[quote] But there's still a problem. There is no "window". See my screenshot.<hr></blockquote>
I had the same problem. You just need to run Quartz window manager with
% quartz-wm
make sure /usr/X11R6/bin/ is in your path. If you do a custom install you can have it install the apple configuration and overwrite any of the old stuff you have from XDarwin etc...
<strong>Ah, I just kinda wanted to see what it's like, for fun. I am guessing it's a bit like WannaBe?
BTW, when I type in any address, it says "Lynx: command not found."</strong><hr></blockquote>
first, commands on the cli are case-sensitive. so, try lower-case 'lynx'. if that doesn't work, it means either you didn't install it correctly, or it isn't in your path. if you got it from fink, make sure that 'source /sw/bin/init.csh' is in your ~/.tcshrc (or ~/.cshrc). if it still doesn't work, type "echo $PATH", to see your path. if you installed lynx manually, it is probably in /usr/local/bin. (you can verify by doing 'ls /usr/local/bin/lynx') you can add '/usr/local/bin' to your path by typing:
<strong>(1) Can we run simultaneously Apple's X11 and XDarwin?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
yes. you have to change XDarwin's DISPLAY variable to something other than zero (0) though. [it might be possible to instead change apple's x11 var to something other than 0, the point being they can't be on the same DISPLAY variable]. that requires you to go into XDarwin's prefs, which means XDarwin has to be running, so you have to temporarily turn down Apple's X11. I changed XDarwin to fullscreen, and DISPLAY '1'. After chaning the DISPLAY variable, you have to re-start XDarwin, so the prefs take effect.
So, if I want windows to be mixed with aqua, i send them to DISPLAY :0.0, and if i want them behind the scenes, in x11-land, i send them to ':1.0" [i don't think the decimal places are actually necessary, but they are fun].
Installed X11 and then Installed OpenOffice 1.0.1 Beta
It works but the applescript to launch openoffice asks for XDarwin.app. How can i edit it to instead lunch X11 by default? I can choose X11 twice and it luanches but I would like to have it simply launch. This is cool so far. Very fast.
<strong>Installed X11 and then Installed OpenOffice 1.0.1 Beta
It works but the applescript to launch openoffice asks for XDarwin.app. How can i edit it to instead lunch X11 by default? I can choose X11 twice and it luanches but I would like to have it simply launch. This is cool so far. Very fast.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Figured it out. The Launcher is a package and you go into the contents:Resources:Scripts and edit the script there. It will ask you once more where XDarwin is and then you point it to X11 and it is fine. I saved the origional script in the OpenOffice folder and replaced it with the new script. Works great now.
If you set up your path correctly in Xterm you shouldn't have to enter "/sw/bin/binary" you can do this manually with "set path=($path /sw/bin /sw/sbin) in the Xterm window in Apple X11.
For those of you having window positioning problems in X11, I had a similar problem but deleteing my X11 prefs in the home folder (they are hidden with a . before the file name) allow Apple X11 to recreate my prefs and position the windows properly.
ok I know nothing about this...and I never use the terminal but I am interested in gimp and filmgimp...and I assume you need x11 to run them correct? if so is this easy to install if you're used to "the mac way"?
<strong>So why isn't Apple including fink with X11?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Because one is a window manager and the other is a software installer. You may as well ask, "Why doesn't Apple include Software Update with Aqua/Quartz?"
Comments
(1) Can we run simultaneously Apple's X11 and XDarwin?
(2) Is there the possibility in Apple's X11 to run in full screen mode instead of rootless, like XDarwin?
(3) What about virtual workspaces support?
Thanks,
PB
I had the same problem. You just need to run Quartz window manager with
% quartz-wm
make sure /usr/X11R6/bin/ is in your path. If you do a custom install you can have it install the apple configuration and overwrite any of the old stuff you have from XDarwin etc...
BTW: It looks just like Aqua and behaves the same. Genie effect and everything. And it is extremely responsive, as opposed to how slow XDarwin was.
<strong>Ah, I just kinda wanted to see what it's like, for fun. I am guessing it's a bit like WannaBe?
BTW, when I type in any address, it says "Lynx: command not found."</strong><hr></blockquote>
first, commands on the cli are case-sensitive. so, try lower-case 'lynx'. if that doesn't work, it means either you didn't install it correctly, or it isn't in your path. if you got it from fink, make sure that 'source /sw/bin/init.csh' is in your ~/.tcshrc (or ~/.cshrc). if it still doesn't work, type "echo $PATH", to see your path. if you installed lynx manually, it is probably in /usr/local/bin. (you can verify by doing 'ls /usr/local/bin/lynx') you can add '/usr/local/bin' to your path by typing:
[code]setenv PATH "/usr/local/bin:$PATH";</pre><hr></blockquote>
you can also put that in your .tcshrc (or .cshrc), to keep it in your path permanently.
<strong>(1) Can we run simultaneously Apple's X11 and XDarwin?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
yes. you have to change XDarwin's DISPLAY variable to something other than zero (0) though. [it might be possible to instead change apple's x11 var to something other than 0, the point being they can't be on the same DISPLAY variable]. that requires you to go into XDarwin's prefs, which means XDarwin has to be running, so you have to temporarily turn down Apple's X11. I changed XDarwin to fullscreen, and DISPLAY '1'. After chaning the DISPLAY variable, you have to re-start XDarwin, so the prefs take effect.
So, if I want windows to be mixed with aqua, i send them to DISPLAY :0.0, and if i want them behind the scenes, in x11-land, i send them to ':1.0" [i don't think the decimal places are actually necessary, but they are fun].
[ 01-08-2003: Message edited by: thuh Freak ]</p>
I'm a newbie after all (and not the sharpest tool in the barn according
to my father).
It seems to me that these people are "giving away" OSX, win95 and
Office? <a href="http://OpenOSX.com/wintel/index.html"; target="_blank">http://OpenOSX.com/wintel/index.html</a>;
I admit that I'm a newbie when it comes to all these openthis and openthatWares.
But I would be happy if someone who is more familiar with these things
could go and check it out and give somekind of an explanation about this site
and the applications and possibly system and hardware requierements.
[ 01-08-2003: Message edited by: Spiffster ]</p>
<strong>
It seems to me that these people are "giving away" OSX, win95 and
Office?
</strong>
<hr></blockquote>
Not really. They are offering an open source 386 emulator, kind of like Virtual PC.
You still need a licence for Windows and the Office they are talking about is OpenOffice: the free, open source alternative to MS Office.
If you are a newbie there is nothing here to interest you, and if there was you could download it for free as it is all open source anyway.
I just wish Fink would be updated to support it
Currently for Fink to work you need to have XDarwin or XTools installed in addition to OSX-X11.
And to run Fink-installed programs in OSX-X11, you need to type in the command field "/sw/bin/<binary><options>"
Oh well. It is still flying fast.
Barto
It works but the applescript to launch openoffice asks for XDarwin.app. How can i edit it to instead lunch X11 by default? I can choose X11 twice and it luanches but I would like to have it simply launch. This is cool so far. Very fast.
<strong>Installed X11 and then Installed OpenOffice 1.0.1 Beta
It works but the applescript to launch openoffice asks for XDarwin.app. How can i edit it to instead lunch X11 by default? I can choose X11 twice and it luanches but I would like to have it simply launch. This is cool so far. Very fast.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Figured it out. The Launcher is a package and you go into the contents:Resources:Scripts and edit the script there. It will ask you once more where XDarwin is and then you point it to X11 and it is fine. I saved the origional script in the OpenOffice folder and replaced it with the new script. Works great now.
<strong>Okay, OSX-X11 rocks hard.
I just wish Fink would be updated to support it
Currently for Fink to work you need to have XDarwin or XTools installed in addition to OSX-X11.
And to run Fink-installed programs in OSX-X11, you need to type in the command field "/sw/bin/<binary><options>"
Oh well. It is still flying fast.
Barto</strong><hr></blockquote>
You can set up Fink to work with it. The instructions are on Finks website. <a href="http://fink.sourceforge.net/"; target="_blank">http://fink.sourceforge.net/</a>;
If you set up your path correctly in Xterm you shouldn't have to enter "/sw/bin/binary" you can do this manually with "set path=($path /sw/bin /sw/sbin) in the Xterm window in Apple X11.
For those of you having window positioning problems in X11, I had a similar problem but deleteing my X11 prefs in the home folder (they are hidden with a . before the file name) allow Apple X11 to recreate my prefs and position the windows properly.
Edit: Fixing a spelling mistake.
[ 01-08-2003: Message edited by: Quarem ]</p>
mmmmmmm gimp
But anyway...I think I found a bug.
If you minimize the xterm and then quit X11, the xterm window stays in the dock but you can't maximize it or get rid of it...hmmmm
Now what? How do I start Gimp?
Anyway, once Fink is installed you just open the terminal and type "fink install <application>".
Then it does it all for you.
A word of warning: While fink applications run using OSX-X11, you need to install the official XFree86 for Mac OS X first.
Barto
<strong>So why isn't Apple including fink with X11?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Probably because Apple does not own rights to Fink...
<strong>So why isn't Apple including fink with X11?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Because one is a window manager and the other is a software installer. You may as well ask, "Why doesn't Apple include Software Update with Aqua/Quartz?"