I agree one of the biggest problems with the iPhone is the battery. I love how they didn't put 3G into the original one because it used too much power... Yet somehow that same logic didn't apply to the massive battery draining screen!
It is not the display who eats iphone's battery most aggressively. We all used to blame screens. Apple introduced that brightness flip-flop in 2.2.1. Missed! It's 3g chip and the processor itself! Folks around tell me wifi is even worse, than 3g, but I don't use it, I can not say...
It is not the display who eats iphone's battery most aggressively. We all used to blame screens. Apple introduced that brightness flip-flop in 2.2.1. Missed! It's 3g chip and the processor itself! Folks around tell me wifi is even worse, than 3g, but I don't use it, I can not say...
This is true, I thought the screen would drain a lot but it really doesn't. I can have my screen up full brightness for 6 hours or something. Start using 3G or wifi though and the battery drains very rapidly. Even 3D gaming doesn't drain the battery as quickly.
Nokia N96: Close to four hours' talk time, stand-by is 220 hours, video playback is five hours, music playback 14 hours.
iPhone 3G: Up to five hours of talk time using 3G, or 10 hours using 2G, standby is 300 hours, five hours of 3G internet use and six hours of Wi-Fi internet use, seven hours of video playback and up to 24 hours of audio playback.
Wi-Fi is a short range network technology, while 3G is a long range network technology. Wi-Fi is faster and much more energy efficient than 3G or EDGE.
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01
It is not the display who eats iphone's battery most aggressively. We all used to blame screens. Apple introduced that brightness flip-flop in 2.2.1. Missed! It's 3g chip and the processor itself! Folks around tell me wifi is even worse, than 3g, but I don't use it, I can not say...
Things I would like to see in possible iPhone 2009 (I say possible, because I imagine it is all speculation, isn't it??
Apart from all the technical stuff, which most of it I don't understand....., these are the things that might make me buy the next-gen iPhone:
1- better battery life (I know, I know.... already one of the best in the market.... but still pretty poor.....)
2- Better camera and video recording even better....
3- VOICE CALLING/DIALING!!!!! (so you can use easily hands-free car kits, etc.... (just got installed a new Parrot CK3000, but can only use it hands free for receiving calls, not for calling, as can't pass contacts, etc... into Parrot..... Tried sending vCards through iMac, etc... Still nothing....Really bugging me!!!!!). Really unbelievable Apple is not adding this feature.... (probably only software update, I think....)
4-better 3G
5-proper GPS
6- and all the things that you say above!! haha
Please Apple!! Put Voice calling/dialing soon!!!!! (as software update or on new iphone..... PLEASE!!!!)
The battery life isn't because of the battery, its because of 3G.
If they made the battery bigger, battery life would be longer! Certainly the iPhone 3G has had the worst battery life for web browsing out of all the 3G phones I've had. So it's not just the 3G part causing the problem since other 3G phones can last much longer!
This is true, I thought the screen would drain a lot but it really doesn't. I can have my screen up full brightness for 6 hours or something. Start using 3G or wifi though and the battery drains very rapidly. Even 3D gaming doesn't drain the battery as quickly.Someone needs to make better network technology.
Thanks for supporting my point. I'd just be quite curious to listen to radio h/w guys to understand, why is 3g so gourmand...
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Originally Posted by TenoBell
Nokia makes a lot of phones, which phone are you talking about? Here is a comparison between the iPhone 3G and N96.
E61 did much (2x) better in my experience. I know, E61 is not exactly the challenger to iphone, N96 is. But from the customer point of view I keep doing all the same things on both phones. Why then should I care to recharge iphone on Tuesday, if nokia got used to chirp by only Thursday??
The friend of mine is now rushing to have N96, we'll see how's all that gonna happen in wildlife with it... I can't say it right out of here...
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Originally Posted by TenoBell
Wi-Fi is ... much more energy efficient than 3G or EDGE
Good to know. Thanks. Still, I'm not accustomed to, I'm in country and not using wifi at all...
There goes my forecast
Apple will in all probability fix the battery (or whatever actually cripples it) in coming years/releases. They're already trying (by wrong ineffective moves, though).
Then I guarantee you I will say: "IPhone? That's indisputably perfect, superior to everything else on the market. Why even bring it up? Simply Apple."
I wrote a post on my blog about this a few weeks ago here is a list of features apple could add right now with firmware
* MMS picture messaging ? I can see apples view on this on why not just e-mail them
* Cut and Paste
* Better recognition of caps mode - For example, when typing two or three consecutive upper case letters, enable caps until end-of-word character is pressed.
* Better Bluetooth support -file transfer, keyboards, mice, stereo headsets.
* Transmit your contact card - To another iPhone user, just to annoy Palm
* Tether support - To let you access the Internet over EDGE / 3G on your laptop
* A mode that forces ALL calls into voicemail. That lets you leave the phone on.
* Store file ? That lets you store pdf and doc etc?
* Ability to save other attachments - To a ?Documents? folder, or a folder of your choice.
* Voice recording. As a standard feature, it would also be nice to be able to record calls
* Option to make the entire surface the button for taking pictures.
* Ability to create, manage a MobileMe gallery from iPhone itself, including syncing of new pictures up/down to iPhone.
* Background application support for twitter and such like
* RSS Reader with background support
These cover the features that in my opinion require immediate attention and could be resolved with a software update and I am sure would result in increased iPhone sales.
It all makes sense with Apple linking up with Nvidia for everything else, Tegra is ideal to take the iphone to the next level.
It can do HD recording as well as playback so think of the camera suddenly getting a lot better. Kind of like adding a Flip Mino to the iphone.
Outputting Quake 3 at 720p shows the gaming ability and this goes back to the iphone putting in experimental games output on a TV as well as adding a premium app store section.
10 hours of high def video playback - another marketing win.
We know that Palm is going for Arm Cortex and PowerVR. Judging by the laughable performance of their map software recently demoed, Apple have nothing to worry about but Tegra would ensure that it's sufficiently advanced that the Pre launch will be like a kid peeing in the ocean. No one will even notice, except for the guy snorkelling nearby.
Higher/wide screen resolution, higher than 640x360 (which seems to be the limit of Symbian), preferably 800x480 (to match the best WinMo devices without WinMo's current 65k colour restriction).
This is something which would make it very competitive with the best.
It might make the phone a bit longer but that would let Apple put in a bigger battery.
It all makes sense with Apple linking up with Nvidia for everything else, Tegra is ideal to take the iphone to the next level.
It can do HD recording as well as playback so think of the camera suddenly getting a lot better. Kind of like adding a Flip Mino to the iphone.
Outputting Quake 3 at 720p shows the gaming ability and this goes back to the iphone putting in experimental games output on a TV as well as adding a premium app store section.
10 hours of high def video playback - another marketing win.
We know that Palm is going for Arm Cortex and PowerVR. Judging by the laughable performance of their map software recently demoed, Apple have nothing to worry about but Tegra would ensure that it's sufficiently advanced that the Pre launch will be like a kid peeing in the ocean. No one will even notice, except for the guy snorkelling nearby.
Ok so this will be about my 4th or 5th list I've made out of all the forums and blogs I post on but they are fun so why not another right?
(The Hopes and Dreams List
(1) More RAM. 256? 512? I don't really care as long as it's more and keeps Safari from crashing and aids in running apps faster and smoother.
(2) Faster Processor. A8? Tegra? Moorestown? More Power, More Speed.
(3) Longer-Lasting Battery. Even if it is the best, MORE is always better.
(4) More Storage. 32GB, 64GB?
(5) Larger Touch Screen. I won't argue on resolution support but I think there is plenty of room for expansion in the current form factor, maybe as much as an inch, well, length-wise anyways. Dare I say wider and longer? (Screen)
(6) Better Camera. Again, no arguments from me on MP's to Sensors, yadda yadda, but just better quality, maybe a zoom (internal 3x optical?). Flash? To solve most of those low-lighting situations.
(7) Video Recording. HD recording/playback. Flip Mino cometition. Upload direct to YouTube.
(8) Front-Facing Camera. Video Chat. Self Portraits/Videos.
(9) Better Build Material. Or at-least better shell backing. Aluminum/Plastic Combo. Matte Rubbery Metal. THICKER Plastic. Ceramics. Carbon Fiber. T!tanium. Something that isnt going to crack as easily as some have had countless problems with.
(10) Keep it under 300 bucks.
(More REALISTIC List
(1) See 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9 and 10 above.
I've been waiting since V.1 to get an iPhone. I'll be getting one after WWDC '09.
List are fun and all but I'm keeping expectations low for this rumored NEW phone due out this summer. I would advise not setting up for dissapointment.
(3) Longer-Lasting Battery. Even if it is the best, MORE is always better.
The best?! The iPhone 3G battery life totally stinks in comparison to other phones! It should be brought into line with other devices before they try to make it better!
The best?! The iPhone 3G battery life totally stinks in comparison to other phones! It should be brought into line with other devices before they try to make it better!
I have tried them with plenty of S60 and WM devices if that is what you are referring to and they are all rubbish in this respect compared to iphone.
Any one phone cannot have the best of everything, compromises have to be made one way or another. You give up some battery life for a faster processor, faster data connection, larger brighter screen. Without the phone becoming a heavy brick.
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01
Nokia's E61/71 - 1500 mAh -- CPU 220 MHz ARM processor (E61i)
iPhone 3G - 1150 mAh(1400mAh?) -- CPU 620 MHz ARM 1176, underclocked to 412 MHz
Nokia N96 - 950 mAh -- CPU 264 MHz Dual ARM 9, with video accelerator
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It is not the display who eats iphone's battery most aggressively. We all used to blame screens. Apple introduced that brightness flip-flop in 2.2.1. Missed! It's 3g chip and the processor itself! Folks around tell me wifi is even worse, than 3g, but I don't use it, I can not say...
This is true, I thought the screen would drain a lot but it really doesn't. I can have my screen up full brightness for 6 hours or something. Start using 3G or wifi though and the battery drains very rapidly. Even 3D gaming doesn't drain the battery as quickly.
Someone needs to make better network technology.
Here is a comparison between the iPhone 3G and N96.
Battery Life
Nokia N96: Close to four hours' talk time, stand-by is 220 hours, video playback is five hours, music playback 14 hours.
iPhone 3G: Up to five hours of talk time using 3G, or 10 hours using 2G, standby is 300 hours, five hours of 3G internet use and six hours of Wi-Fi internet use, seven hours of video playback and up to 24 hours of audio playback.
Another list of battery life comparison.
Various ascetic nokias do
It is not the display who eats iphone's battery most aggressively. We all used to blame screens. Apple introduced that brightness flip-flop in 2.2.1. Missed! It's 3g chip and the processor itself! Folks around tell me wifi is even worse, than 3g, but I don't use it, I can not say...
Apart from all the technical stuff, which most of it I don't understand.....
1- better battery life (I know, I know.... already one of the best in the market.... but still pretty poor.....)
2- Better camera and video recording even better....
3- VOICE CALLING/DIALING!!!!! (so you can use easily hands-free car kits, etc.... (just got installed a new Parrot CK3000, but can only use it hands free for receiving calls, not for calling, as can't pass contacts, etc... into Parrot..... Tried sending vCards through iMac, etc... Still nothing....Really bugging me!!!!!). Really unbelievable Apple is not adding this feature.... (probably only software update, I think....)
4-better 3G
5-proper GPS
6- and all the things that you say above!! haha
Please Apple!! Put Voice calling/dialing soon!!!!! (as software update or on new iphone..... PLEASE!!!!)
1- better battery life (I know, I know.... already one of the best in the market.... but still pretty poor.....)
The battery life isn't because of the battery, its because of 3G.
4-better 3G
What do you mean by better 3G?
5-proper GPS
Their isn't really such a thing as proper GPS. When GPS was originally designed it wasn't really intended to do what we have it doing.
An article that explains how GPS works, Inside assisted GPS: helping GPS help you
The battery life isn't because of the battery, its because of 3G.
If they made the battery bigger, battery life would be longer! Certainly the iPhone 3G has had the worst battery life for web browsing out of all the 3G phones I've had. So it's not just the 3G part causing the problem since other 3G phones can last much longer!
This is true, I thought the screen would drain a lot but it really doesn't. I can have my screen up full brightness for 6 hours or something. Start using 3G or wifi though and the battery drains very rapidly. Even 3D gaming doesn't drain the battery as quickly.Someone needs to make better network technology.
Thanks for supporting my point. I'd just be quite curious to listen to radio h/w guys to understand, why is 3g so gourmand...
Nokia makes a lot of phones, which phone are you talking about? Here is a comparison between the iPhone 3G and N96.
E61 did much (2x) better in my experience. I know, E61 is not exactly the challenger to iphone, N96 is. But from the customer point of view I keep doing all the same things on both phones. Why then should I care to recharge iphone on Tuesday, if nokia got used to chirp by only Thursday??
The friend of mine is now rushing to have N96, we'll see how's all that gonna happen in wildlife with it... I can't say it right out of here...
Wi-Fi is ... much more energy efficient than 3G or EDGE
Good to know. Thanks. Still, I'm not accustomed to, I'm in country and not using wifi at all...
There goes my forecast
Apple will in all probability fix the battery (or whatever actually cripples it) in coming years/releases. They're already trying (by wrong ineffective moves, though).
Then I guarantee you I will say: "IPhone? That's indisputably perfect, superior to everything else on the market. Why even bring it up? Simply Apple."
* MMS picture messaging ? I can see apples view on this on why not just e-mail them
* Cut and Paste
* Better recognition of caps mode - For example, when typing two or three consecutive upper case letters, enable caps until end-of-word character is pressed.
* Better Bluetooth support -file transfer, keyboards, mice, stereo headsets.
* Transmit your contact card - To another iPhone user, just to annoy Palm
* Tether support - To let you access the Internet over EDGE / 3G on your laptop
* A mode that forces ALL calls into voicemail. That lets you leave the phone on.
* Store file ? That lets you store pdf and doc etc?
* Ability to save other attachments - To a ?Documents? folder, or a folder of your choice.
* Voice recording. As a standard feature, it would also be nice to be able to record calls
* Option to make the entire surface the button for taking pictures.
* Ability to create, manage a MobileMe gallery from iPhone itself, including syncing of new pictures up/down to iPhone.
* Background application support for twitter and such like
* RSS Reader with background support
These cover the features that in my opinion require immediate attention and could be resolved with a software update and I am sure would result in increased iPhone sales.
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It all makes sense with Apple linking up with Nvidia for everything else, Tegra is ideal to take the iphone to the next level.
It can do HD recording as well as playback so think of the camera suddenly getting a lot better. Kind of like adding a Flip Mino to the iphone.
Outputting Quake 3 at 720p shows the gaming ability and this goes back to the iphone putting in experimental games output on a TV as well as adding a premium app store section.
10 hours of high def video playback - another marketing win.
We know that Palm is going for Arm Cortex and PowerVR. Judging by the laughable performance of their map software recently demoed, Apple have nothing to worry about but Tegra would ensure that it's sufficiently advanced that the Pre launch will be like a kid peeing in the ocean. No one will even notice, except for the guy snorkelling nearby.
This is something which would make it very competitive with the best.
It might make the phone a bit longer but that would let Apple put in a bigger battery.
Why isn't there more talk about Nvidia Tegra?
It all makes sense with Apple linking up with Nvidia for everything else, Tegra is ideal to take the iphone to the next level.
It can do HD recording as well as playback so think of the camera suddenly getting a lot better. Kind of like adding a Flip Mino to the iphone.
Outputting Quake 3 at 720p shows the gaming ability and this goes back to the iphone putting in experimental games output on a TV as well as adding a premium app store section.
10 hours of high def video playback - another marketing win.
We know that Palm is going for Arm Cortex and PowerVR. Judging by the laughable performance of their map software recently demoed, Apple have nothing to worry about but Tegra would ensure that it's sufficiently advanced that the Pre launch will be like a kid peeing in the ocean. No one will even notice, except for the guy snorkelling nearby.
That would be great.
(The Hopes and Dreams List
(1) More RAM. 256? 512? I don't really care as long as it's more and keeps Safari from crashing and aids in running apps faster and smoother.
(2) Faster Processor. A8? Tegra? Moorestown? More Power, More Speed.
(3) Longer-Lasting Battery. Even if it is the best, MORE is always better.
(4) More Storage. 32GB, 64GB?
(5) Larger Touch Screen. I won't argue on resolution support but I think there is plenty of room for expansion in the current form factor, maybe as much as an inch, well, length-wise anyways. Dare I say wider and longer? (Screen)
(6) Better Camera. Again, no arguments from me on MP's to Sensors, yadda yadda, but just better quality, maybe a zoom (internal 3x optical?). Flash? To solve most of those low-lighting situations.
(7) Video Recording. HD recording/playback. Flip Mino cometition. Upload direct to YouTube.
(8) Front-Facing Camera. Video Chat. Self Portraits/Videos.
(9) Better Build Material. Or at-least better shell backing. Aluminum/Plastic Combo. Matte Rubbery Metal. THICKER Plastic. Ceramics. Carbon Fiber. T!tanium. Something that isnt going to crack as easily as some have had countless problems with.
(10) Keep it under 300 bucks.
(More REALISTIC List
(1) See 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9 and 10 above.
I've been waiting since V.1 to get an iPhone. I'll be getting one after WWDC '09.
List are fun and all but I'm keeping expectations low for this rumored NEW phone due out this summer. I would advise not setting up for dissapointment.
(3) Longer-Lasting Battery. Even if it is the best, MORE is always better.
The best?! The iPhone 3G battery life totally stinks in comparison to other phones! It should be brought into line with other devices before they try to make it better!
The best?! The iPhone 3G battery life totally stinks in comparison to other phones! It should be brought into line with other devices before they try to make it better!
I have tried them with plenty of S60 and WM devices if that is what you are referring to and they are all rubbish in this respect compared to iphone.
Nokia's E61/71 - 1500 mAh -- CPU 220 MHz ARM processor (E61i)
iPhone 3G - 1150 mAh(1400mAh?) -- CPU 620 MHz ARM 1176, underclocked to 412 MHz
Nokia N96 - 950 mAh -- CPU 264 MHz Dual ARM 9, with video accelerator
I have tried them with plenty of S60 and WM devices if that is what you are referring to and they are all rubbish in this respect compared to iphone.
N95-8GB and E71 easily outlast the Iphone 3G
Nokia's E61/71 - 1500 mAh -- CPU 220 MHz ARM processor (E61i)
iPhone 3G - 1150 mAh(1400mAh?) -- CPU 620 MHz ARM 1176, underclocked to 412 MHz
Nokia N96 - 950 mAh -- CPU 264 MHz Dual ARM 9, with video accelerator