Sorry if I seem unpleasant, but I've been getting a lot of this about this industry, and I guess I'm just getting tired of it.
Yes, you do seem xtra-grumpy. Kinda takes all the fun out of the convo. \
I dunno Mel, I don't think you're in any kind of place where a serious debate about this stuff is really possible right now. I could do it, but then I think you'd go aggro again somewhere in the conversation. And I'd rather not get aggro back at you.
But I will wish you a Merry Xmas. And even a Happy New Year.
Yes, you do seem xtra-grumpy. Kinda takes all the fun out of the convo. \
I dunno Mel, I don't think you're in any kind of place where a serious debate about this stuff is really possible right now. I could do it, but then I think you'd go aggro again somewhere in the conversation. And I'd rather not get aggro back at you.
But I will wish you a Merry Xmas. And even a Happy New Year.
...
I just don't agree that most of what I'm seeing in the arguments here are taking some important things into account. You seem to be arguing old issues, instead of the ones we'll be seeing in a few months, which will be more important. I can't get even an acknowledgement of my mentioning of those issues, that's why I'm grumpy about it. Even if there was no agreements on it, a mention of what I'm saying would be appreciated.
I'm sure change wave is less of a joke when its saying good things about Verizon.
It's only joke when ChangeWave never reconciles their suveys with actual subscriber addition numbers in the carriers' SEC filings.
ChangeWave has been saying that more people are planning to switch to AT&T than to Verizon for the last year in their surveys --- but the survey data doesn't reconcile with ACTUAL numbers in the SEC filings (where Verizon is beating AT&T in retail net adds, i.e. take out the Tracfone numbers in AT&T's net add).
The ChangeWave survey is about people planning to switch to AT&T --- not planning to switch to Tracfone.
The merger is an artificial way of increasing customers.
Sure. Just ask ATT Mobility... the Cingular-ATT merger in '04 netted them 21 million new customers in an artificial way.
That's almost twice as many as the Alltel merger is netting VZW, so I guess ATT's merger was almost twice as 'artificial'.
Quote:
I'm sure change wave is less of a joke when its saying good things about Verizon.
Wouldn't know... I don't bother reading ChangeWave on anything, really.
I do remember them making some sort of pronouncements about Apple not that long ago that were pretty roundly dissed and laughed at. Samab's comments in the thread about how their survey projections don't match reality are well-taken too.
Sure. Just ask ATT Mobility... the Cingular-ATT merger in '04 netted them 21 million new customers in an artificial way.
That's almost twice as many as the Alltel merger is netting VZW, so I guess ATT's merger was almost twice as 'artificial'.
Wouldn't know... I don't bother reading ChangeWave on anything, really.
I do remember them making some sort of pronouncements about Apple not that long ago that were pretty roundly dissed and laughed at. Samab's comments in the thread about how their survey projections don't match reality are well-taken too.
...
I don't think he means it isn't real. Just that it's a quick increase that has nothing to do with people moving to the company. Once the companies are one, we'll see what happens to the numbers.
I only have mu iPhone five days, but the only missing feature I have noticed is lack of "cut and paste" and "copy and paste" which we all expect will be in a software update soon.
Perhaps you shoul buy David Pogue's book, "iPhone: The missing manual". it is 300 pages of what the iPhon can do, easy, beautifully reading and fun. You may be looking at the 16 progams the phone comes with. Let Pogue guid you to some amazing applications that are out there, that do NOT exist on other platforms!
Far as the rest of it goes, I seem to remember ChangeWave as being something of a joke.
...
Sorry to resurrect this thread but I have a question about the Verizon-Alltel merger. One of the requirements of the merger is that in some states where Verizon and Alltel together dominate, Verizon must give up its newly acquired Alltel holdings. Western Montana is one such area. Those Alltel dealers there who will be affected hope that they'll be picked up by AT&T but is that possible considering Alltel is CDMA and AT&T is GSM? If I remember right, Sprint is the only other CDMA carrier. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Comments
[i]"So is there a downside for Verizon in the survey?
Yes, and it's a big one. AT&T is beating them in the most important measure of all - Market Share.
Umm... how many weeks 'til the VZW-Alltel merger is finalized and ATT is then behind by about 10 million customers?
Welcome to the #2 spot, AT&T Mobility.
Far as the rest of it goes, I seem to remember ChangeWave as being something of a joke.
...
Sorry if I seem unpleasant, but I've been getting a lot of this about this industry, and I guess I'm just getting tired of it.
Yes, you do seem xtra-grumpy. Kinda takes all the fun out of the convo.
I dunno Mel, I don't think you're in any kind of place where a serious debate about this stuff is really possible right now. I could do it, but then I think you'd go aggro again somewhere in the conversation. And I'd rather not get aggro back at you.
But I will wish you a Merry Xmas. And even a Happy New Year.
...
Yes, you do seem xtra-grumpy. Kinda takes all the fun out of the convo.
I dunno Mel, I don't think you're in any kind of place where a serious debate about this stuff is really possible right now. I could do it, but then I think you'd go aggro again somewhere in the conversation. And I'd rather not get aggro back at you.
But I will wish you a Merry Xmas. And even a Happy New Year.
...
I just don't agree that most of what I'm seeing in the arguments here are taking some important things into account. You seem to be arguing old issues, instead of the ones we'll be seeing in a few months, which will be more important. I can't get even an acknowledgement of my mentioning of those issues, that's why I'm grumpy about it. Even if there was no agreements on it, a mention of what I'm saying would be appreciated.
And yeah, of course:
I'm sure change wave is less of a joke when its saying good things about Verizon.
Umm... how many weeks 'til the VZW-Alltel merger is finalized and ATT is then behind by about 10 million customers?
Welcome to the #2 spot, AT&T Mobility.
Far as the rest of it goes, I seem to remember ChangeWave as being something of a joke.
I'm sure change wave is less of a joke when its saying good things about Verizon.
It's only joke when ChangeWave never reconciles their suveys with actual subscriber addition numbers in the carriers' SEC filings.
ChangeWave has been saying that more people are planning to switch to AT&T than to Verizon for the last year in their surveys --- but the survey data doesn't reconcile with ACTUAL numbers in the SEC filings (where Verizon is beating AT&T in retail net adds, i.e. take out the Tracfone numbers in AT&T's net add).
The ChangeWave survey is about people planning to switch to AT&T --- not planning to switch to Tracfone.
The merger is an artificial way of increasing customers.
Sure. Just ask ATT Mobility... the Cingular-ATT merger in '04 netted them 21 million new customers in an artificial way.
That's almost twice as many as the Alltel merger is netting VZW, so I guess ATT's merger was almost twice as 'artificial'.
I'm sure change wave is less of a joke when its saying good things about Verizon.
Wouldn't know... I don't bother reading ChangeWave on anything, really.
I do remember them making some sort of pronouncements about Apple not that long ago that were pretty roundly dissed and laughed at. Samab's comments in the thread about how their survey projections don't match reality are well-taken too.
...
Sure. Just ask ATT Mobility... the Cingular-ATT merger in '04 netted them 21 million new customers in an artificial way.
That's almost twice as many as the Alltel merger is netting VZW, so I guess ATT's merger was almost twice as 'artificial'.
Wouldn't know... I don't bother reading ChangeWave on anything, really.
I do remember them making some sort of pronouncements about Apple not that long ago that were pretty roundly dissed and laughed at. Samab's comments in the thread about how their survey projections don't match reality are well-taken too.
...
I don't think he means it isn't real. Just that it's a quick increase that has nothing to do with people moving to the company. Once the companies are one, we'll see what happens to the numbers.
Perhaps you shoul buy David Pogue's book, "iPhone: The missing manual". it is 300 pages of what the iPhon can do, easy, beautifully reading and fun. You may be looking at the 16 progams the phone comes with. Let Pogue guid you to some amazing applications that are out there, that do NOT exist on other platforms!
Umm... how many weeks 'til the VZW-Alltel merger is finalized and ATT is then behind by about 10 million customers?
Welcome to the #2 spot, AT&T Mobility.
Far as the rest of it goes, I seem to remember ChangeWave as being something of a joke.
...
Sorry to resurrect this thread but I have a question about the Verizon-Alltel merger. One of the requirements of the merger is that in some states where Verizon and Alltel together dominate, Verizon must give up its newly acquired Alltel holdings. Western Montana is one such area. Those Alltel dealers there who will be affected hope that they'll be picked up by AT&T but is that possible considering Alltel is CDMA and AT&T is GSM? If I remember right, Sprint is the only other CDMA carrier. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?