By the way, now they could fit a FireWire connector on the 13" ones, couldn't they?!
I know, there were so many postings of Apple apologists who insisted that Firewire had to be dropped on that last MacBook revision because there was just 'no room on the computer' (/ports/mobo/whatever) for it. Patently ridiculous logic, but oh well.
Does kind of show that some folks will try to justify anything that Apple does -- probably with good intention, hoping to make the products more popular.
The other thing it shows, and I am quite pleased (glad/relieved) that Apple was willing to quietly admit its design mistake, and make sure the next MacBook portable model re-added a FireWire connection back in. I guess they now declare it to be part of the MacBook Pro family in part to save face on that change.
Oh well, however they want to label, at least they got that port part right.
Apple could rationalize not having FW800 on the unibody MB because it is not a "Pro" machine. NOW, Apple cannot rationalize NOT having FW800 on a "Pro" branded machine.
Shhhhh! Keep it quiet I don't want him to hear this, but I think the 13" MBP may be the replacement for my 12" rev A G4 PowerBook 867mHz known affectionately as, Minime.
Alas Minime, I knew ye well. Long live the new Minime.
Shhhhh! Keep it quiet I don't want him to hear this, but I think the 13" MBP may be the replacement for my 12" rev A G4 PowerBook 867mHz known affectionately as, Minime.
Alas Minime, I knew ye well. Long live the new Minime.
The 867MHz 12" PowerBook was my first Mac, and the 12" PB is my favorite laptop of all time.
I know, there were so many postings of Apple apologists who insisted that Firewire had to be dropped on that last MacBook revision because there was just 'no room on the computer' (/ports/mobo/whatever) for it. Patently ridiculous logic, but oh well.
Does kind of show that some folks will try to justify anything that Apple does -- probably with good intention, hoping to make the products more popular.
Yup. That's the Apple Apologista Squad™- very loud, very... *ahem*... 'creative' in their reasoning, and quite often, very wrong.
They mean well, but they just gotta stop pulling justifications for absolutely anything Apple does out of their arses. I used to be that way too, and at some point, you have to put down the kool-aid and cheer Apple on responsibly.
Apple finally did the right thing on Firewire and pricing, and I for one could not be happier 'bout it. Nice job, Apple n' Steve.
People don't get a choice with PC laptops either. They are all glossy too, and none of them complain about it.
Someone forgot to tell HP about that, because I've bought two HP laptops in the last couple of months that each had non-glossy screens.
Your comment about blurring is BS too. The non-glossy LG screen I have connected to my iMac has a significantly cleaner sharper image than the glossy screen on the iMac, and a wider viewing angle. The non-gloss screen is flat out better, for literally everything.
Someone forgot to tell HP about that, because I've bought two HP laptops in the last couple of months that each had non-glossy screens.
Your comment about blurring is BS too. The non-glossy LG screen I have connected to my iMac has a significantly cleaner sharper image than the glossy screen on the iMac, and a wider viewing angle. The non-gloss screen is flat out better, for literally everything.
99% of PC laptops are glossy though.
However, the idea that glossy screens generally have wider viewing angles is ludicrous. If nothing else, the extra glare limits the viewing angle.
For mediocre LCDs, I actually prefer glossy because it gives them artificially enhanced (but inaccurate) color saturation and contrast. For truly good LCDs like the higher-end desktop models and HDTV, matte rules.
People have been whining for months that they wanted a 15" MacBook.
They've been given a 15" MacBook, and as a bonus it also comes with FW800, 7 hours of battery, a better display and an SD card slot.
That's why I said that people got the 15" MacBook they wanted. It wasn't about the lack of EC or discrete graphics.
Yes, the low end 15" MBP is the 15" MB in disguise. It's a good thing, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by teckstud
I couldn't agrre with you more. I been waiting 2 years for this. I could care less now about a tablet becuase this was what I wanted all along. The screen glare will be less now that they've improved the screen itself. Everything is great- even the battery. And an SD slot! Small form factor is where it's at!
lol, halp! the sky is falling in!
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Originally Posted by teckstud
You're missing one big important factor. The previous inferior glossy 13" screen showed more glare because the screen was inferior. Now that has all changed even though it remains glossy.
empirical evidence?
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Originally Posted by applebook
Apple could rationalize not having FW800 on the unibody MB because it is not a "Pro" machine. NOW, Apple cannot rationalize NOT having FW800 on a "Pro" branded machine.
Definitely. I'm glad FW is back on the 13", but at the time I could see Apple's rationale for removing it.
The removal of the express card slot from the 15" is the only low-light of the updates. It's work-around-able, but unfortunate.
I'm very happy with the price drop for the 17", i won't bother going the refurb now...
You people have a narrow idea of what a professional machine is. Why would a professional only use a 17? machine? What would a professional needing a 15? high-quality display with longevity need with a crappy 10? TN display on a crappy Atom powered notebook, simply because it has some port for a card? I can see it for a tech guy on the move who an plug in to outlets often, but for anything requiring actual remote usage and a nice quality display with good performance it won?t do the job. Pro means professional. If you can supply proof that Pro in any way refers to expandability I?m willing to hear you out.
Isn't eSATA much faster than USB 2? I use Time Machine with an ExpressCard eSATA card. I'm sure glad I got the current generation 15" MBP.
I can see giving up the ExpressCard slot when USB 3.0 comes out, but not yet with just USB 2.0.
The drop had two likely classes of cause: (1) twitchy momentum or day traders who see any change as a sell signal and (2) people who look at price drops and immediately translate that into profit loss. Those people are bad at understanding marketing and did not rule the day. The eventual net (it closed 83 cents down on the day, so it actually "crept back" $4.17 of that reported $5). Tell me, do you actually consider $5 on $144 "tanking"? And look at the 5-day. Even the drop simply brought it back to pre-anticipation levels. By the end of the day, AAPL was back to the price it had most of the end of last week with anticipation of today's announcements. So they lived up to the hype. Not bad.
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Originally Posted by rain
Firewire may be back, but so are glossy screens.
Apple stock tanked $5 on the news of the Macbook Pro's (which is warranted), and crept back 80 cents on the news of these.
Lets see if they can tell us something today to recover.
There was plenty of "it can't be done, there is no room and you don't need it anyway" going around like swine flu - contagious, annoying, alarming and just a big fizzle.
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Originally Posted by Rokken
Wasn't it stated before that FW was technically impossible in previous version because the internal space was too jammed, and it could be added by adopting the non-user removable battery? By the way, all FW have been eliminated in all Macs so far are FW400 and previous MacBook did not have FW800 so adding FW800 doesn't seem like a return but an upgrade to me.
I am really tempted by the new MacBook (Pro) because of the longer battery life, backlit keyboard in base model and lower price point. Guess I'll have to get on with it..
Canadians do get screwed on the exchange rate though. The prices for the base 13" MBP and the 15" MBP are the SAME as before
Ouch, we got screwed, Canucks!
Quit your f' complaining. I have been saying for some time now that the Canadian prices were significantly lower than the US.
Incidentally, the 15-inch:2.8 is only $35 CDN more than in the US at today's exchange rate. Calling that being screwed, is like a self-admission that your prostitutorial standards are pretty low.
Quit your f' complaining. I have been saying for some time now that the Canadian prices were significantly lower than the US.
Incidentally, the 15-inch:2.8 is only $35 CDN more than in the US at today's exchange rate. Calling that being screwed, is like a self-admission that your prostitutorial standards are pretty low.
I apologize for offending you. Your classiness is a credit to all Americans.
What you fail to realize is that, despite the dropping U$ dollar, Apple lowered the prices in America, by an enormous margin in some cases, yet kept the base model Canadian prices intact. I guess Canadians are supposed to be cheery and say nothing, huh?
$1199 MacBook = $1332 CDN ($67 difference)
$1699 15" = $1888 ($111 difference)
Some idiots like you also don't understand that Canadians and Europeans pay very high taxes too.
...and some Mac fans actually question why Apple products are synonymous with expen$ive.
I apologize for offending you. Your classiness is a credit to all Americans.
What you fail to realize is that, despite the dropping U$ dollar, Apple lowered the prices in America, by an enormous margin in some cases, yet kept the base model Canadian prices intact. I guess Canadians are supposed to be cheery and say nothing, huh?
$1199 MacBook = $1332 CDN ($67 difference)
$1699 15" = $1888 ($111 difference)
Some idiots like you also don't understand that Canadians and Europeans pay very high taxes too.
...and some Mac fans actually question why Apple products are synonymous with expen$ive.
On March 25, 2009, I wrote, "For example, a Macbook Pro 15' lists for $1999 in the US or $1743 (US) in Canada." A price difference that was in effect for some time. So who was being screwed?
By the way, I live in the 416 area code. And have for most of my life, having been born here.
Well any eye is going to have problems focusing if there are two slightly out of focus images right next to each other.
Look at your computer monitor for about 30 seconds and then look at something across the room.
Notice it takes a little bit of time to focus in the distance? It gets slower as you get older.
Lots of work going on there, now imagine it being done repeately as your watching a glossy display with slightly out of focus reflections and you get the idea.
Sure it's more pronounced on older eyes and those with eye trouble, even Steve Jobs wears glasses.
Should he be denied, along with millions of other cash rich baby boom generation folks, the ability to use a computer because their eyesight isn't perfect?
Apple is screwing themselves.
I work at my computers at least 10 hours a day. All of them with the exception of one Macbook Pro are glossy. Never again will I go matte.
Having built graphic studios over the past 25 years, as long as the monitor has more light emitting from behind and from it than the light being directed on it from the front, the amount of reflection is virtually nil.
Sit in front of your screen shut off, and as long as there is light in the room, you'll see your reflection. Turn the screen on, and voila, the reflection diminishes relative to the difference in the amount of light emitted from object in front of the screen and that generated from the screen.
A simple way to adjust your monitor if reflection is an issue, is to face the back of your screen towards the brightest part of the room. In other words, don't place your monitor with your back to the window. If, when you turn on your screen you see your reflection, a simple 'angle' adjustment may be all that is necessary. If not, reduce the light shining on objects, including yourself, in front of the monitor; and/or increase the brightness of the monitor or the light behind it.
Fortunately, the new backlit Macs basically guarantee that. Which, by the way, is the prime reason they look so great when you use them outside even on a bright sunny day.
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Those are some nice, solid updates. And the SSD (and faster processor) on the Air is only an extra $300? How times have changed.
Exactly my thought. I was surprise no body mention much of it.
$300 + , you get a faster processors AND 128GB SSD....
i thought the higher price Macbook Air is a much better deal. In fact, if you compare to others it is a "steal"
By the way, now they could fit a FireWire connector on the 13" ones, couldn't they?!
I know, there were so many postings of Apple apologists who insisted that Firewire had to be dropped on that last MacBook revision because there was just 'no room on the computer' (/ports/mobo/whatever) for it. Patently ridiculous logic, but oh well.
Does kind of show that some folks will try to justify anything that Apple does -- probably with good intention, hoping to make the products more popular.
The other thing it shows, and I am quite pleased (glad/relieved) that Apple was willing to quietly admit its design mistake, and make sure the next MacBook portable model re-added a FireWire connection back in. I guess they now declare it to be part of the MacBook Pro family in part to save face on that change.
Oh well, however they want to label, at least they got that port part right.
Apple could rationalize not having FW800 on the unibody MB because it is not a "Pro" machine. NOW, Apple cannot rationalize NOT having FW800 on a "Pro" branded machine.
Alas Minime, I knew ye well. Long live the new Minime.
Shhhhh! Keep it quiet I don't want him to hear this, but I think the 13" MBP may be the replacement for my 12" rev A G4 PowerBook 867mHz known affectionately as, Minime.
Alas Minime, I knew ye well. Long live the new Minime.
The 867MHz 12" PowerBook was my first Mac, and the 12" PB is my favorite laptop of all time.
Ouch, we got screwed, Canucks!
I know, there were so many postings of Apple apologists who insisted that Firewire had to be dropped on that last MacBook revision because there was just 'no room on the computer' (/ports/mobo/whatever) for it. Patently ridiculous logic, but oh well.
Does kind of show that some folks will try to justify anything that Apple does -- probably with good intention, hoping to make the products more popular.
Yup. That's the Apple Apologista Squad™- very loud, very... *ahem*... 'creative' in their reasoning, and quite often, very wrong.
They mean well, but they just gotta stop pulling justifications for absolutely anything Apple does out of their arses. I used to be that way too, and at some point, you have to put down the kool-aid and cheer Apple on responsibly.
Apple finally did the right thing on Firewire and pricing, and I for one could not be happier 'bout it. Nice job, Apple n' Steve.
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People don't get a choice with PC laptops either. They are all glossy too, and none of them complain about it.
Someone forgot to tell HP about that, because I've bought two HP laptops in the last couple of months that each had non-glossy screens.
Your comment about blurring is BS too. The non-glossy LG screen I have connected to my iMac has a significantly cleaner sharper image than the glossy screen on the iMac, and a wider viewing angle. The non-gloss screen is flat out better, for literally everything.
Someone forgot to tell HP about that, because I've bought two HP laptops in the last couple of months that each had non-glossy screens.
Your comment about blurring is BS too. The non-glossy LG screen I have connected to my iMac has a significantly cleaner sharper image than the glossy screen on the iMac, and a wider viewing angle. The non-gloss screen is flat out better, for literally everything.
99% of PC laptops are glossy though.
However, the idea that glossy screens generally have wider viewing angles is ludicrous. If nothing else, the extra glare limits the viewing angle.
For mediocre LCDs, I actually prefer glossy because it gives them artificially enhanced (but inaccurate) color saturation and contrast. For truly good LCDs like the higher-end desktop models and HDTV, matte rules.
People have been whining for months that they wanted a 15" MacBook.
They've been given a 15" MacBook, and as a bonus it also comes with FW800, 7 hours of battery, a better display and an SD card slot.
That's why I said that people got the 15" MacBook they wanted. It wasn't about the lack of EC or discrete graphics.
Yes, the low end 15" MBP is the 15" MB in disguise. It's a good thing, in my opinion.
I couldn't agrre with you more. I been waiting 2 years for this. I could care less now about a tablet becuase this was what I wanted all along. The screen glare will be less now that they've improved the screen itself. Everything is great- even the battery. And an SD slot! Small form factor is where it's at!
lol, halp! the sky is falling in!
You're missing one big important factor. The previous inferior glossy 13" screen showed more glare because the screen was inferior. Now that has all changed even though it remains glossy.
empirical evidence?
Apple could rationalize not having FW800 on the unibody MB because it is not a "Pro" machine. NOW, Apple cannot rationalize NOT having FW800 on a "Pro" branded machine.
Definitely. I'm glad FW is back on the 13", but at the time I could see Apple's rationale for removing it.
The removal of the express card slot from the 15" is the only low-light of the updates. It's work-around-able, but unfortunate.
I'm very happy with the price drop for the 17", i won't bother going the refurb now...
You people have a narrow idea of what a professional machine is. Why would a professional only use a 17? machine? What would a professional needing a 15? high-quality display with longevity need with a crappy 10? TN display on a crappy Atom powered notebook, simply because it has some port for a card? I can see it for a tech guy on the move who an plug in to outlets often, but for anything requiring actual remote usage and a nice quality display with good performance it won?t do the job. Pro means professional. If you can supply proof that Pro in any way refers to expandability I?m willing to hear you out.
Isn't eSATA much faster than USB 2? I use Time Machine with an ExpressCard eSATA card. I'm sure glad I got the current generation 15" MBP.
I can see giving up the ExpressCard slot when USB 3.0 comes out, but not yet with just USB 2.0.
Firewire may be back, but so are glossy screens.
Apple stock tanked $5 on the news of the Macbook Pro's (which is warranted), and crept back 80 cents on the news of these.
Lets see if they can tell us something today to recover.
Wasn't it stated before that FW was technically impossible in previous version because the internal space was too jammed, and it could be added by adopting the non-user removable battery? By the way, all FW have been eliminated in all Macs so far are FW400 and previous MacBook did not have FW800 so adding FW800 doesn't seem like a return but an upgrade to me.
I am really tempted by the new MacBook (Pro) because of the longer battery life, backlit keyboard in base model and lower price point. Guess I'll have to get on with it..
http://www.adamobydell.com/
Apple MacBook Air
1.86GHz or 2.13GHz
Mac OS X Leopard
2GB 1066MHz DDR3 RAM
Starts at $1499
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...SPECIFICATIONS
Dell Adamo
1.2 GHz or 1.4GHz
Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit
2GB or 4GB 800MHz DDR3 RAM
Starts at $1999
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/t...en&s=dhs&cs=19
It makes zero sense to buy a Dell now!
http://www.adamobydell.com/
It has never made "sense," just "cents."
Canadians do get screwed on the exchange rate though. The prices for the base 13" MBP and the 15" MBP are the SAME as before
Ouch, we got screwed, Canucks!
Quit your f' complaining. I have been saying for some time now that the Canadian prices were significantly lower than the US.
Incidentally, the 15-inch:2.8 is only $35 CDN more than in the US at today's exchange rate. Calling that being screwed, is like a self-admission that your prostitutorial standards are pretty low.
Quit your f' complaining. I have been saying for some time now that the Canadian prices were significantly lower than the US.
Incidentally, the 15-inch:2.8 is only $35 CDN more than in the US at today's exchange rate. Calling that being screwed, is like a self-admission that your prostitutorial standards are pretty low.
I apologize for offending you. Your classiness is a credit to all Americans.
What you fail to realize is that, despite the dropping U$ dollar, Apple lowered the prices in America, by an enormous margin in some cases, yet kept the base model Canadian prices intact. I guess Canadians are supposed to be cheery and say nothing, huh?
$1199 MacBook = $1332 CDN ($67 difference)
$1699 15" = $1888 ($111 difference)
Some idiots like you also don't understand that Canadians and Europeans pay very high taxes too.
...and some Mac fans actually question why Apple products are synonymous with expen$ive.
I apologize for offending you. Your classiness is a credit to all Americans.
What you fail to realize is that, despite the dropping U$ dollar, Apple lowered the prices in America, by an enormous margin in some cases, yet kept the base model Canadian prices intact. I guess Canadians are supposed to be cheery and say nothing, huh?
$1199 MacBook = $1332 CDN ($67 difference)
$1699 15" = $1888 ($111 difference)
Some idiots like you also don't understand that Canadians and Europeans pay very high taxes too.
...and some Mac fans actually question why Apple products are synonymous with expen$ive.
On March 25, 2009, I wrote, "For example, a Macbook Pro 15' lists for $1999 in the US or $1743 (US) in Canada." A price difference that was in effect for some time. So who was being screwed?
By the way, I live in the 416 area code. And have for most of my life, having been born here.
It makes zero sense to buy a Dell now!
http://www.adamobydell.com/
Apple MacBook Air
1.86GHz or 2.13GHz
Mac OS X Leopard
2GB 1066MHz DDR3 RAM
Starts at $1499
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...SPECIFICATIONS
Dell Adamo
1.2 GHz or 1.4GHz
Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit
2GB or 4GB 800MHz DDR3 RAM
Starts at $1999
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/t...en&s=dhs&cs=19
I will be in complete agreement when the MacBook Air is available with 4GB of ram. When it is, I'll buy a second one.
Well any eye is going to have problems focusing if there are two slightly out of focus images right next to each other.
Look at your computer monitor for about 30 seconds and then look at something across the room.
Notice it takes a little bit of time to focus in the distance? It gets slower as you get older.
Lots of work going on there, now imagine it being done repeately as your watching a glossy display with slightly out of focus reflections and you get the idea.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=2417
Sure it's more pronounced on older eyes and those with eye trouble, even Steve Jobs wears glasses.
Should he be denied, along with millions of other cash rich baby boom generation folks, the ability to use a computer because their eyesight isn't perfect?
Apple is screwing themselves.
I work at my computers at least 10 hours a day. All of them with the exception of one Macbook Pro are glossy. Never again will I go matte.
Having built graphic studios over the past 25 years, as long as the monitor has more light emitting from behind and from it than the light being directed on it from the front, the amount of reflection is virtually nil.
Sit in front of your screen shut off, and as long as there is light in the room, you'll see your reflection. Turn the screen on, and voila, the reflection diminishes relative to the difference in the amount of light emitted from object in front of the screen and that generated from the screen.
A simple way to adjust your monitor if reflection is an issue, is to face the back of your screen towards the brightest part of the room. In other words, don't place your monitor with your back to the window. If, when you turn on your screen you see your reflection, a simple 'angle' adjustment may be all that is necessary. If not, reduce the light shining on objects, including yourself, in front of the monitor; and/or increase the brightness of the monitor or the light behind it.
Fortunately, the new backlit Macs basically guarantee that. Which, by the way, is the prime reason they look so great when you use them outside even on a bright sunny day.