Stealing is stealing no matter how much you try to justify or rationalize it.
Have a nice life. Karma can be a nasty thing.
Well this is just an idiotic thing to say. If the magical force of "karma" is indeed a real thing, then I guess you will also have a few problems yourself later on, right?
The number of idiots downloading these astound me. Especially since they could both be downloaded directly from their respective manufacturer.
Honestly, they get what is coming to them.
What I find amusing is that while Windows malware writers are hitting left and right in all ways they can, the only currently publicized Mac Malware is targetting only those that pirate. So the innocent and good people that pay for what's on their computers are safe.
It's like a computer version of Dexter, only killing bad people.
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Originally Posted by copeland
How does Intego know the exact numbers how often these "spezial" software packages have been downloaded.
they are coming from torrent sites who often publish the number of downloads because in torrent culture a high download count is like a 5 star rating.
There are others working on this to prove it was from a startup Mac AV software company. You gotta be kidding me naming the service "Trojan" unless you made some lame couple line code application to remove it, IF YOU PAY for that program...
There are many ways to prevent piracy but with the small market share of the Mac, the fact there is NO difference between single user and family pack, Apple has found most Mac users to be fair and honest.
So to recap and summarize: You want to infect the uninfectable Mac? You need the user to be tricked into giving you the rights so you take an app people will/likely steal and modify the Installer (very easy to do, it comes with every mac called Xcode) and have it add your service. The service then acts like an IRC program that then has the rights to run certain things on that mac.
This demonstration was done years ago in 10.4 early days. It was also easily caught because EVEN though it has Root privileges it still calls the user for a password to install on certain things. This is where the new 10.5 security features came into play.
If someone with the Flu sneezes in your face you may just catch the bug! Worms can spread from computer to computer in a variety of ways.
Malicious software can spread itself in many different ways. However, there is no evidence that this is spreading itself by any means other than infected pirate software.
Mostly I was laughing at the unintentional implied approval of pirating software, and also that every article or press release put out by an anti-virus company eventually ends as an advertisement for their products.
The number of idiots downloading these astound me. Especially since they could both be downloaded directly from their respective manufacturer.
Honestly, they get what is coming to them.
Adobe has crazy pricing and generally sell crazy packages with stupid collection of apps that most users won't ever need. The price is too steep to suddenly jump onto the legitimate train for most users. They have too little competition so they behave accordingly... and now since they bought Macromedia they successfully eliminated one of its competitors. Hacking their apps is a protest against their policy. It won't hurt them too bad. It helps them sustain market share you know. Pirated market share is the next best to legitimate market share.
CS4 seems very aggressive to keep the the pirates away, successfully hurting their own market share in the industry... makes me wonder what's going on in the cellar of Adobe...
I agree with the general tone here which is they got what they deserved.
Look, if you go into a convenient store and grab a shit load of cheese puffs, hot pockets and beer and take off for the exit without paying and on the way out the door you slip and fall on some ice and break your wrist... oh well. You got what you deserved. This is no different and definitely no reason anyone should feel sorry for them.
Adobe has crazy pricing and generally sell crazy packages with stupid collection of apps that most users won't ever need. The price is too steep to suddenly jump onto the legitimate train for most users. They have too little competition so they behave accordingly... and now since they bought Macromedia they successfully eliminated one of its competitors. Hacking their apps is a protest against their policy. It won't hurt them too bad. It helps them sustain market share you know. Pirated market share is the next best to legitimate market share.
CS4 seems very aggressive to keep the the pirates away, successfully hurting their own market share in the industry... makes me wonder what's going on in the cellar of Adobe...
I have to say, the copy protection embedded in Adobe CS3 is doing-my-head-in at the moment.
I understand the need for Adobe to protect their intellectual property - and hence the need for some means of copy protection, but Adobes current implementation throws up too many barriers for legitimate, paying customers.
When it is easier for thieves to download and crack the software, than it is for legitimate users to manage their installations, then Adobe has a problem.
Even although I have purchased CS3, and have a valid serial number etc., currently it would be easier for me to install a cracked version, as I have reached the unpublished 'Deactivation Limit' which Adobe keeps hush.
I won't be buying CS4, because of the issues I have run into with activation/deactivation of CS3. I would happily pay for CS4, I don't have a problem with the price, but I do have a problem with not being able to use it as I see fit.
It looks like we've been doing pretty well in helping convert the Windows users over to Macs. Now it looks like we're going to have to help teach them how wrong it is to pirate software and the damage it can cause. You think they would have learned this already with running Windows but I guess old habits die hard.
How does Intego know the exact numbers how often these "spezial" software packages have been downloaded. I would think if these packages are on P2P no one can really know!
Its probably Intego who got paid by microsoft to start making viruses so that 1 it actualy had something to defend and 2 Not make Windows look like such a vulnurable piece of crap. (just kidding.. i think.. but a funny thought)
And I agree with whoever said that you can just do it the good ol fashion legal way if your gonna get software. I mean yea photoshop CS4 is like what 500. 600 bucks but if your actualy a user who needs it will fork it over. Im planning on purchasing the CS4 design premium and thatll set me back a good 1600 bucks i think it is. almost the price of the computer itself lol
No one can seem to find these 20,000 people that Intego claims exist. I've looked at the file list for every copy of CS4 and iWork 09 that I can find, and I do not see these files.
Intego is a small virus software company that's about to get clobbered by the recession. And now we all know that Appleinsider is either in bed with them (and knowingly posted this bullshit), or are idiots (and unknowingly posted this bullshit without checking their facts). Either way, they both lose. Appleinsider has shown itself to be a worthless source of information, and Intego has shown itself to be shady and untrustworthy.
No one can seem to find these 20,000 people that Intego claims exist. I've looked at the file list for every copy of CS4 and iWork 09 that I can find, and I do not see these files.
Intego is a small virus software company that's about to get clobbered by the recession. And now we all know that Appleinsider is either in bed with them (and knowingly posted this bullshit), or are idiots (and unknowingly posted this bullshit without checking their facts). Either way, they both lose. Appleinsider has shown itself to be a worthless source of information, and Intego has shown itself to be shady and untrustworthy.
There just posting the Feed. It's on front Page of Yahoo.com same word/word article.
There are some that "believe" Intego created this, distributed it... Then a week later claim a way to remove it.
If case someone has this trogan installed here is how to remove it. I did not install iWork on my Macbook, but I was curious if I had anything on it so I ran this program and I also ran MacScan. Lo and behold, found nothing.
Wellll, yesss....... but even Linux can be vulnerable to Trojans..... it requires some kind of 'user participation', but you can be just as at risk if you get fooled into installing it....
Someone earlier tried to say that virii, trojans, etc. were synonymous. Only true in that they all fall into the 'malware' category..... but the names as defined are pretty good differentiators.
Virus : malware that can infect a system without direct user involvement. Typically spreads/replicates itself to other systems. (Like a real virus... thus the name.)
Trojan : Concept derived from the famous "Trojan Horse" story. Typically embedded malware that looks like something else, but hides itself until it's 'inside the walls'. Usually requires some kind of direct user action. Not usually able to self-replicate, although Trojans can carry a virus as part of their package.
So far, the only active 'in the wild' OSX malware I've read about requires spoofing, trojans, or other 'social trickery' to overcome security safeguards.
Exploiting ignorance is a terrible weapon...
Funny, the first question that popped into my head when reading the post was, "Did Intego plant this thing??"..... it's almost too obvious, you know?
Thinking like that makes me some kind of crazy conspiracy theorist though, doesn't it.....
Check your dictionary. Stealing is taking something that does not belong to you. It has nothing to do with the person/company you took it from.
Last I checked, Adobe was an upstanding company.
Agreed. I find it ridiculous that people are so mad at Adobe for charging so much for their products. They have the right to charge whatever they want. If you don't feel their product is worth it, then don't buy it. As someone who works professionally in graphic design, I find their products to be worth the money.
I do agree with the person who was getting annoyed at the uninstall limit, however. That's just nasty. I did not know that existed.
I agree that software piracy is illegal and stupid. What about the trojan writers? Sure, they're just inflicting a little karma on the pirates, but don't they need to be taught a lesson. Intego needs to make public the 2 IP addresses that the trojan is contacting. Maybe somebody could DDoS them and shut down the threat on that end.
Symantec has made it public in their discussion of the trojan horse.
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Stealing is stealing no matter how much you try to justify or rationalize it.
Have a nice life. Karma can be a nasty thing.
Well this is just an idiotic thing to say. If the magical force of "karma" is indeed a real thing, then I guess you will also have a few problems yourself later on, right?
What's the karmic return on being dumb?
The number of idiots downloading these astound me. Especially since they could both be downloaded directly from their respective manufacturer.
Honestly, they get what is coming to them.
What I find amusing is that while Windows malware writers are hitting left and right in all ways they can, the only currently publicized Mac Malware is targetting only those that pirate. So the innocent and good people that pay for what's on their computers are safe.
It's like a computer version of Dexter, only killing bad people.
How does Intego know the exact numbers how often these "spezial" software packages have been downloaded.
they are coming from torrent sites who often publish the number of downloads because in torrent culture a high download count is like a 5 star rating.
There are many ways to prevent piracy but with the small market share of the Mac, the fact there is NO difference between single user and family pack, Apple has found most Mac users to be fair and honest.
So to recap and summarize: You want to infect the uninfectable Mac? You need the user to be tricked into giving you the rights so you take an app people will/likely steal and modify the Installer (very easy to do, it comes with every mac called Xcode) and have it add your service. The service then acts like an IRC program that then has the rights to run certain things on that mac.
This demonstration was done years ago in 10.4 early days. It was also easily caught because EVEN though it has Root privileges it still calls the user for a password to install on certain things. This is where the new 10.5 security features came into play.
If someone with the Flu sneezes in your face you may just catch the bug! Worms can spread from computer to computer in a variety of ways.
Malicious software can spread itself in many different ways. However, there is no evidence that this is spreading itself by any means other than infected pirate software.
Mostly I was laughing at the unintentional implied approval of pirating software, and also that every article or press release put out by an anti-virus company eventually ends as an advertisement for their products.
The number of idiots downloading these astound me. Especially since they could both be downloaded directly from their respective manufacturer.
Honestly, they get what is coming to them.
Adobe has crazy pricing and generally sell crazy packages with stupid collection of apps that most users won't ever need. The price is too steep to suddenly jump onto the legitimate train for most users. They have too little competition so they behave accordingly... and now since they bought Macromedia they successfully eliminated one of its competitors. Hacking their apps is a protest against their policy. It won't hurt them too bad. It helps them sustain market share you know. Pirated market share is the next best to legitimate market share.
CS4 seems very aggressive to keep the the pirates away, successfully hurting their own market share in the industry... makes me wonder what's going on in the cellar of Adobe...
Look, if you go into a convenient store and grab a shit load of cheese puffs, hot pockets and beer and take off for the exit without paying and on the way out the door you slip and fall on some ice and break your wrist... oh well. You got what you deserved. This is no different and definitely no reason anyone should feel sorry for them.
Adobe has crazy pricing and generally sell crazy packages with stupid collection of apps that most users won't ever need. The price is too steep to suddenly jump onto the legitimate train for most users. They have too little competition so they behave accordingly... and now since they bought Macromedia they successfully eliminated one of its competitors. Hacking their apps is a protest against their policy. It won't hurt them too bad. It helps them sustain market share you know. Pirated market share is the next best to legitimate market share.
CS4 seems very aggressive to keep the the pirates away, successfully hurting their own market share in the industry... makes me wonder what's going on in the cellar of Adobe...
I have to say, the copy protection embedded in Adobe CS3 is doing-my-head-in at the moment.
I understand the need for Adobe to protect their intellectual property - and hence the need for some means of copy protection, but Adobes current implementation throws up too many barriers for legitimate, paying customers.
When it is easier for thieves to download and crack the software, than it is for legitimate users to manage their installations, then Adobe has a problem.
Even although I have purchased CS3, and have a valid serial number etc., currently it would be easier for me to install a cracked version, as I have reached the unpublished 'Deactivation Limit' which Adobe keeps hush.
I won't be buying CS4, because of the issues I have run into with activation/deactivation of CS3. I would happily pay for CS4, I don't have a problem with the price, but I do have a problem with not being able to use it as I see fit.
It looks like we've been doing pretty well in helping convert the Windows users over to Macs. Now it looks like we're going to have to help teach them how wrong it is to pirate software and the damage it can cause. You think they would have learned this already with running Windows but I guess old habits die hard.
How does Intego know the exact numbers how often these "spezial" software packages have been downloaded. I would think if these packages are on P2P no one can really know!
Its probably Intego who got paid by microsoft to start making viruses so that 1 it actualy had something to defend and 2 Not make Windows look like such a vulnurable piece of crap. (just kidding.. i think.. but a funny thought)
And I agree with whoever said that you can just do it the good ol fashion legal way if your gonna get software. I mean yea photoshop CS4 is like what 500. 600 bucks but if your actualy a user who needs it will fork it over. Im planning on purchasing the CS4 design premium and thatll set me back a good 1600 bucks i think it is. almost the price of the computer itself lol
Intego is a small virus software company that's about to get clobbered by the recession. And now we all know that Appleinsider is either in bed with them (and knowingly posted this bullshit), or are idiots (and unknowingly posted this bullshit without checking their facts). Either way, they both lose. Appleinsider has shown itself to be a worthless source of information, and Intego has shown itself to be shady and untrustworthy.
No one can seem to find these 20,000 people that Intego claims exist. I've looked at the file list for every copy of CS4 and iWork 09 that I can find, and I do not see these files.
Intego is a small virus software company that's about to get clobbered by the recession. And now we all know that Appleinsider is either in bed with them (and knowingly posted this bullshit), or are idiots (and unknowingly posted this bullshit without checking their facts). Either way, they both lose. Appleinsider has shown itself to be a worthless source of information, and Intego has shown itself to be shady and untrustworthy.
There just posting the Feed. It's on front Page of Yahoo.com same word/word article.
There are some that "believe" Intego created this, distributed it... Then a week later claim a way to remove it.
So stealing is ok as long as what is being stolen is expensive?
Gotta love that logic.
You got that wrong. What he meant was: stealing from a crook is not stealing.
http://www.securemac.com/
or just download here:
http://macscan.securemac.com/files/i...emovalTool.dmg
Kinda makes me glad I use Linux!
RT
www.total-privacy.us.tc
Wellll, yesss....... but even Linux can be vulnerable to Trojans..... it requires some kind of 'user participation', but you can be just as at risk if you get fooled into installing it....
Someone earlier tried to say that virii, trojans, etc. were synonymous. Only true in that they all fall into the 'malware' category..... but the names as defined are pretty good differentiators.
Virus : malware that can infect a system without direct user involvement. Typically spreads/replicates itself to other systems. (Like a real virus... thus the name.)
Trojan : Concept derived from the famous "Trojan Horse" story. Typically embedded malware that looks like something else, but hides itself until it's 'inside the walls'. Usually requires some kind of direct user action. Not usually able to self-replicate, although Trojans can carry a virus as part of their package.
So far, the only active 'in the wild' OSX malware I've read about requires spoofing, trojans, or other 'social trickery' to overcome security safeguards.
Exploiting ignorance is a terrible weapon...
Funny, the first question that popped into my head when reading the post was, "Did Intego plant this thing??"..... it's almost too obvious, you know?
Thinking like that makes me some kind of crazy conspiracy theorist though, doesn't it.....
You got that wrong. What he meant was: stealing from a crook is not stealing.
Check your dictionary. Stealing is taking something that does not belong to you. It has nothing to do with the person/company you took it from.
Last I checked, Adobe was an upstanding company.
Check your dictionary. Stealing is taking something that does not belong to you. It has nothing to do with the person/company you took it from.
Last I checked, Adobe was an upstanding company.
Agreed. I find it ridiculous that people are so mad at Adobe for charging so much for their products. They have the right to charge whatever they want. If you don't feel their product is worth it, then don't buy it. As someone who works professionally in graphic design, I find their products to be worth the money.
I do agree with the person who was getting annoyed at the uninstall limit, however. That's just nasty. I did not know that existed.
-_-
I agree that software piracy is illegal and stupid. What about the trojan writers? Sure, they're just inflicting a little karma on the pirates, but don't they need to be taught a lesson. Intego needs to make public the 2 IP addresses that the trojan is contacting. Maybe somebody could DDoS them and shut down the threat on that end.
Symantec has made it public in their discussion of the trojan horse.