I undersand that all members of the elite fraturnity of WWDC cant discuss leopard, but if there is one out there willing to break that rule, I would love to know the one thing that these videos really do not show: is it faster? did all the code tweaks make a killer difference? a $129 difference?
I must say, from the videos and the blurbs on apple.com, I owuldnt pay more than $20 for it...what is there that makes it worth it?
Guys... do you think Apple would start changing the look of apps randomly?
I guess (and hope) this is part of the new UI look...
They would not be 'starting' to do this. They randomly changed the Finder to brushed metal in Panther; randomly changed Mail and a few others to something in-between and inconsistent in Panther; randomly changed the scrollbars in iTunes and then a few other iApps; just randomly changed Safari to a brand new ugly-tabs-on-top interface; randomly completely changed the Dock in Leopard.
Personally I was more hoping that they had gotten over it, but instead maybe it's just starting all over again.
They would not be 'starting' to do this. They randomly changed the Finder to brushed metal in Panther; randomly changed Mail and a few others to something in-between and inconsistent in Panther; randomly changed the scrollbars in iTunes and then a few other iApps; just randomly changed Safari to a brand new ugly-tabs-on-top interface; randomly completely changed the Dock in Leopard.
Personally I was more hoping that they had gotten over it, but instead maybe it's just starting all over again.
That has been a long standing annoying habit for a company that prides itself on the little details and uniformity of how the OS functions. It?s purely superficial but it would be nice to have it consistent.
I think that this new WTX look is very similar to the way the OS will look come next month. With their Mac displays almost all having a glass display with a nice black rim I think the screen will look quite stylish with this new border and richer icons for the Dock.
They would not be 'starting' to do this. They randomly changed the Finder to brushed metal in Panther; randomly changed Mail and a few others to something in-between and inconsistent in Panther; randomly changed the scrollbars in iTunes and then a few other iApps; just randomly changed Safari to a brand new ugly-tabs-on-top interface; randomly completely changed the Dock in Leopard.
Personally I was more hoping that they had gotten over it, but instead maybe it's just starting all over again.
It's possible it may be starting all over again but it is hard for me to believe that you would be redesigning an OS and the first major redesign of an app is to make it look out of place. I would think is better than that. I wouldn't expect black all over the place but enough to darken the theme up a little to match ilife and the new hardware.
Good point about the black matching the black rims on the new Macs.
Interestingly, wasn't QuickTime the first thing to break the mould and go all ugly and brushed metal back in OS 9, followed by the release of iTunes?
Except that the aluminum iMacs with black-rimmed displays debuted with Tiger. When Leopard shipped later on, it mimicked those iMacs.
I'm not saying Apple couldn't still do it, but that aforementioned logic doesn't seem to work.
Here's basically what such a change might look like:
You can produce it yourself with command-option-ctrl-8.
I wouldn't hold your breath for title bars to go the QuickTime X route though, as most have buttons right beneath them. Coloring the top of the window black or the whole thing black would look pretty garish (and Windows Media Player 11ish).
But I have to say, I'm not totally against the inverted Menu Bar. It would match the iPhone's Menu Bar:
Except that the aluminum iMacs with black-rimmed displays debuted with Tiger. When Leopard shipped later on, it mimicked those iMacs.
I'm not saying Apple couldn't still do it, but that aforementioned logic doesn't seem to work.
Here's basically what such a change might look like:
You can produce it yourself with command-option-ctrl-8.
I wouldn't hold your breath for title bars to go the QuickTime X route though, as most have buttons right beneath them. Coloring the top of the window black or the whole thing black would look pretty garish (and Windows Media Player 11ish).
But I have to say, I'm not totally against the inverted Menu Bar. It would match the iPhone's Menu Bar:
I would only want the menu bar also otherwise it would be overdone.
Except that the aluminum iMacs with black-rimmed displays debuted with Tiger. When Leopard shipped later on, it mimicked those iMacs.
I'm not saying Apple couldn't still do it, but that aforementioned logic doesn't seem to work.
Here's basically what such a change might look like:
You can produce it yourself with command-option-ctrl-8.
I wouldn't hold your breath for title bars to go the QuickTime X route though, as most have buttons right beneath them. Coloring the top of the window black or the whole thing black would look pretty garish (and Windows Media Player 11ish).
But I have to say, I'm not totally against the inverted Menu Bar. It would match the iPhone's Menu Bar:
I think you're right. I would like to see a deeper GUI interface overlap between OS X and iPhone OS X. That means more black glass and black bars. I hope the aqua bars go away for the translucent black scroll bars on the iPhone.
I think you're right. I would like to see a deeper GUI interface overlap between OS X and iPhone OS X. That means more black glass and black bars. I hope the aqua bars go away for the translucent black scroll bars on the iPhone.
At the very least I want iTunes matte scroll bars, but yes, the iPhone's disappearing scroll bars would be ideal. They've already been implemented into Snow Leopard's new handling of Stacks navigation, so at least there's a precedent, right?
What's interesting is that the iPhone now has Aqua-like elements, namely in MobileSafari, which has Safari 3's inline loading bar. Perhaps Apple will develop a new way to show loading other than Safari 4's spinner.
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i really hope the entire OS theme gets switched to match QT. looks great and fits better with everything from apple recently.
But how many applications have simple title bars like QuickTime? Most have button bars right below them. I don't see SL going the Vista-black-Areo "Look Ma! Transparent EVERYTHING!" interface. Most changes to Mac OS X's UI are gradual and subtle. Apple hasn't been moving towards black title bars, they've been moving toward subdued title+button bars.
To suddenly paint all app title+button bars black would be both drastic and it would make the whole Mac experience pretty gloomy. Most iPhone apps don't employ a black theme unless it makes sense: video playing.
disappearing scoll bars dissaperead in the latest build. Now it's dark grey plain bar (and not disppearing). I'll post a shot later.
Bah! Well, still looking forward to your screenshot.
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For Safari 4, there is a spinner but check the original thread linked on the article and you'll see that Safari 4 got a "Loading" icone (dark glass blue).
I saw that, though it was black glass. Maybe they could make it fill up like a load bar. It would be a nice compromise between spinners and the old Safari 3 loading bar within the web address field.
I undersand that all members of the elite fraturnity of WWDC cant discuss leopard, but if there is one out there willing to break that rule, I would love to know the one thing that these videos really do not show: is it faster? did all the code tweaks make a killer difference? a $129 difference?
I must say, from the videos and the blurbs on apple.com, I owuldnt pay more than $20 for it...what is there that makes it worth it?
I am not an ADC Select Member, but occasionally sit next to one, and had a quick run through of SL with them the other day.
I can tell you that the entire system (even in the current debug state) is very snappy - especially Finder, which really shows they have re-written in Cocoa.
I think the performance (even running 10.5 apps) is a big selling point - although I am sure an interface change will be on the horizon, as it looks just too similar for the average user to see anything different.
Oh, and the font in Terminal is now anti-aliased... finally
I for one, would upgrade for sure, no 'killer feature' that we can see so far I'll admit, but it is the attention to detail and refinement of an already brilliant OS which makes it worthwhile for me.
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I must say, from the videos and the blurbs on apple.com, I owuldnt pay more than $20 for it...what is there that makes it worth it?
Guys... do you think Apple would start changing the look of apps randomly?
I guess (and hope) this is part of the new UI look...
They would not be 'starting' to do this. They randomly changed the Finder to brushed metal in Panther; randomly changed Mail and a few others to something in-between and inconsistent in Panther; randomly changed the scrollbars in iTunes and then a few other iApps; just randomly changed Safari to a brand new ugly-tabs-on-top interface; randomly completely changed the Dock in Leopard.
Personally I was more hoping that they had gotten over it, but instead maybe it's just starting all over again.
They would not be 'starting' to do this. They randomly changed the Finder to brushed metal in Panther; randomly changed Mail and a few others to something in-between and inconsistent in Panther; randomly changed the scrollbars in iTunes and then a few other iApps; just randomly changed Safari to a brand new ugly-tabs-on-top interface; randomly completely changed the Dock in Leopard.
Personally I was more hoping that they had gotten over it, but instead maybe it's just starting all over again.
That has been a long standing annoying habit for a company that prides itself on the little details and uniformity of how the OS functions. It?s purely superficial but it would be nice to have it consistent.
I think that this new WTX look is very similar to the way the OS will look come next month. With their Mac displays almost all having a glass display with a nice black rim I think the screen will look quite stylish with this new border and richer icons for the Dock.
They would not be 'starting' to do this. They randomly changed the Finder to brushed metal in Panther; randomly changed Mail and a few others to something in-between and inconsistent in Panther; randomly changed the scrollbars in iTunes and then a few other iApps; just randomly changed Safari to a brand new ugly-tabs-on-top interface; randomly completely changed the Dock in Leopard.
Personally I was more hoping that they had gotten over it, but instead maybe it's just starting all over again.
It's possible it may be starting all over again but it is hard for me to believe that you would be redesigning an OS and the first major redesign of an app is to make it look out of place. I would think is better than that. I wouldn't expect black all over the place but enough to darken the theme up a little to match ilife and the new hardware.
Interestingly, wasn't QuickTime the first thing to break the mould and go all ugly and brushed metal back in OS 9, followed by the release of iTunes?
Good point about the black matching the black rims on the new Macs.
Interestingly, wasn't QuickTime the first thing to break the mould and go all ugly and brushed metal back in OS 9, followed by the release of iTunes?
Except that the aluminum iMacs with black-rimmed displays debuted with Tiger. When Leopard shipped later on, it mimicked those iMacs.
I'm not saying Apple couldn't still do it, but that aforementioned logic doesn't seem to work.
Here's basically what such a change might look like:
You can produce it yourself with command-option-ctrl-8.
I wouldn't hold your breath for title bars to go the QuickTime X route though, as most have buttons right beneath them. Coloring the top of the window black or the whole thing black would look pretty garish (and Windows Media Player 11ish).
But I have to say, I'm not totally against the inverted Menu Bar. It would match the iPhone's Menu Bar:
Except that the aluminum iMacs with black-rimmed displays debuted with Tiger. When Leopard shipped later on, it mimicked those iMacs.
I'm not saying Apple couldn't still do it, but that aforementioned logic doesn't seem to work.
Here's basically what such a change might look like:
You can produce it yourself with command-option-ctrl-8.
I wouldn't hold your breath for title bars to go the QuickTime X route though, as most have buttons right beneath them. Coloring the top of the window black or the whole thing black would look pretty garish (and Windows Media Player 11ish).
But I have to say, I'm not totally against the inverted Menu Bar. It would match the iPhone's Menu Bar:
I would only want the menu bar also otherwise it would be overdone.
Except that the aluminum iMacs with black-rimmed displays debuted with Tiger. When Leopard shipped later on, it mimicked those iMacs.
I'm not saying Apple couldn't still do it, but that aforementioned logic doesn't seem to work.
Here's basically what such a change might look like:
You can produce it yourself with command-option-ctrl-8.
I wouldn't hold your breath for title bars to go the QuickTime X route though, as most have buttons right beneath them. Coloring the top of the window black or the whole thing black would look pretty garish (and Windows Media Player 11ish).
But I have to say, I'm not totally against the inverted Menu Bar. It would match the iPhone's Menu Bar:
I think you're right. I would like to see a deeper GUI interface overlap between OS X and iPhone OS X. That means more black glass and black bars. I hope the aqua bars go away for the translucent black scroll bars on the iPhone.
I think you're right. I would like to see a deeper GUI interface overlap between OS X and iPhone OS X. That means more black glass and black bars. I hope the aqua bars go away for the translucent black scroll bars on the iPhone.
At the very least I want iTunes matte scroll bars, but yes, the iPhone's disappearing scroll bars would be ideal. They've already been implemented into Snow Leopard's new handling of Stacks navigation, so at least there's a precedent, right?
What's interesting is that the iPhone now has Aqua-like elements, namely in MobileSafari, which has Safari 3's inline loading bar. Perhaps Apple will develop a new way to show loading other than Safari 4's spinner.
i really hope the entire OS theme gets switched to match QT. looks great and fits better with everything from apple recently.
But how many applications have simple title bars like QuickTime? Most have button bars right below them. I don't see SL going the Vista-black-Areo "Look Ma! Transparent EVERYTHING!" interface. Most changes to Mac OS X's UI are gradual and subtle. Apple hasn't been moving towards black title bars, they've been moving toward subdued title+button bars.
To suddenly paint all app title+button bars black would be both drastic and it would make the whole Mac experience pretty gloomy. Most iPhone apps don't employ a black theme unless it makes sense: video playing.
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disappearing scoll bars dissaperead in the latest build. Now it's dark grey plain bar (and not disppearing). I'll post a shot later.
Bah! Well, still looking forward to your screenshot.
For Safari 4, there is a spinner but check the original thread linked on the article and you'll see that Safari 4 got a "Loading" icone (dark glass blue).
I saw that, though it was black glass. Maybe they could make it fill up like a load bar. It would be a nice compromise between spinners and the old Safari 3 loading bar within the web address field.
a lot of things will be different in comparison to beta. Like with 10.5.
Believe, Apple has a lot of different schemes,
and have a lot of time to choose the best as default.
...yawn...
I undersand that all members of the elite fraturnity of WWDC cant discuss leopard, but if there is one out there willing to break that rule, I would love to know the one thing that these videos really do not show: is it faster? did all the code tweaks make a killer difference? a $129 difference?
I must say, from the videos and the blurbs on apple.com, I owuldnt pay more than $20 for it...what is there that makes it worth it?
I am not an ADC Select Member, but occasionally sit next to one, and had a quick run through of SL with them the other day.
I can tell you that the entire system (even in the current debug state) is very snappy - especially Finder, which really shows they have re-written in Cocoa.
I think the performance (even running 10.5 apps) is a big selling point - although I am sure an interface change will be on the horizon, as it looks just too similar for the average user to see anything different.
Oh, and the font in Terminal is now anti-aliased... finally
I for one, would upgrade for sure, no 'killer feature' that we can see so far I'll admit, but it is the attention to detail and refinement of an already brilliant OS which makes it worthwhile for me.
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Note to people making videos: Leave your crappy songs out of it. Nobody wants to hear them.
Ha. Agreed!