It's self evident. Apple signed most of those contracts knowing full well the popularity of the iPhone. So the only possible reason why Apple would WANT and willingly sign exclusive contracts as they have is because APPLE THINKS THAT'S THE WAY THEY WILL MAKE THE MOST PROFIT.
I think it?s self evident, but the question about Apple and Verizon gets asks so often that it apparently is not common knowledge.
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Can we stop posing these stupid questions please?
I?d love to stop asking questions to what I think is obvious as soon as those asking the initial question start looking at the big picture.
The question is not necessarily stupid. Moreover, you could be accused of exactly the same thing: it is equally self-evident that a profit-making company would do something only because it will make the "most profit."
The more interesting aspect of the question is, it invites us to think about or argue why Apple thinks this particular strategy in the US gives it the most profit.
Exactly.
That is the point. And the one that solipsism would have never seen because he's blinded by Apple and can't look at or consider anything else.
The question is not necessarily stupid. Moreover, you could be accused of exactly the same thing: it is equally self-evident that a profit-maximizing company would do something only because it will make the "most profit."
The more interesting aspect of the question is, it invites us to think about or argue why Apple thinks this particular strategy in the US gives it the most profit.
I said something self evident because that was the answer to the question. Pointing out that it is self-evident was an attempt to get people to stop asking ridiculous questions.
As for why Apple does it in the USA, clearly ATT makes it worth their time.
That is the point. And the one that solipsism would have never seen because he's blinded by Apple and can't look at or consider anything else.
Anantksundaram restates my point, though more acutely than I did, and you reply stating that I wouldn?t make that point. Hmm? I think you may have just dethroned Teckstud.
Anantksundaram restates my point, though more acutely than I did, and you reply stating that I wouldn?t make that point. Hmm? I think you may have just dethroned Teckstud.
Apple signed most of those contracts knowing full well the popularity of the iPhone. So the only possible reason why Apple would WANT and willingly sign exclusive contracts as they have is because APPLE THINKS THAT'S THE WAY THEY WILL MAKE THE MOST PROFIT.
I don't think this was true for the original Apple/AT&T contract.
At the time there was considerable skepticism that Apple, who
had never sold a cell phone before, would be able to compete
with the likes of Nokia, RIM, or even Motorola. It is the perception
of many people that Verizon's doubt about Apple was essential to
Verizon's rejection of the iPhone in the first place.
Anantksundaram restates my point, though more acutely than I did, and you reply stating that I wouldn’t make that point. Hmm… I think you may have just dethroned Teckstud.
No, just you.
I'm tired of sitting on the sidelines and watching you belittle people by your comments and snide remarks.
You're normally wrong (about 80%) of the time and when you are you twist your original statement to agree with the person that called you out for your lack of knowledge as you did in this posting.
When you are correct, which is rare, you belittle everyone that disagreed with you.
You are smug and arrogant and I was just tired of sitting on the sidelines watching it.
I don't think this was true for the original Apple/AT&T contract.
At the time there was considerable skepticism that Apple, who
had never sold a cell phone before, would be able to compete
with the likes of Nokia, RIM, or even Motorola. It is the perception
of many people that Verizon's doubt about Apple was essential to
Verizon's rejection of the iPhone in the first place.
That's why I very specifically said that "Apple signed most of those contracts knowing full well the popularity of the iPhone." The original USA contract is a different case, but once the original contract expired Apple was in the same position as in other countries. They knew exactly how popular their device was, and the contract will certainly reflect the opportunity that Apple knows it is giving up by not going with an open device.
People here apparently think that Apple would get the same amount of cash from ATT if they were not exclusive as they do now with exclusivity. They must think they're smarter than all the dummies who make the business decisions at Apple.
I can just see it - Steve Jobs walking around, bumping into walls and mumbling to himself. Poor idiot never figured out that if you have something which is hotly demanded, you can raise the price for it. Some of the really smart MBAs on this board should tell him!
I'm tired of sitting on the sidelines and watching you belittle people by your comments and snide remarks.
You're normally wrong (about 80%) of the time and when you are you twist your original statement to agree with the person that called you out for your lack of knowledge as you did in this posting.
When you are correct, which is rare, you belittle everyone that disagreed with you.
You are smug and arrogant and I was just tired of sitting on the sidelines watching it.
You've really raised the level of discourse, we all owe you a debt.
By then they should have converted their 700MHz spectrum to 850MHz, increased general coverage areas, added more 3G and upped their 3G data rates significantly by then.
There is no "conversion" of spectrum. The 700MHz spectrum will be used for LTE. The 850MHz, in markets AT&T has carrier license, will be overlaid as a second 3G carrier. The 850MHz overlay is underway and should be completed in most major markets by the end of the year. 850MHz should, and does in my experience, improve indoor RF penetration.
3G coverage will expand as AT&T increases the number of cell sites. User experience should improve as cell splitting relives congested nodes. Deploying 3G coverage is an ongoing and lengthy process.
AT&T is in the process of increasing data speeds to 7.2Mbps (theoretical), and is using the Juniper routers AI reported on to upgrade backhaul infrastructure. In the future, likely 1-1.5 years from now, AT&T will have rolled out 21Mbps (theoretical) HSPA+.
AT&T is also implementing a load-balancing system for all non-iPhone and non-BlackBerry Bold subscribers dubbed N-SET. This system will force calls and standby to EDGE in an effort to increase available spectrum for 3G users. Verizon and Sprint already use a similar method. This system is currently being deployed, but will take some months to become effective, as user behavior will be monitored before any changes are made.
Backhaul capacity is a major issue for AT&T (I'm in NYC, and I feel the burn!). Even after AT&T upgrades cell site baseband to allow 7.2Mbps, cell site backhaul in densely populated areas will be the rate limiting factor. Increasing backhaul capacity will be the single most difficult and time-consuming task.
Verizon is quickly pursuing LTE and the quality, coverage, and date of availability will surpass AT&T by 1-2 years. Verizon's investment in fiber optic (FiOS) will be a huge payoff as it gets set to deploy LTE. Sprint is pursuing WiMax and is working with Clearwire to roll out the service, currently as a competitor to DSL and Dial-Up and later as a cell carrier. T-Mobile is still in the process of rolling out 3G and is the weakest in terms of the 4 major cell carriers.
Verizon is quickly pursuing LTE and the quality, coverage, and date of availability will surpass AT&T by 1-2 years. Verizon's investment in fiber optic (FiOS) will be a huge payoff as it gets set to deploy LTE.
I'm no expert, but I was under the impression that Verizon wireless was operationally separate from Verizon the company that owns FIOS. I don't believe the FIOS investments will benefit VZW.
I'm no expert, but I was under the impression that Verizon wireless was operationally separate from Verizon the company that owns FIOS. I don't believe the FIOS investments will benefit VZW.
VZ gives preference to VZW. Bottom line, FiOS will benefit VZW (and already is, in some markets). Additional capacity is leased to other wireless carriers.
Even then it won't happen unless Vernon is willing to cede the
amount of control to Apple that AT&T has.
huh???
Apple approached VERIZON first. and VERIZON wanted to at least see a mockup of the iphone among other reasons. Vernon said no to apple.
FAST forward to right now and Vernon all but admits it made the biggest stupidest mistake that anyone in biz has scene in decades.
AT&T with the iphone is so happy. So many converts .
VERIZON LIVES a phone market where everything was working poorly. No one was buying smartphone back because they sucked. In a market where everything cuts at your profit,
while you try to build and light a nationwide 4g network. Spending billions doing this. in this market VERIZON makes profit selling data. And it was failing at that because the phones simply did not work.
VERIZON ceded the greatest phone invention to date . an invention that lets them charge 70 buck a month .
apple all but defined and created the smart phone market
VERIZON HAS HAD MUSIC ON THERE PHONES FOR 5 YRS .
they have failed so badly at this simple task . and apple came to them and said .... PSSST. we can show you the way . . we have this cool ......
the rest is history .VERIZON will do anything to get the iphone . ANYTHING .
Apple approached VERIZON first. and VERIZON wanted to at least see a mockup of the iphone among other reasons. Vernon said no to apple.
FAST forward to right now and Vernon all but admits it made the biggest stupidest mistake that anyone in biz has scene in decades.
AT&T with the iphone is so happy. So many converts .
VERIZON LIVES a phone market where everything was working poorly. No one was buying smartphone back because they sucked. In a market where everything cuts at your profit,
while you try to build and light a nationwide 4g network. Spending billions doing this. in this market VERIZON makes profit selling data. And it was failing at that because the phones simply did not work.
VERIZON ceded the greatest phone invention to date . an invention that lets them charge 70 buck a month .
apple all but defined and created the smart phone market
VERIZON HAS HAD MUSIC ON THERE PHONES FOR 5 YRS .
they have failed so badly at this simple task . and apple came to them and said .... PSSST. we can show you the way . . we have this cool ......
the rest is history .VERIZON will do anything to get the iphone . ANYTHING .
Well, there seem to be several people on these boards who share
your hope. Unfortunately, AT&T will probably do just about
anything to retain exclusivity. It puts Apple in an incredibly good
There is no "conversion" of spectrum. The 700MHz spectrum will be used for LTE. The 850MHz, in markets AT&T has carrier license, will be overlaid as a second 3G carrier. The 850MHz overlay is underway and should be completed in most major markets by the end of the year. 850MHz should, and does in my experience, improve indoor RF penetration.
3G coverage will expand as AT&T increases the number of cell sites. User experience should improve as cell splitting relives congested nodes. Deploying 3G coverage is an ongoing and lengthy process.
AT&T is in the process of increasing data speeds to 7.2Mbps (theoretical), and is using the Juniper routers AI reported on to upgrade backhaul infrastructure. In the future, likely 1-1.5 years from now, AT&T will have rolled out 21Mbps (theoretical) HSPA+.
AT&T is also implementing a load-balancing system for all non-iPhone and non-BlackBerry Bold subscribers dubbed N-SET. This system will force calls and standby to EDGE in an effort to increase available spectrum for 3G users. Verizon and Sprint already use a similar method. This system is currently being deployed, but will take some months to become effective, as user behavior will be monitored before any changes are made.
Backhaul capacity is a major issue for AT&T (I'm in NYC, and I feel the burn!). Even after AT&T upgrades cell site baseband to allow 7.2Mbps, cell site backhaul in densely populated areas will be the rate limiting factor. Increasing backhaul capacity will be the single most difficult and time-consuming task.
Verizon is quickly pursuing LTE and the quality, coverage, and date of availability will surpass AT&T by 1-2 years. Verizon's investment in fiber optic (FiOS) will be a huge payoff as it gets set to deploy LTE. Sprint is pursuing WiMax and is working with Clearwire to roll out the service, currently as a competitor to DSL and Dial-Up and later as a cell carrier. T-Mobile is still in the process of rolling out 3G and is the weakest in terms of the 4 major cell carriers.
I was informed it was a conversion of the current 700Mhz to the 850MHz frequency band on each tower. If they are adding both, then all the better. Good info and welcome to the forum. It’s always good to see new posters with worthwhile information to share.
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Said my peace and be happy to sit on the sidelines again.
I double dog dare you, and that includes making a new handle when you decide to come back to the ring.
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It's self evident. Apple signed most of those contracts knowing full well the popularity of the iPhone. So the only possible reason why Apple would WANT and willingly sign exclusive contracts as they have is because APPLE THINKS THAT'S THE WAY THEY WILL MAKE THE MOST PROFIT.
I think it?s self evident, but the question about Apple and Verizon gets asks so often that it apparently is not common knowledge.
Can we stop posing these stupid questions please?
I?d love to stop asking questions to what I think is obvious as soon as those asking the initial question start looking at the big picture.
agreed . i can't know what i am against until techspud posts first .
I am tearing up at all the love and respect for this person's views.....
The question is not necessarily stupid. Moreover, you could be accused of exactly the same thing: it is equally self-evident that a profit-making company would do something only because it will make the "most profit."
The more interesting aspect of the question is, it invites us to think about or argue why Apple thinks this particular strategy in the US gives it the most profit.
Exactly.
That is the point. And the one that solipsism would have never seen because he's blinded by Apple and can't look at or consider anything else.
Exactly.
That is the point. And the one that solipsism would have never seen because he's blinded by Apple and can't look at or consider anything else.
Oh boy.... now I am totally confused..... oh well, that wouldn't be the first time.
I am glad everyone agrees with me. I must be saying something so obvious as to be redundant.
The question is not necessarily stupid. Moreover, you could be accused of exactly the same thing: it is equally self-evident that a profit-maximizing company would do something only because it will make the "most profit."
The more interesting aspect of the question is, it invites us to think about or argue why Apple thinks this particular strategy in the US gives it the most profit.
I said something self evident because that was the answer to the question. Pointing out that it is self-evident was an attempt to get people to stop asking ridiculous questions.
As for why Apple does it in the USA, clearly ATT makes it worth their time.
Exactly.
That is the point. And the one that solipsism would have never seen because he's blinded by Apple and can't look at or consider anything else.
Anantksundaram restates my point, though more acutely than I did, and you reply stating that I wouldn?t make that point. Hmm? I think you may have just dethroned Teckstud.
Anantksundaram restates my point, though more acutely than I did, and you reply stating that I wouldn?t make that point. Hmm? I think you may have just dethroned Teckstud.
Do you really think he's not teckstud?
Apple signed most of those contracts knowing full well the popularity of the iPhone. So the only possible reason why Apple would WANT and willingly sign exclusive contracts as they have is because APPLE THINKS THAT'S THE WAY THEY WILL MAKE THE MOST PROFIT.
I don't think this was true for the original Apple/AT&T contract.
At the time there was considerable skepticism that Apple, who
had never sold a cell phone before, would be able to compete
with the likes of Nokia, RIM, or even Motorola. It is the perception
of many people that Verizon's doubt about Apple was essential to
Verizon's rejection of the iPhone in the first place.
Exactly.
That is the point. And the one that solipsism would have never seen because he's blinded by Apple and can't look at or consider anything else.
Um, dude? Did Solipsism kick your dog? You seem to have taken a bit of a personal dislike, and that never helps.
Anantksundaram restates my point, though more acutely than I did, and you reply stating that I wouldn’t make that point. Hmm… I think you may have just dethroned Teckstud.
No, just you.
I'm tired of sitting on the sidelines and watching you belittle people by your comments and snide remarks.
You're normally wrong (about 80%) of the time and when you are you twist your original statement to agree with the person that called you out for your lack of knowledge as you did in this posting.
When you are correct, which is rare, you belittle everyone that disagreed with you.
You are smug and arrogant and I was just tired of sitting on the sidelines watching it.
I don't think this was true for the original Apple/AT&T contract.
At the time there was considerable skepticism that Apple, who
had never sold a cell phone before, would be able to compete
with the likes of Nokia, RIM, or even Motorola. It is the perception
of many people that Verizon's doubt about Apple was essential to
Verizon's rejection of the iPhone in the first place.
That's why I very specifically said that "Apple signed most of those contracts knowing full well the popularity of the iPhone." The original USA contract is a different case, but once the original contract expired Apple was in the same position as in other countries. They knew exactly how popular their device was, and the contract will certainly reflect the opportunity that Apple knows it is giving up by not going with an open device.
People here apparently think that Apple would get the same amount of cash from ATT if they were not exclusive as they do now with exclusivity. They must think they're smarter than all the dummies who make the business decisions at Apple.
I can just see it - Steve Jobs walking around, bumping into walls and mumbling to himself. Poor idiot never figured out that if you have something which is hotly demanded, you can raise the price for it. Some of the really smart MBAs on this board should tell him!
No, just you.
I'm tired of sitting on the sidelines and watching you belittle people by your comments and snide remarks.
You're normally wrong (about 80%) of the time and when you are you twist your original statement to agree with the person that called you out for your lack of knowledge as you did in this posting.
When you are correct, which is rare, you belittle everyone that disagreed with you.
You are smug and arrogant and I was just tired of sitting on the sidelines watching it.
You've really raised the level of discourse, we all owe you a debt.
By then they should have converted their 700MHz spectrum to 850MHz, increased general coverage areas, added more 3G and upped their 3G data rates significantly by then.
There is no "conversion" of spectrum. The 700MHz spectrum will be used for LTE. The 850MHz, in markets AT&T has carrier license, will be overlaid as a second 3G carrier. The 850MHz overlay is underway and should be completed in most major markets by the end of the year. 850MHz should, and does in my experience, improve indoor RF penetration.
3G coverage will expand as AT&T increases the number of cell sites. User experience should improve as cell splitting relives congested nodes. Deploying 3G coverage is an ongoing and lengthy process.
AT&T is in the process of increasing data speeds to 7.2Mbps (theoretical), and is using the Juniper routers AI reported on to upgrade backhaul infrastructure. In the future, likely 1-1.5 years from now, AT&T will have rolled out 21Mbps (theoretical) HSPA+.
AT&T is also implementing a load-balancing system for all non-iPhone and non-BlackBerry Bold subscribers dubbed N-SET. This system will force calls and standby to EDGE in an effort to increase available spectrum for 3G users. Verizon and Sprint already use a similar method. This system is currently being deployed, but will take some months to become effective, as user behavior will be monitored before any changes are made.
Backhaul capacity is a major issue for AT&T (I'm in NYC, and I feel the burn!). Even after AT&T upgrades cell site baseband to allow 7.2Mbps, cell site backhaul in densely populated areas will be the rate limiting factor. Increasing backhaul capacity will be the single most difficult and time-consuming task.
Verizon is quickly pursuing LTE and the quality, coverage, and date of availability will surpass AT&T by 1-2 years. Verizon's investment in fiber optic (FiOS) will be a huge payoff as it gets set to deploy LTE. Sprint is pursuing WiMax and is working with Clearwire to roll out the service, currently as a competitor to DSL and Dial-Up and later as a cell carrier. T-Mobile is still in the process of rolling out 3G and is the weakest in terms of the 4 major cell carriers.
You've really raised the level of discourse, we all owe you a debt.
Said my peace and be happy to sit on the sidelines again.
Verizon is quickly pursuing LTE and the quality, coverage, and date of availability will surpass AT&T by 1-2 years. Verizon's investment in fiber optic (FiOS) will be a huge payoff as it gets set to deploy LTE.
I'm no expert, but I was under the impression that Verizon wireless was operationally separate from Verizon the company that owns FIOS. I don't believe the FIOS investments will benefit VZW.
I'm no expert, but I was under the impression that Verizon wireless was operationally separate from Verizon the company that owns FIOS. I don't believe the FIOS investments will benefit VZW.
VZ gives preference to VZW. Bottom line, FiOS will benefit VZW (and already is, in some markets). Additional capacity is leased to other wireless carriers.
Even then it won't happen unless Vernon is willing to cede the
amount of control to Apple that AT&T has.
huh???
Apple approached VERIZON first. and VERIZON wanted to at least see a mockup of the iphone among other reasons. Vernon said no to apple.
FAST forward to right now and Vernon all but admits it made the biggest stupidest mistake that anyone in biz has scene in decades.
AT&T with the iphone is so happy. So many converts .
VERIZON LIVES a phone market where everything was working poorly. No one was buying smartphone back because they sucked. In a market where everything cuts at your profit,
while you try to build and light a nationwide 4g network. Spending billions doing this. in this market VERIZON makes profit selling data. And it was failing at that because the phones simply did not work.
VERIZON ceded the greatest phone invention to date . an invention that lets them charge 70 buck a month .
apple all but defined and created the smart phone market
VERIZON HAS HAD MUSIC ON THERE PHONES FOR 5 YRS .
they have failed so badly at this simple task . and apple came to them and said .... PSSST. we can show you the way . . we have this cool ......
the rest is history .VERIZON will do anything to get the iphone . ANYTHING .
huh???
Apple approached VERIZON first. and VERIZON wanted to at least see a mockup of the iphone among other reasons. Vernon said no to apple.
FAST forward to right now and Vernon all but admits it made the biggest stupidest mistake that anyone in biz has scene in decades.
AT&T with the iphone is so happy. So many converts .
VERIZON LIVES a phone market where everything was working poorly. No one was buying smartphone back because they sucked. In a market where everything cuts at your profit,
while you try to build and light a nationwide 4g network. Spending billions doing this. in this market VERIZON makes profit selling data. And it was failing at that because the phones simply did not work.
VERIZON ceded the greatest phone invention to date . an invention that lets them charge 70 buck a month .
apple all but defined and created the smart phone market
VERIZON HAS HAD MUSIC ON THERE PHONES FOR 5 YRS .
they have failed so badly at this simple task . and apple came to them and said .... PSSST. we can show you the way . . we have this cool ......
the rest is history .VERIZON will do anything to get the iphone . ANYTHING .
Well, there seem to be several people on these boards who share
your hope. Unfortunately, AT&T will probably do just about
anything to retain exclusivity. It puts Apple in an incredibly good
bargaining position. (btw, who is Vernon?)
There is no "conversion" of spectrum. The 700MHz spectrum will be used for LTE. The 850MHz, in markets AT&T has carrier license, will be overlaid as a second 3G carrier. The 850MHz overlay is underway and should be completed in most major markets by the end of the year. 850MHz should, and does in my experience, improve indoor RF penetration.
3G coverage will expand as AT&T increases the number of cell sites. User experience should improve as cell splitting relives congested nodes. Deploying 3G coverage is an ongoing and lengthy process.
AT&T is in the process of increasing data speeds to 7.2Mbps (theoretical), and is using the Juniper routers AI reported on to upgrade backhaul infrastructure. In the future, likely 1-1.5 years from now, AT&T will have rolled out 21Mbps (theoretical) HSPA+.
AT&T is also implementing a load-balancing system for all non-iPhone and non-BlackBerry Bold subscribers dubbed N-SET. This system will force calls and standby to EDGE in an effort to increase available spectrum for 3G users. Verizon and Sprint already use a similar method. This system is currently being deployed, but will take some months to become effective, as user behavior will be monitored before any changes are made.
Backhaul capacity is a major issue for AT&T (I'm in NYC, and I feel the burn!). Even after AT&T upgrades cell site baseband to allow 7.2Mbps, cell site backhaul in densely populated areas will be the rate limiting factor. Increasing backhaul capacity will be the single most difficult and time-consuming task.
Verizon is quickly pursuing LTE and the quality, coverage, and date of availability will surpass AT&T by 1-2 years. Verizon's investment in fiber optic (FiOS) will be a huge payoff as it gets set to deploy LTE. Sprint is pursuing WiMax and is working with Clearwire to roll out the service, currently as a competitor to DSL and Dial-Up and later as a cell carrier. T-Mobile is still in the process of rolling out 3G and is the weakest in terms of the 4 major cell carriers.
I was informed it was a conversion of the current 700Mhz to the 850MHz frequency band on each tower. If they are adding both, then all the better. Good info and welcome to the forum. It’s always good to see new posters with worthwhile information to share.
Said my peace and be happy to sit on the sidelines again.
I double dog dare you, and that includes making a new handle when you decide to come back to the ring.