Does this answer everyone's questions about when Apple will add Blu-Ray?
Apple has no choice.. they have to support it. What's taking them so long is:
#1 the DRM requirements on an operating system are Fierce. This is why Apple has moved to Snow Leopard being completely PowerPC free. It will have to be. This is also why they are moving to DisplayPort displays and video cards so that it's current shipping PC's will have the proper Hardware compatibility for when the movie studios enforce that restriction.
#2 The movie studios themselves have investetd too much in BluRay to see it not invested in by Apple. Apple could tell the Movie Studios stuff it.. we're not going to support Blu-Ray and then the movie studios will say.. Stuff it, we won't send you your movies...Yeah.. Not gonna happen. Apple is going to support BluRay
#3 Consumers..,I'm not alone that I live in a place where my comptuer is my everything including my vehicle to watch movies. I want to be able to watch a BluRay from Blockbuster from time to time. It's sometimes still more convenient than downloading from iTunes and quite honestly looks better. The only hold up is the DRM.
#4 Authoring a BluRay DVD is a pain the royal Butt! I know pro video people who still can't quite figure it out. It's a VERY difficult and elaborate thing to do. Sony is the only company that so far has a lock on how to do and do it well. If you buy their proprietary software, then you can do it.. (BIG SURPRISE!) Apple has to find a way to build this into FinalCut Pro's DVD studio PRO, AND iDVD! Toast does it too.. but even toast has issues.
#5 Apple would not waste it's time on the BluRay board if it weren't going to support it's technology. It's still on the board and has been there so that it can keep up with what's going on. Steve Jobs didn't say "We won't support BluRay". He said, "It's a mixed bag".. which means.. we are still ironing out all the issues we have with it and it will be ready when we do that..
Anyway Blue Ray advocates, the next two/three years will see a MAJOR shift in how we view video, and I'm fairly certain that Apple will be at the forefront of it all.
That 'hobby' everyone ridicules (Apples ugly duckling) is going to morph into something quite spectacular.
>=40/50mbps fiber/adsl will be commonplace, 4g wireless, instant streaming of HD film has a convenience factor that makes physical media look clumsy . And services such as Youtube coupled with 'social' apps will replace the distribution aspect of physical formats. Optical drives will be rare on laptops/netbooks and non existent on phones (obviously, but my point is, our phones will become more signifiant viewing and storage devices).
No single above device or feature will destroy Betamax, but taken as a whole there are an awful lot of reasons to live in the 'cloud', and progress.
Hear hear! I'm looking at the Macbook Unibody and thinking "get rid of the optical drive that I never use and add FW back"
I think Apple laptops are going to look a whole lot different in a couple of years. Optical drives will probably not be standard. Can't say I'll miss'em. As long as I have an external drive that I can use in a pinch for multiple Macs i'm happy.
so.... how will I rip my DVD's into soft-content forms without a DVD player?
and don't say a USB dvd player. because I REALLY want to carry around a DVD player anytime I want to rip something. and I REALLY want a DVD player that is slooooowwwwww when I'm ripping content. and I also REALLY want to use one of my USB ports up...
Oh, and don't forget ripping CD's with their much higher-quality formats than mp3 or mp4. Have to rip those too.
so.... how will I rip my DVD's into soft-content forms without a DVD player?
and don't say a USB dvd player. because I REALLY want to carry around a DVD player anytime I want to rip something. and I REALLY want a DVD player that is slooooowwwwww when I'm ripping content. and I also REALLY want to use one of my USB ports up...
Oh, and don't forget ripping CD's with their much higher-quality formats than mp3 or mp4. Have to rip those too.
Then you can buy a notebook from one if the many other be does that will include an iticsl drive, but that is the inevitable trend. Your statement begs the question: Why are you traveling with so many CDs and DVDs that you haven't previously transfered? And do you think this is normal consumer behaviour?
BTW, if you are concerned about speed, then you shouldn't be using anything but a Mac Pro as Apple's 9.5mm slot-loading drives are often slower than even the drives in cheap notebooks from other vendors.
Then you can buy a notebook from one if the many other be does that will include an iticsl drive, but that is the inevitable trend. Your statement begs the question: Why are you traveling with so many CDs and DVDs that you haven't previously transfered? And do you think this is normal consumer behaviour?
BTW, if you are concerned about speed, then you shouldn't be using anything but a Mac Pro as Apple's 9.5mm slot-loading drives are often slower than even the drives in cheap notebooks from other vendors.
I'm not traveling with them... but if I pick up a DVD or CD somewhere while traveling I'd hate to keep it in my backpack the whole time (or if there were no CD or DVD drive not be able to view it). Granted this is a rare use-case. When I buy a portable pro machine, I want no restrictions. I buy it so I can do whatever I want on it, whenever I want. Take it off the macbook... fine. I think if they did that this year or next there would be hell to pay for it, but keep it on the mbp for at least a year after the mb kisses it goodbye.
and seems I've been told on the slow front , though dongle's are exceptionally annoying.
Are you serious? Do you know how long it takes to upload HighDef footage???? Not until the get the internet fixed.
Plenty of HD content on Youtube now and Vimeo.
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so.... how will I rip my DVD's into soft-content forms without a DVD player?
and don't say a USB dvd player. because I REALLY want to carry around a DVD player anytime I want to rip something. and I REALLY want a DVD player that is slooooowwwwww when I'm ripping content. and I also REALLY want to use one of my USB ports up...
Oh, and don't forget ripping CD's with their much higher-quality formats than mp3 or mp4. Have to rip those too.
No keep in mind I don't advocate that a single computer user eschew the optical drive but in a family of multiple computers there really only needs to be one or two optical drives. You can install apps in dmg over a network.
Optical drives sound like a necessity but when you press some people they really haven't used their drive in months. When I exchange files I use USB flash drives or dropbox if the other person has signed up. Eventually with iDisk i'll be able to send a link to a file and they won't even need Dropbox.
Everyone's use is going to be different but frankly if the Ripit/Multiplex combo works well for DVD I'm moving to that.
Homes now how the equivalent of a small business in hardware from printers to phones to computers. Consumers now need to start thinking about sharing resources
I'm not traveling with them... but if I pick up a DVD or CD somewhere while traveling I'd hate to keep it in my backpack the whole time (or if there were no CD or DVD drive not be able to view it). Granted this is a rare use-case. When I buy a portable pro machine, I want no restrictions. I buy it so I can do whatever I want on it, whenever I want. Take it off the macbook... fine. I think if they did that this year or next there would be hell to pay for it, but keep it on the mbp for at least a year after the mb kisses it goodbye.
and seems I've been told on the slow front , though dongle's are exceptionally annoying.
That certainly is a reason you would need it but I still think your case is rare. With so many hotels having high-speed internet and digital downloads growing, I think most will want to rent online from iTS et al. instead of buying a DVD.
The new USB 3.0 spec shouldn't be your bottleneck with using an external optical drive, and that should easily happen before Apple is ready to remove the internal drive.
PS: Im surprised that the MBA was not introduced with a Flash drive installer. The CD/DVD sharing is nice, but the system shouldn't had to rely on any optical drive. I think it would go a long way to prepare people for the inevitable. Perhaps they will do that for the slimmed down code of Snow Leopard, so it'll fit on an 8 GB stick, instead of needing 16GB stick.
I think a lot of people seem to be mixing up the concept of being able to export a movie to a DVD that will play in a player, and making a commercial type DVD with titles and chapters etc.
I work in a place with tons of iMovie action going on and have had to troubleshoot this software since it came out. iDVD has always sucked, has always been difficult to understand, and really is a "low demand" product in the suite. Even amongst large groups of people using and learning iMovie, the number of them that want to make a finished commercial DVD out of it is very small indeed.
What I see far more often is someone with one of those near useless digital tapes that wants to "convert" it into a DVD so they can show it to someone without the camera. IMO that's what the average user wants from a DVD, a means to show a movie they made to someone, not a commercial DVD. They also mostly are not interested at all in finding out about how to author a DVD, what the menu possibilities are and so forth. They just want to show a movie.
Let's face it, commercial DVD's are also fairly lame and don't even use half the potential of the medium. I have almost 2,000 in my collection and I can't think of more than one that uses the "multiple camera angles" feature for instance. BluRays are even "worse" in that (as the article mentions), they have tons of features and are quite complicated to author. Even with the best most user-friendly Apple software to assist, there is just a lot of junk there that no one really cares to learn for the most part.
If they keep it at all, it should be a Pro level product separate form iLife IMO.
You are not too bright, are you? iDVD is very easy to use. Many people make DVD's from their home videos. Better than leaving them on tape. You don't know what you are talking about. It is far more convenient to send a DVD to a family member or friend than to try and explain to them how to go to a website and hope they have the right software to view it. Not all PC users like QuickTime either, so your MobileMe gallery would be useless for them. No one is going to put their family videos on YouTube either.
They don't have to learn how to author a DVD, iDVD does that for them. Commerical DVD's and BluRay discs are fairly lame? Wow, get a clue. When a director shoots a movie, he has a finished product. I don't need to see multiple angles. Just because a movie doesn't offer multiple angles, doesn't mean the format is lame. Since you claim to own 2,000 DVD's, I guess you must be really lame then.
Anyway Blue Ray advocates, the next two/three years will see a MAJOR shift in how we view video, and I'm fairly certain that Apple will be at the forefront of it all.
That 'hobby' everyone ridicules (Apples ugly duckling) is going to morph into something quite spectacular.
>=40/50mbps fiber/adsl will be commonplace, 4g wireless, instant streaming of HD film has a convenience factor that makes physical media look clumsy . And services such as Youtube coupled with 'social' apps will replace the distribution aspect of physical formats. Optical drives will be rare on laptops/netbooks and non existent on phones (obviously, but my point is, our phones will become more signifiant viewing and storage devices).
No single above device or feature will destroy Betamax, but taken as a whole there are an awful lot of reasons to live in the 'cloud', and progress.
(sorry did I say Betamax? I meant Blue Ray)
Good luck with that dream. What is it like to live in a fantasy world all day long? Do you know that the Senate passed a bill to delay the Digital TV transition because they said a large amount of the population are not ready for it? Either they cannot afford a new TV, or that they could not get the voucher from the government (mainly because people that don't need them claimed them and the government ran out). The House denied it, but it could still be delayed.
Super high speed internet won't be as commonplace as you think. Either people won't be able to afford it, they don't really care for it, or it won't even be in their area. Instant streaming of HD? Good luck with that. DVD and BluRay aren't going anywhere. The millions sold daily confirm that. If I like a movie, I want to own it, not stream it over the internet. I would much rather watch a movie in 1080p, than in 720p. YouTube quality is crap and no one wants to crowd around a computer monitor to watch a video. The new popup ads on the video make it even more fun!
Good luck with that dream. What is it like to live in a fantasy world all day long? Do you know that the Senate passed a bill to delay the Digital TV transition because they said a large amount of the population are not ready for it? Either they cannot afford a new TV, or that they could not get the voucher from the government (mainly because people that don't need them claimed them and the government ran out). The House denied it, but it could still be delayed.
Super high speed internet won't be as commonplace as you think. Either people won't be able to afford it, they don't really care for it, or it won't even be in their area. Instant streaming of HD? Good luck with that. DVD and BluRay aren't going anywhere. The millions sold daily confirm that. If I like a movie, I want to own it, not stream it over the internet. I would much rather watch a movie in 1080p, than in 720p. YouTube quality is crap and no one wants to crowd around a computer monitor to watch a video. The new popup ads on the video make it even more fun!
Um well the fantasy world i live in is called England
BT "initial market deployment of the Openreach product in early 2010" 40mbps
oh and it costs £35 very reasonable. If I add my extras of (50gb per month) I pay that price now.
Have a guess at what made up that 50gb? No not porn.
But ofcourse I dont really use 50gb per month cos I live in a dream world alll day long !
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Wheres the pink rabbit?
I dont know what strange outpost of the world you live in but almost ALL my mates stream their TV shows, infact last month I gave my TV to my mum because I simply do not ever turn it on. And they distribute their own works via the net as well. None of us use optical formats. Not for a long time. This is not fantasy, this is now.
Enough with the jaundiced attitude about broadband.
My gf has a 1Mb Verizon DSL package. We routinely stream SD Netflix and Hulu
content without too much buffering.
Later on we'll upgrade to 30Mbps cable for roughly $55 a month a 30x improvement.
Yeah I'd say our need for optical is waning. We've watched more streaming movies than actual shipped netflix discs.
Change like this happens quickly. 6 years ago music downloads took off..now look at what we have today.
I don't need anymore landfill clogging discs. iDVD should be kept for legacy application but honestly it's going to take me a long time to go through my 50pk of DVD-R.
a lot of people are asking how software can be distributed without and optical drive, and those people are failing to see the big picture.. thinking like that is the reason it's taking so long to get rid of physical media.
a few people have pointed out flash drives as an alternative, but that's still going to cost a decent amount of cost to package and ship...
people are forgetting about downloads. why not go to itunes, and download the newest version of OS X, or the newest adobe suite. It might take a while, but no longer than driving to the store and buying it and bringing it home. Those stuck in the world of dialup, would possibly be left int he cold, but if you are still using dialup, you probably aren't on the "get rid of physical media" bandwagon anyway. This is where thumb drives would come in handy, but I envision most content coming from the internet, and not thumb drives. Maybe instead of the apple store carrying 200 copies of OS X they only have 10, for those people stuck in dial up. If you are in the store, perhaps you purchase a card with the activation code, and take it home and plug that into itunes, it would be cheaper to manufacture, cheaper ti distribute, and better all around.
a lot of people are asking how software can be distributed without and optical drive, and those people are failing to see the big picture.. thinking like that is the reason it's taking so long to get rid of physical media.
It's more than software distribution that is taking so long to get rid of physical medial. There is bandwidth caps and cost of higher speed internet. There is all my other physical media (what am I going to do with all the disc I currently have?). And how am I going to reinstall/recover if my computer crashes/replace HD? Boot off the DVD or flash drive if you want to use another form of physical media.
as for what you will do with your current piles of physical media lying around, you'll do what you did when VHS was deemed unnecessary, keep a legacy means of viewing it, until eventually you realize it's unnecessary and take it all to goodwill.
as for, what do you do if your computer crashes, you will hopefully be backing up an os purchase to an external drive or a thumb drive you already have lying around, which will be made a step in the installation process... "now, tell us where to make the backup of this software in the event of hard drive failure"... other software packages this could be a choice, or just redownload them, as they will know you legitimately paid for the software in the past.
the blocks of how could I do this, or what about this, while currently and installation of an OS doesn't require a backup, this could be done easliy and nicely done... and this is just something I thought up in 30 seconds, I'm sure appl people are paid much more to come up with similar ideas.
Yes and you can make your videos private on Youtube so that only those you want can access it.
Something to keep in mind is that if the service's security is compromised, that privacy can go along with it. For example, a program managed to breach MySpace's security and I think it managed to make copies of "private" photos of about 17,000 users before anyone realized it happened. As I recall, the collection of photos was posted as a Bittorrent shortly afterwards.
Actually I would wager their is a lot more software that is distributed by the internet than their is being sold on a physical disc in stores. At this point its primarily only the largest apps that need to be installed from a disc, their are thousands of small to medium size apps that are available for download. Most developers I can think of only offer their software for download.
Looking at my own example, the only application I've installed from a disc in 2008 was Leopard. The past couple of years the only other app I installed from a disc was MS Office.
Other than those two all the other apps I've installed over the past couple of years have primarily been internet downloads.
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It's more than software distribution that is taking so long to get rid of physical medial..
Other than those two all the other apps I've installed over the past couple of years have primarily been internet downloads.
Same here. Unless the product takes up a lot of space (ala ilife with the sound libraries) I usually do the download and archive the DMG if I'm worried about re-installation.
I need one optical burner for my Macs. It should rip music and movies fast and burn fast. That's it.
I'd rather have more RAM, or a better GPU in my computers. Now this is coming from a guy that 4 years ago swore he'd never buy software that wasn't on a CD. Now I look at the disc laying around and I don't even want to know what's on them.
A 2TB WD Green HDD is in my future for storing all this crap that I don't want to delete. I've got little desire to backup to DVD-R. Too slow and cumbersom.
as for what you will do with your current piles of physical media lying around, you'll do what you did when VHS was deemed unnecessary, keep a legacy means of viewing it, until eventually you realize it's unnecessary and take it all to goodwill.
as for, what do you do if your computer crashes, you will hopefully be backing up an os purchase to an external drive or a thumb drive you already have lying around, which will be made a step in the installation process... "now, tell us where to make the backup of this software in the event of hard drive failure"... other software packages this could be a choice, or just redownload them, as they will know you legitimately paid for the software in the past.
the blocks of how could I do this, or what about this, while currently and installation of an OS doesn't require a backup, this could be done easliy and nicely done... and this is just something I thought up in 30 seconds, I'm sure appl people are paid much more to come up with similar ideas.
Good thing I never had VHS collection. I do have a big CD and DVD collection (movies and software). I guess I could buy a hard drive and copy everything over if I really wanted to spend money just to change the way I store things.
As for using external drive or thumb drive, sounds like you are advocating physical media, just besides optical media.
It sounds like physical media and optical media isn't going anywhere soon, at least for me it's not. Good thing Apple has the Macbook and the Macbook air for those that don't want the optical drive.
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Does this answer everyone's questions about when Apple will add Blu-Ray?
Apple has no choice.. they have to support it. What's taking them so long is:
#1 the DRM requirements on an operating system are Fierce. This is why Apple has moved to Snow Leopard being completely PowerPC free. It will have to be. This is also why they are moving to DisplayPort displays and video cards so that it's current shipping PC's will have the proper Hardware compatibility for when the movie studios enforce that restriction.
#2 The movie studios themselves have investetd too much in BluRay to see it not invested in by Apple. Apple could tell the Movie Studios stuff it.. we're not going to support Blu-Ray and then the movie studios will say.. Stuff it, we won't send you your movies...Yeah.. Not gonna happen. Apple is going to support BluRay
#3 Consumers..,I'm not alone that I live in a place where my comptuer is my everything including my vehicle to watch movies. I want to be able to watch a BluRay from Blockbuster from time to time. It's sometimes still more convenient than downloading from iTunes and quite honestly looks better. The only hold up is the DRM.
#4 Authoring a BluRay DVD is a pain the royal Butt! I know pro video people who still can't quite figure it out. It's a VERY difficult and elaborate thing to do. Sony is the only company that so far has a lock on how to do and do it well. If you buy their proprietary software, then you can do it.. (BIG SURPRISE!) Apple has to find a way to build this into FinalCut Pro's DVD studio PRO, AND iDVD! Toast does it too.. but even toast has issues.
#5 Apple would not waste it's time on the BluRay board if it weren't going to support it's technology. It's still on the board and has been there so that it can keep up with what's going on. Steve Jobs didn't say "We won't support BluRay". He said, "It's a mixed bag".. which means.. we are still ironing out all the issues we have with it and it will be ready when we do that..
BluRay is coming to Mac...
That 'hobby' everyone ridicules (Apples ugly duckling) is going to morph into something quite spectacular.
>=40/50mbps fiber/adsl will be commonplace, 4g wireless, instant streaming of HD film has a convenience factor that makes physical media look clumsy . And services such as Youtube coupled with 'social' apps will replace the distribution aspect of physical formats. Optical drives will be rare on laptops/netbooks and non existent on phones (obviously, but my point is, our phones will become more signifiant viewing and storage devices).
No single above device or feature will destroy Betamax, but taken as a whole there are an awful lot of reasons to live in the 'cloud', and progress.
(sorry did I say Betamax? I meant Blue Ray)
Hear hear! I'm looking at the Macbook Unibody and thinking "get rid of the optical drive that I never use and add FW back"
I think Apple laptops are going to look a whole lot different in a couple of years. Optical drives will probably not be standard. Can't say I'll miss'em. As long as I have an external drive that I can use in a pinch for multiple Macs i'm happy.
so.... how will I rip my DVD's into soft-content forms without a DVD player?
and don't say a USB dvd player. because I REALLY want to carry around a DVD player anytime I want to rip something. and I REALLY want a DVD player that is slooooowwwwww when I'm ripping content. and I also REALLY want to use one of my USB ports up...
Oh, and don't forget ripping CD's with their much higher-quality formats than mp3 or mp4. Have to rip those too.
so.... how will I rip my DVD's into soft-content forms without a DVD player?
and don't say a USB dvd player. because I REALLY want to carry around a DVD player anytime I want to rip something. and I REALLY want a DVD player that is slooooowwwwww when I'm ripping content. and I also REALLY want to use one of my USB ports up...
Oh, and don't forget ripping CD's with their much higher-quality formats than mp3 or mp4. Have to rip those too.
Then you can buy a notebook from one if the many other be does that will include an iticsl drive, but that is the inevitable trend. Your statement begs the question: Why are you traveling with so many CDs and DVDs that you haven't previously transfered? And do you think this is normal consumer behaviour?
BTW, if you are concerned about speed, then you shouldn't be using anything but a Mac Pro as Apple's 9.5mm slot-loading drives are often slower than even the drives in cheap notebooks from other vendors.
Then you can buy a notebook from one if the many other be does that will include an iticsl drive, but that is the inevitable trend. Your statement begs the question: Why are you traveling with so many CDs and DVDs that you haven't previously transfered? And do you think this is normal consumer behaviour?
BTW, if you are concerned about speed, then you shouldn't be using anything but a Mac Pro as Apple's 9.5mm slot-loading drives are often slower than even the drives in cheap notebooks from other vendors.
I'm not traveling with them... but if I pick up a DVD or CD somewhere while traveling I'd hate to keep it in my backpack the whole time (or if there were no CD or DVD drive not be able to view it). Granted this is a rare use-case. When I buy a portable pro machine, I want no restrictions. I buy it so I can do whatever I want on it, whenever I want. Take it off the macbook... fine. I think if they did that this year or next there would be hell to pay for it, but keep it on the mbp for at least a year after the mb kisses it goodbye.
and seems I've been told on the slow front
Are you serious? Do you know how long it takes to upload HighDef footage???? Not until the get the internet fixed.
Plenty of HD content on Youtube now and Vimeo.
so.... how will I rip my DVD's into soft-content forms without a DVD player?
and don't say a USB dvd player. because I REALLY want to carry around a DVD player anytime I want to rip something. and I REALLY want a DVD player that is slooooowwwwww when I'm ripping content. and I also REALLY want to use one of my USB ports up...
Oh, and don't forget ripping CD's with their much higher-quality formats than mp3 or mp4. Have to rip those too.
No keep in mind I don't advocate that a single computer user eschew the optical drive but in a family of multiple computers there really only needs to be one or two optical drives. You can install apps in dmg over a network.
Optical drives sound like a necessity but when you press some people they really haven't used their drive in months. When I exchange files I use USB flash drives or dropbox if the other person has signed up. Eventually with iDisk i'll be able to send a link to a file and they won't even need Dropbox.
Everyone's use is going to be different but frankly if the Ripit/Multiplex combo works well for DVD I'm moving to that.
Homes now how the equivalent of a small business in hardware from printers to phones to computers. Consumers now need to start thinking about sharing resources
I'm not traveling with them... but if I pick up a DVD or CD somewhere while traveling I'd hate to keep it in my backpack the whole time (or if there were no CD or DVD drive not be able to view it). Granted this is a rare use-case. When I buy a portable pro machine, I want no restrictions. I buy it so I can do whatever I want on it, whenever I want. Take it off the macbook... fine. I think if they did that this year or next there would be hell to pay for it, but keep it on the mbp for at least a year after the mb kisses it goodbye.
and seems I've been told on the slow front
That certainly is a reason you would need it but I still think your case is rare. With so many hotels having high-speed internet and digital downloads growing, I think most will want to rent online from iTS et al. instead of buying a DVD.
The new USB 3.0 spec shouldn't be your bottleneck with using an external optical drive, and that should easily happen before Apple is ready to remove the internal drive.
PS: Im surprised that the MBA was not introduced with a Flash drive installer. The CD/DVD sharing is nice, but the system shouldn't had to rely on any optical drive. I think it would go a long way to prepare people for the inevitable. Perhaps they will do that for the slimmed down code of Snow Leopard, so it'll fit on an 8 GB stick, instead of needing 16GB stick.
I think a lot of people seem to be mixing up the concept of being able to export a movie to a DVD that will play in a player, and making a commercial type DVD with titles and chapters etc.
I work in a place with tons of iMovie action going on and have had to troubleshoot this software since it came out. iDVD has always sucked, has always been difficult to understand, and really is a "low demand" product in the suite. Even amongst large groups of people using and learning iMovie, the number of them that want to make a finished commercial DVD out of it is very small indeed.
What I see far more often is someone with one of those near useless digital tapes that wants to "convert" it into a DVD so they can show it to someone without the camera. IMO that's what the average user wants from a DVD, a means to show a movie they made to someone, not a commercial DVD. They also mostly are not interested at all in finding out about how to author a DVD, what the menu possibilities are and so forth. They just want to show a movie.
Let's face it, commercial DVD's are also fairly lame and don't even use half the potential of the medium. I have almost 2,000 in my collection and I can't think of more than one that uses the "multiple camera angles" feature for instance. BluRays are even "worse" in that (as the article mentions), they have tons of features and are quite complicated to author. Even with the best most user-friendly Apple software to assist, there is just a lot of junk there that no one really cares to learn for the most part.
If they keep it at all, it should be a Pro level product separate form iLife IMO.
You are not too bright, are you? iDVD is very easy to use. Many people make DVD's from their home videos. Better than leaving them on tape. You don't know what you are talking about. It is far more convenient to send a DVD to a family member or friend than to try and explain to them how to go to a website and hope they have the right software to view it. Not all PC users like QuickTime either, so your MobileMe gallery would be useless for them. No one is going to put their family videos on YouTube either.
They don't have to learn how to author a DVD, iDVD does that for them. Commerical DVD's and BluRay discs are fairly lame? Wow, get a clue. When a director shoots a movie, he has a finished product. I don't need to see multiple angles. Just because a movie doesn't offer multiple angles, doesn't mean the format is lame. Since you claim to own 2,000 DVD's, I guess you must be really lame then.
No one is going to put their family videos on YouTube either.
Social apps will distribute family videos. Facebookers are already posting material which they would otherwise not post on youtube.
It's already happening, and it's unstoppable
That why Apple need to pull their finger out on the Social side of things.
Anyway Blue Ray advocates, the next two/three years will see a MAJOR shift in how we view video, and I'm fairly certain that Apple will be at the forefront of it all.
That 'hobby' everyone ridicules (Apples ugly duckling) is going to morph into something quite spectacular.
>=40/50mbps fiber/adsl will be commonplace, 4g wireless, instant streaming of HD film has a convenience factor that makes physical media look clumsy . And services such as Youtube coupled with 'social' apps will replace the distribution aspect of physical formats. Optical drives will be rare on laptops/netbooks and non existent on phones (obviously, but my point is, our phones will become more signifiant viewing and storage devices).
No single above device or feature will destroy Betamax, but taken as a whole there are an awful lot of reasons to live in the 'cloud', and progress.
(sorry did I say Betamax? I meant Blue Ray)
Good luck with that dream. What is it like to live in a fantasy world all day long? Do you know that the Senate passed a bill to delay the Digital TV transition because they said a large amount of the population are not ready for it? Either they cannot afford a new TV, or that they could not get the voucher from the government (mainly because people that don't need them claimed them and the government ran out). The House denied it, but it could still be delayed.
Super high speed internet won't be as commonplace as you think. Either people won't be able to afford it, they don't really care for it, or it won't even be in their area. Instant streaming of HD? Good luck with that. DVD and BluRay aren't going anywhere. The millions sold daily confirm that. If I like a movie, I want to own it, not stream it over the internet. I would much rather watch a movie in 1080p, than in 720p. YouTube quality is crap and no one wants to crowd around a computer monitor to watch a video. The new popup ads on the video make it even more fun!
Social apps will distribute family videos. Facebookers are already posting material which they would otherwise not post on youtube.
It's already happening, and it's unstoppable
That why Apple need to pull their finger out on the Social side of things.
Yes and you can make your videos private on Youtube so that only those you want can access it.
Good luck with that dream. What is it like to live in a fantasy world all day long? Do you know that the Senate passed a bill to delay the Digital TV transition because they said a large amount of the population are not ready for it? Either they cannot afford a new TV, or that they could not get the voucher from the government (mainly because people that don't need them claimed them and the government ran out). The House denied it, but it could still be delayed.
Super high speed internet won't be as commonplace as you think. Either people won't be able to afford it, they don't really care for it, or it won't even be in their area. Instant streaming of HD? Good luck with that. DVD and BluRay aren't going anywhere. The millions sold daily confirm that. If I like a movie, I want to own it, not stream it over the internet. I would much rather watch a movie in 1080p, than in 720p. YouTube quality is crap and no one wants to crowd around a computer monitor to watch a video. The new popup ads on the video make it even more fun!
Um well the fantasy world i live in is called England
BT "initial market deployment of the Openreach product in early 2010" 40mbps
Virgin 50mbps this year http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/08/v...s-cable-modem/
oh and it costs £35 very reasonable. If I add my extras of (50gb per month) I pay that price now.
Have a guess at what made up that 50gb? No not porn.
But ofcourse I dont really use 50gb per month cos I live in a dream world alll day long !
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Wheres the pink rabbit?
I dont know what strange outpost of the world you live in but almost ALL my mates stream their TV shows, infact last month I gave my TV to my mum because I simply do not ever turn it on. And they distribute their own works via the net as well. None of us use optical formats. Not for a long time. This is not fantasy, this is now.
My gf has a 1Mb Verizon DSL package. We routinely stream SD Netflix and Hulu
content without too much buffering.
Later on we'll upgrade to 30Mbps cable for roughly $55 a month a 30x improvement.
Yeah I'd say our need for optical is waning. We've watched more streaming movies than actual shipped netflix discs.
Change like this happens quickly. 6 years ago music downloads took off..now look at what we have today.
I don't need anymore landfill clogging discs. iDVD should be kept for legacy application but honestly it's going to take me a long time to go through my 50pk of DVD-R.
a few people have pointed out flash drives as an alternative, but that's still going to cost a decent amount of cost to package and ship...
people are forgetting about downloads. why not go to itunes, and download the newest version of OS X, or the newest adobe suite. It might take a while, but no longer than driving to the store and buying it and bringing it home. Those stuck in the world of dialup, would possibly be left int he cold, but if you are still using dialup, you probably aren't on the "get rid of physical media" bandwagon anyway. This is where thumb drives would come in handy, but I envision most content coming from the internet, and not thumb drives. Maybe instead of the apple store carrying 200 copies of OS X they only have 10, for those people stuck in dial up. If you are in the store, perhaps you purchase a card with the activation code, and take it home and plug that into itunes, it would be cheaper to manufacture, cheaper ti distribute, and better all around.
a lot of people are asking how software can be distributed without and optical drive, and those people are failing to see the big picture.. thinking like that is the reason it's taking so long to get rid of physical media.
It's more than software distribution that is taking so long to get rid of physical medial. There is bandwidth caps and cost of higher speed internet. There is all my other physical media (what am I going to do with all the disc I currently have?). And how am I going to reinstall/recover if my computer crashes/replace HD? Boot off the DVD or flash drive if you want to use another form of physical media.
as for, what do you do if your computer crashes, you will hopefully be backing up an os purchase to an external drive or a thumb drive you already have lying around, which will be made a step in the installation process... "now, tell us where to make the backup of this software in the event of hard drive failure"... other software packages this could be a choice, or just redownload them, as they will know you legitimately paid for the software in the past.
the blocks of how could I do this, or what about this, while currently and installation of an OS doesn't require a backup, this could be done easliy and nicely done... and this is just something I thought up in 30 seconds, I'm sure appl people are paid much more to come up with similar ideas.
Yes and you can make your videos private on Youtube so that only those you want can access it.
Something to keep in mind is that if the service's security is compromised, that privacy can go along with it. For example, a program managed to breach MySpace's security and I think it managed to make copies of "private" photos of about 17,000 users before anyone realized it happened. As I recall, the collection of photos was posted as a Bittorrent shortly afterwards.
Looking at my own example, the only application I've installed from a disc in 2008 was Leopard. The past couple of years the only other app I installed from a disc was MS Office.
Other than those two all the other apps I've installed over the past couple of years have primarily been internet downloads.
It's more than software distribution that is taking so long to get rid of physical medial..
Other than those two all the other apps I've installed over the past couple of years have primarily been internet downloads.
Same here. Unless the product takes up a lot of space (ala ilife with the sound libraries) I usually do the download and archive the DMG if I'm worried about re-installation.
I need one optical burner for my Macs. It should rip music and movies fast and burn fast. That's it.
I'd rather have more RAM, or a better GPU in my computers. Now this is coming from a guy that 4 years ago swore he'd never buy software that wasn't on a CD. Now I look at the disc laying around and I don't even want to know what's on them.
A 2TB WD Green HDD is in my future for storing all this crap that I don't want to delete. I've got little desire to backup to DVD-R. Too slow and cumbersom.
as for what you will do with your current piles of physical media lying around, you'll do what you did when VHS was deemed unnecessary, keep a legacy means of viewing it, until eventually you realize it's unnecessary and take it all to goodwill.
as for, what do you do if your computer crashes, you will hopefully be backing up an os purchase to an external drive or a thumb drive you already have lying around, which will be made a step in the installation process... "now, tell us where to make the backup of this software in the event of hard drive failure"... other software packages this could be a choice, or just redownload them, as they will know you legitimately paid for the software in the past.
the blocks of how could I do this, or what about this, while currently and installation of an OS doesn't require a backup, this could be done easliy and nicely done... and this is just something I thought up in 30 seconds, I'm sure appl people are paid much more to come up with similar ideas.
Good thing I never had VHS collection. I do have a big CD and DVD collection (movies and software). I guess I could buy a hard drive and copy everything over if I really wanted to spend money just to change the way I store things.
As for using external drive or thumb drive, sounds like you are advocating physical media, just besides optical media.
It sounds like physical media and optical media isn't going anywhere soon, at least for me it's not. Good thing Apple has the Macbook and the Macbook air for those that don't want the optical drive.