Apple can't be all things to all people. Until they license their systems, we're stuck with their decisions. And this one seems like a really good one for Apple and most of their users. Yes, there will be part of the market that is under-served by this decision, but it's still the right call.
Exactimo! Apple has a narrow product range and they spend a lot of effort making these suit the majority of users. If your needs really aren't served then go buy another product. It is OK to own a PC if it serves you better. It won't make you less of a person or less of an Apple fan. It is also OK to own a PC AND a Mac.
I don't really believe these folks really even exist, but if there *are* people out there (as some people here are arguing), that need to have three or even four batteries for their laptops and swap them back and forth ....
When I had my 17" MacBook Pro, I shelled out for an additional two batteries. I found the MacBook Pro's real-world lifespan to fall well short of Apples quoted lifespan.
But those spare batteries spent most of their time in my backpack. I personally found that whenever the battery got low, it was just as easy to plug the MBP into the wall as it was to swap out the battery. That way I always had three fully charged batteries.
So shelling out for additional batteries was a complete waste of time for me. Additional power adapters ? now that's a different story. You can never have too many power adapters!
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Originally Posted by Virgil-TB2
This kind of gobbling up of resources and environmental abuse, just so you can (likely) watch porn on your transatlantic business flight, is nothing to be proud of at all.
Watching porn on a transatlantic business flight ? that's the dream, isn't it?
Um, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 might have something to say about that (like, no they can't void your warranty just for upgrading with 3rd party parts).
Next!
I would rather see an official statement from Apple stating that do-it-yourself battery replacement will not void the laptop's warranty. But instead, all they have is:
This whole notion of not being able to replace one's battery is what is most appalling. Would you buy a car if the hood was sealed shut and you could not get access? If it were made by Apple I suppose many on here would -regardless. The more that is taken away from one for the sake of design (read thinness) is insane! What's next - no access to anything at all?
By the way- CES was featured on the Today show with the banner headline that "Smaller is the new Bigger"- in everything electronics. This surely is way off that trend for such a public presentation. Why did they need to feature this 17" at the keynote when it was already more or less announced last fall? I guess they are saving the best for later.
True, but the last several times I've flown and thought I would top off my laptop at the airport, I found hundreds of people sitting on the floor of every single outlet in every gate. Unless you fly very early morning or very late night, it's hard to find a free outlet.
...which is why I always care one of these in my laptop bag. It's saved me numerous times at the airport (and those of others, as I have offered up the use of it to people in need of an outlet).
Eventually, I imagine all computers will be that way. We're already there for many consumer electronics and I don't see why the PC won't be there too eventually.
Eventually, I imagine all computers will be that way. We're already there for many consumer electronics and I don't see why the PC won't be there too eventually.
Not true at all. All cameras and most phones have expandable memory and replaceable batteries. Only Apple's iPhone doesn't. Name me some that don't as well and some cameras please. And name some other PC laptops for that matter. Everything and anything that is sealed shut has no need to be opened in the first place. Why would you need to open a DVD player, etc, etc. etc? And those are usually just screwed shut for easy repair access anyway.
I think I'm going to puke. Is AI just a mouthpiece for Apple hype?
It's a bigger, non-removable, battery. The "Adaptive Charging" gives you better performance on cycling, but 300 is a seriously low-ball figure. Polymer batteries have been around forever and are common. On the other hand, no replaceable battery is a serious problem for many people.
If you really want to see something new, look at Toshiba's new Li-Ion batteries, which have serious performance.
Did you count how many time you recharged your last battery before it was considered dead? I would gladly take an 8 hour battery, non-removable option, especially since it only costs $179 to replace it! I paid about $129 for my PowerBook G4 battery that barely lasts beyond 3 hours! Get over yourself.
When I had my 17" MacBook Pro, I shelled out for an additional two batteries. I found the MacBook Pro's real-world lifespan to fall well short of Apples quoted lifespan.
I agree. I have a first-gen MBP and I've never received more than 2.5 hours on a single battery. I have a spare, but it's almost never out of my bag. I have (once) swapped it on a flight, but even on a twelve-hour flight I find I don't really need (or want) to spend much time on my computer. I'd rather watch a movie, read, get up every few hours and walk around and freshen up, and rest.
You must like to be a slave to Apple. Who buys a laptop without a removeable battery?
No swappable battery= NO SALE.
All you do is complain about EVERYTHING Apple does! You are clueless as always. The battery can be replaced for $179. MacBook Air owners are happy with the non-removable battery. iPod and iPhone owners are happy. I have one battery for my PowerBook. I have replaced it once, but I have no need for a spare battery.
And in 30 years or something, everyone will say "why would I need to open a computer?" That is already the attitude of a large segment of the public, and that percentage will only increase.
There will always be the technological "studs" out there who crack things open, and that's a good thing, but for the vast majority, no one will wonder what's going on in there or give it a second thought.
No, it needs 12-18 to convince people who are Apple bashers. Practical folks will line up for this thing. You don't have to be an "Apple fanboy" to see the value in 50% more capacity and 3x the lifetime in a smaller enclosure, in exchange for having to plug in at least once during the workday.
Because Apple can survive off a fixed list of customers for all time to come, without ever needing to add more customers. And as current Apple fans start retiring or dying, who is going to replace them?
All you do is complain about EVERYTHING Apple does! You are clueless as always. The battery can be replaced for $179. MacBook Air owners are happy with the non-removable battery. iPod and iPhone owners are happy. I have one battery for my PowerBook. I have replaced it once, but I have no need for a spare battery.
You're clueless! Of course MacBook Air owners are happy!!
But what about everybody else who refuses to buy for that very reason (and others)? Sales have stalled- no?
Just because you don't need a spare doesn't mean everyone else doesn't as well.
And I don't complain about everything Apple does- I love my iPod Touch even without expandable storage or replaceable battery!
And in 30 years or something, everyone will say "why would I need to open a computer?" That is already the attitude of a large segment of the public, and that percentage will only increase.
Then that large segment of the public better get used to having egg smeared all over their faces. Before Apple introduced the new unibody 15 inch laptops, Mac users, both customers and service professionals, were complaining about the difficulty of servicing Apple laptops and replacing things such as the hard drive. Of course, Apple fanboys defended the difficulty of access with arguments like "size and weight" or "who needs to open a laptop?". Then Apple introduced the new 15 inch MacBook Pro which is both thinner and easier to access.
When people complained about iPods not being able to play video, it was Apple fanboys who responded with: "Why does anyone want a video iPod? Just buy a 12 inch Powerbook G4."
When people complained about third party developers not being able to create native applications for the iPhone, it was Apple fanboys who shot down these complaints with rationalizations like "security", "quality control", "who needs native third party applications?" and "web apps are really, really sweet".
When Mac users complained about having to manually adjust memory settings in System 7 through 9, it was Apple fanboys who dismissed these complaints with "Who needs dynamic memory allocation? Just click Get Info and change the number yourself".
Not true at all. All cameras and most phones have expandable memory and replaceable batteries. Only Apple's iPhone doesn't.
And that prove that people don't care about replaceable batteries as much as you think. Just check the iPhone and iPod sales figures. Seriously, you need to look behind what you want and look at the whole picture. Many people don't care. For those who care, Apple sells the 15" MBP and 13" MB with replaceable battery. You didn't like the new MB and MBP because of their glossy displays and lack of FW for the 13" but they are at No. 6, 14, and 16 on Amazon best selling laptops.
I am sure that Apple is not throwing random decisions with billions of dollars at stake. It seems to me that Apple decision worked good so far and this prove that they are based on market research and not on reading blogs sites or one person preferences.
It is clear that the 17" MBP is not made specific group of people and you've made it cleat that you are not part of that group by asking for smaller laptop. So let's leave those people decide when they review it.
That's a whole lotta' generalization going on there.
I cannot recall a lot of complaints about the iPod not being able to play video. Its a music player I cannot remember many people expecting or demanding that it play video. It wasn't as if that was all that common at the time.
Pretty much everyone complained about the iPhone not having native apps. Many of us argued that it would take some time for Apple to develop the development framework. Which turned out to be more true.
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Originally Posted by Haggar
When people complained about iPods not being able to play video, it was Apple fanboys who responded with: "Why does anyone want a video iPod? Just buy a 12 inch Powerbook G4."
When people complained about third party developers not being able to create native applications for the iPhone, it was Apple fanboys who shot down these complaints with rationalizations like "security", "quality control", "who needs native third party applications?" and "web apps are really, really sweet".
When Mac users complained about having to manually adjust memory settings in System 7 through 9, it was Apple fanboys who dismissed these complaints with "Who needs dynamic memory allocation? Just click Get Info and change the number yourself".
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Apple can't be all things to all people. Until they license their systems, we're stuck with their decisions. And this one seems like a really good one for Apple and most of their users. Yes, there will be part of the market that is under-served by this decision, but it's still the right call.
Exactimo! Apple has a narrow product range and they spend a lot of effort making these suit the majority of users. If your needs really aren't served then go buy another product. It is OK to own a PC if it serves you better. It won't make you less of a person or less of an Apple fan. It is also OK to own a PC AND a Mac.
Sorry, but I don't need to be spoon fed my information from Apple and worship it as doctrine. I trust my observations
I guess the amazon sales numbers posted earlier in the thread were too inconvenient for you
Sorry... my reality distortion field failed there...
Funny, it seems to be working just fine.
EVERYTHING APPLE DOES IS PERFECTION AND THEY ARE GODS. *obey obey obey
The only thing worse then a rabid fanboy is a rabid anti-fanboy
Here's a thought ...
I don't really believe these folks really even exist, but if there *are* people out there (as some people here are arguing), that need to have three or even four batteries for their laptops and swap them back and forth ....
When I had my 17" MacBook Pro, I shelled out for an additional two batteries. I found the MacBook Pro's real-world lifespan to fall well short of Apples quoted lifespan.
But those spare batteries spent most of their time in my backpack. I personally found that whenever the battery got low, it was just as easy to plug the MBP into the wall as it was to swap out the battery. That way I always had three fully charged batteries.
So shelling out for additional batteries was a complete waste of time for me. Additional power adapters ? now that's a different story. You can never have too many power adapters!
This kind of gobbling up of resources and environmental abuse, just so you can (likely) watch porn on your transatlantic business flight, is nothing to be proud of at all.
Watching porn on a transatlantic business flight ? that's the dream, isn't it?
Um, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 might have something to say about that (like, no they can't void your warranty just for upgrading with 3rd party parts).
Next!
I would rather see an official statement from Apple stating that do-it-yourself battery replacement will not void the laptop's warranty. But instead, all they have is:
http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html
"The battery in the 17-inch MacBook Pro should be replaced only by an Apple Authorized Service Provider."
Next!
By the way- CES was featured on the Today show with the banner headline that "Smaller is the new Bigger"- in everything electronics. This surely is way off that trend for such a public presentation. Why did they need to feature this 17" at the keynote when it was already more or less announced last fall? I guess they are saving the best for later.
Please give us a small light laptop already.
True, but the last several times I've flown and thought I would top off my laptop at the airport, I found hundreds of people sitting on the floor of every single outlet in every gate. Unless you fly very early morning or very late night, it's hard to find a free outlet.
...which is why I always care one of these in my laptop bag. It's saved me numerous times at the airport (and those of others, as I have offered up the use of it to people in need of an outlet).
What's next - no access to anything at all?
Eventually, I imagine all computers will be that way. We're already there for many consumer electronics and I don't see why the PC won't be there too eventually.
I have to say, I'm not concerned.
Eventually, I imagine all computers will be that way. We're already there for many consumer electronics and I don't see why the PC won't be there too eventually.
Not true at all. All cameras and most phones have expandable memory and replaceable batteries. Only Apple's iPhone doesn't. Name me some that don't as well and some cameras please. And name some other PC laptops for that matter. Everything and anything that is sealed shut has no need to be opened in the first place. Why would you need to open a DVD player, etc, etc. etc? And those are usually just screwed shut for easy repair access anyway.
I have had to buy 2 iphones just so that I can make it through the day using the iphone as my primary phone.
Have you looked at the Mophie Juicebox? Cheaper than a second phone.
I think I'm going to puke. Is AI just a mouthpiece for Apple hype?
It's a bigger, non-removable, battery. The "Adaptive Charging" gives you better performance on cycling, but 300 is a seriously low-ball figure. Polymer batteries have been around forever and are common. On the other hand, no replaceable battery is a serious problem for many people.
If you really want to see something new, look at Toshiba's new Li-Ion batteries, which have serious performance.
Did you count how many time you recharged your last battery before it was considered dead? I would gladly take an 8 hour battery, non-removable option, especially since it only costs $179 to replace it! I paid about $129 for my PowerBook G4 battery that barely lasts beyond 3 hours! Get over yourself.
When I had my 17" MacBook Pro, I shelled out for an additional two batteries. I found the MacBook Pro's real-world lifespan to fall well short of Apples quoted lifespan.
I agree. I have a first-gen MBP and I've never received more than 2.5 hours on a single battery. I have a spare, but it's almost never out of my bag. I have (once) swapped it on a flight, but even on a twelve-hour flight I find I don't really need (or want) to spend much time on my computer. I'd rather watch a movie, read, get up every few hours and walk around and freshen up, and rest.
You must like to be a slave to Apple. Who buys a laptop without a removeable battery?
No swappable battery= NO SALE.
All you do is complain about EVERYTHING Apple does! You are clueless as always. The battery can be replaced for $179. MacBook Air owners are happy with the non-removable battery. iPod and iPhone owners are happy. I have one battery for my PowerBook. I have replaced it once, but I have no need for a spare battery.
There will always be the technological "studs" out there who crack things open, and that's a good thing, but for the vast majority, no one will wonder what's going on in there or give it a second thought.
Try wearing a turbine or reading from ....
Would that be a General Electric Turbine or a Rolls Royce Turbine? And wouldn't the jet wash mess up the hair of the woman sitting behind you??!?!?
No, it needs 12-18 to convince people who are Apple bashers. Practical folks will line up for this thing. You don't have to be an "Apple fanboy" to see the value in 50% more capacity and 3x the lifetime in a smaller enclosure, in exchange for having to plug in at least once during the workday.
Because Apple can survive off a fixed list of customers for all time to come, without ever needing to add more customers. And as current Apple fans start retiring or dying, who is going to replace them?
All you do is complain about EVERYTHING Apple does! You are clueless as always. The battery can be replaced for $179. MacBook Air owners are happy with the non-removable battery. iPod and iPhone owners are happy. I have one battery for my PowerBook. I have replaced it once, but I have no need for a spare battery.
You're clueless! Of course MacBook Air owners are happy!!
But what about everybody else who refuses to buy for that very reason (and others)? Sales have stalled- no?
Just because you don't need a spare doesn't mean everyone else doesn't as well.
And I don't complain about everything Apple does- I love my iPod Touch even without expandable storage or replaceable battery!
And in 30 years or something, everyone will say "why would I need to open a computer?" That is already the attitude of a large segment of the public, and that percentage will only increase.
Then that large segment of the public better get used to having egg smeared all over their faces. Before Apple introduced the new unibody 15 inch laptops, Mac users, both customers and service professionals, were complaining about the difficulty of servicing Apple laptops and replacing things such as the hard drive. Of course, Apple fanboys defended the difficulty of access with arguments like "size and weight" or "who needs to open a laptop?". Then Apple introduced the new 15 inch MacBook Pro which is both thinner and easier to access.
When people complained about iPods not being able to play video, it was Apple fanboys who responded with: "Why does anyone want a video iPod? Just buy a 12 inch Powerbook G4."
When people complained about third party developers not being able to create native applications for the iPhone, it was Apple fanboys who shot down these complaints with rationalizations like "security", "quality control", "who needs native third party applications?" and "web apps are really, really sweet".
When Mac users complained about having to manually adjust memory settings in System 7 through 9, it was Apple fanboys who dismissed these complaints with "Who needs dynamic memory allocation? Just click Get Info and change the number yourself".
Not true at all. All cameras and most phones have expandable memory and replaceable batteries. Only Apple's iPhone doesn't.
And that prove that people don't care about replaceable batteries as much as you think. Just check the iPhone and iPod sales figures. Seriously, you need to look behind what you want and look at the whole picture. Many people don't care. For those who care, Apple sells the 15" MBP and 13" MB with replaceable battery. You didn't like the new MB and MBP because of their glossy displays and lack of FW for the 13" but they are at No. 6, 14, and 16 on Amazon best selling laptops.
I am sure that Apple is not throwing random decisions with billions of dollars at stake. It seems to me that Apple decision worked good so far and this prove that they are based on market research and not on reading blogs sites or one person preferences.
It is clear that the 17" MBP is not made specific group of people and you've made it cleat that you are not part of that group by asking for smaller laptop. So let's leave those people decide when they review it.
You're clueless! Of course MacBook Air owners are happy!!
But what about everybody else who refuses to buy for that reason (and others)? Sales have stalled- no?
I cannot recall a lot of complaints about the iPod not being able to play video. Its a music player I cannot remember many people expecting or demanding that it play video. It wasn't as if that was all that common at the time.
Pretty much everyone complained about the iPhone not having native apps. Many of us argued that it would take some time for Apple to develop the development framework. Which turned out to be more true.
When people complained about iPods not being able to play video, it was Apple fanboys who responded with: "Why does anyone want a video iPod? Just buy a 12 inch Powerbook G4."
When people complained about third party developers not being able to create native applications for the iPhone, it was Apple fanboys who shot down these complaints with rationalizations like "security", "quality control", "who needs native third party applications?" and "web apps are really, really sweet".
When Mac users complained about having to manually adjust memory settings in System 7 through 9, it was Apple fanboys who dismissed these complaints with "Who needs dynamic memory allocation? Just click Get Info and change the number yourself".