What a pathetic response. You just look like a fool if you're going to go around bleating "troll" to any statement you can't refute.
I stand by my comment - some have insisted that there have been worse keynotes in the Jobs years - if that's the case, find the example that proves it.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the stock didn't crater. It's down about 1.5 as of this writing, which is remarkably little based on the historical after-show drop.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I was referring to an earlier MWSF keynote given by Jobs. My comment was directed at all the people who thought Schiller's presentation was the worst ever.
... OK, so it's just the worst since Jobs returned to Apple. Happy?
I don't think you even read what I said.
IMO far from the worst keynote ever. Very similar to every keynote I've ever seen actually, in content and in style.
I mean if you bother to look up the previous keynotes and watch them, there are lots that are kind of dull no matter who is presenting. You'll also find that the script is mostly the same for each and this one is no exception. Phil said everything that Steve would have said if he was there.
To those still thinking it ain't the same without Steve Jobs, I challenge you to point to anything he does (or did), that makes him some consummate pitch-man relative to anyone else delivering the same speech.
Anyone who really believes that "Reality Distortion Field" stuff is putting the wrong kind of herbs in their tea also. It was always just a joky way of referring to the hype that surrounds any Apple product announcement. It's even the same with Windows announcements. Those who were there when the "MS Table" was introduced gushed about it like it was sent from the future, only to come to their senses a few days later. Same thing.
I mean if you bother to look up the previous keynotes and watch them, there are lots that are kind of dull no matter who is presenting.
In fact, I have bothered to look up several, have you?
A number have been cited, and each one I have looked up has turned out to have more announcements of new product than this one.
For the record I'm not talking about "dull", nor do I care one iota who gave the presentation, I'm talking about the actual products announced. I could care less about the presentation itself. I don't spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a keynote presentation and sit down at it to do my job.[/QUOTE]
I stand by my earlier statement - the PRODUCTS announced today were more disappointing than any keynote in memory, at least since Jobs returned. If there was a keynote with a more meagre display of product announced, I'd like to hear it.
Thank god the 17 inch MacBook Pro have anti-glare display. This will save us the whining (at least today).
I still can't believe that Apple is not offering a 500GB HDD for MacBook Pro line. When I bought my MBP I decided to go for 250GB since the 70GB increase doesn't make much difference and it is cheaper to buy 500GB HDD and install it myself.
The battery life on that 17" is insane!!!!
Well, not necessarily. Is it idle battery time, full load battery time..?
I mean, my cheap HP laptop with latest C2D Montevina platform gives 6 hours 15 minutes of idle time with basic 6-cell battery. But realistically I have 4 - 5 hours of light work (browsing, reading, typing)... less for editing photos, videos... or playing DVD. If I pop in 8-cell battery, I'll get close to 8 hours idle time. There might be even 12-cell for this notebook (actually there is secondary 12-cell, but not sure if there is primary one as well)... and that is all existing battery technology stuff.
Now, there are some great new battery technologies in development, some of them promising even 10 times the capacity of existing batteries... but I did notice one of them that is actually getting in production, with big IT companies already announcing batteries for new and replacement ones for existing notebooks this spring (or autumn, if you are in south hemisphere). I would expect that Apple is among them... unless they really designed their own battery this time, which is unlikely.
I just checked Apple's web site, but maybe I missed it. What exactly does 1000 charges mean in terms for remaining battery life? Is there an industry standard for calculating this number? Does this mean that after 1000 charges (yes, I realize that not all recharges are equal) that the battery has 80% of the original 8-hour capcity? 50%? 25%?
I'm just wondering how many hours of use you can expect at the end of the battery's 1000-charge life?
A 1,000 full charges. Incremental charging or topping off are not factored. As Apple recommends, you should re-calibrate i.e., fully charge and discharge your battery once a month. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1490
As such, under ideal circumstances, (see article above on temperature, storage and optimal settings, etc., the battery on the should last nearly 8.3 years. However, nothing is ever ideal.
P.S. I would high suggest that everybody should take a few minutes and watch the video on the new Mac notebook battery. It is some piece of technology that didn't add any additional cost to the consumer and it is certainly way ahead of anything being sold today. http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/17inch-battery/
How anybody could say that this was the worse keynote or offering that Apple ever did has got to have their heads up their ass.
And yet they upgraded their most expensive $2799 laptop instead of the $599 mini? The economy seems to be the last thing on their minds.
The biggest problem right now with the economy is the mindset ascribed to above. If you believe the economy is bad and beyond repair you don't spend money. Thus we have a self full filing prophecy and the economy gets worst.
Besides that does anyone recall last year? I mean really talk about short memories, Apple is likely to be rolling out new products for the next couple of months.
Whilst I was looking for updates to the Mac Desktop line (Now seriously outdated, particularly in headless form), my next Mac is a MacBook Pro anyway. I need the horsepower for video production, but I also require portability (I'm buying the machine for University, a Degree in video production). I was planning to grab the 15" model, but the 17" new seems extremely tempting...1920 by 1200 is a lot of pixels. And I sure do like an abundance of pixels.
Decisions, decisons. A least I can get it with a glorious glossy screen either way.
...but the 25th anniversary of the Mac presents an ideal opportunity. It really says more about Apple making announcements to suit their own timetable, rather than one imposed by IDG.
So, having felt excessively glum about the lack of Mac Mini/xMac today, I'm feeling far more optimistic for Jan 24th (...no doubt only to have my hopes dashed once more).
As far as I remember, Apple never celebrated any of it's birthdays with new hardware (except for the 20th Anniversary Mac back in '97 which, I think, was before Steve returned). Or did they?
Not to pick on you personally, but the hyperbole on this thread is super-duper waay out of control.
"Worst keynote ever?" Come on.
It was pretty much exactly the same as any of Steve's presentations. Heck the wording was almost the same. It's just a script and anyone can read it. The introduction of two new software suites is hardly nothing.
The new iWork seems to add most everything that was "missing" making it a serious competitor to Office now. For instance Pages has mail merge which is the only feature in Word that was stopping our University from adopting it and sending Microsoft Office out to pasture.
The online component is also a massive deal.
If it wasn't for Engadget making all those stupid remarks on their coverage and failing to actually, you know, cover the details of the presentation people wouldn't be bitching so much I guess.
2 new mainly irrelevant software suites.
serious competitors to Office? give me a break.
Online component massive..??
erm... Google Docs..... most likely better and definitely cheaper.
SL = Second Life (at least to me and millions of others) so I have no idea what you are talking about.
Tip: The correct form is to either spell it out or spell it out the first time and then use the acronym afterwards. I think you need to go back to QE and get JJ'ed.
Snow Leopard (ie: OSX 10.6) - Many folks were expecting a demo of the next OS update, but since it's supposed to not have very many user visible new features it really wouldn't make much sense to show it off at MacWorld.
The biggest problem right now with the economy is the mindset ascribed to above. If you believe the economy is bad and beyond repair you don't spend money. Thus we have a self full filing prophecy and the economy gets worst.
You seem to ignore the fact that many people are unemployed, underemployed, or have decreased incomes or raised expenses. While some of the economy comes from mindset, the fact is that many people have less money available to spend.
I'm not saying apple shouldn't sell their pricier models. What I'm saying is would have killed apple to update the models on the lower end?
All this goes to show is that Apple was totally right about making this their last MacWorld event. All of their product announcements that they do on their own outside of MW reaches tenfold the number of people than this event does.
It is of no surprise nowadays that MW was low-keyed. Heck, most of the stuff out there we already had a heads-up on. Yes a few spoiled fanboys kept expecting Apple to magically pull some super-fusion-powered end-all-be-all product.
I think the 17"MBP is an awesome product. The whiners b******g about the so-called shortcomings of it are probably the same people that whine about the shortcomings of the MacBook Air.
It's not marketed to you. Get over it. This is marketed toward the high-end professionals. But I know it won't be enough for you. The battery could last for a year without a recharge and you'll still find reason to complain about it.
To make a truly portable laptop this large, it has to be lighter and slimmer. I think Apple did a great job. Buy one of the lower-priced models and be done with it.
Yes, the price is a bit high. Yes, there are other makers with more stuff on it but as a complete package, I think it is a good value in the long run. A machine that has everything (including the kitchen sink) and is dirt-cheap doesn't mean squat to me if it has the durability of a Yugo.
After reading the childish remarks here, I'm glad this is the last MacWorld. What ever will some of you whiners do with your time now?
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Troll (again)
What a pathetic response. You just look like a fool if you're going to go around bleating "troll" to any statement you can't refute.
I stand by my comment - some have insisted that there have been worse keynotes in the Jobs years - if that's the case, find the example that proves it.
SL = Second Life (at least to me and millions of others) so I have no idea what you are talking about.
I assume he means Scalable Link, meaning the ability to use multiple GPU's together for more processing power?
Sorry to disappoint you, but the stock didn't crater. It's down about 1.5 as of this writing, which is remarkably little based on the historical after-show drop.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I was referring to an earlier MWSF keynote given by Jobs. My comment was directed at all the people who thought Schiller's presentation was the worst ever.
Troll.
^^Apple bitch^^
I assume he means Scalable Link, meaning the ability to use multiple GPU's together for more processing power?
And while we're at it what's a "MBP" or "OS" or "'09" - what's that short for anyway? I mean, I'm so tired of people using acryonyms!
*sarcasm*...
Troll (again)
^^ Apple bitch (again) ^^
... OK, so it's just the worst since Jobs returned to Apple. Happy?
I don't think you even read what I said.
IMO far from the worst keynote ever. Very similar to every keynote I've ever seen actually, in content and in style.
I mean if you bother to look up the previous keynotes and watch them, there are lots that are kind of dull no matter who is presenting. You'll also find that the script is mostly the same for each and this one is no exception. Phil said everything that Steve would have said if he was there.
To those still thinking it ain't the same without Steve Jobs, I challenge you to point to anything he does (or did), that makes him some consummate pitch-man relative to anyone else delivering the same speech.
Anyone who really believes that "Reality Distortion Field" stuff is putting the wrong kind of herbs in their tea also. It was always just a joky way of referring to the hype that surrounds any Apple product announcement. It's even the same with Windows announcements. Those who were there when the "MS Table" was introduced gushed about it like it was sent from the future, only to come to their senses a few days later. Same thing.
I don't think you even read what I said.
Oh? Did I not read "troll" or "(again)"?
I mean if you bother to look up the previous keynotes and watch them, there are lots that are kind of dull no matter who is presenting.
In fact, I have bothered to look up several, have you?
A number have been cited, and each one I have looked up has turned out to have more announcements of new product than this one.
For the record I'm not talking about "dull", nor do I care one iota who gave the presentation, I'm talking about the actual products announced. I could care less about the presentation itself. I don't spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a keynote presentation and sit down at it to do my job.[/QUOTE]
I stand by my earlier statement - the PRODUCTS announced today were more disappointing than any keynote in memory, at least since Jobs returned. If there was a keynote with a more meagre display of product announced, I'd like to hear it.
Thank god the 17 inch MacBook Pro have anti-glare display. This will save us the whining (at least today).
I still can't believe that Apple is not offering a 500GB HDD for MacBook Pro line. When I bought my MBP I decided to go for 250GB since the 70GB increase doesn't make much difference and it is cheaper to buy 500GB HDD and install it myself.
The battery life on that 17" is insane!!!!
Well, not necessarily. Is it idle battery time, full load battery time..?
I mean, my cheap HP laptop with latest C2D Montevina platform gives 6 hours 15 minutes of idle time with basic 6-cell battery. But realistically I have 4 - 5 hours of light work (browsing, reading, typing)... less for editing photos, videos... or playing DVD. If I pop in 8-cell battery, I'll get close to 8 hours idle time. There might be even 12-cell for this notebook (actually there is secondary 12-cell, but not sure if there is primary one as well)... and that is all existing battery technology stuff.
Now, there are some great new battery technologies in development, some of them promising even 10 times the capacity of existing batteries... but I did notice one of them that is actually getting in production, with big IT companies already announcing batteries for new and replacement ones for existing notebooks this spring (or autumn, if you are in south hemisphere). I would expect that Apple is among them... unless they really designed their own battery this time, which is unlikely.
What the hell is going on? Where are the desktop machines?? Particularly new Mac Pros??
I just checked Apple's web site, but maybe I missed it. What exactly does 1000 charges mean in terms for remaining battery life? Is there an industry standard for calculating this number? Does this mean that after 1000 charges (yes, I realize that not all recharges are equal) that the battery has 80% of the original 8-hour capcity? 50%? 25%?
I'm just wondering how many hours of use you can expect at the end of the battery's 1000-charge life?
A 1,000 full charges. Incremental charging or topping off are not factored. As Apple recommends, you should re-calibrate i.e., fully charge and discharge your battery once a month. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1490
As such, under ideal circumstances, (see article above on temperature, storage and optimal settings, etc., the battery on the should last nearly 8.3 years. However, nothing is ever ideal.
P.S. I would high suggest that everybody should take a few minutes and watch the video on the new Mac notebook battery. It is some piece of technology that didn't add any additional cost to the consumer and it is certainly way ahead of anything being sold today. http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/17inch-battery/
How anybody could say that this was the worse keynote or offering that Apple ever did has got to have their heads up their ass.
And yet they upgraded their most expensive $2799 laptop instead of the $599 mini? The economy seems to be the last thing on their minds.
The biggest problem right now with the economy is the mindset ascribed to above. If you believe the economy is bad and beyond repair you don't spend money. Thus we have a self full filing prophecy and the economy gets worst.
Besides that does anyone recall last year? I mean really talk about short memories, Apple is likely to be rolling out new products for the next couple of months.
Dave
Decisions, decisons. A least I can get it with a glorious glossy screen either way.
...but the 25th anniversary of the Mac presents an ideal opportunity. It really says more about Apple making announcements to suit their own timetable, rather than one imposed by IDG.
So, having felt excessively glum about the lack of Mac Mini/xMac today, I'm feeling far more optimistic for Jan 24th (...no doubt only to have my hopes dashed once more).
As far as I remember, Apple never celebrated any of it's birthdays with new hardware (except for the 20th Anniversary Mac back in '97 which, I think, was before Steve returned). Or did they?
troll (again)
Ballmer's revenge!!!!
Not to pick on you personally, but the hyperbole on this thread is super-duper waay out of control.
"Worst keynote ever?" Come on.
It was pretty much exactly the same as any of Steve's presentations. Heck the wording was almost the same. It's just a script and anyone can read it. The introduction of two new software suites is hardly nothing.
The new iWork seems to add most everything that was "missing" making it a serious competitor to Office now. For instance Pages has mail merge which is the only feature in Word that was stopping our University from adopting it and sending Microsoft Office out to pasture.
The online component is also a massive deal.
If it wasn't for Engadget making all those stupid remarks on their coverage and failing to actually, you know, cover the details of the presentation people wouldn't be bitching so much I guess.
2 new mainly irrelevant software suites.
serious competitors to Office? give me a break.
Online component massive..??
erm... Google Docs..... most likely better and definitely cheaper.
this keynote was like welcome to 2007.
suddenly Windows 7 looks even better!
SL = Second Life (at least to me and millions of others) so I have no idea what you are talking about.
Tip: The correct form is to either spell it out or spell it out the first time and then use the acronym afterwards. I think you need to go back to QE and get JJ'ed.
Snow Leopard (ie: OSX 10.6) - Many folks were expecting a demo of the next OS update, but since it's supposed to not have very many user visible new features it really wouldn't make much sense to show it off at MacWorld.
The biggest problem right now with the economy is the mindset ascribed to above. If you believe the economy is bad and beyond repair you don't spend money. Thus we have a self full filing prophecy and the economy gets worst.
You seem to ignore the fact that many people are unemployed, underemployed, or have decreased incomes or raised expenses. While some of the economy comes from mindset, the fact is that many people have less money available to spend.
I'm not saying apple shouldn't sell their pricier models. What I'm saying is would have killed apple to update the models on the lower end?
It is of no surprise nowadays that MW was low-keyed. Heck, most of the stuff out there we already had a heads-up on. Yes a few spoiled fanboys kept expecting Apple to magically pull some super-fusion-powered end-all-be-all product.
I think the 17"MBP is an awesome product. The whiners b******g about the so-called shortcomings of it are probably the same people that whine about the shortcomings of the MacBook Air.
It's not marketed to you. Get over it. This is marketed toward the high-end professionals. But I know it won't be enough for you. The battery could last for a year without a recharge and you'll still find reason to complain about it.
To make a truly portable laptop this large, it has to be lighter and slimmer. I think Apple did a great job. Buy one of the lower-priced models and be done with it.
Yes, the price is a bit high. Yes, there are other makers with more stuff on it but as a complete package, I think it is a good value in the long run. A machine that has everything (including the kitchen sink) and is dirt-cheap doesn't mean squat to me if it has the durability of a Yugo.
After reading the childish remarks here, I'm glad this is the last MacWorld. What ever will some of you whiners do with your time now?
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