, and came up with a lot of negative criticism:
- http://www.rebatereportcard.com/reba...nyname=macmall
- http://www.macintouch.com/readerrepo...topic2979.html
- http://www.resellerratings.com/store/MacMall
- http://www.complaintsboard.com/compl...com-c6497.html
Anyone else have good/bad experiences with them?Rebates, unless they are instant, are disingenuous to start with. Not all rebates are even claimed, which only encourages companies to continue the practice. Notice that most rebates force you to pay associated sales taxes on the entire amount, and not the amount after rebate. The exception to that is an instant rebate, which is really not much more than a contradiction of terms, because an instant rebate is actually a drop in price.
Having said all of that, I did get $400 worth of rebates from Apple back in July. There were two rebates, both filed online, and I had them in my hands about 3 days later. That is certainly an exception to most rebate experiences. Most people are left with nothing but frustration when their rebates don't materialize. They have precious little resource to do anything about it.
The answer to all of this is for the consumers to demand an end to this devious practice, and just give them the lower price up front. An excellent solution, if highly unlikely.
What would you have our attitudes be? Like yours? If this truly amazes you I believe Harvard is still looking for volunteers for the public genome project... perhaps you have higher sequence homology with Rattus than Homo sapiens.
For starters, you could quit acting as though you're entitled to anything that you didn't earn. Pissing and moaning over the fact that you didn't get a sale price on something you wanted is about as immature as anything I can imagine. When you say you were treated harshly because Apple didn't offer sale price on any software, that is pissing and moaning. Grow up!
They still do... just not on the MB and MB Pro. But on everything else? Yep, Vaseline city.
A partial step forward, if you will. I don't think Apple's capable of quitting RAM-gouging cold turkey.
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I'm not sure that "gouging" is the correct term. Certainly, Apple charges more than some third party vendors, and many of us just don't buy extra RAM from Apple. However, nobody has a gun to their head, forcing them to buy extra RAM from Apple, and Apple is entitled to charge any price they like. Do I think that they catch a lot of folks unaware over RAM pricing? Sure I do, but, IMO, the term caveat emptor still rules the day.
There is some evidence that Apple is seeing a sales drop for additional RAM since they've lowered their margin on some modules. Although that doesn't apply to the MacPro, the easiest model of all to add RAM to. Apple still sells the MacPro modules as though they were made of solid gold. Does that say that MacPro buyers are less concerned about RAM pricing? I would hope not, but, there must be an explanation for Apple not dropping the price on that RAM.
I'm not sure that "gouging" is the correct term.
When Apple's RAM pricing is two to four times that of the better third party RAM vendors (like Crucial) for everything 'cept the current MB & MB Pro, gouging is about the only way to put it.
From a previous post:
The MacPro, as you noted, is not competitive ($500 to bring it up to 4GB?!? ), ditto the Mac Mini, where Apple wants $75 to up it to 2GB, whereas Crucial gives you a 2GB kit for $32.
iMac? Apple wants $150 to up the 2GB models to 4GB, $225 to bring the 1GB low-ender up to 4GB. Crucial will give ya a 4GB RAM kit for $56, about a third of that or a quarter, depending on which iMac you have.
And then there's previous gen MacBook Pros and MacBooks. I've been looking to up my early '08 MB Pro to 4 gigs. 4GB RAM kit is $56, just like the iMac, and again about a third of what Apple would've charged me had I done it up front with them.
Again, I'll give 'em props for now being competitive with the current MB and MB Pro, that's a good step, but not anywhere else.
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When Apple's RAM pricing is two to four times that of the better third party RAM vendors (like Crucial) for everything 'cept the current MB & MB Pro, gouging is about the only way to put it.
From a previous post:
The MacPro, as you noted, is not competitive ($500 to bring it up to 4GB?!? ), ditto the Mac Mini, where Apple wants $75 to up it to 2GB, whereas Crucial gives you a 2GB kit for $32.
iMac? Apple wants $150 to up the 2GB models to 4GB, $225 to bring the 1GB low-ender up to 4GB. Crucial will give ya a 4GB RAM kit for $56, about a third of that or a quarter, depending on which iMac you have.
And then there's previous gen MacBook Pros and MacBooks. I've been looking to up my early '08 MB Pro to 4 gigs. 4GB RAM kit is $56, just like the iMac, and again about a third of what Apple would've charged me had I done it up front with them.
Again, I'll give 'em props for now being competitive with the current MB and MB Pro, that's a good step, but not anywhere else.
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You left out the iMacs, Apple's price on the RAM for them has also dropped.
I've always been a believer in letting the market control prices. If Apple charged a million bucks a module it would be okay with me, as long as I wasn't forced to buy it, and it was available elsewhere for better prices. Wait, it is available elsewhere at better prices, so who cares what Apple charges? Hard drives from Apple are in the same league.
If you wanted to sell your car wouldn't you want the highest possible price for it?
If you buy a new car, do you buy accessories from the dealer? Accessories from a dealer are notoriously overpriced, and available elsewhere for less money.
Caveat emptor again, suckers abound, and I don't know anyone that wouldn't like to land one for that car sale.
You left out the iMacs, Apple's price on the RAM for them has also dropped.
I've always been a believer in letting the market control prices. If Apple charged a million bucks a module it would be okay with me, as long as I wasn't forced to buy it, and it was available elsewhere for better prices. Wait, it is available elsewhere at better prices, so who cares what Apple charges? Hard drives from Apple are in the same league.
Yes, Apple can charge whatever they want. Someone saying they don't like those prices doesn't mean government influence is being requested, there is a significant difference. Just saying that to be clear, I'm not sure if you were suggesting people were saying that.
If you buy a new car, do you buy accessories from the dealer? Accessories from a dealer are notoriously overpriced, and available elsewhere for less money.
I can't speak for TB, but I don't even buy new cars. I think I've spent less money on all my cars in my life combined than it would cost or a new one. If I were to buy one, I'd only want a model that included leather interior, that usually lasts longer for me and a lot more maintainable than cloth & imitation mouse fur.
Yes, Apple can charge whatever they want. Someone saying they don't like those prices doesn't mean government influence is being requested, there is a significant difference. Just saying that to be clear, I'm not sure if you were suggesting people were saying that.
Not at all, people can have any opinion they like about Apple's RAM pricing, I only offered my own. As for government interference in this, I'm adamantly opposed, and I don't see that anyone else has suggested it either. As long as we have multiple vendor choices for the RAM, it's a non-issue, AFAIC.
Unfortunately, more government control over private industry is only just around the corner. That's where the politicians that have no experience in a business, tell those that do, how to run their company. Not that the auto industry can't be improved, but anyone that thinks the government is the source of that improvement, must believe in the Tooth Fairy.
I can't speak for TB, but I don't even buy new cars. I think I've spent less money on all my cars in my life combined than it would cost or a new one. If I were to buy one, I'd only want a model that included leather interior, that usually lasts longer for me and a lot more maintainable than cloth & imitation mouse fur.
To each his own, but I can promise you that you wouldn't like leather interiors where I live. They don't last long here either. I always choose the mouse fur, for both comfort and durability. But then this is the desert.
You left out the iMacs, Apple's price on the RAM for them has also dropped.
Actually if you read my post carefully, I didn't leave iMacs out. And their RAM upgrade prices are still 3-4x third party. Is that after the drop? Whoa.
In any case, if you're expecting me to give them props for their pricing there, you have got to be kidding.
Caveat emptor again, suckers abound, and I don't know anyone that wouldn't like to land one for that car sale.
Caveat emptor can be used as a fig leaf for most anything. Hey, loan sharking is a prime example of it, so it's fine, right?
I'll give you this much- Apple has the right to gouge suckers on RAM if they want, but we have the right to call them on it. Apple's RAM prices flat suck on most of their products, there's zero harm in letting folks know.
You yourself have stated unhappiness on their Mac Pro RAM prices, so I think you're actually not on Apple's side on this one, if you think about it.
Ya dig?
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You left out the iMacs, Apple's price on the RAM for them has also dropped.
I've always been a believer in letting the market control prices. If Apple charged a million bucks a module it would be okay with me, as long as I wasn't forced to buy it, and it was available elsewhere for better prices. Wait, it is available elsewhere at better prices, so who cares what Apple charges? Hard drives from Apple are in the same league.
If you wanted to sell your car wouldn't you want the highest possible price for it?
If you buy a new car, do you buy accessories from the dealer? Accessories from a dealer are notoriously overpriced, and available elsewhere for less money.
Caveat emptor again, suckers abound, and I don't know anyone that wouldn't like to land one for that car sale.
Thanks for leading the Apple Defense Force today! (yes, that was being sarcastic)
Really, why don't you just let people voice their complaints without being a prick about it? Don't want to read their comments? Don't come to this thread, simple solution for everyone.
Thanks for leading the Apple Defense Force today! (yes, that was being sarcastic)
Really, why don't you just let people voice their complaints without being a prick about it? Don't want to read their comments? Don't come to this thread, simple solution for everyone.
Well said. Apple's an enormous multibillion dollar international corporation, I doubt they really need any self-appointed defenders.
In any case, the honest take on this is "Hey, we all like Apple, but their RAM prices, with a few exceptions, are a total rip-off." The rest is just disingenuous bullcrap.
Btw... 'Apple Defense Force'? LOL. I usually call it the 'Apple Apologista Squad', but I'm thinking of changing it to 'AARMWAC' (the 'Apple is Always Right no Matter WhAt Coalition').
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Not at all, people can have any opinion they like about Apple's RAM pricing, I only offered my own.
The problem is that the way you said it made it sound like maybe we're socialists for saying we don't like Apple's pricing, or that you don't like the fact that we're voicing our opinion on the subject.
Actually if you read my post carefully, I didn't leave iMacs out. And their RAM upgrade prices are still 3-4x third party. Is that after the drop? Whoa.
In any case, if you're expecting me to give them props for their pricing there, you have got to be kidding.
Caveat emptor can be used as a fig leaf for most anything. Hey, loan sharking is a prime example of it, so it's fine, right?
I'll give you this much- Apple has the right to gouge suckers on RAM if they want, but we have the right to call them on it. Apple's RAM prices flat suck on most of their products, there's zero harm in letting folks know.
You yourself have stated unhappiness on their Mac Pro RAM prices, so I think you're actually not on Apple's side on this one, if you think about it.
Ya dig?
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I haven't suggested that anyone not complain about Apple's RAM pricing. But, since nobody has to buy their RAM their, I don't see it a a big issue. Yes, they are high priced, so what, I don't buy RAM from them, and you don't either. So, what we have here is a complaint about something that didn't happen. I dare say that that those on this site, that would read our posts, and that don't know about Apple's pricing policies, are few indeed.
As for loan sharking, it's illegal, Apple's pricing isn't, so that 's not a suitable analogy. The ONLY way we have to lower Apple's RAM pricing is by not buying it. Complaining isn't going to change anything, not that we can't bitch about it if we want to, but it's pretty pointless.
Apple is hugely successful, their pricing is right where they want it, and backed by the ever increasing sales, no matter what anyone thinks about it.
Now if you see this as some sort of moral issue, then let me know, because I don't buy that at all.
The problem is that the way you said it made it sound like maybe we're socialists for saying we don't like Apple's pricing, or that you don't like the fact that we're voicing our opinion on the subject.
Not at all, nobody has to like Apple's RAM prices, and letting off steam about it might make some feel better, but, it won't change anything. What it amounts to is complaining about something that we don't have to do, which is buy RAM from Apple. It's akin to complaints about the condition of a road that you don't use, and where alternate routes abound.
It's hardly worth getting worked up about, which is what I see here.
Thanks for leading the Apple Defense Force today! (yes, that was being sarcastic)
Really, why don't you just let people voice their complaints without being a prick about it? Don't want to read their comments? Don't come to this thread, simple solution for everyone.
Who have I prevented from complaining? As long as my remarks don't agree with yours, and you misinterpreted them anyway, then I'm a prick? Now, you want to deny my access to this thread because you don't like what I posted. What are you, Stalin's illegal grandson? Why not start your own forum where you are the only voice?
If you don't like my posts, quit reading them or block me. AFAIK, this is a forum for all views. If I'm wrong, the participating admin will surely advise me of it.
Apple's thanksgiving sale was hardly that. Unlike in prior years, you could have done much better without even trying that hard (amazon.com, catalog merchants, etc). For the first time since Apple started this sale, I didn't participate.
In light of their 10s of billions in cash and high margins and growing sales, a little 'thanks' (i.e. deeper discounts) would have gone a long ways. It was, after all, a one day sale.
Other retailers didn't disappoint. Online retailers such as amazon and costco and williams-sonoma had deals for the taking. I can't wait till after xmas with the deeper discounts.
What would you have our attitudes be? Like yours? If this truly amazes you I believe Harvard is still looking for volunteers for the public genome project... perhaps you have higher sequence homology with Rattus than Homo sapiens.
Don't mind him. Zinfella believes he's the grand old man of AI and knows better than all the young pipsqueaks around here. After all, he's been buying computers since the prehistoric days of the mid 1990s! And don't worry. He won't reply to this, because I'm on his ignore list. As you can tell by the way he whines about the "whining" here, he finds it impossible to just skip over posts. Write it and he will read, until such time as he needs the system to block you out.
Complaining feels good sometimes and you never know who's reading these posts. Perhaps it was our bitching about high RAM prices that brought Apple's surcharges down to merely painful levels.
Apple's thanksgiving sale was hardly that. Unlike in prior years, you could have done much better without even trying that hard (amazon.com, catalog merchants, etc). For the first time since Apple started this sale, I didn't participate.
In light of their 10s of billions in cash and high margins and growing sales, a little 'thanks' (i.e. deeper discounts) would have gone a long ways. It was, after all, a one day sale.
Other retailers didn't disappoint. Online retailers such as amazon and costco and williams-sonoma had deals for the taking. I can't wait till after xmas with the deeper discounts.
Yep, correct on all counts. Nice post.
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