Port forwarding and UPnP is what it is. Apple has made it easier by making their own routers which forward the traffic and give QoS to certain traffic.
I have absolutely no idea of what you just said. Sounds exactly like the conversation between Apple's iChat manuals/error messages and the IT guys I have to deal with. Gobbledygook.
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I don't think they can really do more than that, unless you expect them to pay other companies to auto-configure their routers just for iChat A/V.
I am amazed that Gmail, Skype, etc are able to do a much better job of it. I rarely have issues with those. So I find it difficult to believe that Apple can't "really do more than that."
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What do you find crappy about me.com? I
For starters, Apple's email system. It's atrocious, and hasn't evolved much in over five years. One reason I hold on to it is that all my family's email IDs are on the system, and Apple does a good job of keeping spam down (compared to other email service providers). The other, inertia.
I have absolutely no idea of what you just said. Sounds exactly like the conversation between Apple's iChat manuals/error messages and the IT guys I have to deal with. Gobbledygook.
it's just network stuff that allows for a better and faster connection for your time-sensitive data, like voice and video.
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I am amazed that Gmail, Skype, etc are able to do a much better job of it. I rarely have issues with those. So I find it difficult to believe that Apple can't "really do more than that.".
I've had exactly the same issues with Skype. If you don't forward ports (it's like what the FastPass from Disney that actually works as planned), have UPnP (Universal Plug'n Play) or QoS (Quality of Service) routing it can still work fine, but if you network gets bogged down you data will get in queue just like all other data.
The image link below shows some of the port setup you can find on Skype...
If you having more choppiness iChat A/V over Skype it may be because iChat A/V is sending out higher quality streams that take up more bandwidth. I really don't know as I have never tested Skype and iChat A/V back to back.
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For starters, Apple's email system. It's atrocious, and hasn't evolved much in over five years. One reason I hold on to it is that all my family's email IDs are on the system, and Apple does a good job of keeping spam down (compared to other email service providers). The other, inertia.
I find the email system great. I use Gmail and forward it to my MM account which pushes it to my iPhone. Been doing this since they first offered it nearly a year ago. In fact, my biggest issue with .Mac was that I actually get more junk mail there than on Gmail, though that has changed with MM, but it's still more than Gmail.
If the sales, BT range and battery life weren't being reported as low I would think that would be obvious, but I think it also might just be discontinued altogether.
I've tried to figure out the best way to have voice dialing on the iPhone itself that is easy to initiate while in my pocket. The Sleep and Home buttons are too awkward to press down and hold to initiate voice dialing while in your pocket. While in your palm the Sleep is still awkward while the Home is moderately functional, but I don't think it's ideal.
Also, you can't have it on the lanyard of the headphones unless you move the mic away from the buttons because it covers up the mic when pressed.
I think more than likely is that the current headphone controls don't support 'click and hold' (like the new iPod shuffle has) they only support single click actions, so I would say the new model iPhone will come with the new style headphones (with volume controls as well), as 'click and hold' would be the obvious use for voice control or dialling - you speak after a tone or something.
I think for sure the 'voice control' feature as well as video functions, will only be supported on the new device.
I had told myself that I don't need to upgrade from my 3G, that 3.0 OS is the only thing I wanted - but Apple will find that I am hopeless when it comes to being rational with purchasing their new devices.
EDIT: Looks like someone earlier in the thread mentioned this as well - well played, sir.
I had the jailbroken video camera on my 2g iPhone and it wasn't that good at all. 15 fps is pitiful, and the distortion you get when you move the camera is no good. The lens on the iPhone is pretty nice for a phone, it gets ok stills, but could be higher res. Video would look great if it weren't jerky from being 15 fps. Film is 24, TV is 30, either of those would be fine. The wait for transcoding makes you think you broke your phone. Not very Apple like.
To some it may seem stupid to leave video off of the early iterations of the iPhone, but Apple has a video software reputation to uphold, and it takes work to get a worthwhile, easy, connected video experience on a phone. How many really great video phones are out there that can edit and upload to youtube on the run? It has to look good and be dumbass-simple to use so you can do it with very few button presses or transcode or transfer errors, that's only now becoming reasonably easy to do.
Plus this will probably wind up as an "iReport" journalistic tool, so one must consider CNN's requirements, and how Apple will look on TV. I remember the Virginia Tech shooting had a Nokia N95 video shot by a student of the building the shooter was in. Footage quality was ok, but very obviously shot on a phone. More positively, iPhones and Touches could save lives if given to victims in countries where genocide is occurring as the bad guys would know they could and would be on camera at any time in a level of quality that could ID them, catches some, makes others think twice. If your camera shakes while running (like from a gunman) at 30fps, it's bad but salvageable, whereas that detail is gone at 15fps. Someone who may have thought they'd have justice finds they have crap video. Not the situation of the average user I'm sure, but an example of why a special edition phone that pays attention to video is in order over a bandaid to make a non-video phone pretend it is one.
As other's said, try it on jailbroken phone, or look at a friend's who did. That's as good as the hardware will allow, and it's not good enough to get upset about IMO.
Makes you wonder if maybe they do actually have a slider up their sleeve.
A slider would give them room for a lens that could actually leverage a 5MP sensor. And the rest of that increased internal space would allow a pretty massive battery.
And the more I think about it, the more I think wider support for the landscape thumbboard was part of an update that abstracted text input to at least support bluetooth keyboards. And if they're going to support a keyboard, why not a slider?
So maybe they do have two models: an 'iPhone Video' (iPhone 3G + cpu/ram/flash bump + compass + 3.2MP camera) and then the rumored "iPhone Pro" (iPhone Video in a slider + 5MP camera + more storage).
Didn't realize you worked for Apple Marketing. I've not seen videos from jailbroken iPhones. Obviously, Apple didn't think it good enough quality, and I suspect that is why it is not there. They want it excellent or not at all. I'm not sure what the "dire consequences" might be, unless people are ruining their jailbroken phones or constantly crashing them - never heard this. Use of battery life should be my choice. I might be disappointed with the quality, and Apple probably thinks I would be, but I bet it is as good as a lot of other phones.
This is exactly why it should not be *your* choice.
Because as soon as you were "disappointed with the quality" you would roam around forums, blogs and newsgroups crying about how bad the iPhone is, with its' sucky camera, etc... If not you, then loads of other people.
They don't need the bad publicity --and they do just fine on sales volume without video capture or the kitchen sink, so they did not *need* those too.
On the new iPhone, where the hardware and memory will be better, that's another story.
That sure is your choice, just as it's Apple choice to not to include a feature that will result in returns, lawsuits and a general weakening of the brand and product because it doesn't ruins their product model.
If you don't think these things are not taken into consideration or that a company is somehow required to include a feature simply because YOU want it and it's technically possible then you don't understand how a free market works. I don't recall ever reading so many posts basically stating "I want it so Apple should include it!" before the iPhone arrived.
Take a look at the Blackberry Storm/Thunder for an example of how a product can get damaged if you fail to deliver. If the iPhone 3G with its v2.0 OS was the first iPhone that Apple launched it may have suffered the same consequences with 3G issues in large metropolises and frequent Safari browser crashes.
If you want a battery eating video cam go ahead and jailbreak your iPhone. I have jailbroken every version up until v3.0 and tried out plenty of the free apps that were touted by the jailbreaking community before the App Store SDK was ready. Install it, then tell me if it's a worthwhile app or if the idea of having it regardless of the usability is more of geek-dick measuring tool.
You're gonna get fired... You and a lot of other people have said the video quality is awful, worse than almost any other phone. This is a bit surprising. Fair enough, that's reason to forget about it.
Actually, I understand the whole marketing and development process quite well - I'm involved in it in another industry. It is not always technical issues that drive everything - it can be resources, budget, or time to market. I don't think YOU understand responding to the market if you are questioning a lot of people saying "I want it so Apple should include it!" I suppose Apple does - that's why it is on the next version. I do understand them not doing something because it drains the battery. I might be reasonable about it, but a lot of people would not. As I said previously, I know they do things extremely well or not at all. I guess I can't argue with the strategy - myself and millions of others bought iPhones and enjoy them, even without video recording, stereo bluetooth or voice dialing. A very high end phone not doing things that nearly any phone does was a pretty odd marketing strategy, though.
I don't jailbreak, because I suspect it is a lot like "bleeding edge" linux distributions - they are really cool until they don't work. And good luck with that measuring tool app, tell us how you get along.
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Port forwarding and UPnP is what it is. Apple has made it easier by making their own routers which forward the traffic and give QoS to certain traffic.
I have absolutely no idea of what you just said. Sounds exactly like the conversation between Apple's iChat manuals/error messages and the IT guys I have to deal with. Gobbledygook.
I don't think they can really do more than that, unless you expect them to pay other companies to auto-configure their routers just for iChat A/V.
I am amazed that Gmail, Skype, etc are able to do a much better job of it. I rarely have issues with those. So I find it difficult to believe that Apple can't "really do more than that."
What do you find crappy about me.com? I
For starters, Apple's email system. It's atrocious, and hasn't evolved much in over five years. One reason I hold on to it is that all my family's email IDs are on the system, and Apple does a good job of keeping spam down (compared to other email service providers). The other, inertia.
I have absolutely no idea of what you just said. Sounds exactly like the conversation between Apple's iChat manuals/error messages and the IT guys I have to deal with. Gobbledygook.
it's just network stuff that allows for a better and faster connection for your time-sensitive data, like voice and video.
I am amazed that Gmail, Skype, etc are able to do a much better job of it. I rarely have issues with those. So I find it difficult to believe that Apple can't "really do more than that.".
I've had exactly the same issues with Skype. If you don't forward ports (it's like what the FastPass from Disney that actually works as planned), have UPnP (Universal Plug'n Play) or QoS (Quality of Service) routing it can still work fine, but if you network gets bogged down you data will get in queue just like all other data.
The image link below shows some of the port setup you can find on Skype...If you having more choppiness iChat A/V over Skype it may be because iChat A/V is sending out higher quality streams that take up more bandwidth. I really don't know as I have never tested Skype and iChat A/V back to back.
For starters, Apple's email system. It's atrocious, and hasn't evolved much in over five years. One reason I hold on to it is that all my family's email IDs are on the system, and Apple does a good job of keeping spam down (compared to other email service providers). The other, inertia.
I find the email system great. I use Gmail and forward it to my MM account which pushes it to my iPhone. Been doing this since they first offered it nearly a year ago. In fact, my biggest issue with .Mac was that I actually get more junk mail there than on Gmail, though that has changed with MM, but it's still more than Gmail.
If the sales, BT range and battery life weren't being reported as low I would think that would be obvious, but I think it also might just be discontinued altogether.
I've tried to figure out the best way to have voice dialing on the iPhone itself that is easy to initiate while in my pocket. The Sleep and Home buttons are too awkward to press down and hold to initiate voice dialing while in your pocket. While in your palm the Sleep is still awkward while the Home is moderately functional, but I don't think it's ideal.
Also, you can't have it on the lanyard of the headphones unless you move the mic away from the buttons because it covers up the mic when pressed.
I think more than likely is that the current headphone controls don't support 'click and hold' (like the new iPod shuffle has) they only support single click actions, so I would say the new model iPhone will come with the new style headphones (with volume controls as well), as 'click and hold' would be the obvious use for voice control or dialling - you speak after a tone or something.
I think for sure the 'voice control' feature as well as video functions, will only be supported on the new device.
I had told myself that I don't need to upgrade from my 3G, that 3.0 OS is the only thing I wanted - but Apple will find that I am hopeless when it comes to being rational with purchasing their new devices.
EDIT: Looks like someone earlier in the thread mentioned this as well - well played, sir.
To some it may seem stupid to leave video off of the early iterations of the iPhone, but Apple has a video software reputation to uphold, and it takes work to get a worthwhile, easy, connected video experience on a phone. How many really great video phones are out there that can edit and upload to youtube on the run? It has to look good and be dumbass-simple to use so you can do it with very few button presses or transcode or transfer errors, that's only now becoming reasonably easy to do.
Plus this will probably wind up as an "iReport" journalistic tool, so one must consider CNN's requirements, and how Apple will look on TV. I remember the Virginia Tech shooting had a Nokia N95 video shot by a student of the building the shooter was in. Footage quality was ok, but very obviously shot on a phone. More positively, iPhones and Touches could save lives if given to victims in countries where genocide is occurring as the bad guys would know they could and would be on camera at any time in a level of quality that could ID them, catches some, makes others think twice. If your camera shakes while running (like from a gunman) at 30fps, it's bad but salvageable, whereas that detail is gone at 15fps. Someone who may have thought they'd have justice finds they have crap video. Not the situation of the average user I'm sure, but an example of why a special edition phone that pays attention to video is in order over a bandaid to make a non-video phone pretend it is one.
As other's said, try it on jailbroken phone, or look at a friend's who did. That's as good as the hardware will allow, and it's not good enough to get upset about IMO.
A slider would give them room for a lens that could actually leverage a 5MP sensor. And the rest of that increased internal space would allow a pretty massive battery.
And the more I think about it, the more I think wider support for the landscape thumbboard was part of an update that abstracted text input to at least support bluetooth keyboards. And if they're going to support a keyboard, why not a slider?
So maybe they do have two models: an 'iPhone Video' (iPhone 3G + cpu/ram/flash bump + compass + 3.2MP camera) and then the rumored "iPhone Pro" (iPhone Video in a slider + 5MP camera + more storage).
Didn't realize you worked for Apple Marketing. I've not seen videos from jailbroken iPhones. Obviously, Apple didn't think it good enough quality, and I suspect that is why it is not there. They want it excellent or not at all. I'm not sure what the "dire consequences" might be, unless people are ruining their jailbroken phones or constantly crashing them - never heard this. Use of battery life should be my choice. I might be disappointed with the quality, and Apple probably thinks I would be, but I bet it is as good as a lot of other phones.
This is exactly why it should not be *your* choice.
Because as soon as you were "disappointed with the quality" you would roam around forums, blogs and newsgroups crying about how bad the iPhone is, with its' sucky camera, etc... If not you, then loads of other people.
They don't need the bad publicity --and they do just fine on sales volume without video capture or the kitchen sink, so they did not *need* those too.
On the new iPhone, where the hardware and memory will be better, that's another story.
That sure is your choice, just as it's Apple choice to not to include a feature that will result in returns, lawsuits and a general weakening of the brand and product because it doesn't ruins their product model.
If you don't think these things are not taken into consideration or that a company is somehow required to include a feature simply because YOU want it and it's technically possible then you don't understand how a free market works. I don't recall ever reading so many posts basically stating "I want it so Apple should include it!" before the iPhone arrived.
Take a look at the Blackberry Storm/Thunder for an example of how a product can get damaged if you fail to deliver. If the iPhone 3G with its v2.0 OS was the first iPhone that Apple launched it may have suffered the same consequences with 3G issues in large metropolises and frequent Safari browser crashes.
If you want a battery eating video cam go ahead and jailbreak your iPhone. I have jailbroken every version up until v3.0 and tried out plenty of the free apps that were touted by the jailbreaking community before the App Store SDK was ready. Install it, then tell me if it's a worthwhile app or if the idea of having it regardless of the usability is more of geek-dick measuring tool.
You're gonna get fired... You and a lot of other people have said the video quality is awful, worse than almost any other phone. This is a bit surprising. Fair enough, that's reason to forget about it.
Actually, I understand the whole marketing and development process quite well - I'm involved in it in another industry. It is not always technical issues that drive everything - it can be resources, budget, or time to market. I don't think YOU understand responding to the market if you are questioning a lot of people saying "I want it so Apple should include it!" I suppose Apple does - that's why it is on the next version. I do understand them not doing something because it drains the battery. I might be reasonable about it, but a lot of people would not. As I said previously, I know they do things extremely well or not at all. I guess I can't argue with the strategy - myself and millions of others bought iPhones and enjoy them, even without video recording, stereo bluetooth or voice dialing. A very high end phone not doing things that nearly any phone does was a pretty odd marketing strategy, though.
I don't jailbreak, because I suspect it is a lot like "bleeding edge" linux distributions - they are really cool until they don't work. And good luck with that measuring tool app, tell us how you get along.