Apple near ready with release of Mac OS X 10.5.7 Juno

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  • Reply 61 of 114
    cubertcubert Posts: 728member
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    Originally Posted by diskimage View Post


    What is wrong with the find/search function?

    It works ok for me



    When I press Command-F and type in my search term(s) and then hit enter, it displays the number of hits but doesn't dim out the screen and highlight the first found result until I close the search box and then open it up again (which I always do with Command-F) and then hit the enter key again.



    It may be because I am using a more recent version of WebKit. I tend to download a new WebKit verison about once a week (and I highly recommend it - definitely speeds up Safari even more). Apple tends to use months old versions of WebKit, mainly for their guaranteed stability.



    P.S.

    That first sentence above would have made William Faulkner very happy.
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  • Reply 62 of 114
    Bring It! We need sync function to be faster and more reliable, between the iPhone/computer/iDisk/MobilMe.
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  • Reply 63 of 114
    oomuoomu Posts: 130member
    safari4 beta never hangs on my computer



    mac os 8.6 was not stable



    no kernel panic on my mac, whatever thousands of file I manipulate by network at my jobs



    to use windows to works on smb linux/os X shares is not easy. Yes, I manage corporate linux smb servers to serve thousands of windows desktop, it's great , but we custom made the smb configuration.



    OS X smb support is here to access windows/linux shares, not the reverse.



    your bug seems to be a locking-file bug. Typical with Microsoft Office. (at my work, we force the file to be owned by a system user and let the creator to have all control. we avoid sudden change of author and lost of permission for others users when Office recreate/delete the real file to manipulate the document. )



    -

    no "freeze" when I do a screencapture



    -

    many bugs I read in forums seems so important for the person telling it, but I never saw them or seems very specific.



    Do not use plugins, no plugins.
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  • Reply 64 of 114
    mactelmactel Posts: 1,275member
    10.5.7 is nice and all but I'd like an update to Safari 4.0 beta. There's some sites that javascript does not work on (i.e. my Hotmail webmail).
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  • Reply 65 of 114
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
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    10.5.7 is nice and all but I'd like an update to Safari 4.0 beta. There's some sites that javascript does not work on (i.e. my Hotmail webmail).



    You need to set the user agent to Firefox to get hotmail to work. However, hotmail has been working fine with Safari beta 4.0 for few days now. I think it was a problem with hotmail not Safari because even Chrome had problems with it when it was first released.
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  • Reply 66 of 114
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Archivist View Post


    Maybe Juno will finally clear up that pesky "Airport: Scanning" issue. And, yes, I've tried all the fixes mentioned in the threads, have all the latest firmware and hardware updates, and am running my network with the latest Airport Extreme.



    Have you tried iStumbler?
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  • Reply 67 of 114
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,713member
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    Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post


    Yes, blu-ray support would be nice. But clearly, it's not HDCP that's holding it back. Steve Jobs complained that the licensing necessary was "a bag of hurt". Since then a centralised system/body has been set up to handle that side of things so maybe we'll see something in Snow Leopard.



    There's also the fact that Apple still haven't implemented High-Profile H.264, and don't have a VC-1 codec either. Having said that, they've probably got them working "in the lab".



    I agree. I've mentioned that.



    But, other computer companies, as well as a vast number of consumer manufacturers, many a fraction the size of Apple, have managed to maneuver through that "bag of hurt". Apple is just putting this off for as long as they can. As Apple was one of the first members of the consortium, getting the licenses would have been no big deal.



    This is one of those situations where Jobs tells the truth, but not all of it.
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  • Reply 68 of 114
    kaiwaikaiwai Posts: 246member
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    Originally Posted by henrikmk View Post


    I hope they fixed the GMA3100 drivers for last generation macbooks. OpenGL simply sucks with crashes, kernel panics and whatnot, when using certain 3D apps.



    If you're getting kernel panics then you should have taken it back to the store and complained. Sitting around here complaining to the forum isn't going to fix things.
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  • Reply 69 of 114
    kaiwaikaiwai Posts: 246member
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    Originally Posted by Fuzbr View Post


    We long-time, rural-based Apple fans are a bit discouraged by the dramatic increase in update sizes. Many of us still have relatively slow DSL or satellite links, and worse yet, they have very restrictive limits. Our typical account in this area has a 2GB up/down limit/month, with 128k speed. Overage is $30/GB. I'd hazard a guess that there are more than a few of us who are cringing at this update size. We're to the point where one of us downloads a combo update then shares with everyone. It's more than a little time-wasting. I hope 10.7's code cleanup also trends toward smaller updates. I'm all for code fixes, but...



    So hang on, you CHOOSE to live in these rural areas and expect the whole world to change specially for you? If you're a farmer - then run it off as a business related expense - assuming you view that owning a farm is a business - NOT a charity.
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  • Reply 70 of 114
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post


    Yes, blu-ray support would be nice. But clearly, it's not HDCP that's holding it back. Steve Jobs complained that the licensing necessary was "a bag of hurt". Since then a centralised system/body has been set up to handle that side of things so maybe we'll see something in Snow Leopard.



    There's also the fact that Apple still haven't implemented High-Profile H.264, and don't have a VC-1 codec either. Having said that, they've probably got them working "in the lab".



    Jobs didn't say that licensing was a bag of hurt, he stated that Blu-ray was a bag of hurt. There are many aspects to supporting the tech that are major obstacles for Apple that are not the same obstacle for other vendors.
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  • Reply 71 of 114
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    Have you tried iStumbler?



    Yup. No help, but thanks. I've also tried AP Grapher.
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  • Reply 72 of 114
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    Originally Posted by oomu View Post


    OS X smb support is here to access windows/linux shares, not the reverse.



    your bug seems to be a locking-file bug. Typical with Microsoft Office. (at my work, we force the file to be owned by a system user and let the creator to have all control. we avoid sudden change of author and lost of permission for others users when Office recreate/delete the real file to manipulate the document. )



    SMB (well, SAMBA) support IS for sharing drives to Windows. Its advertised on Apple's site. Therefore, it should work properly.



    I'm not using MS Office. so that issues is out. I just copy files to and from the Mini. Nothing special or accessing the files over the network or anything like that. Copy to and from the Mini, and that's it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Having to go in every other day and re-Sudo CHMOD the files = FAIL.



    Its funny when I tell Apple fans of my plights with Apple products, how many of them disregard my issues as something OTHER than Apple, when clearly it is an Apple issue!



    All I'm saying (and have said to Apple already) is to fix this bug! They had it working for the most part in 10.4.11!
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  • Reply 73 of 114
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    Originally Posted by Ten View Post


    hmmmm... I don't have such SMB file sharing problems...I have generally found that my Macs work better and more productively in a Windows networking environment then guest or even native windows machines!



    I wish I could agree with you here. I work in a large company with a lot of Macs accessing SMB shares that work fine under Windows, but give odd error messages when connecting on 10.5.6 (but fine under Tiger!!) the workaround is to click on the IP address of the mount in the sidebar and then the name of the share (but only in column view in Finder). This is crazy to have to tell users this as a fix. It is as if finder tries to connect to SMB too quickly before waiting on the user's permissions etc.



    Of course PC users connecting to SMB on the Mac server don't have this problem. This is quite backwards!
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  • Reply 74 of 114
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Archivist View Post


    Yup. No help, but thanks. I've also tried AP Grapher.



    I buy a Mac notebook about every other refresh. The only issues I've had with WiFi have been with routers using the same channels as other routers in the area. I hope you get your resolution with Juno.
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  • Reply 75 of 114
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Oh-es-Ten View Post


    I wish I could agree with you here. I work in a large company with a lot of Macs accessing SMB shares that work fine under Windows, but give odd error messages when connecting on 10.5.6 (but fine under Tiger!!) the workaround is to click on the IP address of the mount in the sidebar and then the name of the share (but only in column view in Finder). This is crazy to have to tell users this as a fix. It is as if finder tries to connect to SMB too quickly before waiting on the user's permissions etc.



    Of course PC users connecting to SMB on the Mac server don't have this problem. This is quite backwards!



    Apple has never really gotten its SMB down quite right. They have a lot of work to do to get networking in a mixed environment to be as seamless as the rest of their system.
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  • Reply 76 of 114
    mr. hmr. h Posts: 4,870member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Jobs didn't say that licensing was a bag of hurt, he stated that Blu-ray was a bag of hurt. There are many aspects to supporting the tech that are major obstacles for Apple that are not the same obstacle for other vendors.



    OK, if you're selective with the quote, Jobs did strictly speaking say "blu-ray is a bag of hurt". But what did he say immediately after? Here's the entire quote (source):



    "Blu-ray is just a bag of hurt. It's great to watch the movies, but the licensing of the tech is so complex, we're waiting till things settle down and Blu-ray takes off in the marketplace."



    I will continue to interpret the above statement as Jobs meaning that licensing blu-ray is a pain and not worth the effort given its market penetration.



    What "major obstacles" do Apple face that others don't? Is there something in the standard specification that states that when Apple do it, it has to be ten times more complicated?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Apple has never really gotten its SMB down quite right.



    I do agree that Apple should sort this out; they've got the resources. However, I'd definitely lay some of the blame at the feet of SMB itself. It's a horrible, horrible protocol.
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  • Reply 77 of 114
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post


    What "major obstacles" do Apple face that others don't? Is there something in the standard specification that states that when Apple do it, it has to be ten times more complicated?



    The cost of the players. Since Apple needs 9.5mm drives they will cost Apple considerably more for slower players for their entire Mac line, sans the Mac Pro and potentially the external drive used by MBA as there isn't a real height constraint that prevents them from using a 12.5mm drive However, even the 12.5mm drives, which are the thinnest ones on the market currently that I can find, are still cost prohibitive compared to the thick tray loading drives found in other notebook PCs. It's not like Apple would be charging less than these 3rd-party resellers as Apple will be supporting the HW and include their "Apple tax."



    I understand that Apple doesn't have to make their notebooks so thin, but that is what they do and I doubt they will change that to allow an option that will be purchased by very few. I think that Apple wants to pull people from the slow read/writes and high cost per MB, large component size of optical media. I think they will stick with DVD until they can drop optical media all together. If they include it I think it will have to an external drive, and even then I think it would have to merely supported for HDCP and not an actual Apple-branded product. Can HDCP even be routed over USB?



    Quote:

    I do agree that Apple should sort this out; they've got the resources. However, I'd definitely lay some of the blame at the feet of SMB itself. It's a horrible, horrible protocol.



    I wish the Sharing pane in System Preferences had a Windows file sharing option with access to change the WINS, choose an Workgroup, etc. Right now it's just too many places to configure to get them to talk both ways.
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  • Reply 78 of 114
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    Originally Posted by MacTel View Post


    10.5.7 is nice and all but I'd like an update to Safari 4.0 beta. There's some sites that javascript does not work on (i.e. my Hotmail webmail).



    It will be updated when you update 10.5.7



    A new beta will be released before or at same time.



    I think a Safari update will happen tomorrow and on Monday the OS update. My predictions!
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  • Reply 79 of 114
    mcarlingmcarling Posts: 1,106member
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    Originally Posted by Cubert View Post


    I don't think so. Snow Leopard probably won't be released until August or September after giving developers a feature-complete version at WWDC. I think there will be a 10.5.9 at least that will be release right around Snow Leopard (ie. week or two before or after).



    I would be surprised to ever see a 10.5.9. I think 10.5.8 is likely, but 10.5.7 might be the last one.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post


    And you think all of the 445MB is ONLY bug fixes?



    It's a mix of bug fixes and drivers for new hardware.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    The cost of the players. Since Apple needs 9.5mm drives they will cost Apple considerably more for slower players for their entire Mac line, sans the Mac Pro and potentially the external drive used by MBA as there isn't a real height constraint that prevents them from using a 12.5mm drive. ...



    I understand that Apple doesn't have to make their notebooks so thin, but that is what they do and I doubt they will change that to allow an option that will be purchased by very few. I think that Apple wants to pull people from the slow read/writes and high cost per MB, large component size of optical media. I think they will stick with DVD until they can drop optical media all together.



    I agree. I expect that the next major revision of Apple's notebook line will eliminate internal rotating storage altogether. I expect to see flash storage and RAM integrated directly on the MB without any possibility of upgrading later. That would make the whole line thin and light enough that there would not longer be any need for a separate MBA as all Apple notebooks would be thinner than the current MBA.
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  • Reply 80 of 114
    jlanddjlandd Posts: 873member
    I just want everything to work. I'm pretty happy now that I backtracked to 10.5.2 (though I'd probably be fine at 10.5.4). 10.5.6 hosed me in more ways than I could say in a page. I gambled and lost.



    I'll await reports from the first million updaters first.
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