I think all BluRay is a product of Sony. They might not make the player, but they own the rights to the technology, so their getting paid one way or another.
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I think you need to do some more researching and reading before you make that statement.
For all intents and purposes, I think saying that BR is a Sony tech is accurate. Calling it a product of the BRD Association and/or listing every company that has a piece of it is just too convoluted. Sony initiated it and the biggest benefactor of BR. The same goes for other physical media types and even FireWire, which "was initiated by Apple and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics)", according to Wikipedia.
For all intents and purposes, I think saying that BR is a Sony tech is accurate. Calling it a product of the BRD Association and/or listing every company that has a piece of it is just too convoluted. Sony initiated it and the biggest benefactor of BR. The same goes for other physical media types and even FireWire, which "was initiated by Apple and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics)", according to Wikipedia.
So if this is the case, and Sony is the major beneficiary, then how much, per Mac computer, do you think Apple would have to pay Sony if Apple included Blu-ray?
So if this is the case, and Sony is the major beneficiary, then how much, per Mac computer, do you think Apple would have to pay Sony if Apple included Blu-ray?
The cost of item includes the licensing fees, which is then distributed back to the parties. I have no idea what percentage Sony gets, but Apple would not be paying Sony directly unless they bought Sony drives.
However, with Apple's use of slim 9.5mm, slot-loading drives and push to physically free digital media the idea that Apple will offer BRD in any of their products is unlikely. BR would need to get a much firmer hold for that happen and we'd most likely see it in, regarding HW, in the Mac Pro first which can take the considerably cheaper and faster fullsize, tray-loading drives. We'd also have to see some evidence of Apple supporting it in software.
edit: I found some links that state a $30 per drive fee. The percentage that Sony receives is still unknown.
Anywho, it's been three weeks since the original story re Apple warning of constrained iMac supplies.
Anyone know what the general lead time is before new models are released, once Apple starts talking like that? Anybody have an experience of finding an iMac out of stock? Does anyone even buy iMacs, at this point?
I wouldn't think Apple would want to go more than a month or so without being able to replenish the channel inventory, but who knows? Maybe iMac sales are slow enough to keep the shelves stocked for months on end while they dick around with whatever it is they're doing.
Anywho, it's been three weeks since the original story re Apple warning of constrained iMac supplies.
Anyone know what the general lead time is before new models are released, once Apple starts talking like that? Anybody have an experience of finding an iMac out of stock? Does anyone even buy iMacs, at this point?
I wouldn't think Apple would want to go more than a month or so without being able to replenish the channel inventory, but who knows? Maybe iMac sales are slow enough to keep the shelves stocked for months on end while they dick around with whatever it is they're doing.
Well with the 20" display being discontinued last week, this seems to point to a mini refresh this Tuesday (the 24th) and I would assume that they would want to update the iMac at the same time. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this Tuesday. I need a new system, be it a mini, iMac, or something else entirely.
Anywho, it's been three weeks since the original story re Apple warning of constrained iMac supplies.
Anyone know what the general lead time is before new models are released, once Apple starts talking like that? Anybody have an experience of finding an iMac out of stock? Does anyone even buy iMacs, at this point?
I wouldn't think Apple would want to go more than a month or so without being able to replenish the channel inventory, but who knows?
But there was a difference. Apple made a public statement in 2004. As opposed to this time, where the warning's only gone out to the channel - not the general public.
Well with the 20" display being discontinued last week, this seems to point to a mini refresh this Tuesday (the 24th) and I would assume that they would want to update the iMac at the same time. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this Tuesday. I need a new system, be it a mini, iMac, or something else entirely.
Agreed! If you asked me yesterday, I would have said no. That's because the 17" MacBook Pro "anti glare" models hadn't shipped yet. Apple started shipping them out of the factory this morning. This is good news for new hardware. Apple doesn't announce any new hardware until previously announced hardware is shipping (Of course there are a few exceptions to this rule).
For all intents and purposes, I think saying that BR is a Sony tech is accurate. Calling it a product of the BRD Association and/or listing every company that has a piece of it is just too convoluted. Sony initiated it and the biggest benefactor of BR. The same goes for other physical media types and even FireWire, which "was initiated by Apple and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics)", according to Wikipedia.
Panasonic is the major benefactor of Blu-ray, not Sony
Speaking of a piece of work... Your first link is to the main page of a website. It states nothing about your attempts that Sony not being a major benefactor in BR. Your second link is to a forum post that clearly states in a large font that Sony owns the physical media of BR. You are apparently focusing on the part where a forum poster states that Panasonic holds more patents but you have failed to post proof that Sony does not have a major stake in BR or realize that holding a patent does not mean you hold ownership, rights or have a way to make money from an established item.
If you still still think Sony has little to nothing to do with BR you are living in your dream world yet again.
Speaking of a piece of work... Your first link is to the main page of a website. It states nothing about your attempts that Sony not being a major benefactor in BR. Your second link is to a forum post that clearly states in a large font that Sony owns the physical media of BR. You are apparently focusing on the part where a forum poster states that Panasonic holds more patents but you have failed to post proof that Sony does not have a major stake in BR or realize that holding a patent does not mean you hold ownership, rights or have a way to make money from an established item.
If you still still think Sony has little to nothing to do with BR you are living in your dream world yet again.
No, my second link was a posting from a Sony employee saying that Pioneer owns more of the physical layer that Sony. Try reading for once.
I haven't said that Sony has a large interest in Blu-Ray, I am saying you are being very simple for saying that the Blu-Ray is Sony only, or the majority is only Sony. There are a lot of companies that have an interest in Blu-Ray, I can't tell you who they are, I don't know if the patent pool has been completed yet.
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I think all BluRay is a product of Sony. They might not make the player, but they own the rights to the technology, so their getting paid one way or another.
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I think you need to do some more researching and reading before you make that statement.
Who owns the Blu-ray technology
I think you need to do some more researching and reading before you make that statement.
Who owns the Blu-ray technology
For all intents and purposes, I think saying that BR is a Sony tech is accurate. Calling it a product of the BRD Association and/or listing every company that has a piece of it is just too convoluted. Sony initiated it and the biggest benefactor of BR. The same goes for other physical media types and even FireWire, which "was initiated by Apple and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics)", according to Wikipedia.
For all intents and purposes, I think saying that BR is a Sony tech is accurate. Calling it a product of the BRD Association and/or listing every company that has a piece of it is just too convoluted. Sony initiated it and the biggest benefactor of BR. The same goes for other physical media types and even FireWire, which "was initiated by Apple and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics)", according to Wikipedia.
So if this is the case, and Sony is the major beneficiary, then how much, per Mac computer, do you think Apple would have to pay Sony if Apple included Blu-ray?
So if this is the case, and Sony is the major beneficiary, then how much, per Mac computer, do you think Apple would have to pay Sony if Apple included Blu-ray?
The cost of item includes the licensing fees, which is then distributed back to the parties. I have no idea what percentage Sony gets, but Apple would not be paying Sony directly unless they bought Sony drives.
However, with Apple's use of slim 9.5mm, slot-loading drives and push to physically free digital media the idea that Apple will offer BRD in any of their products is unlikely. BR would need to get a much firmer hold for that happen and we'd most likely see it in, regarding HW, in the Mac Pro first which can take the considerably cheaper and faster fullsize, tray-loading drives. We'd also have to see some evidence of Apple supporting it in software.
edit: I found some links that state a $30 per drive fee. The percentage that Sony receives is still unknown.
Anyone know what the general lead time is before new models are released, once Apple starts talking like that? Anybody have an experience of finding an iMac out of stock? Does anyone even buy iMacs, at this point?
I wouldn't think Apple would want to go more than a month or so without being able to replenish the channel inventory, but who knows? Maybe iMac sales are slow enough to keep the shelves stocked for months on end while they dick around with whatever it is they're doing.
Anywho, it's been three weeks since the original story re Apple warning of constrained iMac supplies.
Anyone know what the general lead time is before new models are released, once Apple starts talking like that? Anybody have an experience of finding an iMac out of stock? Does anyone even buy iMacs, at this point?
I wouldn't think Apple would want to go more than a month or so without being able to replenish the channel inventory, but who knows? Maybe iMac sales are slow enough to keep the shelves stocked for months on end while they dick around with whatever it is they're doing.
Well with the 20" display being discontinued last week, this seems to point to a mini refresh this Tuesday (the 24th) and I would assume that they would want to update the iMac at the same time. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this Tuesday. I need a new system, be it a mini, iMac, or something else entirely.
Anywho, it's been three weeks since the original story re Apple warning of constrained iMac supplies.
Anyone know what the general lead time is before new models are released, once Apple starts talking like that? Anybody have an experience of finding an iMac out of stock? Does anyone even buy iMacs, at this point?
I wouldn't think Apple would want to go more than a month or so without being able to replenish the channel inventory, but who knows?
As I mentioned a bit earlier, the last time Apple sent out an advisory like this was the great iMac drought of Summer 2004.
It lasted about three months.
But there was a difference. Apple made a public statement in 2004. As opposed to this time, where the warning's only gone out to the channel - not the general public.
Well with the 20" display being discontinued last week, this seems to point to a mini refresh this Tuesday (the 24th) and I would assume that they would want to update the iMac at the same time. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this Tuesday. I need a new system, be it a mini, iMac, or something else entirely.
Agreed! If you asked me yesterday, I would have said no. That's because the 17" MacBook Pro "anti glare" models hadn't shipped yet. Apple started shipping them out of the factory this morning. This is good news for new hardware. Apple doesn't announce any new hardware until previously announced hardware is shipping (Of course there are a few exceptions to this rule).
For all intents and purposes, I think saying that BR is a Sony tech is accurate. Calling it a product of the BRD Association and/or listing every company that has a piece of it is just too convoluted. Sony initiated it and the biggest benefactor of BR. The same goes for other physical media types and even FireWire, which "was initiated by Apple and developed by the IEEE P1394 Working Group, largely driven by contributions from Apple, although major contributions were also made by engineers from Texas Instruments, Sony, Digital Equipment Corporation, IBM, and INMOS/SGS Thomson (now STMicroelectronics)", according to Wikipedia.
Panasonic is the major benefactor of Blu-ray, not Sony
Panasonic is the major benefactor of Blu-ray, not Sony
Why don't you prove it instead of posting false statements that are backed up by nothing.
Why don't you prove it instead of posting false statements that are backed up by nothing.
You are some piece of work, it is ok for you to post false information without backing things up, but no one else is able to?
Why don't you do search yourself and find out for yourself that you are wrong.
Go to places like http://www.blu-ray.com and look, there are plenty of people (knowledge people) that have listed that info there (here is one http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...postcount=4101. You can find the rest yourself.
You are some piece of work, it is ok for you to post false information without backing things up, but no one else is able to?
Why don't you do search yourself and find out for yourself that you are wrong.
Go to places like http://www.blu-ray.com and look, there are plenty of people (knowledge people) that have listed that info there (here is one http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...postcount=4101. You can find the rest yourself.
Speaking of a piece of work... Your first link is to the main page of a website. It states nothing about your attempts that Sony not being a major benefactor in BR. Your second link is to a forum post that clearly states in a large font that Sony owns the physical media of BR. You are apparently focusing on the part where a forum poster states that Panasonic holds more patents but you have failed to post proof that Sony does not have a major stake in BR or realize that holding a patent does not mean you hold ownership, rights or have a way to make money from an established item.
If you still still think Sony has little to nothing to do with BR you are living in your dream world yet again.
Speaking of a piece of work... Your first link is to the main page of a website. It states nothing about your attempts that Sony not being a major benefactor in BR. Your second link is to a forum post that clearly states in a large font that Sony owns the physical media of BR. You are apparently focusing on the part where a forum poster states that Panasonic holds more patents but you have failed to post proof that Sony does not have a major stake in BR or realize that holding a patent does not mean you hold ownership, rights or have a way to make money from an established item.
If you still still think Sony has little to nothing to do with BR you are living in your dream world yet again.
No, my second link was a posting from a Sony employee saying that Pioneer owns more of the physical layer that Sony. Try reading for once.
I haven't said that Sony has a large interest in Blu-Ray, I am saying you are being very simple for saying that the Blu-Ray is Sony only, or the majority is only Sony. There are a lot of companies that have an interest in Blu-Ray, I can't tell you who they are, I don't know if the patent pool has been completed yet.