I think the point is that sinking a ton of development cost into Soundtrack Pro for a suite that most people buy for the editor is money that many would rather see spent elsewhere. No one buys FC Studio for STP. I've never run into a Soundtrack Pro freelancer, nor do any facilities I know of (and that's a modest sampling) have STP suites. Mandating the use of Pro Tools, for us, means that our options for changes or remastering are open years down the line, even if we're producing the project through a subsidiary production company (or a contracted one). However, we're also using Final Cut, which has a ton of media management issues on its own. So I can't say I blame you for trying to save a ton of money because we did the same thing by going with FC. FC has saved our asses several times by allowing us to quickly turnaround mixed format/frame rate projects, only to burn us on media management (and the occasional completely unrendered timeline). I really think Apple needs to bulletproof FC, and I would shed no tears for STP if they dropped it and focused on FC.
Hear, hear! And even better: Apple hows about letting us a la carte the components of FCS? All I would need is FC + Compressor + Color. Maybe DVDSP on some systems. I don't want Motion and Live Type clogging up my system drives with a pant load of media files we never use. And I don't want to pay for them either.
Hear, hear! And even better: Apple hows about letting us a la carte the components of FCS? All I would need is FC + Compressor + Color. Maybe DVDSP on some systems. I don't want Motion and Live Type clogging up my system drives with a pant load of media files we never use. And I don't want to pay for them either.
Then no one would buy motion or live type lol. The package is cheap enough as it to not need to part out the pieces. As it is FCS is only 200 more than After Effects alone. It's double the price of premier (last time I checked) so I don't see buying only FCP + Compressor + Color saving you any significant money.
Then no one would buy motion or live type lol. The package is cheap enough as it to not need to part out the pieces. As it is FCS is only 200 more than After Effects alone. It's double the price of premier (last time I checked) so I don't see buying only FCP + Compressor + Color saving you any significant money.
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The assumption is that Apple would discount FCS at all. Let's not forget that Color nee FinalTouch was $20k in the HD form prior to Apple's acquisition. I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. FCS is and will remain a fantastic deal. If they only had a solid AE competitor.
Agreed. If anything, the problem with the FCS and Logic Studio packages is that Apple has made them too cheap, and is more interested in selling them in quantity to people who don't truly need "pro" than they are in competing at the high end.
I'd love to see FCS and Logic as the best apps of their kind money can buy, and at one point that looked like Apple's goal, but it seems more and more that Apple is settling for "pretty good" and assuming that people will cut them more slack since the apps are such a good deal (and to some degree, people are).
Hi, I am new here and love these ideas!, I posted a thread called "On The Fence", the other day about rumors of FCS 3 in Apple FCS Forum, and the sensor Police, took it off the Forum, and they comb the forums looking for anything the don"t want to be talked about such "Blu Ray Support" in FCS 3. All I was trying to do was get a feel of what is going to happen in the coming months with DVDSP, and FCS 3. I have been trying to decide whether to wait see if the release will include Blu Ray authoring or not, before I have to go out and build a totally new i7 Quad Core windows machine to author BR Discs for wedding Videography. I have the capability to burn on my Mac Quad now with Toast 10, but I really would like to make menus etc. If I went the windows route, then I still would have to buy another DVD Blu Ray burner also for the new machine, as well as a external drive just to transfer the movie file the I edited and created on my Mac Quad., anyways, sorry to ramble, but what would you do? wait for Apple to get their @^#@ together? or build a new machine to run windows apps?
Thank You All for you Imput, and this forum is great! Tim C.
I have been trying to decide whether to wait see if the release will include Blu Ray authoring or not, before I have to go out and build a totally new i7 Quad Core windows machine to author BR Discs for wedding Videography. I have the capability to burn on my Mac Quad now with Toast 10, but I really would like to make menus etc.
If I went the windows route, then I still would have to buy another DVD Blu Ray burner also for the new machine, as well as a external drive just to transfer the movie file the I edited and created on my Mac Quad., anyways, sorry to ramble, but what would you do? wait for Apple to get their @^#@ together? or build a new machine to run windows apps?
If you have a Quad Mac Pro, you can simply install Windows via Bootcamp and reboot to author the movies and you can install software that allows you to access the Mac partition so that you can get your files over without an external.
You might even get away with using virtualization software (VMWare, Parallels) for authoring but you can't play back Blu-Ray movies on disc. Perhaps that's just a limitation with encrypted movies though - movies that you burn yourself may not have that limitation.
If you have a G5 quad, the options aren't so good. I don't see Apple bringing out a new Final Cut with Blu-Ray support before the hardware gets the drives. I also don't see a new Final Cut coming before Snow Leopard, which is due in September - I think given all their work with OpenCL and the move to OpenCL compatible GPUs as well as 64-bit, it wouldn't be a good move to avoid taking advantage of those developments. Image processing is one area OpenCL will excel at and most of Apple's Pro apps - Final Cut Pro, Aperture, Color, Shake, Motion can all benefit from this considerably.
In the developer tools, Apple bundles Quartz composer and you can see how fast the hardware acceleration is for image processing.
Trouble is, a 64-bit version with hardware acceleration will be limited not only to Snow Leopard but by extension Intel-only machines.
Nonetheless, this would be a pretty impressive demo, just in time for CES 2010 in January.
I have a Mac G5 Quad, so it looks like I am screwed? drag, and I love my machine, hell, I might have to build a windblows one now
Might not be such a bad idea not just because Blu-ray authoring is not available in FCS yet but because there may be other tools you can leverage on the PC.
I have a Mac G5 Quad, so it looks like I am screwed? drag, and I love my machine, hell, I might have to build a windblows one now
Either that or sell the G5 and upgrade to a Mac Pro. This way you'd not only be able to run Windows on it avoiding copying over ethernet etc (assuming you still edit on the Mac) but when 10.6 arrives, you'll be able to take advantage of any hardware acceleration they may have thrown in.
10.6 isn't supported on the G5, effectively making the G5 obsolete beyond September as far as future upgrades go. It's best to sell before September for this reason. Unfortunately, the Mac Pros went up in price considerably this time round but you might be able to pick up a decent refurbished model:
Either that or sell the G5 and upgrade to a Mac Pro. This way you'd not only be able to run Windows on it avoiding copying over ethernet etc (assuming you still edit on the Mac) but when 10.6 arrives, you'll be able to take advantage of any hardware acceleration they may have thrown in.
10.6 isn't supported on the G5, effectively making the G5 obsolete beyond September as far as future upgrades go. It's best to sell before September for this reason. Unfortunately, the Mac Pros went up in price considerably this time round but you might be able to pick up a decent refurbished model:
Well, I am going to try to sell my Quad staring at $2300, and see what I can get, thouth that may seem high, but its a starting point anyways get a Mac Pro, for these updates in the future,
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I think the point is that sinking a ton of development cost into Soundtrack Pro for a suite that most people buy for the editor is money that many would rather see spent elsewhere. No one buys FC Studio for STP. I've never run into a Soundtrack Pro freelancer, nor do any facilities I know of (and that's a modest sampling) have STP suites. Mandating the use of Pro Tools, for us, means that our options for changes or remastering are open years down the line, even if we're producing the project through a subsidiary production company (or a contracted one). However, we're also using Final Cut, which has a ton of media management issues on its own. So I can't say I blame you for trying to save a ton of money because we did the same thing by going with FC. FC has saved our asses several times by allowing us to quickly turnaround mixed format/frame rate projects, only to burn us on media management (and the occasional completely unrendered timeline). I really think Apple needs to bulletproof FC, and I would shed no tears for STP if they dropped it and focused on FC.
Hear, hear! And even better: Apple hows about letting us a la carte the components of FCS? All I would need is FC + Compressor + Color. Maybe DVDSP on some systems. I don't want Motion and Live Type clogging up my system drives with a pant load of media files we never use. And I don't want to pay for them either.
Hear, hear! And even better: Apple hows about letting us a la carte the components of FCS? All I would need is FC + Compressor + Color. Maybe DVDSP on some systems. I don't want Motion and Live Type clogging up my system drives with a pant load of media files we never use. And I don't want to pay for them either.
Then no one would buy motion or live type lol. The package is cheap enough as it to not need to part out the pieces. As it is FCS is only 200 more than After Effects alone. It's double the price of premier (last time I checked) so I don't see buying only FCP + Compressor + Color saving you any significant money.
Then no one would buy motion or live type lol. The package is cheap enough as it to not need to part out the pieces. As it is FCS is only 200 more than After Effects alone. It's double the price of premier (last time I checked) so I don't see buying only FCP + Compressor + Color saving you any significant money.
+1
The assumption is that Apple would discount FCS at all. Let's not forget that Color nee FinalTouch was $20k in the HD form prior to Apple's acquisition. I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. FCS is and will remain a fantastic deal. If they only had a solid AE competitor.
I'd love to see FCS and Logic as the best apps of their kind money can buy, and at one point that looked like Apple's goal, but it seems more and more that Apple is settling for "pretty good" and assuming that people will cut them more slack since the apps are such a good deal (and to some degree, people are).
Thank You All for you Imput, and this forum is great! Tim C.
I have been trying to decide whether to wait see if the release will include Blu Ray authoring or not, before I have to go out and build a totally new i7 Quad Core windows machine to author BR Discs for wedding Videography. I have the capability to burn on my Mac Quad now with Toast 10, but I really would like to make menus etc.
If I went the windows route, then I still would have to buy another DVD Blu Ray burner also for the new machine, as well as a external drive just to transfer the movie file the I edited and created on my Mac Quad., anyways, sorry to ramble, but what would you do? wait for Apple to get their @^#@ together? or build a new machine to run windows apps?
If you have a Quad Mac Pro, you can simply install Windows via Bootcamp and reboot to author the movies and you can install software that allows you to access the Mac partition so that you can get your files over without an external.
You might even get away with using virtualization software (VMWare, Parallels) for authoring but you can't play back Blu-Ray movies on disc. Perhaps that's just a limitation with encrypted movies though - movies that you burn yourself may not have that limitation.
If you have a G5 quad, the options aren't so good. I don't see Apple bringing out a new Final Cut with Blu-Ray support before the hardware gets the drives. I also don't see a new Final Cut coming before Snow Leopard, which is due in September - I think given all their work with OpenCL and the move to OpenCL compatible GPUs as well as 64-bit, it wouldn't be a good move to avoid taking advantage of those developments. Image processing is one area OpenCL will excel at and most of Apple's Pro apps - Final Cut Pro, Aperture, Color, Shake, Motion can all benefit from this considerably.
In the developer tools, Apple bundles Quartz composer and you can see how fast the hardware acceleration is for image processing.
Trouble is, a 64-bit version with hardware acceleration will be limited not only to Snow Leopard but by extension Intel-only machines.
Nonetheless, this would be a pretty impressive demo, just in time for CES 2010 in January.
You might even get away with using virtualization software (VMWare, Parallels) for authoring
You can. That's what I do.
I have a Mac G5 Quad, so it looks like I am screwed? drag, and I love my machine, hell, I might have to build a windblows one now
Might not be such a bad idea not just because Blu-ray authoring is not available in FCS yet but because there may be other tools you can leverage on the PC.
I have a Mac G5 Quad, so it looks like I am screwed? drag, and I love my machine, hell, I might have to build a windblows one now
Either that or sell the G5 and upgrade to a Mac Pro. This way you'd not only be able to run Windows on it avoiding copying over ethernet etc (assuming you still edit on the Mac) but when 10.6 arrives, you'll be able to take advantage of any hardware acceleration they may have thrown in.
10.6 isn't supported on the G5, effectively making the G5 obsolete beyond September as far as future upgrades go. It's best to sell before September for this reason. Unfortunately, the Mac Pros went up in price considerably this time round but you might be able to pick up a decent refurbished model:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB...mco=MjE0NDk5Mw
Either that or sell the G5 and upgrade to a Mac Pro. This way you'd not only be able to run Windows on it avoiding copying over ethernet etc (assuming you still edit on the Mac) but when 10.6 arrives, you'll be able to take advantage of any hardware acceleration they may have thrown in.
10.6 isn't supported on the G5, effectively making the G5 obsolete beyond September as far as future upgrades go. It's best to sell before September for this reason. Unfortunately, the Mac Pros went up in price considerably this time round but you might be able to pick up a decent refurbished model:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB...mco=MjE0NDk5Mw
Well, I am going to try to sell my Quad staring at $2300, and see what I can get, thouth that may seem high, but its a starting point anyways get a Mac Pro, for these updates in the future,
Thank You all for your imput, T.
I bought a new Mac Pro Octo today, had to bite the bullet, and I think I will get a trade in on this purchase if I dont sell the Quad first
Thank You All, TimC.