Your present iPhone's hardware only does 3.6, so you will never see 7.2. Or 3.6 for that matter. A little something that is never mentioned in discussions about wireless bandwidth:
THE BANDWIDTH FIGURE STATED (7.2Mb/s or 3.6Mb/s) IS THE AGGREGATE BANDWIDTH AVAILABLE IN THE CELL.
Got that? It means that that's all that's available for everyone using the cell, in total, at any given point in time. You can only reach it if you are alone in the cell and are close to the base station and if you have a device that is capable of reaching that speed.
Can you see why the carriers never mention this? And you gotta love Telstra. Their network is "capable of" 21Mb/s, as long as you don't actually want to use a wireless device to access it, since none exist outside some development lab somewhere.
What's the point if you can't stream porn on an iphone? Seriously.
I?m sure there was iPhone optimized porn sites within a week of its launch.
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Originally Posted by ktappe
I welcome AT&T upgrading their infrastructure, but it bothers me if it comes at the expense of current functionality.
That does suck, but progress isn?t always without obstacles.
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Originally Posted by str1f3
I don't believe a word that comes out of AT&T's mouth. I'll believe it when I see it.
I?ve noticed significant speed increases this year. I have maxed out at 3Mbps down and 1.4Mbps up, while I?d say I now average over 1Mbps up and down.
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Originally Posted by NOFEER
if they upgrade to 7.2 network, what about our present iphone 3g? the best i ever gotten was 1.4 (eastern freakin ky has 1.4 yo!)
the chip can go to 3.6 so where is my 2.4 left over i'd love to get 3.6 or even 3.0
so do you cut in half the max you'll "really" get so what's the point??
The current iPhone 3G will still have the same 3.6Mbps HSPDA. The next iPhone is reportedly getting a 7.2Mbps HSUPA, which will allow for up to 2.0Mbps uploads. Of course, you?ll never get that bandwidth on such slow HW.
how long YouTube clip takes to buffer doesn't depend on the signal strength at the point of iPhone location. It seems to depend on where - on which server - geographically the video is cached.
no errr well yes but
it depends on many varibles . the most important is have far is her from the tower or fiber box .
i am in nyc staten island 200 feet from the fios box . the speed is blazingt fast .yet some one one mile away tied to the same box gets on high traffic times 1/2 my speed .
Nonsense. AT&T says it has 3G coverage in 350 markets, and the fact that they've deployed it here in Fort Wayne, IN, not exactly exactly the hub of the known universe, supports their assertion.
3g is in lots of smaller podunks in Indiana that make Ft Wayne look like Mexico City, problem is 3g is worthless if it is nearly the same speed as edge, and WAY WAY WAY slower than VZ EVDO that is in all the same areas.
I live in a heavy population area, lots of apts and stuff so I probably am connected to a loaded base station but I still feel ripped off as my friends pay less for the same preformance with the iphone first gen edge plan.
Because wouldn't it just be awsome that when your at home you can use your personal wifi for calling on the phone? Is that possible? Could/would they do that?
Search the appstore for Skype, Nimbuzz or Truephone. All three can act as Skype clients on your iPhone (and all three have a lousy sound quality and fail to make the call in 9 out of 10 cases, in my limited testing at least).
Your present iPhone's hardware only does 3.6, so you will never see 7.2. Or 3.6 for that matter. A little something that is never mentioned in discussions about wireless bandwidth.
There have been people showing screenshots of their current iPhones of Internet speed test apps that showed rates around 6 Mb/s. Naturally not in the U.S., since AT&T does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s yet. I really do not understand why people keep ignoring such evidence and continue to claim that the current iPhone does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s.
There have been people showing screenshots of their current iPhones of Internet speed test apps that showed rates around 6 Mb/s. Naturally not in the U.S., since AT&T does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s yet. I really do not understand why people keep ignoring such evidence and continue to claim that the current iPhone does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s.
I?ve only seen 3Mbps down on AT&T?s network. I think we?re under the impression that the HSDPA radio in the device is only capable of 3.6Mbps, hence the assertion.
There has been plenty of links stating the 3.6 speed. If you have some stating otherwise, please post them.
Which does not tell you anything in regard to whether the iPhone is limited to 3.6 or 7.2 because we know that no phone can go faster than 3.6 Mbps on AT&T's network.
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I think we’re under the impression that the HSDPA radio in the device is only capable of 3.6Mbps, hence the assertion.
There has been plenty of links stating the 3.6 speed. If you have some stating otherwise, please post them.
The link you posted only states that the iPhone is capable of the 3.6 standard (or in other words that is maximum speed is higher than 1.8). It does not state that 3.6 is the iPhone's maximum.
The link you posted only states that the iPhone is capable of the 3.6 standard (or in other words that is maximum speed is higher than 1.8). It does not state that 3.6 is the iPhone's maximum.
I can’t look at that link at this moment as I’m in a rural area and quite lucky to have the EDGE I have, but I do believe you based on the manner in which you made your post.
There have been people showing screenshots of their current iPhones of Internet speed test apps that showed rates around 6 Mb/s. Naturally not in the U.S., since AT&T does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s yet. I really do not understand why people keep ignoring such evidence and continue to claim that the current iPhone does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s.
So we should give more weight to a screenshot, a set of pixels, which are set it in stone, of course, not manipulatable by software or anything, versus the physical impossibility of the hardware doing what you're suggesting.
The other possibility is that compression was being used over the link, but I think the more likely explanation is that it's bullshit.
So we should give more weight to a screenshot, a set of pixels, which are set it in stone, of course, not manipulatable by software or anything, versus the physical impossibility of the hardware doing what you're suggesting.
Words typed by humans suggesting the physical impossibility. There might be people simple making things up and writing forum post declaring the physical impossibility and there might be a second set of people creating fake screenshots.
Show me one claim that cites an authorative source, eg, a chipset specification, a test with two smartphones on the same network with one showing the network is capable of 7.2 Mbps and the other showing that the iPhone is stuck below 3.6 Mbps.
Words typed by humans suggesting the physical impossibility. There might be people simple making things up and writing forum post declaring the physical impossibility and there might be a second set of people creating fake screenshots.
Show me one claim that cites an authorative source, eg, a chipset specification, a test with two smartphones on the same network with one showing the network is capable of 7.2 Mbps and the other showing that the iPhone is stuck below 3.6 Mbps.
You're a fucking idiot. Really. Do you think these things happen by accident? Apple spent time and money building a phone to a secret set of specifications, then lied to the FCC about those specifications and lied to their customers? Actions with huge consequences. For what reason? To make your infantile fantasies come true? So you can live in a world where magic happens? Your phone is suddenly better than it is?
You're a fucking idiot. Really. Do you think these things happen by accident? Apple spent time and money building a phone to a secret set of specifications, then lied to the FCC about those specifications and lied to their customers? Actions with huge consequences. For what reason? To make your infantile fantasies come true? So you can live in a world where magic happens? Your phone is suddenly better than it is?
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if they upgrade to 7.2 network, what about our present iphone 3g? the best i ever gotten was 1.4 (eastern freakin ky has 1.4 yo!)
the chip can go to 3.6 so where is my 2.4 left over i'd love to get 3.6 or even 3.0
so do you cut in half the max you'll "really" get so what's the point??
well guess what.....att caps at 1.4 but this sometimes is faster than my cable speed
http://www.mobilemag.com/2008/06/11/...ped-at-14mbps/
Your present iPhone's hardware only does 3.6, so you will never see 7.2. Or 3.6 for that matter. A little something that is never mentioned in discussions about wireless bandwidth:
THE BANDWIDTH FIGURE STATED (7.2Mb/s or 3.6Mb/s) IS THE AGGREGATE BANDWIDTH AVAILABLE IN THE CELL.
Got that? It means that that's all that's available for everyone using the cell, in total, at any given point in time. You can only reach it if you are alone in the cell and are close to the base station and if you have a device that is capable of reaching that speed.
Can you see why the carriers never mention this? And you gotta love Telstra. Their network is "capable of" 21Mb/s, as long as you don't actually want to use a wireless device to access it, since none exist outside some development lab somewhere.
What's the point if you can't stream porn on an iphone? Seriously.
I?m sure there was iPhone optimized porn sites within a week of its launch.
I welcome AT&T upgrading their infrastructure, but it bothers me if it comes at the expense of current functionality.
That does suck, but progress isn?t always without obstacles.
I don't believe a word that comes out of AT&T's mouth. I'll believe it when I see it.
I?ve noticed significant speed increases this year. I have maxed out at 3Mbps down and 1.4Mbps up, while I?d say I now average over 1Mbps up and down.
if they upgrade to 7.2 network, what about our present iphone 3g? the best i ever gotten was 1.4 (eastern freakin ky has 1.4 yo!)
the chip can go to 3.6 so where is my 2.4 left over i'd love to get 3.6 or even 3.0
so do you cut in half the max you'll "really" get so what's the point??
The current iPhone 3G will still have the same 3.6Mbps HSPDA. The next iPhone is reportedly getting a 7.2Mbps HSUPA, which will allow for up to 2.0Mbps uploads. Of course, you?ll never get that bandwidth on such slow HW.
Doesn't HSPA+ have a 21 mbps theoretical peak speed downstream?
HSPA+ does 21Mbit today, 42Mbit later this year and 58Mbit next year.
Isn't LTE's theoretical peak speed downstream well over 100 mbps?
The first LTE chips support 150Mbit down, but the first release of the network standard supports over 320Mbit
LTE-Advanced takes that to over a gigabit.
What about websites? I'll check the same sites daily & there will be days where the network is fine
& then are days when nothing will load or will load with crazy-long lag. What's worse is that some of
these sites are formatted for the iPhone. They're literally a small logo & text. They should load in a few seconds.
When the network bogs down, I tend to see this message often:
CANNOT OPEN PAGE
Safari Could not open the page because the server stopped responding.
(This just happened a couple minutes ago while I had 3 bars of 3G.)
depends on the site
some sites are cached using akamai and similar technologies and there are multiple copies around the internet. youtube is not.
HSPA+ does 21Mbit today, 42Mbit later this year and 58Mbit next year.
You mean Today in EU and Asia!
In EU and Asia 7.2 is now Mainstream (in most of the key market)
and upgrade is in progress for 21.
US as usual is well beyond!
HSPA deployment
A lot of the new Equipment that is being deployed is LTE ready
so most of the work in 21mps will prove a good infrastructure for LTE when
will be activated (and spectrum acquired)
from Wiki Article:
The standard includes:
* Peak download rates of 326.4 Mbit/s for 4x4 antennas, 172.8 Mbit/s for 2x2 antennas for every 20 MHz of spectrum.
* Peak upload rates of 86.4 Mbit/s for every 20 MHz of spectrum.
Source: 3GPP LTE: Introducing Single-Carrier FDMA
how long YouTube clip takes to buffer doesn't depend on the signal strength at the point of iPhone location. It seems to depend on where - on which server - geographically the video is cached.
no errr well yes but
it depends on many varibles . the most important is have far is her from the tower or fiber box .
i am in nyc staten island 200 feet from the fios box . the speed is blazingt fast .yet some one one mile away tied to the same box gets on high traffic times 1/2 my speed .
Nonsense. AT&T says it has 3G coverage in 350 markets, and the fact that they've deployed it here in Fort Wayne, IN, not exactly exactly the hub of the known universe, supports their assertion.
3g is in lots of smaller podunks in Indiana that make Ft Wayne look like Mexico City, problem is 3g is worthless if it is nearly the same speed as edge, and WAY WAY WAY slower than VZ EVDO that is in all the same areas.
I live in a heavy population area, lots of apts and stuff so I probably am connected to a loaded base station but I still feel ripped off as my friends pay less for the same preformance with the iphone first gen edge plan.
look up "iPhone Porn Grid" on your iphone browser in google
Ta Ta Voila
Streamed porn
Creamed Corn
et al!
Yeah but you still have to look at ads and stuff right? Something like the youtube player but for porn would be nice
Because wouldn't it just be awsome that when your at home you can use your personal wifi for calling on the phone? Is that possible? Could/would they do that?
Search the appstore for Skype, Nimbuzz or Truephone. All three can act as Skype clients on your iPhone (and all three have a lousy sound quality and fail to make the call in 9 out of 10 cases, in my limited testing at least).
Your present iPhone's hardware only does 3.6, so you will never see 7.2. Or 3.6 for that matter. A little something that is never mentioned in discussions about wireless bandwidth.
There have been people showing screenshots of their current iPhones of Internet speed test apps that showed rates around 6 Mb/s. Naturally not in the U.S., since AT&T does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s yet. I really do not understand why people keep ignoring such evidence and continue to claim that the current iPhone does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s.
There have been people showing screenshots of their current iPhones of Internet speed test apps that showed rates around 6 Mb/s. Naturally not in the U.S., since AT&T does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s yet. I really do not understand why people keep ignoring such evidence and continue to claim that the current iPhone does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s.
I?ve only seen 3Mbps down on AT&T?s network. I think we?re under the impression that the HSDPA radio in the device is only capable of 3.6Mbps, hence the assertion.
There has been plenty of links stating the 3.6 speed. If you have some stating otherwise, please post them.At the very least, we should be getting 7.2Mbps HSDPA and 2.0Mbps HSUPA in the next model.
towers?
I’ve only seen 3Mbps down on AT&T’s network.
Which does not tell you anything in regard to whether the iPhone is limited to 3.6 or 7.2 because we know that no phone can go faster than 3.6 Mbps on AT&T's network.
I think we’re under the impression that the HSDPA radio in the device is only capable of 3.6Mbps, hence the assertion.
There has been plenty of links stating the 3.6 speed. If you have some stating otherwise, please post them.
The link you posted only states that the iPhone is capable of the 3.6 standard (or in other words that is maximum speed is higher than 1.8). It does not state that 3.6 is the iPhone's maximum.
Here is the screenshot:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...14#post7316614
And here is the chip the current iPhone is reported to use (which does 7.2):
http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/produ...12ab6ab94205ef
The link you posted only states that the iPhone is capable of the 3.6 standard (or in other words that is maximum speed is higher than 1.8). It does not state that 3.6 is the iPhone's maximum.
Your logic is sound.
Here is the screenshot:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...14#post7316614
And here is the chip the current iPhone is reported to use (which does 7.2):
http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/produ...12ab6ab94205ef
I can’t look at that link at this moment as I’m in a rural area and quite lucky to have the EDGE I have, but I do believe you based on the manner in which you made your post.
What's the point if you can't stream porn on an iphone? Seriously.
Google "iPhone porn" on your phone and pick a site. There are tons. At work, it sure beats taking your laptop into the bathroom.
There have been people showing screenshots of their current iPhones of Internet speed test apps that showed rates around 6 Mb/s. Naturally not in the U.S., since AT&T does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s yet. I really do not understand why people keep ignoring such evidence and continue to claim that the current iPhone does not support anything faster than 3.6 Mb/s.
So we should give more weight to a screenshot, a set of pixels, which are set it in stone, of course, not manipulatable by software or anything, versus the physical impossibility of the hardware doing what you're suggesting.
The other possibility is that compression was being used over the link, but I think the more likely explanation is that it's bullshit.
So we should give more weight to a screenshot, a set of pixels, which are set it in stone, of course, not manipulatable by software or anything, versus the physical impossibility of the hardware doing what you're suggesting.
Words typed by humans suggesting the physical impossibility. There might be people simple making things up and writing forum post declaring the physical impossibility and there might be a second set of people creating fake screenshots.
Show me one claim that cites an authorative source, eg, a chipset specification, a test with two smartphones on the same network with one showing the network is capable of 7.2 Mbps and the other showing that the iPhone is stuck below 3.6 Mbps.
Words typed by humans suggesting the physical impossibility. There might be people simple making things up and writing forum post declaring the physical impossibility and there might be a second set of people creating fake screenshots.
Show me one claim that cites an authorative source, eg, a chipset specification, a test with two smartphones on the same network with one showing the network is capable of 7.2 Mbps and the other showing that the iPhone is stuck below 3.6 Mbps.
You're a fucking idiot. Really. Do you think these things happen by accident? Apple spent time and money building a phone to a secret set of specifications, then lied to the FCC about those specifications and lied to their customers? Actions with huge consequences. For what reason? To make your infantile fantasies come true? So you can live in a world where magic happens? Your phone is suddenly better than it is?
Get a grip.
You're a fucking idiot. Really. Do you think these things happen by accident? Apple spent time and money building a phone to a secret set of specifications, then lied to the FCC about those specifications and lied to their customers? Actions with huge consequences. For what reason? To make your infantile fantasies come true? So you can live in a world where magic happens? Your phone is suddenly better than it is?
Get a grip.
lol
dude my sides are splitting ..