Yeah except for that whole mostly-worthless "internet" thing that developed out of ARPANET.
On a side note, the whole "Government is bad so let's minimize it's role in everything except defense and the enforcement of Christian theocratic "morality" through "obscenity" censorship laws, anti-sodomy/oral sex laws, anti-homosexuality and anti-gay marriage laws, banning alcohol sales on Sundays, anti-abortion (even in the case of incest and/or rape) laws, anti-stem cell research laws, pro-creationism and anti-evolution "academic freedom" laws". mythos of the modern conservative movement is getting really tiring. I think most people agree that the Federal government is a necessary force and should be IMPROVED and made more EFFICIENT (not necessarily enlarged), not dismantled. Also, it's funny how republicans are screaming about "big government" and the national debt after 8 years of bush presiding over the largest expansion of federal government and the largest expansion of the national debt in a generation!
All those countries you mention pay HIGH taxes, a contractor I work with is from Canada and he is still a citizen and works here due to the high taxes he would have to pay there.
Obama is pushing a socialist agenda. ...
Speaking as a Canadian, you don't know what you're talking about here.
Countries like Canada and the European nations provide many more services to their population that the USA, for which they usually pay slightly higher taxes. If you could get both, like your construction friend, (unless you have morals) you probably will, that's just human nature. In general, the higher taxes are offset by a safer country, better standard of living, more freedom and higher wages.
A USA citizen basically knows absolutely *nothing* about what Socialism even is, and the USA is completely out of step with 90% of the world on this issue and has been for decades. Every time a citizen of the USA says something about "Socialism" on a forum like this that is read by people around the world, they are just making themselves look like an idiot.
Canada is not a "socialist" country, but even the right wing parties up here are somewhat to the left of Obama. Even Cuba is a bit of a stretch to call "socialist" these days.
The only thing that Obama forgot to announce in his speech last night was the cure for cancer.
Really, now, politics should have no role in the private sector's approach to innovation with computing. If the government had a hand in the development of the computer we'd all still be using IIe's.
Can you be truly that dumb?
The government DID have a hand in the devo of the computer AND the internet. I suppose DARPA and NASA are insignificant wastes of taxpayer money.
As much as it is easy to take swipes at the government - anybody with a 6th grade view of life can do so - it takes some intellectual honesty to really appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of the government.
Without the government we?d still be waiting for Richard Branson to be trying to make flights to the Moon cost effective and both the Soviet Union and China would have been there a dozen times by now.
Admit that the government does play a role in technology and MBA?s aren?t God?s gift to mankind and lay off 20 year old Reagan jokes.
However I don't need to hear a political speech every time someone is on a stage, from the stupid Grammy Awards to a private company shareholder meeting.
How about your dumb comments on AppleInsider threads?!?!?
Canadian taxes are slightly lower than US taxes, at least at the federal level, and at least in the highest tax bracket. Your friend probably left Canada before they lowered taxes.
The government DID have a hand in the devo of the computer AND the internet. I suppose DARPA and NASA are insignificant wastes of taxpayer money.
As much as it is easy to take swipes at the government - anybody with a 6th grade view of life can do so - it takes some intellectual honesty to really appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of the government.
Without the government we?d still be waiting for Richard Branson to be trying to make flights to the Moon cost effective and both the Soviet Union and China would have been there a dozen times by now.
Admit that the government does play a role in technology and MBA?s aren?t God?s gift to mankind and lay off 20 year old Reagan jokes.
I submit that government is needed, but don't confuse the prospect of throwing money at something as success. NASA has been flying the equivalent of a 1970's stationwagon into space for 20+ years. Successfully, yes, but where is the innovation. That is my point. You can put your skirt back on now.
NASA has been flying the equivalent of a 1970's stationwagon into space for 20+ years.
If you have a valid point to make, it is lost by making hyperbolic statements like the one above without having a single relevant and real example to back up your claims.
Yeah except for that whole mostly-worthless "internet" thing that developed out of ARPANET.
On a side note, the whole "Government is bad so let's minimize it's role in everything except defense and the enforcement of Christian theocratic "morality" through "obscenity" censorship laws, anti-sodomy/oral sex laws, anti-homosexuality and anti-gay marriage laws, banning alcohol sales on Sundays, anti-abortion (even in the case of incest and/or rape) laws, anti-stem cell research laws, pro-creationism and anti-evolution "academic freedom" laws". mythos of the modern conservative movement is getting really tiring. I think most people agree that the Federal government is a necessary force and should be IMPROVED and made more EFFICIENT (not necessarily enlarged), not dismantled. Also, it's funny how republicans are screaming about "big government" and the national debt after 8 years of bush presiding over the largest expansion of federal government and the largest expansion of the national debt in a generation!
If you have a valid point to make, it is lost by making hyperbolic statements like the one above without having a single relevant and real example to back up your claims.
Ancient technology and dead astronauts. Is that pointed enough? Try harder my friend. Once again, innovation WAS my original point.
Ancient technology and dead astronauts. Is that pointed enough
Pointed is pretty much the opposite of what you posted. Vague and obtuse seem more apt. I read quite a lot about "sciencey" stuff. a good deal of discoveries and innovations do come from NASA. If you expecting the discovery that Saturn's red spot is really an ancient alien giant cheery Slurpee machine then you are going to be unimpressed. much of it is in technologies that would not interest the public at large. Or may only interest them if they were given to understand some deeper concepts behind them. More often than I care to admit, i require a layman's explanation to get a handle of what some of these innovations could mean for the future.
A USA citizen basically knows absolutely *nothing* about what Socialism even is,
Don't worry, we're on the fast track to finding out.
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and the USA is completely out of step with 90% of the world on this issue and has been for decades.
As a U.S. citizen, I find that as a good thing.
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Every time a citizen of the USA says something about "Socialism" on a forum like this that is read by people around the world, they are just making themselves look like an idiot.
Why? If socialism and communism are so good, then why has it killed so many millions of people in the last 100 years? Why do so many people risk their lives to come to this country? How come there isn't a mass exodus of United States citizens fleeing to other countries?
Back to the story, I'm glad Shelton stood up and kept the company on track TO BUILD COMPUTERS AND GADGETS. If I wanted to invest my money in to social programs I would have donated it to the government. Let these "staunch liberals" do all of the happy, touchy, feely, stuff on their own time, on their own dime. Why does everything have to turn in to a political battle? This is what I expect of Apple, treat every one the same, i.e. blacks, whites, gays, straights, and make lots of money, end of story.
Pointed is pretty much the opposite of what you posted. Vague and obtuse seem more apt. I read quite a lot about "sciencey" stuff. a good deal of discoveries and innovations do come from NASA. If you expecting the discovery that Saturn's red spot is really an ancient alien giant cheery Slurpee machine then you are going to be unimpressed. much of it is in technologies that would not interest the public at large. Or may only interest them if they were given to understand some deeper concepts behind them. More often than I care to admit, i require a layman's explanation to get a handle of what some of these innovations could mean for the future.
I don't disagree with your approach, but entertain me by giving me a reasonable answer as to why NASA has not invested it's creative energies into new manned space vehicles, such as the shuttle? I appreciate all things "sciencey", but if we are going to be serious about exploration or growing the deeper concepts you appreciate, shouldn't we be more dedicated to renewing the "hardware" of the mission(s). Though unmanned, the Mars Rover was an amazing example of this potential. But I digress. We may be more alike than different.
All those countries you mention pay HIGH taxes, a contractor I work with is from Canada and he is still a citizen and works here due to the high taxes he would have to pay there.
Obama is pushing a socialist agenda.
However I don't need to hear a political speech every time someone is on a stage, from the stupid Grammy Awards to a private company shareholder meeting.
I already have to listen to the guy at work go on about how BUSH flew the planes into the towers on 9-11 (ok..Bush only was at air traffic control), to how Bush was having Black Ops tack out Dems. Haha
Uum, would you care to examine facts on how much we pay in taxes versus other nations that do have health care? Then, do the math. As our taxes are not much behind, we also have to pay out of pocket for health care, which for me and my family ranges between 400-900 month. I'd rather have health care included as my family in England pays less per year when including my yearly expenses with health care.
Lastly, "socialist" and "social democracy" are two very different terms/concepts. It is amusing that conservatives are using the new "boogeyman" term when the U.S. already has "socialized" schools, police, firemen - so many of our civil servants are government funded. While you're at it, explain why socialized medicine would be the next big evil when our government employees and politicians have government health care. Oh, wait, it's because so many health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and doctors would lose billions. As a diabetic, and as I have a few friends who have worked for Merck and Johnson & Johnson in research and development and as project managers, the industry would rather continue funding money into treatments rather than cures as there is millions in money for treatments in one lifetime than there is even in one expensive cure. The fact is, there is too much money to lose and big business has too many lobbyists and too much at stake.
yeah except for that whole mostly-worthless "internet" thing that developed out of arpanet.
On a side note, the whole "government is bad so let's minimize it's role in everything except defense and the enforcement of christian theocratic "morality" through "obscenity" censorship laws, anti-sodomy/oral sex laws, anti-homosexuality and anti-gay marriage laws, banning alcohol sales on sundays, anti-abortion (even in the case of incest and/or rape) laws, anti-stem cell research laws, pro-creationism and anti-evolution "academic freedom" laws". mythos of the modern conservative movement is getting really tiring. I think most people agree that the federal government is a necessary force and should be improved and made more efficient (not necessarily enlarged), not dismantled. Also, it's funny how republicans are screaming about "big government" and the national debt after 8 years of bush presiding over the largest expansion of federal government and the largest expansion of the national debt in a generation!
I don't disagree with your approach, but entertain me by giving me a reasonable answer as to why NASA has not invested it's creative energies into new manned space vehicles, such as the shuttle?
A more pragmatic NASA seems to have foregone the shuttle in favour or rocket for future missions. They are simpler, and therefore inherently cheaper and safer (though of course neither cheap or safe compared to any of our standards).
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I appreciate all things "sciencey", but if we are going to be serious about exploration or growing the deeper concepts you appreciate, shouldn't we be more dedicated to renewing the "hardware" of the mission(s).
I don't think new fancy HW is the answer. New fancy technology is. One of those things being cheaper and better fuels. NASA is working on some more fun stuff, which they put into competitions, like the machines to extract oxygen from lunar soil and rocks, which apparently makes up about 45% of the weight, and the space elevator that uses a counterweight attached to carbon-nanotubes that work from gravitational and centrifugal forces.
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Though unmanned, the Mars Rover was an amazing example of this potential.
Yes it was and it actually got people excited. They plan to go back to the moon, but but setting up any form of habitat appears to be several decades off. While you didn't actually state it, I agree that NASA should also work on some more flare project to get people interested in what they are doing.
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but I digress. We may be more alike than different.
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A comparison of more and less is always based on a POV. Even an apple and orange are more alike than dislike in most areas that I can think of. For instance, they are both seasonal, edible fruits from trees.
PS: Imagine for a second how science and life would have evolved on Earth had the moon had been rotating in a way that we did not always see the same face. It seems to be that even a slight rotation off from the revolution around the Earth would have allowed even the most uneducated to empirically know that the moon was a sphere, and assume that so was the Earth and other celestial bodies.
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Yeah except for that whole mostly-worthless "internet" thing that developed out of ARPANET.
On a side note, the whole "Government is bad so let's minimize it's role in everything except defense and the enforcement of Christian theocratic "morality" through "obscenity" censorship laws, anti-sodomy/oral sex laws, anti-homosexuality and anti-gay marriage laws, banning alcohol sales on Sundays, anti-abortion (even in the case of incest and/or rape) laws, anti-stem cell research laws, pro-creationism and anti-evolution "academic freedom" laws". mythos of the modern conservative movement is getting really tiring. I think most people agree that the Federal government is a necessary force and should be IMPROVED and made more EFFICIENT (not necessarily enlarged), not dismantled. Also, it's funny how republicans are screaming about "big government" and the national debt after 8 years of bush presiding over the largest expansion of federal government and the largest expansion of the national debt in a generation!
Blah, Blah, Blah.....
Bad day? I'm with you.
All those countries you mention pay HIGH taxes, a contractor I work with is from Canada and he is still a citizen and works here due to the high taxes he would have to pay there.
Obama is pushing a socialist agenda. ...
Speaking as a Canadian, you don't know what you're talking about here.
Countries like Canada and the European nations provide many more services to their population that the USA, for which they usually pay slightly higher taxes. If you could get both, like your construction friend, (unless you have morals) you probably will, that's just human nature. In general, the higher taxes are offset by a safer country, better standard of living, more freedom and higher wages.
A USA citizen basically knows absolutely *nothing* about what Socialism even is, and the USA is completely out of step with 90% of the world on this issue and has been for decades. Every time a citizen of the USA says something about "Socialism" on a forum like this that is read by people around the world, they are just making themselves look like an idiot.
Canada is not a "socialist" country, but even the right wing parties up here are somewhat to the left of Obama. Even Cuba is a bit of a stretch to call "socialist" these days.
The only thing that Obama forgot to announce in his speech last night was the cure for cancer.
Really, now, politics should have no role in the private sector's approach to innovation with computing. If the government had a hand in the development of the computer we'd all still be using IIe's.
Can you be truly that dumb?
The government DID have a hand in the devo of the computer AND the internet. I suppose DARPA and NASA are insignificant wastes of taxpayer money.
As much as it is easy to take swipes at the government - anybody with a 6th grade view of life can do so - it takes some intellectual honesty to really appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of the government.
Without the government we?d still be waiting for Richard Branson to be trying to make flights to the Moon cost effective and both the Soviet Union and China would have been there a dozen times by now.
Admit that the government does play a role in technology and MBA?s aren?t God?s gift to mankind and lay off 20 year old Reagan jokes.
However I don't need to hear a political speech every time someone is on a stage, from the stupid Grammy Awards to a private company shareholder meeting.
How about your dumb comments on AppleInsider threads?!?!?
Canadian taxes are slightly lower than US taxes, at least at the federal level, and at least in the highest tax bracket. Your friend probably left Canada before they lowered taxes.
http://www.taxtips.ca/taxrates/canada.htm
You're an idiot.
Your an idiot.
(You're) an idiot.
commentary than the off-the-cuff remarks I posted in another thread.
McLean's report rings true.
Those who think Tim Cook seems uninspiring may be underestimating him or
misunderstanding his role. In person you can sense his fierce focus, even moreso
than with hizzoner Jobs. If you were an Apple employee, you would get/give
inspiration no matter which alpha person was at the helm.
Two cents on the banter. The web/graphics entrepreneur was commenting upon
not just the limitations of Apple's iLife apps, but the steep learning curves of items
like Dreamweaver. She may not fit with Apple's current mass marketing, and falls
by the wayside in the expensive care-and-feeding of high-end stuff like FCP.
Her point may be valid, but we saw how Apple "middled-out" offerings like
Final Cut Express.
Oh, and about the green goon squad, who somehow ignores Apple's product revs
and animated greenish banner ads on the front page of nytimes.com. To reduce
carbon footprint, what do they want Apple to do, go beyond cutting out pastries for
shareholders to take away the coffee, too? They'd win a Pyrrhic victory, I suppose,
if Apple were to ditch all their servers and live in the Google cloud.
Back to the overflow room, the greenies did get me thinking. That room has
ten rows of eight recessed 75W dimmable halogen lamps. If Apple retrofit 80
Cree LR6 LED downlights (as they do Cree LEDS in LG-sourced displays) in this
and many other rooms in buildings at Infinite Loop, they might save a mess of
kilowatts. [Disclaimer, I also own shares in CREE.]
Lastly, it was a little bizarre to see shareholder/kook Shelton take pot shots at
a Nobel prize winner a short distance away, who could only roll his eyes and
chew his gum a bit more distractedly. But in the history of Apple shareholder
meetings, there have been more tense confrontations -- just ask Michael Spindler!
(You're) an idiot.
You're 're right there.
(You're) an idiot.
happy?
Can you be truly that dumb?
The government DID have a hand in the devo of the computer AND the internet. I suppose DARPA and NASA are insignificant wastes of taxpayer money.
As much as it is easy to take swipes at the government - anybody with a 6th grade view of life can do so - it takes some intellectual honesty to really appreciate the strengths and weaknesses of the government.
Without the government we?d still be waiting for Richard Branson to be trying to make flights to the Moon cost effective and both the Soviet Union and China would have been there a dozen times by now.
Admit that the government does play a role in technology and MBA?s aren?t God?s gift to mankind and lay off 20 year old Reagan jokes.
I submit that government is needed, but don't confuse the prospect of throwing money at something as success. NASA has been flying the equivalent of a 1970's stationwagon into space for 20+ years. Successfully, yes, but where is the innovation. That is my point. You can put your skirt back on now.
NASA has been flying the equivalent of a 1970's stationwagon into space for 20+ years.
If you have a valid point to make, it is lost by making hyperbolic statements like the one above without having a single relevant and real example to back up your claims.
Yeah except for that whole mostly-worthless "internet" thing that developed out of ARPANET.
On a side note, the whole "Government is bad so let's minimize it's role in everything except defense and the enforcement of Christian theocratic "morality" through "obscenity" censorship laws, anti-sodomy/oral sex laws, anti-homosexuality and anti-gay marriage laws, banning alcohol sales on Sundays, anti-abortion (even in the case of incest and/or rape) laws, anti-stem cell research laws, pro-creationism and anti-evolution "academic freedom" laws". mythos of the modern conservative movement is getting really tiring. I think most people agree that the Federal government is a necessary force and should be IMPROVED and made more EFFICIENT (not necessarily enlarged), not dismantled. Also, it's funny how republicans are screaming about "big government" and the national debt after 8 years of bush presiding over the largest expansion of federal government and the largest expansion of the national debt in a generation!
Yesssssssss!
If you have a valid point to make, it is lost by making hyperbolic statements like the one above without having a single relevant and real example to back up your claims.
Ancient technology and dead astronauts. Is that pointed enough? Try harder my friend. Once again, innovation WAS my original point.
Ancient technology and dead astronauts. Is that pointed enough
Pointed is pretty much the opposite of what you posted. Vague and obtuse seem more apt. I read quite a lot about "sciencey" stuff. a good deal of discoveries and innovations do come from NASA. If you expecting the discovery that Saturn's red spot is really an ancient alien giant cheery Slurpee machine then you are going to be unimpressed. much of it is in technologies that would not interest the public at large. Or may only interest them if they were given to understand some deeper concepts behind them. More often than I care to admit, i require a layman's explanation to get a handle of what some of these innovations could mean for the future.
A USA citizen basically knows absolutely *nothing* about what Socialism even is,
Don't worry, we're on the fast track to finding out.
and the USA is completely out of step with 90% of the world on this issue and has been for decades.
As a U.S. citizen, I find that as a good thing.
Every time a citizen of the USA says something about "Socialism" on a forum like this that is read by people around the world, they are just making themselves look like an idiot.
Why? If socialism and communism are so good, then why has it killed so many millions of people in the last 100 years? Why do so many people risk their lives to come to this country? How come there isn't a mass exodus of United States citizens fleeing to other countries?
Back to the story, I'm glad Shelton stood up and kept the company on track TO BUILD COMPUTERS AND GADGETS. If I wanted to invest my money in to social programs I would have donated it to the government. Let these "staunch liberals" do all of the happy, touchy, feely, stuff on their own time, on their own dime. Why does everything have to turn in to a political battle? This is what I expect of Apple, treat every one the same, i.e. blacks, whites, gays, straights, and make lots of money, end of story.
Pointed is pretty much the opposite of what you posted. Vague and obtuse seem more apt. I read quite a lot about "sciencey" stuff. a good deal of discoveries and innovations do come from NASA. If you expecting the discovery that Saturn's red spot is really an ancient alien giant cheery Slurpee machine then you are going to be unimpressed. much of it is in technologies that would not interest the public at large. Or may only interest them if they were given to understand some deeper concepts behind them. More often than I care to admit, i require a layman's explanation to get a handle of what some of these innovations could mean for the future.
I don't disagree with your approach, but entertain me by giving me a reasonable answer as to why NASA has not invested it's creative energies into new manned space vehicles, such as the shuttle? I appreciate all things "sciencey", but if we are going to be serious about exploration or growing the deeper concepts you appreciate, shouldn't we be more dedicated to renewing the "hardware" of the mission(s). Though unmanned, the Mars Rover was an amazing example of this potential. But I digress. We may be more alike than different.
All those countries you mention pay HIGH taxes, a contractor I work with is from Canada and he is still a citizen and works here due to the high taxes he would have to pay there.
Obama is pushing a socialist agenda.
However I don't need to hear a political speech every time someone is on a stage, from the stupid Grammy Awards to a private company shareholder meeting.
I already have to listen to the guy at work go on about how BUSH flew the planes into the towers on 9-11 (ok..Bush only was at air traffic control), to how Bush was having Black Ops tack out Dems. Haha
Uum, would you care to examine facts on how much we pay in taxes versus other nations that do have health care? Then, do the math. As our taxes are not much behind, we also have to pay out of pocket for health care, which for me and my family ranges between 400-900 month. I'd rather have health care included as my family in England pays less per year when including my yearly expenses with health care.
Lastly, "socialist" and "social democracy" are two very different terms/concepts. It is amusing that conservatives are using the new "boogeyman" term when the U.S. already has "socialized" schools, police, firemen - so many of our civil servants are government funded. While you're at it, explain why socialized medicine would be the next big evil when our government employees and politicians have government health care. Oh, wait, it's because so many health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and doctors would lose billions. As a diabetic, and as I have a few friends who have worked for Merck and Johnson & Johnson in research and development and as project managers, the industry would rather continue funding money into treatments rather than cures as there is millions in money for treatments in one lifetime than there is even in one expensive cure. The fact is, there is too much money to lose and big business has too many lobbyists and too much at stake.
yeah except for that whole mostly-worthless "internet" thing that developed out of arpanet.
On a side note, the whole "government is bad so let's minimize it's role in everything except defense and the enforcement of christian theocratic "morality" through "obscenity" censorship laws, anti-sodomy/oral sex laws, anti-homosexuality and anti-gay marriage laws, banning alcohol sales on sundays, anti-abortion (even in the case of incest and/or rape) laws, anti-stem cell research laws, pro-creationism and anti-evolution "academic freedom" laws". mythos of the modern conservative movement is getting really tiring. I think most people agree that the federal government is a necessary force and should be improved and made more efficient (not necessarily enlarged), not dismantled. Also, it's funny how republicans are screaming about "big government" and the national debt after 8 years of bush presiding over the largest expansion of federal government and the largest expansion of the national debt in a generation!
amen.
I don't disagree with your approach, but entertain me by giving me a reasonable answer as to why NASA has not invested it's creative energies into new manned space vehicles, such as the shuttle?
A more pragmatic NASA seems to have foregone the shuttle in favour or rocket for future missions. They are simpler, and therefore inherently cheaper and safer (though of course neither cheap or safe compared to any of our standards).
I appreciate all things "sciencey", but if we are going to be serious about exploration or growing the deeper concepts you appreciate, shouldn't we be more dedicated to renewing the "hardware" of the mission(s).
I don't think new fancy HW is the answer. New fancy technology is. One of those things being cheaper and better fuels. NASA is working on some more fun stuff, which they put into competitions, like the machines to extract oxygen from lunar soil and rocks, which apparently makes up about 45% of the weight, and the space elevator that uses a counterweight attached to carbon-nanotubes that work from gravitational and centrifugal forces.
Though unmanned, the Mars Rover was an amazing example of this potential.
Yes it was and it actually got people excited. They plan to go back to the moon, but but setting up any form of habitat appears to be several decades off. While you didn't actually state it, I agree that NASA should also work on some more flare project to get people interested in what they are doing.
but I digress. We may be more alike than different.
A comparison of more and less is always based on a POV. Even an apple and orange are more alike than dislike in most areas that I can think of. For instance, they are both seasonal, edible fruits from trees.
PS: Imagine for a second how science and life would have evolved on Earth had the moon had been rotating in a way that we did not always see the same face. It seems to be that even a slight rotation off from the revolution around the Earth would have allowed even the most uneducated to empirically know that the moon was a sphere, and assume that so was the Earth and other celestial bodies.
You're an idiot.
I'm an idiot because I think that 35% (US top tax bracket) is higher than 29% (Canadian top tax bracket)?
Here is the data again, so you can read it this time.
Canada: http://www.taxtips.ca/taxrates/canada.htm
US: http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm
US Federal tax rates are higher than Canadian tax rates, particularly for rich people.