I agree that he should be able to tear it down and it looks like it probably needs to be (even though it is creepily cool). What I don't understand, however, is why he ever bought the house in the first place? Was there no property nearby or houses that he actually liked?
Mold everywhere. And mold is linked to all sorts of diseases. Best thing he could do is to hire an environmental health company and make sure he avoids mold and mites and chemicals, considering his health.
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Alan Kay will take that pipe organ (I believe that's still his only professional affiliation).
There are plenty of people who would and could rehab that place. Steve just isn't one of them.
As for Plan B, good luck disassembling and reassembling a stucco / plaster house. I've lived in two. Close the door too hard and things fall off them.
If it were up to me, I'd restore it, but not for the purpose of preserving its history. I just think it's an awesome house!
I fully agree. But if he wants to throw it down, I wouldn't care. It doesn't look THAT important. Still, looks very cool! Reminds me of the house in Sunset Blvd. (the 1950's movie) for some reason.
A couple of years ago, photographer Jonathan Haeber stumbled upon the Jackling house to find its property gate ajar and the doors and broken windows to the house wide open.
Not EVEN remotely the same thing. We are talking about private property that he rightly paid for. If they want to preserve it they should buy it from Jobs. Then they can do what ever they want with it.
I think the person was just humorously and delicately pointing out that your premise was faulty.
You don't, nor did you ever, have the right to "do what you want with your own property" in the USA or any other modern/western country that I ever heard of.
For a brief period of it's history, and in the "Wild West" only, *some* Americans had these kinds of rights over their land. However, this was engendered by the rather unusual situation of having a whole continent to rape and pillage and a desire to bend the established laws so as to encourage people to occupy that land.
Most of the time, there is no "right to property" or a "right to do what you want" with your own property. It just doesn't exist.
I just love these people who think it is there mission to tell you what you can and can not do with your property. Another example of others dictating what they think is important. It is his damn property let him do with it as he likes
Then you would have no objection to the guy next door to you raising pigs or dumping toxic waste in his back yard?
1. The house is NOT on the National Registry of Historic Places, (Even if it were, that does not give it protected status)
2. The house is not famous because of the previous owner, it is famous because the architect is "notable" in that area, the design is "Spanish Revival" built in 1925, they claim the style defines the area even though the adjacent buildings are English Tudor, Post Modern, and Greek Revival.
3. Jobs went through the proper channels obtaining a demolition permit, so zoning has already been approved for removal.
4. There have been "offers" to move the building, but none of them were serious, one instance wanted Jobs to provide 15 million of the cost to move it (while the person moving it pays 1 million), another wanted him to guarantee financing to move it. They claim he can declare it on his taxes....so what, that doesn't mean he recoups all the cost.
5. The building, if restored woud have to meet the new California energy laws and other building codes that are in place, including upgrading ALL of the structure to meet the current earthquake codes. This is a 17,000 square foot building. No one has put a number on that yet.
I think the person was just humorously and delicately pointing out that your premise was faulty.
You don't, nor did you ever, have the right to "do what you want with your own property" in the USA or any other modern/western country that I ever heard of.
For a brief period of it's history, and in the "Wild West" only, *some* Americans had these kinds of rights over their land. However, this was engendered by the rather unusual situation of having a whole continent to rape and pillage and a desire to bend the established laws so as to encourage people to occupy that land.
Most of the time, there is no "right to property" or a "right to do what you want" with your own property. It just doesn't exist.
And you live where?
There are plenty of places in the USA that you can do any damn thing you want with your land except create a nuclear waste dump. And I am sure all you need to do to obtain that is grease the right palms.
Don't most historic preservation rules apply only to the exterior of buildings? In which case there would be little justification for preserving what really looks, from the outside, like a cheap motel. IMNSHO.
Ironically, were Jobs allowed to replace that white elephant with the house of his dreams, Woodside would likely end up with an architectural/environmental marvel. But nooooo...
The problem with Jobs, one of the many problems, is that Jobs is so used to get his way at Apple or with the S.E.C. that he believes that he can do as he pleases.
If you buy a historic mansion, you have to pay for the upkeep, maintenance and repairs. And if you don't want to do so, don't buy it!
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I hope that movie wasn't a rental.
well played sir
Alan Kay will take that pipe organ (I believe that's still his only professional affiliation).
There are plenty of people who would and could rehab that place. Steve just isn't one of them.
As for Plan B, good luck disassembling and reassembling a stucco / plaster house. I've lived in two. Close the door too hard and things fall off them.
If it were up to me, I'd restore it, but not for the purpose of preserving its history. I just think it's an awesome house!
I fully agree. But if he wants to throw it down, I wouldn't care. It doesn't look THAT important. Still, looks very cool! Reminds me of the house in Sunset Blvd. (the 1950's movie) for some reason.
A couple of years ago, photographer Jonathan Haeber stumbled upon the Jackling house to find its property gate ajar and the doors and broken windows to the house wide open.
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Not EVEN remotely the same thing. We are talking about private property that he rightly paid for. If they want to preserve it they should buy it from Jobs. Then they can do what ever they want with it.
I think the person was just humorously and delicately pointing out that your premise was faulty.
You don't, nor did you ever, have the right to "do what you want with your own property" in the USA or any other modern/western country that I ever heard of.
For a brief period of it's history, and in the "Wild West" only, *some* Americans had these kinds of rights over their land. However, this was engendered by the rather unusual situation of having a whole continent to rape and pillage and a desire to bend the established laws so as to encourage people to occupy that land.
Most of the time, there is no "right to property" or a "right to do what you want" with your own property. It just doesn't exist.
I just love these people who think it is there mission to tell you what you can and can not do with your property. Another example of others dictating what they think is important. It is his damn property let him do with it as he likes
Then you would have no objection to the guy next door to you raising pigs or dumping toxic waste in his back yard?
After all, it's his property, right?
/Mikael
Then you would have no objection to the guy next door to you raising pigs or dumping toxic waste in his back yard?
After all, it's his property, right?
I'm pretty sure dumping toxic waste is against the law. Raising pigs would probably depend on the zoning.
And who knows, he might get TARP funds to do it with!
Like Apple telling you not to jailbreak your iPhone?
That's screwed up dude!
Yah, and while we are at it, we should be able to put our parents down when they get too old.
Agreed.
2. The house is not famous because of the previous owner, it is famous because the architect is "notable" in that area, the design is "Spanish Revival" built in 1925, they claim the style defines the area even though the adjacent buildings are English Tudor, Post Modern, and Greek Revival.
3. Jobs went through the proper channels obtaining a demolition permit, so zoning has already been approved for removal.
4. There have been "offers" to move the building, but none of them were serious, one instance wanted Jobs to provide 15 million of the cost to move it (while the person moving it pays 1 million), another wanted him to guarantee financing to move it. They claim he can declare it on his taxes....so what, that doesn't mean he recoups all the cost.
5. The building, if restored woud have to meet the new California energy laws and other building codes that are in place, including upgrading ALL of the structure to meet the current earthquake codes. This is a 17,000 square foot building. No one has put a number on that yet.
I'm pretty sure dumping toxic waste is against the law. Raising pigs would probably depend on the zoning.
My point is, "so what"? It's the guy next door's property. Why would/should Maestro be concerned?
I think the person was just humorously and delicately pointing out that your premise was faulty.
You don't, nor did you ever, have the right to "do what you want with your own property" in the USA or any other modern/western country that I ever heard of.
For a brief period of it's history, and in the "Wild West" only, *some* Americans had these kinds of rights over their land. However, this was engendered by the rather unusual situation of having a whole continent to rape and pillage and a desire to bend the established laws so as to encourage people to occupy that land.
Most of the time, there is no "right to property" or a "right to do what you want" with your own property. It just doesn't exist.
And you live where?
There are plenty of places in the USA that you can do any damn thing you want with your land except create a nuclear waste dump. And I am sure all you need to do to obtain that is grease the right palms.
Ironically, were Jobs allowed to replace that white elephant with the house of his dreams, Woodside would likely end up with an architectural/environmental marvel. But nooooo...
The problem with Jobs, one of the many problems, is that Jobs is so used to get his way at Apple or with the S.E.C. that he believes that he can do as he pleases.
If you buy a historic mansion, you have to pay for the upkeep, maintenance and repairs. And if you don't want to do so, don't buy it!
Right. Tearing down an old house equates forced euthanasia.
That house might be alive now.