Jaguar is crasherific!

in macOS edited January 2014
Am I the only person who is being afflicted by frequent application stalls, hangs, finder quits?

Granted, my system probably isnt in the best of health, but could it be truly this bad? Perhaps a clean install is in order, can I clean install my "system" folder without wiping out my hard drive?


  • Reply 1 of 33
    kedakeda Posts: 722member
    I have had alot of 'weird' things happen in Jag. Although scrolling, etc is better, the system has lost a good bit of responsiveness (eg click a button...wait...wait...). This is on several different Macs with either a clean or archive install. Some of them are a bit crash-happy as well.
  • Reply 2 of 33
    der kopfder kopf Posts: 2,275member
    I must have been forced to reboot (the hard way, ctrl-cmd-power) over 5 times in the past few days.

    It seems Jaguar is still very much lacking in networking (a lot of hangups happen there) and dial-up, but out-of-the-blue hangups have occurred as well, where I couldn't really pinpoint some reason.
  • Reply 3 of 33
    Hmmm... I experienced one kernal panic in OSX 10.1, but have had no application or OS crashes since installing Jaguar. Must be luck I guess...
  • Reply 4 of 33
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    [quote]Originally posted by MajorMatt:

    <strong>...can I clean install my "system" folder without wiping out my hard drive?</strong><hr></blockquote>

    yes, boot from the 10.2 cd, and as install choose "Archive" (or something like that, it's the 2nd option).

    this will keep your user, but install a new system folder.

  • Reply 5 of 33
    kalikali Posts: 634member
    Yes, me too, I'm experiencing strange behaviors in Jaguar.

    -Scrolling some finder's windows using the arrows is sometimes jerky.

    -Sometimes (not too often), the Finder doesn't show dark the selected icons on the desktop. I mean, I may select an item on the desktop and doesn't get it dark, like if it wasn't selected. Annoying.

    -Sometimes, the Finder suddenly quit and restart for no apparent reasons.

    -Sometimes, doing a search in the Finder doesn't work, or make the Finder to quit and restart.

    -The key commands for the menus and windows cycling (ctr-m and ctrl-w), as selected in the keyboard preferences, doesn't work all the times. I have to restart the user session to make them back to normal.

    -Once (and only once), all the OS hard crashed (freeze). Force-quit wasn't working at all. This occured while I opened a wrong document (a QT music file) with TextEdit ! TE opened the file, showing a lot of garbages, and after I closed the document, everything frosted. I had to manually restart the machine. I didn't tried to reproduce the bug.

    These problems are showing on a clean install OS X 10.2.1, on a new DDR 867 MHz with a full GB of ram.

    Because of these, I'm a bit disapointed about OS X. It is not as strong as Apple is saying.
  • Reply 6 of 33
    cyloncylon Posts: 126member
    Been using Jaguar on my new 17' iMac for almost 3 weeks. Haven't had any hard crashes of the system. Had a program freeze up a few times, but I was able to force quit fine. Then relaunch the application. No restart required. I couldn't do that too often in OS9. My only complaint is the cursor will sometimes jump to one of the corners when I'm moving he mouse.
  • Reply 7 of 33
    overhopeoverhope Posts: 1,123member
    I installed Jag on launch day and I haven't seen a crash or kernel panic yet...
  • Reply 8 of 33
    on august 23rd I clean installed jag on my QS867, and update installed on our imac dv 450 and have not had any problems with either computer.

    It has been the smoothest transition ever, a real pleasure.
  • Reply 9 of 33
    kalikali Posts: 634member
    Cylon, your jumping cursor is probably related to the texture under your optical mouse, and not to the OS. It's only an optical thing on your desk. Change the mouse pad.
  • Reply 10 of 33
    I haven't really crashed system wise at all, but damn is iChat buggy! I can't believe they released it the way it is.
  • Reply 11 of 33
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    No kernel panics or OS crashes ever...have had OS X installed for a year now.
  • Reply 12 of 33
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    I haven't had any stability problems with Jaguar. Inititally I had some slow startup issues going but I cleared those up by shutting of ethernet (because I don't use it) and adjusting my Jaguar drive to be the Master (it was the Slave before and I didn't even realize it). Boot times have significantly improved....

    I've had a few apps crash on me but not Jaguar.
  • Reply 13 of 33
    cindercinder Posts: 381member

    I think if people would mention what machine they were running, specs, ram, hd, strange software (esp haxies) that they are running - it might help us get a better idea of why people are having problems.

    Cause if you're runnin OSX on a upgraded G3 installed over the top of an old copy of OS9 with a whole ton of weird haxxies running - yeah. No kidding youre crashing.
  • Reply 14 of 33
    trevormtrevorm Posts: 841member
    LUCKY ME!!!! (SO Far!)

    I read all these posts and think how lucky I really must be! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> I am yet to ever experiance a single Kernal Panic in either 10.1 or 10.2, I have only ever restarted twice in 10.2 and the only serious problem I have occurs only on one of my computers where Photoshop unexpectactly quits.. (Always before I save anice big project too)

    The only other problems I have is where the screen doesnt refresh lines of texs so you get like three lines of text in word all on top of each other!
  • Reply 15 of 33
    I have experienced two problems in OS X since I started using it and they both involve Microsoft products.....Word and Explorer. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
  • Reply 16 of 33
    In talking with others and well as in my own experience, I have an opinion on Jag (or other OSX) performance.

    Unfortunately, a lot of us are running Beta versions of various programs (often that's the only thing that's avail for OSX) and even some of the non-beta apps should probably still be considered Beta. This, combined with the fact that many 3rd party programmers are still learning Cocoa APIs, results in some marginal code.

    I believe that this may cause a lot of the program hangs, unexpected quits, etc.

    Fortunately, time should fix most of these problems (at least with reputable programmers, who will FIX their apps, rather than just PATCH them.) Problem is, I am an extremely impatient man (just ask my children).

    On a side note... while I can cut the non-apple apps some slack, I sure would have expected better performance from Apple itself (my problems have been with networking - though Jag seems to have fixed those).

    So if your having lots of problems, consider removing all your Beta's, or other questionable apps (certainly the haxies). Follow this with a clean install. See if that improves things.

    You can then re-install stuff you want, maybe try to figure out which one's giving you probs.

    -just my 2 cents
  • Reply 17 of 33
    addisonaddison Posts: 1,185member
    Well I get a lot of strange stalls, where the system seems to stop working, then if you do nothing 10-20 seconds later the spinning wheel goes away and everything is back to normall.

    Today I have had both IE and Word crash and I had to re-boot to cure the problem. All seems fine at the moment.
  • Reply 18 of 33
    overhopeoverhope Posts: 1,123member
    [quote]Originally posted by Addison:

    <strong>Today I have had both IE and Word crash and I had to re-boot to cure the problem.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Would it be cynical to suggest there's a common thread to those two crashes? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
  • Reply 19 of 33
    I've had a few more problems with Jaguar than I did with 10.1 (on my Quicksilver at work), but at least the kernel panic is a lot prettier!

    Still never had an unrecoverable error on my trusty G4 Mac ever made.
  • Reply 20 of 33
    The only problem I'v every had was with Jaguar and Norton. You probly know what I mean.
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