If Apple added Hulu support they would sell a lot more AppleTvs. While I don't mind paying for non-fictional (i.e History, Discovery Channel, etc ...) shows, I see no reason to pay for the latest episode of 24, Chuck etc...
This is why a Mac mini and not an Apple TV sits under my living room TV. BBC iPlayer (like Hulu but with support full screen and no adverts) is just too good to give up.
All Apple need to do is open in up to third party plug-ins. BBC iPlayer is already available for various mobile phones.
This is why a Mac mini and not an Apple TV sits under my living room TV. BBC iPlayer (like Hulu but with support full screen and no adverts) is just too good to give up.
All Apple need to do is open in up to third party plug-ins. BBC iPlayer is already available for various mobile phones.
And this points to exactly why it was my mistake to buy an Apple Tv and not a Mac Mini instead for my TV. And you also get Safari on your TV.
If Apple added Hulu support they would sell a lot more AppleTvs. While I don't mind paying for non-fictional (i.e History, Discovery Channel, etc ...) shows, I see no reason to pay for the latest episode of 24, Chuck etc...
Apple doesn't have that choice. In fact, I think Hulu jumped all over Boxee to remove their unauthorized support for Hulu. They want to limit viewing to computers only for some strange reason.
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Why would anyone rent anything with only a 24 hour viewing window?
Because for most people it only takes two hours to watch the movie. And actually, there's a mechanism to view the movie beyond that 24 hour period... just pause it. You can continue viewing it until it's over.
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Originally Posted by teckstud
And this points to exactly why it was my mistake to buy an Apple Tv and not a Mac Mini instead for my TV. And you also get Safari on your TV.
So we have to pay for your mistake then? While I love to read comments, the need to skip over all your negative posts does get old after a while. Can't you do us a favor? Get a hammer; take your AppleTV outside and smash it to bits. Live a happy life.
Why would anyone rent anything with only a 24 hour viewing window?
Why not?
The ATV is basically an instant gratification device (possible intermittent slow download issue excepted). My wife and I decide if we feel in the mood for a movie, check what's available and what we feel like watching, initiate the download and start watching within minutes. A couple of hours later we're done. No planning required - that's the whole point.
Now I fully understand the issue for people with small kids. My friends in that category tell me that they never get to watch a rental movie all the way through in one sitting. (My response: get your damn' kids under control. <g>)
Unfortunately the whole 30 day/24 hour window limitation is a movie studio condition, not Apple's idea. In the end I imagine the studios will have to loosen up a bit, just as the record companies now have.
Now I fully understand the issue for people with small kids. My friends in that category tell me that they never get to watch a rental movie all the way through in one sitting. (My response: get your damn' kids under control. <g>)
I really hope that was a joke because you obviously don't have kids.
I guess I don't have my child "under control" because he is having a hard time with 4 teeth coming in and a double ear infection and I'm such a horrible father for going into his room and trying to comfort him so he can get back to sleep instead of plopping my ass on the couch, ignoring him so that I can watch through my movie rental in one sitting.
Because for most people it only takes two hours to watch the movie. And actually, there's a mechanism to view the movie beyond that 24 hour period... just pause it. You can continue viewing it until it's over
That makes no sense- you can't go beyond 24 hours- period. And if it's on the last day of the 30 day rental- guess what- you're screwed.
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So we have to pay for your mistake then? While I love to read comments, the need to skip over all your negative posts does get old after a while. Can't you do us a favor? Get a hammer; take your AppleTV outside and smash it to bits. Live a happy life.
Actually I'd like to keep it as a collector's item- a failed piece of consumer electronics
-like the iPod HiFi or an 8track player. I have a happy life- do you?
- This is a way out there idea, but why are there SD and HD quality movies available for rental? You NEED to have an HDTV to hook up an Apple TV to in the first place, why not make all movies one price and if there is an HD version then there is no SD version available.
You do NOT need an HDTV to hook it up. It will work on a Standard TV (480i),
as long the TV has Composite video inputs. It works great on my SD TV, and I'm glad they offer programming in SD still.
We have no choice - that is what is has become- an iTune$ Jukebox.
We've been over this so many times. It was designed as an extension of iTunes on your Mac. The only real changes that have been made are to allow you to connect to other services, like the iTS server for rentals and purchases, YouTube, Flickr etc. The device is still the same as it ever was: iTunes for your TV.
as you fail at logic, 24 hrs minus 3 hrs equals 21 hrs left over.
I see Teckstud's point here. The window is a bit limited in that if you have to stop, for example, half way through and then try to start it up the next night at the same time you are screwed unless you paused it and didn't do anything else with the device. I think even a 30 hour window be better as it would give you two evenings or two afternoons or whatever time of day you usually play a movie.
However, one must wonder what percentage of people that would be iTS movie rental customers are not going to rent because it's 24 hours (and not 30 or more hours)? I don't think it's enough to make the studios want to change their model anytime soon. I predict that once digital rentals really take off, then we should see some competition with rentals lasting longer as a marketing ploy to generate more business. Others will have to follow suit in kind.
That makes no sense- you can't go beyond 24 hours- period. And if it's on the last day of the 30 day rental- guess what- you're screwed.
Actually I'd like to keep it as a collector's item- a failed piece of consumer electronics
-like the iPod HiFi or an 8track player. I have a happy life- do you?
I think I've mentioned this before, but you are the kind of person who, if given a wheel barrow full of gold bars, would complain about the weight.
might I ask WHERE are all your MORE successful products? it seems your opinion is such that ANYTHING you could devise, program, manufacture and bring to market with perfect advertising, would blow Apple TV figures out of the water.
SO WHY DON'T YOU?
given that perspective, it becomes apparent that you really do know all about failure.
I see Teckstud's point here. The window is a bit limited in that if you have to stop, for example, half way through and then try to start it up the next night at the same time you are screwed unless you paused it and didn't do anything else with the device. I think even a 30 hour window be better as it would give you two evenings or two afternoons or whatever time of day you usually play a movie. ...
The problem with teckstud is he only ever even has a *tiny* portion of a point, and usually only after about three or four back and forths with other, more intelligent posters feeding him his lines. He's like a fake Oblio without the charm. (extra points if anyone gets the reference).
We can all be jerks from time to time and I'm certain that I say some negative and even nasty things, but he makes a veritable career out of it. It's the same script over and over again.
He makes some a-hole off the cuff remark, constantly finding the dark lining to an otherwise shiny cloud. Three people call him on it and then he really starts to salivate, punching back on all fronts using the information graciously provided to him by people assuming he actually knows anything or is interested in a real debate. I can't think of a single contribution in terms of information or insight he has ever had.
He's an argument junkie like some of the rest of us, but as we all know an argument is not just the automatic gain-saying of everything the other guy says. He's also rude almost every time whereas I pride myself on only being rude some of the time and mostly only to idiots.
In my experience, there is a small grace period once you choose to start watching. I've found that if the movie is paused, lets say at 11 p.m. after playing for an hour. The next day, I can go back at 11 p.m. and resume playing and/or restart the paused movie from the beginning. This gives you more than a strict 24 hours cut-off period for enjoying the movie, if you're been lucky enough to find an enjoyable movie. Haven't experimented with how long you could string this out. It makes interrupting a movie and resuming the next totally doable. A 48 hours rent window would be way better.
Stumbled upon 'Man on Wire' back in mid-January ... incredible documentary. Recommended!
The problem with teckstud is he only ever even has a *tiny* portion of a point, and usually only after about three or four back and forths with other, more intelligent posters feeding him his lines. He's like a fake Oblio without the charm. (extra points if anyone gets the reference).
We can all be jerks from time to time and I'm certain that I say some negative and even nasty things, but he makes a veritable career out of it. It's the same script over and over again.
He makes some a-hole off the cuff remark, constantly finding the dark lining to an otherwise shiny cloud. Three people call him on it and then he really starts to salivate, punching back on all fronts using the information graciously provided to him by people assuming he actually knows anything or is interested in a real debate. I can't think of a single contribution in terms of information or insight he has ever had.
He's an argument junkie like some of the rest of us, but as we all know an argument is not just the automatic gain-saying of everything the other guy says. He's also rude almost every time whereas I pride myself on only being rude some of the time and mostly only to idiots.
Since when did you become Sigmund Freud? Please, please relieve me from your ANAL-ysis?
Why don't you just put it on Standby like you would a DVD player or just about every other electronic device known to mankind?
Actually I meant standby since you can't actually turn it off. My standby has not been working consistently since the last update. I'm wondering -Can ATV be put it in standby from an iPhone/Touch?
You actually leave your DVD player and every other electronic device know to man in standby 24/7?? Man, how much is your electric bill monthly??
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If Apple added Hulu support they would sell a lot more AppleTvs. While I don't mind paying for non-fictional (i.e History, Discovery Channel, etc ...) shows, I see no reason to pay for the latest episode of 24, Chuck etc...
This is why a Mac mini and not an Apple TV sits under my living room TV. BBC iPlayer (like Hulu but with support full screen and no adverts) is just too good to give up.
All Apple need to do is open in up to third party plug-ins. BBC iPlayer is already available for various mobile phones.
This is why a Mac mini and not an Apple TV sits under my living room TV. BBC iPlayer (like Hulu but with support full screen and no adverts) is just too good to give up.
All Apple need to do is open in up to third party plug-ins. BBC iPlayer is already available for various mobile phones.
And this points to exactly why it was my mistake to buy an Apple Tv and not a Mac Mini instead for my TV. And you also get Safari on your TV.
If Apple added Hulu support they would sell a lot more AppleTvs. While I don't mind paying for non-fictional (i.e History, Discovery Channel, etc ...) shows, I see no reason to pay for the latest episode of 24, Chuck etc...
Apple doesn't have that choice. In fact, I think Hulu jumped all over Boxee to remove their unauthorized support for Hulu. They want to limit viewing to computers only for some strange reason.
Why would anyone rent anything with only a 24 hour viewing window?
Because for most people it only takes two hours to watch the movie. And actually, there's a mechanism to view the movie beyond that 24 hour period... just pause it. You can continue viewing it until it's over.
And this points to exactly why it was my mistake to buy an Apple Tv and not a Mac Mini instead for my TV. And you also get Safari on your TV.
So we have to pay for your mistake then? While I love to read comments, the need to skip over all your negative posts does get old after a while. Can't you do us a favor? Get a hammer; take your AppleTV outside and smash it to bits. Live a happy life.
Why would anyone rent anything with only a 24 hour viewing window?
Why not?
The ATV is basically an instant gratification device (possible intermittent slow download issue excepted). My wife and I decide if we feel in the mood for a movie, check what's available and what we feel like watching, initiate the download and start watching within minutes. A couple of hours later we're done. No planning required - that's the whole point.
Now I fully understand the issue for people with small kids. My friends in that category tell me that they never get to watch a rental movie all the way through in one sitting. (My response: get your damn' kids under control. <g>)
Unfortunately the whole 30 day/24 hour window limitation is a movie studio condition, not Apple's idea. In the end I imagine the studios will have to loosen up a bit, just as the record companies now have.
Now I fully understand the issue for people with small kids. My friends in that category tell me that they never get to watch a rental movie all the way through in one sitting. (My response: get your damn' kids under control. <g>)
I really hope that was a joke because you obviously don't have kids.
I guess I don't have my child "under control" because he is having a hard time with 4 teeth coming in and a double ear infection and I'm such a horrible father for going into his room and trying to comfort him so he can get back to sleep instead of plopping my ass on the couch, ignoring him so that I can watch through my movie rental in one sitting.
Why would anyone rent anything with only a 24 hour viewing window?
That's how Cox OnDemand works, and probably most of the other Cable/SatTV movie "rentals". Blame the movie studios.
Because for most people it only takes two hours to watch the movie. And actually, there's a mechanism to view the movie beyond that 24 hour period... just pause it. You can continue viewing it until it's over
That makes no sense- you can't go beyond 24 hours- period. And if it's on the last day of the 30 day rental- guess what- you're screwed.
So we have to pay for your mistake then? While I love to read comments, the need to skip over all your negative posts does get old after a while. Can't you do us a favor? Get a hammer; take your AppleTV outside and smash it to bits. Live a happy life.
Actually I'd like to keep it as a collector's item- a failed piece of consumer electronics
-like the iPod HiFi or an 8track player. I have a happy life- do you?
- This is a way out there idea, but why are there SD and HD quality movies available for rental? You NEED to have an HDTV to hook up an Apple TV to in the first place, why not make all movies one price and if there is an HD version then there is no SD version available.
You do NOT need an HDTV to hook it up. It will work on a Standard TV (480i),
as long the TV has Composite video inputs. It works great on my SD TV, and I'm glad they offer programming in SD still.
Why would anyone rent anything with only a 24 hour viewing window?
because its a 2-3hr movie?
as you fail at logic, 24 hrs minus 3 hrs equals 21 hrs left over.
We have no choice - that is what is has become- an iTune$ Jukebox.
We've been over this so many times. It was designed as an extension of iTunes on your Mac. The only real changes that have been made are to allow you to connect to other services, like the iTS server for rentals and purchases, YouTube, Flickr etc. The device is still the same as it ever was: iTunes for your TV.
And this points to exactly why it was my mistake to buy an Apple Tv and not a Mac Mini instead for my TV. And you also get Safari on your TV.
so SELL IT, and give the rest of us who actually enjoy it for what it is some peace on these threads.
after all I hear demand is about 3 times what it used to be, so you shouldn't loose too much.
Maybe I'll be able to shut mine off now rather than constantly having to unplug it.
Why don't you just put it on Standby like you would a DVD player or just about every other electronic device known to mankind?
because its a 2-3hr movie?
as you fail at logic, 24 hrs minus 3 hrs equals 21 hrs left over.
I see Teckstud's point here. The window is a bit limited in that if you have to stop, for example, half way through and then try to start it up the next night at the same time you are screwed unless you paused it and didn't do anything else with the device. I think even a 30 hour window be better as it would give you two evenings or two afternoons or whatever time of day you usually play a movie.
However, one must wonder what percentage of people that would be iTS movie rental customers are not going to rent because it's 24 hours (and not 30 or more hours)? I don't think it's enough to make the studios want to change their model anytime soon. I predict that once digital rentals really take off, then we should see some competition with rentals lasting longer as a marketing ploy to generate more business. Others will have to follow suit in kind.
That makes no sense- you can't go beyond 24 hours- period. And if it's on the last day of the 30 day rental- guess what- you're screwed.
Actually I'd like to keep it as a collector's item- a failed piece of consumer electronics
-like the iPod HiFi or an 8track player. I have a happy life- do you?
I think I've mentioned this before, but you are the kind of person who, if given a wheel barrow full of gold bars, would complain about the weight.
might I ask WHERE are all your MORE successful products? it seems your opinion is such that ANYTHING you could devise, program, manufacture and bring to market with perfect advertising, would blow Apple TV figures out of the water.
SO WHY DON'T YOU?
given that perspective, it becomes apparent that you really do know all about failure.
The text at the beginning says:
"This test sends information about your Internet connection to Apple in order to help improve download performance."
So I guess I shouldn't have been expecting any data.
I see Teckstud's point here. The window is a bit limited in that if you have to stop, for example, half way through and then try to start it up the next night at the same time you are screwed unless you paused it and didn't do anything else with the device. I think even a 30 hour window be better as it would give you two evenings or two afternoons or whatever time of day you usually play a movie. ...
The problem with teckstud is he only ever even has a *tiny* portion of a point, and usually only after about three or four back and forths with other, more intelligent posters feeding him his lines. He's like a fake Oblio without the charm. (extra points if anyone gets the reference).
We can all be jerks from time to time and I'm certain that I say some negative and even nasty things, but he makes a veritable career out of it. It's the same script over and over again.
He makes some a-hole off the cuff remark, constantly finding the dark lining to an otherwise shiny cloud. Three people call him on it and then he really starts to salivate, punching back on all fronts using the information graciously provided to him by people assuming he actually knows anything or is interested in a real debate. I can't think of a single contribution in terms of information or insight he has ever had.
He's an argument junkie like some of the rest of us, but as we all know an argument is not just the automatic gain-saying of everything the other guy says. He's also rude almost every time whereas I pride myself on only being rude some of the time and mostly only to idiots.
Stumbled upon 'Man on Wire' back in mid-January ... incredible documentary. Recommended!
The problem with teckstud is he only ever even has a *tiny* portion of a point, and usually only after about three or four back and forths with other, more intelligent posters feeding him his lines. He's like a fake Oblio without the charm. (extra points if anyone gets the reference).
We can all be jerks from time to time and I'm certain that I say some negative and even nasty things, but he makes a veritable career out of it. It's the same script over and over again.
He makes some a-hole off the cuff remark, constantly finding the dark lining to an otherwise shiny cloud. Three people call him on it and then he really starts to salivate, punching back on all fronts using the information graciously provided to him by people assuming he actually knows anything or is interested in a real debate. I can't think of a single contribution in terms of information or insight he has ever had.
He's an argument junkie like some of the rest of us, but as we all know an argument is not just the automatic gain-saying of everything the other guy says. He's also rude almost every time whereas I pride myself on only being rude some of the time and mostly only to idiots.
Why don't you just put it on Standby like you would a DVD player or just about every other electronic device known to mankind?
Actually I meant standby since you can't actually turn it off. My standby has not been working consistently since the last update. I'm wondering -Can ATV be put it in standby from an iPhone/Touch?
You actually leave your DVD player and every other electronic device know to man in standby 24/7?? Man, how much is your electric bill monthly??
so SELL IT, and give the rest of us who actually enjoy it for what it is some peace on these threads.
after all I hear demand is about 3 times what it used to be, so you shouldn't loose too much.
You mean it was worth one peanut and is now worth three?