Too many Kindle books have charts and graphs, and the magazines and Newspapers need a larger platform than the iPhone Kindle app. Apple can just update, resize and reissue the iBook! Whatever form or software it is, if Steve has his input, it will be greater than great!
As cool as it would be, I still don’t see a consumer market for a dedicated tablet Mac.
You never see a market for anytjhing that Apple doesn't have right here, right now. You saw no market for MMS, MMS pics, video, etc. etc. and yet it's now coming. Most likely the same for camera in the Touch. Again and again anything and everything that is not currently available yet desired by any poster from Apple you label as a complaint.
Not in the case!!! Two thousand and friggin ten!!! They are taking too long and I hope the competition beats them to the punch and teaches Apple what happens if they miss a window of opportunity. Let me copy my post to alleyinsider about this which conveys my feelings on this topic:
from alleyinsider.com
Now let me go get a bagel with peanut butter....calm down....then return to this thread to rant some more.
Too bad you're basing all of this crap on things that don't exist and may never exist. The Tablet market has been out for a while and never has really shown any strength. Maybe Apple can change that, or maybe not.
However...
I don't think it matters whether or not Apple is the first. Apple really hasn't been the first to do much lately and it still comes out on top eventually. If Apple does it better than everyone else it doesn't matter when they release it.
I don't see much truth in that. I see conspiracy, but no truth in the matter at all. I can't see how Leopard can be late. Yes, they pushed it back ONCE to get the iPhone out the door. Since then there's no evidence to the iPhone OS hindering Leopard. These are 2 separate teams.
MobileMe was just the wrong time to roll it out. Absolutely have NOTHING to do with the iPhone. Its great how you can take everything wrong and blame it on the iPhone.
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hmm, wonder how that would look, a single milled piece of aluminum, 6mm thick, all touchscreen. anyone want to make a mockup?
Do you EVER have anything nice to say about Apple?
He doesn't because he's a Troll and looking to start a flamewar. Thats his main purpose on these boards.
Anyway, first half of 2010 is misleading, perhaps purposely to throw off competitors. 2009 is the year to introduce this product. Could be summer or fall.
I don't think it matters whether or not Apple is the first. Apple really hasn't been the first to do much lately and it still comes out on top eventually. If Apple does it better than everyone else it doesn't matter when they release it.
He doesn't because he's a Troll and looking to start a flamewar. Thats his main purpose on these boards.
Anyway, first half of 2010 is misleading, perhaps purposely to throw off competitors. 2009 is the year to introduce this product. Could be summer or fall.
I said the exact same thing in my first post yet I'm the troll? Then what are you - Klingon Troll?
I'd like to see if it would sell, it may fall into the "Cube" or "Air" Category, great idea but cost to much. The reason people like the netbooks are because they are so cheap. I don't see people paying $200 more for Apple's version.
I think the assumption here is that you would thumb type on it. The iPhone in portrait mode is an excellent thumb typing device, if a bit cramped. The same keyboard 50% bigger would be an almost perfect set-up IMO.
On a 2.5"-wide device (in portrait, as you say) that works great. Now multiply that width about four times (to get a device with a 9" screen). How long are your thumbs, Virgil?! What makes you think a person with normal digits will be able to reach those mid-western letters like H and Y?
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Except that won't be any different from the iPhone and the iPod touch which are both selling rather well right now and which people seem to love.
Ah yes, the iPhone defense. Both because the device probably wouldn't handle it and because Steve Jobs hates it, Flash is not an option. I'll follow you on that. But the iPhone is, by definition, not a computer. How far can you stretch that? You're saying that a tablet with a decent screen and processor couldn't handle it, either? Don't get me wrong, I'm no Flash apologist - I've spent years programming with it and hate it just as thoroughly as Steve does. But that doesn't mean it isn't widely used throughout the internets, and something worth supporting (at least until we get a better option, but that doesn't change my argument that you're giving up all rollover functions).
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Here you are missing the obvious. Mac users already have those options.
I'm a Mac user and I have MobileMe and a Time Capsule at home. I can access all my data through BackToMyMac whether it's in the cloud or on any of my computers or my networked hard drives, no matter where the computers are, from anywhere in the world. Already. Today.
I can admit when I'm wrong, and concede on this point.
But I still maintain: What can a tablet do that a thin netbook can't? More importantly, what's the advantage of giving up the keyboard and mouse?
I see it. Sofa device, digital picture frame, e-reader, video-chat, etc. Wireless keyboard for business travel.... Mount it in vehicles. Kitchen counter. It fits many places where a laptop is awkward. I guarantee you SJ hates using a hinged laptop, because of the hinge.
I thought the Kindle would flop. This adds so much to the Kindle, which according to certain stats* must be selling well. At least Kindle users are buying tons of books.
I see your point, those are currently consumer uses but I think the price would be too high to warrant the expense for many users. It seems that this device is only supplementary to a main computer. I think an Apple-branded netbook (though they'd never call it that) would get considerably more sales.
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You never see a market for anytjhing that Apple doesn't have right here, right now. You saw no market for MMS, MMS pics, video, etc. etc. and yet it's now coming. Most likely the same for camera in the Touch. Again and again anything and everything that is not currently available yet desired by any poster from Apple you label as a complaint.
Your mantra is so tired.
There was a well establishe market for SMS and MMS long before the iPhone. I don't like the carrier racket for charging so much for such little data. I think it's an ogilopogy and hope that the senator looking into it still is. Not liking a something is not the same as there not being a market. Of course, if you understand that they would constantly call Apple "teh doomed" when a product doesn't fit your needs.
PS: MMS is in v3.0, I've tested it and I will still say that SMS and MMS are an industry-wide tipoff. How 'bout them apples?
OPS: I have to follow Digitalclip, back to the ignore list with you. Why you haven't booted from this forum is beyond me.
I think this booger may have a market. I'll buy one. I'm sorry it'll take so long for it to arrive. It'll be an ideal traveling companion. Why? I'll welcome the larger screen, over my iPod Touch, simply because it'll be easier to read web screens and email (for an old fart like me) on a little larger screen. It'll be a little easier to diddle a sort of larger finger/keyboard. Usability. I don't care about fifty-eleven apps running at once. Just the simple ability to see ONE, more easily. [And don't feed me yer guff about a MacBook Air or a teensy MacBook: not in the same league.]
There was a well establishe market for SMS and MMS long before the iPhone. I don't like the carrier racket for charging so much for such little data. I think it's an ogilopogy and hope that the senator looking into it still is. Not liking a something is not the same as there not being a market.
Right- and do you also suffer amnesia and not remember when you said nobody wants or needs a 7- 11inch form factor whatever because thin as in MacBookAir was only what we need?
I like the way you constantly re-write your posts and distort others. You specifically said Apple would never give or want MMS or SMS to the iPhone because emailing was the wave of the future for phones. Got proved wrong- didn't you? You are so full of bullsheet with your distortions.
On a 2.5"-wide device (in portrait, as you say) that works great. Now multiply that width about four times (to get a device with a 9" screen). How long are your thumbs, Virgil?! What makes you think a person with normal digits will be able to reach those mid-western letters like H and Y?
Virgil has huge long thumbs.
Well, no. But the device is likely to be 6x9 or maybe 5x8 inches so if the later, it's no wider than the iPhone is tall, making the thumb board basically the same size as when in landscape mode, but this is all speculation and we don't really know. there is also some speculation that Apple might use that infra-red tech they patented wherein the tablet can detect your hands hovering over it. This opens up a lot more possibilities but it's a bit sci-fi at this stage and might not happen.
I'd say you're right about the Flash roll-over problem (should have said that last post i guess), but I don't think Flash will be around for much longer, so it's basically a moot point to even talk about Flash right now IMO.
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... What can a tablet do that a thin netbook can't? More importantly, what's the advantage of giving up the keyboard and mouse?
I guess it's just what you're used to in this regard. Personally, I've been waiting my whole life for the sort of electronic clipboard/tablet I first saw on Star Trek in 1964. The tablet PC is kind of a holy grail for a large segment of the population despite the idea never having really worked yet. Fingers replaces the mouse and keyboard quite well on the iPhone, so I see no reason why they can't do so on a tablet.
I have a 12" PowerBook, (which is the closest thing Apple has ever made to a netbook), and I have to say that writing a document on the iPhone is not that much worse than using the keyboard on the laptop. the point is that anything smaller than that and it's just not that useful to type on. I'm thinking that if the iPhone thumb typing thing was larger, that the number of mis-keys would drop and that the typing speed would be basically equivalent to typing on a sub-sized regular keyboard with all fingers (netbooks).
I have my doubts that the tablet will be able to replace simple drawing however, so in that sense the cocktail napkin and sharpie still rule, but we shall see what they announce.
Does it really make sense for Apple to develop yet another operating system? Unless it's going be the same iphone OS with added resolutions I just don't see them recouping the costs of development.
It's only the analysts that are "guessing" about the OS. That alone should discount this piece. I don't think Apple is going to go through the effort to re-invent the wheel. OSX and the iPhone-variant of OSX will probably be used in some form. It might even be the iPhone OS just more "unlocked" with the ability to do true multitasking even from 3rd party apps. It will be interesting.
You are just being an idiot and a troll for, again, not admitting that you didn?t think through your negative response before replying. You can use multiple apps at once on the iPhone and Touch, but since it is a 3.5? screen you can?t have side-by-side app windows like you would on a desktop. They use overlays, I use it or my headphones (the ones you said won?t work with the iPhone) to control the iPod app when doing anything else on the device, for example.
Teckstud is just getting all wound-up with frustration. Will someone please send him the updated Victoria's Secret catalog? That should keep him occupied (and silent) until he wears it out.
I'm all for people expressing their opinion, even it it runs contrary to my own. But his rants and whiningly remarks aren't even opinions. It's his Gospel according to Teckstud. He's right, everyone else is wrong. He's has the reading and comprehension skills, everyone else needs to go back to school. If this guy has a job, it must be a lowly piece of employment where he is stepped on all the time or he has no serious social life at all which would explain his pent-up anger and abusive attitude with everyone. I would doubt he is like that in person because if he were, he'd be fired in an instant.
AI - You catching wind of this? Look at all the shrapnel Teckstud is leaving on the forums!
It's only the analysts that are "guessing" about the OS. That alone should discount this piece. I don't think Apple is going to go through the effort to re-invent the wheel. OSX and the iPhone-variant of OSX will probably be used in some form.
Combine the two and what do you get? That would be a modified OS- DUH?
Stick to your personal attacks- they only thing you're good for. And BTW your fey calls for help from AI et al are really scaring me dude (see below).
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Teckstud is just getting all wound-up with frustration. Will someone please send him the updated Victoria's Secret catalog? That should keep him occupied (and silent) until he wears it out.
AI - You catching wind of this? Look at all the shrapnel Teckstud is leaving on the forums
Personally, I've been waiting my whole life for the sort of electronic clipboard/tablet I first saw on Star Trek in 1964. The tablet PC is kind of a holy grail for a large segment of the population despite the idea never having really worked yet. Fingers replaces the mouse and keyboard quite well on the iPhone, so I see no reason why they can't do so on a tablet.
The truth is, I completely hear where you're coming from on this. I've looked at all the mockups, read all the articles, and I think a tablet computer would be super (nerdy) cool. The problem is that my personal history (and my closet) is littered with gadgets that I thought would be awesome, just to have them be collecting dust a month later.
I think this is similar to how PDAs never fared all that well. I owned a Cassiopia and an iPAQ (because I never learn my lesson the first time), but tossed them both fairly quickly. This is partly because they were useless, but also because I didn't want to have to carry around yet another device. I think the latest generation of smartphones are major winners because they combine PDA functionality with something you were carrying around anyway.
I guess I can just see myself buying one of these tablets, thinking it's really super cool for a week, then ultimately deciding that I can just as easily bring my laptop out with me if I'm going to need it and return the tablet.
Again, I've been wrong so many times in my life, this could be yet another time. I just see all this talk about tablets, and the most pragmatic part of me thinks, "Why?"
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Too many Kindle books have charts and graphs, and the magazines and Newspapers need a larger platform than the iPhone Kindle app. Apple can just update, resize and reissue the iBook! Whatever form or software it is, if Steve has his input, it will be greater than great!
As cool as it would be, I still don’t see a consumer market for a dedicated tablet Mac.
You never see a market for anytjhing that Apple doesn't have right here, right now. You saw no market for MMS, MMS pics, video, etc. etc. and yet it's now coming. Most likely the same for camera in the Touch. Again and again anything and everything that is not currently available yet desired by any poster from Apple you label as a complaint.
Your mantra is so tired.
Not in the case!!! Two thousand and friggin ten!!! They are taking too long and I hope the competition beats them to the punch and teaches Apple what happens if they miss a window of opportunity. Let me copy my post to alleyinsider about this which conveys my feelings on this topic:
from alleyinsider.com
Now let me go get a bagel with peanut butter....calm down....then return to this thread to rant some more.
Too bad you're basing all of this crap on things that don't exist and may never exist. The Tablet market has been out for a while and never has really shown any strength. Maybe Apple can change that, or maybe not.
However...
I don't think it matters whether or not Apple is the first. Apple really hasn't been the first to do much lately and it still comes out on top eventually. If Apple does it better than everyone else it doesn't matter when they release it.
That's two juvenile knobs added to the Ignore Heap (Techdud and Italianbaby).
Might I suggest other posters only do a 'quick reply' (if they really must respond) to the trolls on these boards so that they can be totally ignored.
I don't see much truth in that. I see conspiracy, but no truth in the matter at all. I can't see how Leopard can be late. Yes, they pushed it back ONCE to get the iPhone out the door. Since then there's no evidence to the iPhone OS hindering Leopard. These are 2 separate teams.
MobileMe was just the wrong time to roll it out. Absolutely have NOTHING to do with the iPhone. Its great how you can take everything wrong and blame it on the iPhone.
hmm, wonder how that would look, a single milled piece of aluminum, 6mm thick, all touchscreen. anyone want to make a mockup?
"all touchscreen"... on both sides?
Do you EVER have anything nice to say about Apple?
He doesn't because he's a Troll and looking to start a flamewar. Thats his main purpose on these boards.
Anyway, first half of 2010 is misleading, perhaps purposely to throw off competitors. 2009 is the year to introduce this product. Could be summer or fall.
I don't think it matters whether or not Apple is the first. Apple really hasn't been the first to do much lately and it still comes out on top eventually. If Apple does it better than everyone else it doesn't matter when they release it.
Do you type onehanded with Pom Poms in the other.
He doesn't because he's a Troll and looking to start a flamewar. Thats his main purpose on these boards.
Anyway, first half of 2010 is misleading, perhaps purposely to throw off competitors. 2009 is the year to introduce this product. Could be summer or fall.
I said the exact same thing in my first post yet I'm the troll? Then what are you - Klingon Troll?
I think the assumption here is that you would thumb type on it. The iPhone in portrait mode is an excellent thumb typing device, if a bit cramped. The same keyboard 50% bigger would be an almost perfect set-up IMO.
On a 2.5"-wide device (in portrait, as you say) that works great. Now multiply that width about four times (to get a device with a 9" screen). How long are your thumbs, Virgil?! What makes you think a person with normal digits will be able to reach those mid-western letters like H and Y?
Except that won't be any different from the iPhone and the iPod touch which are both selling rather well right now and which people seem to love.
Ah yes, the iPhone defense. Both because the device probably wouldn't handle it and because Steve Jobs hates it, Flash is not an option. I'll follow you on that. But the iPhone is, by definition, not a computer. How far can you stretch that? You're saying that a tablet with a decent screen and processor couldn't handle it, either? Don't get me wrong, I'm no Flash apologist - I've spent years programming with it and hate it just as thoroughly as Steve does. But that doesn't mean it isn't widely used throughout the internets, and something worth supporting (at least until we get a better option, but that doesn't change my argument that you're giving up all rollover functions).
Here you are missing the obvious. Mac users already have those options.
I'm a Mac user and I have MobileMe and a Time Capsule at home. I can access all my data through BackToMyMac whether it's in the cloud or on any of my computers or my networked hard drives, no matter where the computers are, from anywhere in the world. Already. Today.
I can admit when I'm wrong, and concede on this point.
But I still maintain: What can a tablet do that a thin netbook can't? More importantly, what's the advantage of giving up the keyboard and mouse?
I see it. Sofa device, digital picture frame, e-reader, video-chat, etc. Wireless keyboard for business travel.... Mount it in vehicles. Kitchen counter. It fits many places where a laptop is awkward. I guarantee you SJ hates using a hinged laptop, because of the hinge.
I thought the Kindle would flop. This adds so much to the Kindle, which according to certain stats* must be selling well. At least Kindle users are buying tons of books.
*NYT.com : 35 percent of sales of books that have a Kindle edition are sold in that format.
I see your point, those are currently consumer uses but I think the price would be too high to warrant the expense for many users. It seems that this device is only supplementary to a main computer. I think an Apple-branded netbook (though they'd never call it that) would get considerably more sales.
You never see a market for anytjhing that Apple doesn't have right here, right now. You saw no market for MMS, MMS pics, video, etc. etc. and yet it's now coming. Most likely the same for camera in the Touch. Again and again anything and everything that is not currently available yet desired by any poster from Apple you label as a complaint.
Your mantra is so tired.
There was a well establishe market for SMS and MMS long before the iPhone. I don't like the carrier racket for charging so much for such little data. I think it's an ogilopogy and hope that the senator looking into it still is. Not liking a something is not the same as there not being a market. Of course, if you understand that they would constantly call Apple "teh doomed" when a product doesn't fit your needs.
PS: MMS is in v3.0, I've tested it and I will still say that SMS and MMS are an industry-wide tipoff. How 'bout them apples?
OPS: I have to follow Digitalclip, back to the ignore list with you. Why you haven't booted from this forum is beyond me.
There was a well establishe market for SMS and MMS long before the iPhone. I don't like the carrier racket for charging so much for such little data. I think it's an ogilopogy and hope that the senator looking into it still is. Not liking a something is not the same as there not being a market.
Right- and do you also suffer amnesia and not remember when you said nobody wants or needs a 7- 11inch form factor whatever because thin as in MacBookAir was only what we need?
I like the way you constantly re-write your posts and distort others. You specifically said Apple would never give or want MMS or SMS to the iPhone because emailing was the wave of the future for phones. Got proved wrong- didn't you? You are so full of bullsheet with your distortions.
On a 2.5"-wide device (in portrait, as you say) that works great. Now multiply that width about four times (to get a device with a 9" screen). How long are your thumbs, Virgil?! What makes you think a person with normal digits will be able to reach those mid-western letters like H and Y?
Virgil has huge long thumbs.
Well, no. But the device is likely to be 6x9 or maybe 5x8 inches so if the later, it's no wider than the iPhone is tall, making the thumb board basically the same size as when in landscape mode, but this is all speculation and we don't really know. there is also some speculation that Apple might use that infra-red tech they patented wherein the tablet can detect your hands hovering over it. This opens up a lot more possibilities but it's a bit sci-fi at this stage and might not happen.
I'd say you're right about the Flash roll-over problem (should have said that last post i guess), but I don't think Flash will be around for much longer, so it's basically a moot point to even talk about Flash right now IMO.
... What can a tablet do that a thin netbook can't? More importantly, what's the advantage of giving up the keyboard and mouse?
I guess it's just what you're used to in this regard. Personally, I've been waiting my whole life for the sort of electronic clipboard/tablet I first saw on Star Trek in 1964. The tablet PC is kind of a holy grail for a large segment of the population despite the idea never having really worked yet. Fingers replaces the mouse and keyboard quite well on the iPhone, so I see no reason why they can't do so on a tablet.
I have a 12" PowerBook, (which is the closest thing Apple has ever made to a netbook), and I have to say that writing a document on the iPhone is not that much worse than using the keyboard on the laptop. the point is that anything smaller than that and it's just not that useful to type on. I'm thinking that if the iPhone thumb typing thing was larger, that the number of mis-keys would drop and that the typing speed would be basically equivalent to typing on a sub-sized regular keyboard with all fingers (netbooks).
I have my doubts that the tablet will be able to replace simple drawing however, so in that sense the cocktail napkin and sharpie still rule, but we shall see what they announce.
Personally, I've been waiting my whole life for the sort of electronic clipboard/tablet I first saw on Star Trek in 1964.
That would have been extremely difficult as the show started in 1966.
But then again what do I know being a troll and all.
Does it really make sense for Apple to develop yet another operating system? Unless it's going be the same iphone OS with added resolutions I just don't see them recouping the costs of development.
It's only the analysts that are "guessing" about the OS. That alone should discount this piece. I don't think Apple is going to go through the effort to re-invent the wheel. OSX and the iPhone-variant of OSX will probably be used in some form. It might even be the iPhone OS just more "unlocked" with the ability to do true multitasking even from 3rd party apps. It will be interesting.
You are just being an idiot and a troll for, again, not admitting that you didn?t think through your negative response before replying. You can use multiple apps at once on the iPhone and Touch, but since it is a 3.5? screen you can?t have side-by-side app windows like you would on a desktop. They use overlays, I use it or my headphones (the ones you said won?t work with the iPhone) to control the iPod app when doing anything else on the device, for example.
Teckstud is just getting all wound-up with frustration. Will someone please send him the updated Victoria's Secret catalog? That should keep him occupied (and silent) until he wears it out.
I'm all for people expressing their opinion, even it it runs contrary to my own. But his rants and whiningly remarks aren't even opinions. It's his Gospel according to Teckstud. He's right, everyone else is wrong. He's has the reading and comprehension skills, everyone else needs to go back to school. If this guy has a job, it must be a lowly piece of employment where he is stepped on all the time or he has no serious social life at all which would explain his pent-up anger and abusive attitude with everyone. I would doubt he is like that in person because if he were, he'd be fired in an instant.
AI - You catching wind of this? Look at all the shrapnel Teckstud is leaving on the forums!
It's only the analysts that are "guessing" about the OS. That alone should discount this piece. I don't think Apple is going to go through the effort to re-invent the wheel. OSX and the iPhone-variant of OSX will probably be used in some form.
Combine the two and what do you get? That would be a modified OS- DUH?
Stick to your personal attacks- they only thing you're good for. And BTW your fey calls for help from AI et al are really scaring me dude (see below).
Teckstud is just getting all wound-up with frustration. Will someone please send him the updated Victoria's Secret catalog? That should keep him occupied (and silent) until he wears it out.
AI - You catching wind of this? Look at all the shrapnel Teckstud is leaving on the forums
Personally, I've been waiting my whole life for the sort of electronic clipboard/tablet I first saw on Star Trek in 1964. The tablet PC is kind of a holy grail for a large segment of the population despite the idea never having really worked yet. Fingers replaces the mouse and keyboard quite well on the iPhone, so I see no reason why they can't do so on a tablet.
The truth is, I completely hear where you're coming from on this. I've looked at all the mockups, read all the articles, and I think a tablet computer would be super (nerdy) cool. The problem is that my personal history (and my closet) is littered with gadgets that I thought would be awesome, just to have them be collecting dust a month later.
I think this is similar to how PDAs never fared all that well. I owned a Cassiopia and an iPAQ (because I never learn my lesson the first time), but tossed them both fairly quickly. This is partly because they were useless, but also because I didn't want to have to carry around yet another device. I think the latest generation of smartphones are major winners because they combine PDA functionality with something you were carrying around anyway.
I guess I can just see myself buying one of these tablets, thinking it's really super cool for a week, then ultimately deciding that I can just as easily bring my laptop out with me if I'm going to need it and return the tablet.
Again, I've been wrong so many times in my life, this could be yet another time. I just see all this talk about tablets, and the most pragmatic part of me thinks, "Why?"
Thanks for the debate!