Snow Leopard gets richer, thinner, cheaper than Windows 7

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  • Reply 21 of 190
    gtl215gtl215 Posts: 242member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post


    Every single one of us is more rational and clairvoyant than the next guy.



    well, i'm at least more rational and clairvoyant than someone who can't see through the exaggerations written in the article.
  • Reply 22 of 190
    icfireballicfireball Posts: 2,594member
    I don't generally disagree with AppleInsider's anti-PC or pro-Mac positions, nor can I say that I think it's inappropriate given the context of the website, but the propagandized tone of some of their articles can be laughable if not even absurd at times.



    Also, "flamboyant panache" is redundant as "panache" by definition indicates flamboyance.



    That is all.
  • Reply 23 of 190
    xsamplexxsamplex Posts: 214member
    "There's no rules that define how developers must number their software"



    Are you kidding me?



    1. Find some real news to report on.



    2. Learn proper English.



    What a bunch of Apple ball-washers. And I have an all Mac house!
  • Reply 24 of 190
    taurontauron Posts: 911member
    Look, this is the same deal all over again:



    Microsoft relies on marketing and delivers the same shiit all over again with prettier pictures and forces everyone to swallow it.



    Apple relies on innovation and delivers even more breakthrough with a revamped OS that runs laps around Winblows.



    It doesn't matter. Half of this world is stupid and the other half is mostly forced to use Windows due to the stupid half. Perhaps this price slash will win some people over from the dark side.
  • Reply 25 of 190
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by icfireball View Post


    I don't generally disagree with AppleInsider's anti-PC or pro-Mac positions, nor can I say that I think it's inappropriate given the context of the website, but the propagandized tone of some of their articles can be laughable if not even absurd at times.



    Also, "flamboyant panache" is redundant as "panache" by definition indicates flamboyance.



    well try reading this article; which isn't propaGanda from AI -its from a different source with the TRUTH & CONSEQUENCEs of Windoze BLOATWARE and why MICRO$HIT has so many problems..



    then repost here...



    there was a song way back when and it went something like ...

    WAKE UP EVERYBODY NO MORE SLEEPING IN BED...



    The Truth and the Consequences



    Micro$hit cannot prevent interlopers from corrupting the system and the computer hardware resources. Micro$hit can tell you after the fact you need to restore your system because it's been compromised but they can't stop it from happening in the first place. No other operating system does this. It's not a real operating system if you can't protect resources including the system code itself and Windows can't do that. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.



    Ordinary program files can't be protected. Rootkits are installed with the greatest of ease - and without relying on social engineering to escalate privileges. Malware abounds - over 100,000 strains in the wild. And so forth. This is the price to pay for putting a standalone single user system on the Internet without a thought to the safety of one's paying customers.



    Why won't Micro$hit improve things? Because they can't. Because they have so many millions of third party software titles they depend on. These titles would break under a new system. Operating system vendors need a thriving third party software market to survive - but it works the other way around too: if the third party software sector grows too big it can prevent the operating system vendor from making changes that need to be made.



    Micro$hit could ship Windows sandboxed in Linux; but then every Windows user would have access to Linux and third party software would just ignore Windows in the future. Micro$hit would lose their stranglehold on the personal computing market.



    In a world of pervasive networking even an operating system designed for single user use needs multiuser capability because without that any network transaction that can trick a user into running malicious code that will subvert the entire system. Without strong multitasking the ability of an operating system to handle network traffic and run user programs at the same time will be impaired.



    As the designers of BeOS noticed, the requirements of pervasive networking cannot be met without implementing something very close to general purpose timesharing. Single user client operating systems cannot thrive in an Internetted world.



    Windows gets away with having severe deficiencies in these areas only by virtue of having developed a monopoly position before networking became really important and by having a user population that has been conditioned to accept a shocking frequency of crashes and security breaches as normal.



    This is not a stable situation. (and this DOESn't EXIST ON APPLE's MAC OS X LEOPARD)

    - Eric Raymond



    here is the entire article if you care to read...and LEARN something before you post here...

    http://rixstep.com/2/20090326,00.shtml
  • Reply 26 of 190
    BuffyzDeadBuffyzDead Posts: 345member
    I saw this as the requirements under the specs for Snow Leopard:



    OpenCL:

    * NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 8800 GTS, Geforce 9400M, GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce GT 120, GeForce GT 130.

    * ATI Radeon 4850, Radeon 4870



    64-bit support:

    requires a Mac with a 64-bit processor.

    __________________________________________________ _________



    So,

    My iMac 24 has an Nvidia 8800GS not listed above. So I won't be able to take advantage of OpenCL ??



    And is my iMac 24 a 64 bit machine?



    It's the iMac 24 from June 08 3.06Ghz
  • Reply 27 of 190
    jglavinjglavin Posts: 93member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BuffyzDead View Post


    I saw this as the requirements under the specs for Snow Leopard:



    OpenCL:

    * NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 8800 GTS, Geforce 9400M, GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce GT 120, GeForce GT 130.

    * ATI Radeon 4850, Radeon 4870



    64-bit support:

    requires a Mac with a 64-bit processor.

    __________________________________________________ _________



    So,

    My iMac 24 has an Nvidia 8800GS not listed above. So I won't be able to take advantage of OpenCL ??



    And is my iMac 24 a 64 bit machine?



    It's the iMac 24 from June 08 3.06Ghz



    From Apple-History.com:



    "CPU



    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo

    CPU Speed: 2.42/2.66/2.8 GHz (dual core)

    ...

    Data Path Width: 64 bit

    Address Width: 64 bit"



    http://apple-history.com/body.php?pa...=off&order=ASC
  • Reply 28 of 190
    virgil-tb2virgil-tb2 Posts: 1,416member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post


    ... Apple's Snow Leopard needs to offer some real substantive advantage over Win 7 for Apple to continue to grow its market share gradually as it has. ... The one real difference between the two may be their real world speed for everyday use. people really do notice the speed of things they do all the time. Apple made a big deal about SL's speed at WWDC yesterday. and all the test reports note Vista/Win 7 are notably slow/inferior with multitasking, which is a very meaningful issue.



    With the release dates for both new OS just a month apart, Apple has set up a head-to-head SL vs. Win 7 showdown - which is certainly how the media will play the story. Apple must think this is to its advantage.



    if that showdown features speed test vs. speed test with Snow Leopard a clear winner - something even the simpleminded media can understand, like a car race - that would be a big win for Apple and support its continued market growth. we'll see ...



    I can appreciate the hand wringing, but it certainly *is* to Apple's advantage to compare Snow Leopard and Windows 7 "head to head."



    This is exactly what they want and the comparison won't look good for Windows 7. The only current "big item" that Windows 7 does better than Snow Leopard is a few security features (which curiously didn't come up at the keynote). Unless Apple has made zero progress between leopard and Snow Leopard on things like address randomisation, Snow Leopard should blow Windows 7 out of the water on *any* feature and now on price as well.
  • Reply 29 of 190
    abster2coreabster2core Posts: 2,501member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BuffyzDead View Post


    I saw this as the requirements under the specs for Snow Leopard:



    OpenCL:

    * NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT, GeForce 8800 GT, GeForce 8800 GTS, Geforce 9400M, GeForce 9600M GT, GeForce GT 120, GeForce GT 130.

    * ATI Radeon 4850, Radeon 4870



    64-bit support:

    requires a Mac with a 64-bit processor.

    __________________________________________________ _________



    So,

    My iMac 24 has an Nvidia 8800GS not listed above. So I won't be able to take advantage of OpenCL ??



    And is my iMac 24 a 64 bit machine?



    It's the iMac 24 from June 08 3.06Ghz



    All Core 2 Duo's are 64-bit. I believe so are G5's
  • Reply 30 of 190
    dhkostadhkosta Posts: 150member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post


    "Steve Jobs didn't even need to show up at WWDC to disprove the notion that you can never be too rich or too thin"



    Ouch. Isn't that in pretty poor taste considering SJ has a life threatening medical condition that literally proves you CAN be too thin? Or did that go over the head of whoever wrote this?



    I agree. Prince, if it's not classy, nobody cares if it's clever.
  • Reply 31 of 190
    virgil-tb2virgil-tb2 Posts: 1,416member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by xSamplex View Post


    "There's no rules that define how developers must number their software"



    Are you kidding me?



    1. Find some real news to report on.



    2. Learn proper English.



    What a bunch of Apple ball-washers. And I have an all Mac house!



    My advice to you is:
    1. Try making sense (the quote you give makes no sense given what you wrote after it)

    2. Learn to communicate without pornography

  • Reply 32 of 190
    dhkostadhkosta Posts: 150member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post


    If vista never gained traction, does that means OSX has never gained traction ?



    Traction, no. OSX has momentum.
  • Reply 33 of 190
    LMAO at all the comments above!



    I thought it Windows 7.no..........



    Edit:

    My wife, pc user since mid 1980's, switched to Apple (MBP 15) in January 2009 because she would not work with Vista. (Hat tip to Apple One-on-One crew in Austin for making my life great as she learned to think different!) This morning, traveling in NY, watched her work with a laptop running Vista during her presentation and express utter disgust over the experience. Thanks MS for sending my wife so far over the edge she choose Apple. w00t!!
  • Reply 34 of 190
    abster2coreabster2core Posts: 2,501member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post


    All Core 2 Duo's are 64-bit. I believe so are G5's



    Only Intel 66-bit can use it.



    Tons of new stuff on Snow Leopard at http://www.apple.com/macosx/ For example:



    Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard will be available in September 2009. Here’s how to get it.



    With every new Mac.


    When it’s released, every new Mac computer will come with Mac OS X Snow Leopard already installed. You won’t need to do anything.



    Snow Leopard Up-to-Date Program.

    If you purchased a qualifying Mac on or after June 8, 2009, that does not include Mac OS X Snow Leopard, you can upgrade for $9.95.

    Learn more



    Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard.

    If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard, just purchase Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard when it’s available and follow the simple installation instructions.



    Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger.

    If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, purchase the Mac Box Set (when available), which is a single, affordable package that includes Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard; iLife ’09, with the latest versions of iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand, iWeb, and iDVD; and iWork ’09, Apple’s productivity suite for home and office including Pages, Numbers, and Keynote.
  • Reply 35 of 190
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,756member
    200+ posts of pure whine on Neowin:



    http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/0...sy-is-blinding



    Priceless.



    Bertrand Serlet was sooo mean!!!
  • Reply 36 of 190
    irelandireland Posts: 17,760member
    Prince must have dreams about Steve and Bill duking in out, he simply must.
  • Reply 37 of 190
    tiadimundotiadimundo Posts: 153member
    Oh my god...



    First: how you know that Snow Leopard will be cheaper than Windows 7? When you buy a new PC you will get a FREE upgrade to 7 soon. And even owners of old PCs can buy 7 and improve their system without buying new hardware. Snow Leopard only runs on the newest hardware (as you mentioned).



    What's bad of delivering a free preview version of Windows 7 to customers? I smell envy here.



    "Many" users got to downgrade to XP? Many? Where? This was only a very special deal for enterprise customers from some suppliers. And mostly only for netbooks. Show me a < $ 300 netbook that runs Leopard officially, please!



    Apple is rewarding its loyal customers? What? Charging for every single major update even for features that should have been there since 10.0 like the innovative (!) Put Back button in the trash?



    Why is it so difficult for the author to find proper arguments? There are a lot if you just try to think yourselve instead of repeating what Apple says on a marketing event.



    Here are some more questions to ask: when will the Mac see great speech recognition, powerful handwriting recognition (not only for single Chinese characters), Blu-Ray support, full out-of-the-box TV viewing and recording or a resolution indepentend UI like Vista delivers for 2 years now?



    I don't see the benefit of being uncritical to Apple.
  • Reply 38 of 190
    kukukuku Posts: 254member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vinea View Post


    Downward pricing pressure? What downward pricing pressure? Windows is effectively free for most folks because they buy a whole new box every few years.



    Very few folks pay $300 for Vista.



    Before you start nodding your head claiming blasphemy, this is a real and true issue effecting MS.



    this article I believe will sum it up, but other articles will do the same thing.



    http://adage.com/mediaworks/article?article_id=137088



    Basically Netbooks are low low bargin-bin price, and with it the market agenda that "You're not running a computer, you're running a web browser terminal".



    In came an influx of free linux-esque OSs, because, compatibility is suddenly not important. You don't want it to run MS office, exchange, games, or any other of MS's fortes. Thus it was marketed as "Windows free" and consumers lured by the price and size, accepted it.



    And with that acceptance, grew MS alternatives. Gmail, web based desktop publishing, etc (Essensically, baiting people to stop using MS office and other windows monopoly stuff)



    And this lead to a terrible situation for MS. People wanted Windows free machines, because it was percieved as cheaper and willing to use alternatives.



    (just like iphone killing windows mobile licenses)



    This lead to MS cutting license prices (usually XP) to get them on netbooks, essentially destroying their business models. (MS getting rapped at the own game, funny).



    This isn't usually a problem, software is essentially free if no one buys it. But it is, if competitors also cut off future products like Vista (which won't go on netbooks, because it needs to make money).



    And if Apple decides to go playing a price war with windows 7. MS is basically in a situation of fighting it's own tactics, your revenue stream is being cut from behind, and your business model above has suddenly run into roadblocks.



    It's like loosing your job and paying the mortgage. Even if you got lots of cash in the bank, things can eventually dry up, unless you get out of the situation.
  • Reply 39 of 190
    mactrippermactripper Posts: 1,328member
    Hmm...



    Supposedly, Windows 7 will be a free upgrade to Vista, call it Vista SP 2 or 3...(really)



    Apple is possibly countering a M$ attack with their $29 upgrade price for Snow Leopard.





    Very few folks pay $300 for Vista.



    Yea, I'm one of them, Ultimate too (what was I thinking?), so I get Windows 7 free supposedly, if and when VMware gets updated for it.



    It and XP just lies around wasting drive space, except when I need to impress or help a PC loser by using Spaces for each running OS.



    Ubuntu isn't bad, gets updated often, lots of small free programs too. It's no OS X, but a good choice for a low powered netbook and boy is it cheap!
  • Reply 40 of 190
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,756member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TiAdiMundo View Post


    Oh my god...



    First: how you know that Snow Leopard will be cheaper than Windows 7? When you buy a new PC you will get a FREE upgrade to 7 soon. And even owners of old PCs can buy 7 and improve their system without buying new hardware. Snow Leopard only runs on the newest hardware (as you mentioned).



    What's bad of delivering a free preview version of Windows 7 to customers? I smell envy here.



    "Many" users got to downgrade to XP? Many? Where? This was only a very special deal for enterprise customers from some suppliers. And mostly only for netbooks. Show me a < $ 300 netbook that runs Leopard officially, please!



    Apple is rewarding its loyal customers? What? Charging for every single major update even for features that should have been there since 10.0 like the innovative (!) Put Back button in the trash?



    Why is it so difficult for the author to find proper arguments? There are a lot if you just try to think yourselve instead of repeating what Apple says on a marketing event.



    Here are some more questions to ask: when will the Mac see great speech recognition, powerful handwriting recognition (not only for single Chinese characters), Blu-Ray support, full out-of-the-box TV viewing and recording or a resolution indepentend UI like Vista delivers for 2 years now?



    I don't see the benefit of being uncritical to Apple.



    I think you got lost on the way to Winsupersite.



    Here ya go:



    http://www.winsupersite.com/
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