I think it would sound a bit odd, since a lot of mobile phones had video capabilities for years!
But those handsets run mobile OSes that were designed around much slower HW, while the iPhone is running mobilized desktop OS. On top of that, most of these devices have most of their video recording life with worse video that a jailbroken iPhone can muster. No one is saying that it isn't technically possible, just that it is not possible to do with iPhone OS X with the current HW with any decent quality. There are plenty of companies that cater to technically usable poor quality feature sets, though if you want a phone with a pretty good video camera Nokia has plenty of expertise here.
Nu FUD just misunderstanding. I thought Sarbanes Oxley only worked on the iPhone for 2 years- the life of its contract. Can you please provide a link to your post?
Then you have my apology. This was announced at the iPhone OS X 3.0 Special Event in March.
"Apple has said it plans to release iPhone Software 3.0 sometime this summer as a free upgrade for all current iPhone owners. A distribution for iPod touch users will cost $10."
The question about how SOx works was posted after the event as it will be going into the third year of the device?s release which is past the two years for many buyers. The release of this free, rich update for original iPhone owners also brings many things into question. It?s easy to say that Apple didn?t release this feature or that feature until a later OS version to simply make more money but when they are offering the OS for free that theory doesn?t hold water. I don?t think many would be too put off to find out that there 2+ year old iPhone has to pay for the update since it?s already uncommon for a cellphone to get this much OS attention, especially for free, so far out of the device?s production cycle. It seems that Apple is 1) probably doing a 3 year OS support cycle like they do with their Macs, though for free, and 2) probably doing it more to keep the competitors off balance who may now have to support their plentiful HW platforms with rich and/or free updates, both of which will make Apple look good regardless of how they deal with it.
True, but it's quite possible that Apple itself is leaking information to drown out Pre buzz.
Speed on par with and more memory than any Pre. Video, compass - things Pre doesn't have yet (as far as I was told by a Pre fanatic).
Anyone who buys a Pre BEFORE the iPhone update isn't looking for a phone: they're looking for a clenched fist to raise against Apple. As the owner of a Palm Centro, I cannot consider Palm a maker of serious phones. Pre *may* change my mind - and it'll HAVE TO.
I'll be very interested to see what the new iPhone feels like in use.
All of Apple's optimizations and tradeoffs were designed to squeeze out enough performance so that the iPhone user experience could have the "feeling" that Apple intended.
This is the kind of thing that people that don't get it often deride-- that there can be a sum of the parts that add up to an overall "experience" that, while in some ways intangible or at least difficult to quantify, actually contribute to user satisfaction (even if the user might be hard pressed to explain exactly what it is that is so appealing).
So that the "my WinMob phone has been able to do that for years" crowd assume that enthusiastic iPhone users are in the thrall of the RDF, or hipster posers, or sheep, or easily amused by toys-- anything but acknowledge that Apple actually knows how to design "experiences" that people find enjoyable, because there is an entire tech use mindset that believes "enjoyable" is a myth, or a waste of CPU cycles, or both.
But, as is typical for Apple, they just barely shoehorned in what they had in mind into the 1.0 hardware (which except for the 3G radio the current phone is, for all intents and purposes).
Hence the draconian controls on background apps and the slow pace of new functionality-- Apple has been right at the edge of making the whole thing work, and they value the user experience over any particular app or process.
This looks a little like the early days of OS X-- you could see the potential, but some of the particulars were a little funky.
But I think we're going to start to see the emergence of the "real" iPhone, the platform, the devices for which the power required for "the user experience" are an ever smaller percentage of the total resources available, and the ground work that Apple has laid comes to fruition. I think that's part of what Gruber's talking about, when an upgrade gives you that "wow" feeling because it's a pretty good jump and because the software is just sitting there waiting to take advantage of it.
I think it's going to feel like a whole new thing, because all those little pauses and hiccups are going to start to go away, and Apple knew what they were doing when they built their foundations. The were building the OS to run on hardware this year, and the next, and the next.
And I have to say, as appealing as it appears in some ways, Palm built the Pre to run on this year's software, without too much concern with future growth.
That's the thing about the WebOS-- it's a smart way to optimize some functionality for a constrained hardware environment, but it builds those constraints into the underpinnings of the device. It's hard to see how a WebOS based device is going to be "spreading its wings" when the inevitable faster/better hardware is available.
The Pre is, in effect, like a laptop that uses Goggle Gears and a browser shell to mimic an operating system. Now, it may be that you can actually do a lot with that, and do it pretty well on minimal hardware. But is it extensible in ways that allow "depth" to what you can do? In the way an OS that can execute apps that are compiled into binaries is?
I actually don't know, but I think that this, or the next iteration of the iPhone is going to start to make it clear the wisdom of using a "real" OS, even if the hardware is barely there at first.
There is speculation on this. The best guess I've heard is iPhone Video, since it will have a video recorder, better camera and most likely the ability to play and output 720p video.
Oh man, I want this so bad... my non geek friends will never understand gadget lust like we do here...
True, I did kind of drone on, but I'm waiting for a friend to drop by and doing chores, so I can't go outside right now!
I guess I typically deliver the perspective of the "average" user, not the fervent fanboy/girl. I'm a female/educated and passionate about my Mac and iPhone. I love to see the see-sawing in the forums about what's to come, but it generally doesn't speak to me. Sorry if I came off bitchy.
p.s. wtf just happened with my screenname above your quote? wierd.
I guess I typically deliver the perspective of the "average" user, not the fervent fanboy/girl. I'm a female/educated and passionate about my Mac and iPhone. I love to see the see-sawing in the forums about what's to come, but it generally doesn't speak to me. Sorry if I came off bitchy.
p.s. wtf just happened with my screenname above your quote? wierd.
No worries, but don't be surprised to find compulsive tech parsing on a forum such as this.
You haven't seen anything till you see a bunch of mac-heads agonizing over pixels on a "leaked" photograph.
EDIT: looks like the data base is acting up again, putting the "quote" think above posts.
Well if the leaked placeholder on the T-mobile Austria site is anything to go by...
"iPhone 32 GB" and maybe "iPhone 16 GB", Nokia used the same convention to differentiate the N95 and the N95 8GB.
The ONLY way I see that being the name for the next iPhones is if each model is differentiated by not only a storage difference, but by several other key HW features. However, a problem will arise in a year or two when 32GB is the small size. So unless the HW they are putting into what would be the new flagship iPhone has been planned out well there will be marketing issues. For this reason I would not bet on those names. 2.5 weeks and we should find out.
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All of Apple's optimizations and tradeoffs were designed to squeeze out enough performance so that the iPhone user experience could have the "feeling" that Apple intended.
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That's the thing about the WebOS-- it's a smart way to optimize some functionality for a constrained hardware environment, but it builds those constraints into the underpinnings of the device. It's hard to see how a WebOS based device is going to be "spreading its wings" when the inevitable faster/better hardware is available.
It?s an interesting dynamic between these two modern mobile OSes. iPhone OS X is wuite massive for a mobile OS and WebOS is lightweight. Apple has a much better chance of growing into their OS , especially now with the HW increases but Palm?s advantage here is small. Their OS could potentially be more responsive than iPhone OS X but will that matter with with the next iPhone or the one after it. Will WebOS get more robust? I hope Palm pulls this off and I?m glad they are doing the opposite of Apple in this regard, instead of trying to go head to head with the same concepts.
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Originally Posted by lostkiwi
Oh man, I want this so bad... my non geek friends will never understand gadget lust like we do here...
Are you a Lost fan? Richard is from the old ship and he has found the ?fountain of youth? so he doesn?t age. Jacob is Aaron, the only child born on the island, which explains why Clair and her father, who are dead, are in his cabin speaking on his behalf. I can?t explain the other guy who took the form of Locke or the statue of Sobek. 2010 is a long time to wait for the series' season finale.
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p.s. wtf just happened with my screenname above your quote? wierd.
You miss out a close bracket on post #50 which was not corrected in subsequent posts.
Is this your brilliant deduction redux that if can play video so it should be able to record video just as easily and/or you theory that Apple should include poor running features just because it's technically possible, like how the iPhone can technically play 720p video and Apple should allow it even if it's choppy and only 12fps?
Never said that. All I said was - any moving electronic image is video. I can get it on my LG Chocolate with its lowly RAM and camera. Therefore you sure as hell could get same if not better 2 years ago on your EDge iPhone.
You really have a problem admitting that you wrong! Perplexing- isn't it?
It?s an interesting dynamic between these two modern mobile OSes. iPhone OS X is wuite massive for a mobile OS and WebOS is lightweight. Apple has a much better chance of growing into their OS , especially now with the HW increases but Palm?s advantage here is small. Their OS could potentially be more responsive than iPhone OS X but will that matter with with the next iPhone or the one after it. Will WebOS get more robust? I hope Palm pulls this off and I?m glad they are doing the opposite of Apple in this regard, instead of trying to go head to head with the same concepts.
Well said. I have no idea if there are will be extensions to the WebOS that would allow for things like graphically intensive games; that will likely be a point of divergence between the iPhone and the Pre that will grow wider, with the iPhone becoming ever more a general purpose computing device.
I agree that Palm is doing something different here and the comparisons with the iPhone may miss the mark. Plenty of room for more than one approach in the market.
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Are you a Lost fan? Richard is from the old ship and he has found the ?fountain of youth? so he doesn?t age. Jacob is Aaron, the only child born on the island, which explains why Clair and her father, who are dead, are in his cabin speaking on his behalf. I can?t explain the other guy who took the form of Locke or the statue of Sobek. 2010 is a long time to wait for the series' season finale.
Hmmm, interesting. Although the new band of off-island Jacob-ites (Jacobians?) first address Richard as "Ricardus" and he gives the response to the question in Latin, so I think he may be older than the Black Rock, which was a British 18th century trading vessel. Plus there's all the Egyptian stuff, which has always suggested to me that the time/space hopping island spent some quality time off the coast of Africa, say, and could even have been Atlantis, so the time frames for the major players are likely pretty vast.
Of course, all of that could have happened after an 18th century dude got tossed on the island, and he's been spending many, many years living in various times and places.
I like the Jacob/Aaron idea though. I think to the extent that Jacob represented (or was the source of) an Egyptian deity (Sobek himself?) we can assume that the rival embodies some other Egyptian figure--- as per the pictographs in the temple showing Sobek confronting something that looks much like the smoke monster.
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I think it would sound a bit odd, since a lot of mobile phones had video capabilities for years!
But those handsets run mobile OSes that were designed around much slower HW, while the iPhone is running mobilized desktop OS. On top of that, most of these devices have most of their video recording life with worse video that a jailbroken iPhone can muster. No one is saying that it isn't technically possible, just that it is not possible to do with iPhone OS X with the current HW with any decent quality. There are plenty of companies that cater to technically usable poor quality feature sets, though if you want a phone with a pretty good video camera Nokia has plenty of expertise here.
Nu FUD just misunderstanding. I thought Sarbanes Oxley only worked on the iPhone for 2 years- the life of its contract. Can you please provide a link to your post?
Then you have my apology. This was announced at the iPhone OS X 3.0 Special Event in March.The question about how SOx works was posted after the event as it will be going into the third year of the device?s release which is past the two years for many buyers. The release of this free, rich update for original iPhone owners also brings many things into question. It?s easy to say that Apple didn?t release this feature or that feature until a later OS version to simply make more money but when they are offering the OS for free that theory doesn?t hold water. I don?t think many would be too put off to find out that there 2+ year old iPhone has to pay for the update since it?s already uncommon for a cellphone to get this much OS attention, especially for free, so far out of the device?s production cycle. It seems that Apple is 1) probably doing a 3 year OS support cycle like they do with their Macs, though for free, and 2) probably doing it more to keep the competitors off balance who may now have to support their plentiful HW platforms with rich and/or free updates, both of which will make Apple look good regardless of how they deal with it.
True, but it's quite possible that Apple itself is leaking information to drown out Pre buzz.
Speed on par with and more memory than any Pre. Video, compass - things Pre doesn't have yet (as far as I was told by a Pre fanatic).
Anyone who buys a Pre BEFORE the iPhone update isn't looking for a phone: they're looking for a clenched fist to raise against Apple. As the owner of a Palm Centro, I cannot consider Palm a maker of serious phones. Pre *may* change my mind - and it'll HAVE TO.
All of Apple's optimizations and tradeoffs were designed to squeeze out enough performance so that the iPhone user experience could have the "feeling" that Apple intended.
This is the kind of thing that people that don't get it often deride-- that there can be a sum of the parts that add up to an overall "experience" that, while in some ways intangible or at least difficult to quantify, actually contribute to user satisfaction (even if the user might be hard pressed to explain exactly what it is that is so appealing).
So that the "my WinMob phone has been able to do that for years" crowd assume that enthusiastic iPhone users are in the thrall of the RDF, or hipster posers, or sheep, or easily amused by toys-- anything but acknowledge that Apple actually knows how to design "experiences" that people find enjoyable, because there is an entire tech use mindset that believes "enjoyable" is a myth, or a waste of CPU cycles, or both.
But, as is typical for Apple, they just barely shoehorned in what they had in mind into the 1.0 hardware (which except for the 3G radio the current phone is, for all intents and purposes).
Hence the draconian controls on background apps and the slow pace of new functionality-- Apple has been right at the edge of making the whole thing work, and they value the user experience over any particular app or process.
This looks a little like the early days of OS X-- you could see the potential, but some of the particulars were a little funky.
But I think we're going to start to see the emergence of the "real" iPhone, the platform, the devices for which the power required for "the user experience" are an ever smaller percentage of the total resources available, and the ground work that Apple has laid comes to fruition. I think that's part of what Gruber's talking about, when an upgrade gives you that "wow" feeling because it's a pretty good jump and because the software is just sitting there waiting to take advantage of it.
I think it's going to feel like a whole new thing, because all those little pauses and hiccups are going to start to go away, and Apple knew what they were doing when they built their foundations. The were building the OS to run on hardware this year, and the next, and the next.
That's the thing about the WebOS-- it's a smart way to optimize some functionality for a constrained hardware environment, but it builds those constraints into the underpinnings of the device. It's hard to see how a WebOS based device is going to be "spreading its wings" when the inevitable faster/better hardware is available.
The Pre is, in effect, like a laptop that uses Goggle Gears and a browser shell to mimic an operating system. Now, it may be that you can actually do a lot with that, and do it pretty well on minimal hardware. But is it extensible in ways that allow "depth" to what you can do? In the way an OS that can execute apps that are compiled into binaries is?
I actually don't know, but I think that this, or the next iteration of the iPhone is going to start to make it clear the wisdom of using a "real" OS, even if the hardware is barely there at first.
"iPhone 32 GB" and maybe "iPhone 16 GB", Nokia used the same convention to differentiate the N95 and the N95 8GB.
iPhone HD?
iPhone 3Gv2?
iPhone 3.5G?
They have to name it something else to optimize marketing.
? take this stuff way to seriouly. Other than being fun to speculate, this stuff is really not very important.
Thank you for this one. Go outside people.
Thank you for this one. Go outside people.
Posting about people being silly to post is automatic fail.
Oh, you're just cross at me 'cause you know I'm right. Didn't you just finish writing a speculative novella a few posts above. Have some fun people.
Posting about people being silly to post is automatic fail.[/QUOTE
Oh, you're just cross at me 'cause you know I'm right. Didn't you just finish writing a speculative novella a few posts above. Have some fun people.
There is speculation on this. The best guess I've heard is iPhone Video, since it will have a video recorder, better camera and most likely the ability to play and output 720p video.
Oh man, I want this so bad... my non geek friends will never understand gadget lust like we do here...
I guess I typically deliver the perspective of the "average" user, not the fervent fanboy/girl. I'm a female/educated and passionate about my Mac and iPhone. I love to see the see-sawing in the forums about what's to come, but it generally doesn't speak to me. Sorry if I came off bitchy.
p.s. wtf just happened with my screenname above your quote? wierd.
I guess I typically deliver the perspective of the "average" user, not the fervent fanboy/girl. I'm a female/educated and passionate about my Mac and iPhone. I love to see the see-sawing in the forums about what's to come, but it generally doesn't speak to me. Sorry if I came off bitchy.
p.s. wtf just happened with my screenname above your quote? wierd.
No worries, but don't be surprised to find compulsive tech parsing on a forum such as this.
You haven't seen anything till you see a bunch of mac-heads agonizing over pixels on a "leaked" photograph.
EDIT: looks like the data base is acting up again, putting the "quote" think above posts.
No worries, but don't be surprised to find compulsive tech parsing on a forum such as this.
You haven't seen anything till you see a bunch of mac-heads agonizing over pixels on a "leaked" photograph.
EDIT: looks like the data base is acting up again, putting the "quote" think above posts.
Ah, yes. The screen size, pixel density argument.....nodding off.....can't.....stay.............awake.
Good night y'all.
Well if the leaked placeholder on the T-mobile Austria site is anything to go by...
"iPhone 32 GB" and maybe "iPhone 16 GB", Nokia used the same convention to differentiate the N95 and the N95 8GB.
The ONLY way I see that being the name for the next iPhones is if each model is differentiated by not only a storage difference, but by several other key HW features. However, a problem will arise in a year or two when 32GB is the small size. So unless the HW they are putting into what would be the new flagship iPhone has been planned out well there will be marketing issues. For this reason I would not bet on those names. 2.5 weeks and we should find out.
All of Apple's optimizations and tradeoffs were designed to squeeze out enough performance so that the iPhone user experience could have the "feeling" that Apple intended.
[?]
That's the thing about the WebOS-- it's a smart way to optimize some functionality for a constrained hardware environment, but it builds those constraints into the underpinnings of the device. It's hard to see how a WebOS based device is going to be "spreading its wings" when the inevitable faster/better hardware is available.
It?s an interesting dynamic between these two modern mobile OSes. iPhone OS X is wuite massive for a mobile OS and WebOS is lightweight. Apple has a much better chance of growing into their OS , especially now with the HW increases but Palm?s advantage here is small. Their OS could potentially be more responsive than iPhone OS X but will that matter with with the next iPhone or the one after it. Will WebOS get more robust? I hope Palm pulls this off and I?m glad they are doing the opposite of Apple in this regard, instead of trying to go head to head with the same concepts.
Oh man, I want this so bad... my non geek friends will never understand gadget lust like we do here...
Are you a Lost fan? Richard is from the old ship and he has found the ?fountain of youth? so he doesn?t age. Jacob is Aaron, the only child born on the island, which explains why Clair and her father, who are dead, are in his cabin speaking on his behalf. I can?t explain the other guy who took the form of Locke or the statue of Sobek. 2010 is a long time to wait for the series' season finale.
p.s. wtf just happened with my screenname above your quote? wierd.
You miss out a close bracket on post #50 which was not corrected in subsequent posts.
Is this your brilliant deduction redux that if can play video so it should be able to record video just as easily and/or you theory that Apple should include poor running features just because it's technically possible, like how the iPhone can technically play 720p video and Apple should allow it even if it's choppy and only 12fps?
Never said that. All I said was - any moving electronic image is video. I can get it on my LG Chocolate with its lowly RAM and camera. Therefore you sure as hell could get same if not better 2 years ago on your EDge iPhone.
You really have a problem admitting that you wrong! Perplexing- isn't it?
Oh man, I want this so bad... my non geek friends will never understand gadget lust like we do here...
Not so sure about that. There are a lot of geeks just like you- salivating, waiting for when the Pre cums.
It?s an interesting dynamic between these two modern mobile OSes. iPhone OS X is wuite massive for a mobile OS and WebOS is lightweight. Apple has a much better chance of growing into their OS , especially now with the HW increases but Palm?s advantage here is small. Their OS could potentially be more responsive than iPhone OS X but will that matter with with the next iPhone or the one after it. Will WebOS get more robust? I hope Palm pulls this off and I?m glad they are doing the opposite of Apple in this regard, instead of trying to go head to head with the same concepts.
Well said. I have no idea if there are will be extensions to the WebOS that would allow for things like graphically intensive games; that will likely be a point of divergence between the iPhone and the Pre that will grow wider, with the iPhone becoming ever more a general purpose computing device.
I agree that Palm is doing something different here and the comparisons with the iPhone may miss the mark. Plenty of room for more than one approach in the market.
Are you a Lost fan? Richard is from the old ship and he has found the ?fountain of youth? so he doesn?t age. Jacob is Aaron, the only child born on the island, which explains why Clair and her father, who are dead, are in his cabin speaking on his behalf. I can?t explain the other guy who took the form of Locke or the statue of Sobek. 2010 is a long time to wait for the series' season finale.
Hmmm, interesting. Although the new band of off-island Jacob-ites (Jacobians?) first address Richard as "Ricardus" and he gives the response to the question in Latin, so I think he may be older than the Black Rock, which was a British 18th century trading vessel. Plus there's all the Egyptian stuff, which has always suggested to me that the time/space hopping island spent some quality time off the coast of Africa, say, and could even have been Atlantis, so the time frames for the major players are likely pretty vast.
Of course, all of that could have happened after an 18th century dude got tossed on the island, and he's been spending many, many years living in various times and places.
I like the Jacob/Aaron idea though. I think to the extent that Jacob represented (or was the source of) an Egyptian deity (Sobek himself?) we can assume that the rival embodies some other Egyptian figure--- as per the pictographs in the temple showing Sobek confronting something that looks much like the smoke monster.