Despite the Oleophobic material or not, and knowing that nothing will erase an oil that lands on the phone, there are some cleaner choices like iKlenz and others that is specifically for the iPhone as a solution to make the iPhone like new again. I wouldn't want to just leave it to some material to somewhat "repel" oil, I Want it ALL off!!
I'm excited about the Cortex A8. This is a great core. ARM has really raised the bar with the Cortex family, to the point that the long-held suspicion that "in the future" all CPUs would be based on ARM, PPC, or x86 is probably coming true sooner than we think. Even on the very low end ARM is cleaning up with the M0 and M3.
This news makes me want to start porting console emulators to the iPhone 3G S. Technically it should have more than enough guts to run even PS2 games (with the new GPU), but human interface limitations may challenge that.
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber
ARM was used in the Newton, was it not? I seem to recall that the series was "Strong ARM" processor. I always liked that clever moniker!
ARM is a company and a line of processors. The StrongARM is quite a bit different than the Cortex A8. In fact, the difference is comparable to that of a Core 2 Duo and a Pentium 1.
Personally, I think Apple has the right idea by not evening publishing CPU, GPU and ram specs.
It's about how the phone performs, how the UI feels, what the entire user experience is. If those things are very satisfactory to me, why should a I care about a string of numbers on some tech site somewhere? And by "me", I mean the average consumer, not tech enthusiasts.
I have no doubt that there will be people claiming that this or that phone is "better" because it has a faster processor or GPU. In fact, I can guarantee there will be the usual "LOL crappy old iPhone with its old hardware LOL" stuff bandied about, because spec list dick measuring is such a popular hobby.
But normal users don't care about that, they care how their hand held computer actually works. If there are annoying pauses and glitches they care; once the system hardware is fast enough to run the UI seamlessly and give you fast app switching, then it's just a great experience and further advances are about supporting more sophisticated apps.
By checking tech sites like AppleInsider regularly and posting over 8,500 posts, you already qualified for "tech enthusiasts" but not one of average consumers :P
I don't understand why so many posters going after specs of CPU, RAM etc. and asking what real world improvements are, when Schiller already listed how many times faster are 3Gs over 3G during the keynote. It doesn't seem likely to me that he posts scam in their own developer conference.
30 seconds after removing it from the box, the screen protector will be applied and it won't make any difference at all.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak
It's great that it's oleophobic, but how resistant is it to scratches?
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s
A big "meh" on the screen coating. I always protect my touch screen devices with a screen protector anyway. Already have a set of three coming from Hong Kong that I ordered on eBay for my 3G S
Just to be picky here ...
You guys know that the iPhone has a tempered glass (almost un-scratchable) screen right?
Plastic screen protectors are for the old style (WinMobile, Treo, etc.) screens which are soft plastic and prone to scratching. The screen protector is more likely to damage your iPhone than protect it and the screen needs no protection in the first place.
Cases are for drop protection, screen protectors are only useful if they wrap around the whole device and provide water damage protection or something. They are otherwise quite useless on the iPhone.
Additionally, with the new coating, the glass would actually be easier to clean "naked," than with the cheap plastic film on top.
Despite the Oleophobic material or not, and knowing that nothing will erase an oil that lands on the phone, there are some cleaner choices like iKlenz and others that is specifically for the iPhone as a solution to make the iPhone like new again. I wouldn't want to just leave it to some material to somewhat "repel" oil, I Want it ALL off!!
Well, that's the whole point of the oleophobic coating to keep oils from adhering so they will wipe right off (like car wax allows water to be wiped off). Cleaners, probably including iKlenz (which is probably mostly alcohol), will most likely take the oleophobic coating off and entirely negate the advantage of having it. Of course, even water might take it off, so it will be interesting to see how well it holds up.
By checking tech sites like AppleInsider regularly and posting over 8,500 posts, you already qualified for "tech enthusiasts" but not one of average consumers :P
Oh, for sure. I just sometimes try to think what things look like from the perspective of the average consumer. Most of my friends, acquaintances and family qualify as such, and if I tried to sell them on the new iPhone based on hardware specs their eyes would glaze over and they'd wonder why I was bothering them.
If they pick up a new iPhone and it seems all snappy and responsive and fun, that's all they care about.
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I don't understand why so many posters going after specs of CPU, RAM etc. and asking what real world improvements are, when Schiller already listed how many times faster are 3Gs over 3G during the keynote. It doesn't seem likely to me that he posts scam in their own developer conference.
I can see why developers want to know, they have to make specific calculations as to what the new hardware can manage. For consumers, "fast" and "responsive" and "fluid" are the only metrics that matter.
I believe that the Pre has a better GPU - iPhone has SGX 520, Pre has SGX530. Of course the clock speeds could be different, never mind the software/driver optimisation quality.
Already the pre is being looked at as a cheap lite feeling plastic future frisbee when i am mad phone. But i wish you good luck with your app filled sprint coverage pre.
You have the number one post for this thread position. For years to come your post will set the over all tone for this topic..Could you at lesst try to be funny. Go back and edit now and make us chuckle.
that the new iPhone 3G S indeed sports an embedded ARM processor that's 50 percent faster that the one employed by its predecessor.
Perhaps on clockspeed alone, but that means nothing.
The 600mhz Cortex-A8 core (ARMv7) in the new iPhone 3GS is a major upgrade --- dual-issue, superscalar, with L2 cache and real SIMD engine. the Cortex-A8 core is roughly 2X AS FAST PER CLOCK as an ARM11 core .So even though it is "only" 600Mhz, it has the processing power of a 1200Mhz ARM11. So In essence, the new iPhone 3GS has nearly three times the raw processing power of the older iPhone 3G.
Similarly, the new PowerVR SGX GPU is going to be 2-3X times faster overall than the MBX Lite in the iPhone 3G.
You should update the article to emphasize the difference between the processors... This is not a minor clock speed bump. I'm sick of all the anti-Apple people on different blogs bashing the new iPhone because it only is a "speedbump".
I'm excited about the Cortex A8. This is a great core. ARM has really raised the bar with the Cortex family, to the point that the long-held suspicion that "in the future" all CPUs would be based on ARM, PPC, or x86 is probably coming true sooner than we think. Even on the very low end ARM is cleaning up with the M0 and M3.
This news makes me want to start porting console emulators to the iPhone 3G S. Technically it should have more than enough guts to run even PS2 games (with the new GPU), but human interface limitations may challenge that.
Well, that's the whole point of the oleophobic coating to keep oils from adhering so they will wipe right off (like car wax allows water to be wiped off). Cleaners, probably including iKlenz (which is probably mostly alcohol), will most likely take the oleophobic coating off and entirely negate the advantage of having it. Of course, even water might take it off, so it will be interesting to see how well it holds up.
The Oleophobic coating is generally something you'd find on plastic and is a part of the curing or manufacture of that plastic.
I don't know how they managed to get this coating on glass instead of plastic, but there is a good chance it's similarly "cured" or baked in and won't come off except through actual abrasion and over a long period of time.
Very nice, I had thought they would use this water-resisting but breathable tech to allow their notebooks better allow through the keyboard. I recall that AI did an article on the patent.
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr
the 3GS' new guts is not just about a faster processor. the entire System On A Chip has been redesigned. here is a great explanation of the details from a guy who really knows his stuff:
No need to be an ass. Anand is quite knowledgeable but AI and his site have very different focuses and clientele. The info that AI and Anand have is about the same, but AI doesn?t shaders, pipeline depth, triangles, etc. just as Anand won?t discuss new Mobileme features in details, Apple?s future business model and the quarterly earning of Apple. I read both sites because they both offer something the other doesn?t.
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Originally Posted by dasein
I thought the 3G had the 620 MHz ARM chip, albeit clocked down. As for RAM, doesn't it also have 128MB, even though roughly half of that is system dedicated?
It does, but the clockspeed in the next iPhone will likely be running at 600MHz, not the ~420MHz that it currently runs at. That is only about 505 faster in clockspeed, but with every other new and improved aspect of the chip architecture you get about 2x the speed.
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Originally Posted by addabox
Personally, I think Apple has the right idea by not evening publishing CPU, GPU and ram specs.
Me too. Besides being fun and generating a buzz within the deep tech community, there is no ay the bulk of their consumers would know what it means if you explained it to them. Even the vast majority of technical people fall short of really understanding HW specs. I am one of them. I have absolutely no clue about GPU power. I couldn?t tell you what a gigaFLOP is or why you need so many FLOPs.
You have the number one post for this thread position. For years to come your post will set the over all tone for this topic..Could you at lesst try to be funny. Go back and edit now and make us chuckle.
There has been a new Teckstud around here as of late and I quite like it. If not for a post here or there are let me know it?s still him I would thought he was a pod person and had an Amber Alert issued for him NYC.
The Oleophobic coating is generally something you'd find on plastic and is a part of the curing or manufacture of that plastic.
I don't know how they managed to get this coating on glass instead of plastic, but there is a good chance it's similarly "cured" or baked in and won't come off except through actual abrasion and over a long period of time.
That's probably true for the most part, but "cleaning solutions" (alcohol) will probably still take it off a lot faster than normal wear.
It's great that it's oleophobic, but how resistant is it to scratches?
Are there really people who don't spend $10 and put a cover on their screen? It's the first thing I did and I wipe the fingerprints off of mine by just rubbing it on my shirt. No big deal...
Actually, it was a three pack of protectors for $20 and I'm on #2 a year later...
Are there really people who don't spend $10 and put a cover on their screen? It's the first thing I did and I wipe the fingerprints off of mine by just rubbing it on my shirt. No big deal...
Actually, it was a three pack of protectors for $20 and I'm on #2 a year later...
I seem to remember some pretty sever scratch tests on the iPhone screen when it first came out. It appeared as if you wold be hard pressed to scratch it with knives.
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This news makes me want to start porting console emulators to the iPhone 3G S. Technically it should have more than enough guts to run even PS2 games (with the new GPU), but human interface limitations may challenge that.
ARM was used in the Newton, was it not? I seem to recall that the series was "Strong ARM" processor. I always liked that clever moniker!
ARM is a company and a line of processors. The StrongARM is quite a bit different than the Cortex A8. In fact, the difference is comparable to that of a Core 2 Duo and a Pentium 1.
Personally, I think Apple has the right idea by not evening publishing CPU, GPU and ram specs.
It's about how the phone performs, how the UI feels, what the entire user experience is. If those things are very satisfactory to me, why should a I care about a string of numbers on some tech site somewhere? And by "me", I mean the average consumer, not tech enthusiasts.
I have no doubt that there will be people claiming that this or that phone is "better" because it has a faster processor or GPU. In fact, I can guarantee there will be the usual "LOL crappy old iPhone with its old hardware LOL" stuff bandied about, because spec list dick measuring is such a popular hobby.
But normal users don't care about that, they care how their hand held computer actually works. If there are annoying pauses and glitches they care; once the system hardware is fast enough to run the UI seamlessly and give you fast app switching, then it's just a great experience and further advances are about supporting more sophisticated apps.
By checking tech sites like AppleInsider regularly and posting over 8,500 posts, you already qualified for "tech enthusiasts" but not one of average consumers :P
I don't understand why so many posters going after specs of CPU, RAM etc. and asking what real world improvements are, when Schiller already listed how many times faster are 3Gs over 3G during the keynote. It doesn't seem likely to me that he posts scam in their own developer conference.
30 seconds after removing it from the box, the screen protector will be applied and it won't make any difference at all.
It's great that it's oleophobic, but how resistant is it to scratches?
A big "meh" on the screen coating. I always protect my touch screen devices with a screen protector anyway. Already have a set of three coming from Hong Kong that I ordered on eBay for my 3G S
Just to be picky here ...
You guys know that the iPhone has a tempered glass (almost un-scratchable) screen right?
Plastic screen protectors are for the old style (WinMobile, Treo, etc.) screens which are soft plastic and prone to scratching. The screen protector is more likely to damage your iPhone than protect it and the screen needs no protection in the first place.
Cases are for drop protection, screen protectors are only useful if they wrap around the whole device and provide water damage protection or something. They are otherwise quite useless on the iPhone.
Additionally, with the new coating, the glass would actually be easier to clean "naked," than with the cheap plastic film on top.
Despite the Oleophobic material or not, and knowing that nothing will erase an oil that lands on the phone, there are some cleaner choices like iKlenz and others that is specifically for the iPhone as a solution to make the iPhone like new again. I wouldn't want to just leave it to some material to somewhat "repel" oil, I Want it ALL off!!
Well, that's the whole point of the oleophobic coating to keep oils from adhering so they will wipe right off (like car wax allows water to be wiped off). Cleaners, probably including iKlenz (which is probably mostly alcohol), will most likely take the oleophobic coating off and entirely negate the advantage of having it. Of course, even water might take it off, so it will be interesting to see how well it holds up.
By checking tech sites like AppleInsider regularly and posting over 8,500 posts, you already qualified for "tech enthusiasts" but not one of average consumers :P
Oh, for sure. I just sometimes try to think what things look like from the perspective of the average consumer. Most of my friends, acquaintances and family qualify as such, and if I tried to sell them on the new iPhone based on hardware specs their eyes would glaze over and they'd wonder why I was bothering them.
If they pick up a new iPhone and it seems all snappy and responsive and fun, that's all they care about.
I don't understand why so many posters going after specs of CPU, RAM etc. and asking what real world improvements are, when Schiller already listed how many times faster are 3Gs over 3G during the keynote. It doesn't seem likely to me that he posts scam in their own developer conference.
I can see why developers want to know, they have to make specific calculations as to what the new hardware can manage. For consumers, "fast" and "responsive" and "fluid" are the only metrics that matter.
I believe that the Pre has a better GPU - iPhone has SGX 520, Pre has SGX530. Of course the clock speeds could be different, never mind the software/driver optimisation quality.
Already the pre is being looked at as a cheap lite feeling plastic future frisbee when i am mad phone. But i wish you good luck with your app filled sprint coverage pre.
Just saying.
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"Aow- I miss the old coating!"
"I can't type as fast" etc, etc,
You have the number one post for this thread position. For years to come your post will set the over all tone for this topic..Could you at lesst try to be funny. Go back and edit now and make us chuckle.
Dude
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A nice addition...
Can't wait for mine to arrive!
Yep. Just ordered mine. I won't be standing in any lines this year.
that the new iPhone 3G S indeed sports an embedded ARM processor that's 50 percent faster that the one employed by its predecessor.
Perhaps on clockspeed alone, but that means nothing.
The 600mhz Cortex-A8 core (ARMv7) in the new iPhone 3GS is a major upgrade --- dual-issue, superscalar, with L2 cache and real SIMD engine. the Cortex-A8 core is roughly 2X AS FAST PER CLOCK as an ARM11 core .So even though it is "only" 600Mhz, it has the processing power of a 1200Mhz ARM11. So In essence, the new iPhone 3GS has nearly three times the raw processing power of the older iPhone 3G.
Similarly, the new PowerVR SGX GPU is going to be 2-3X times faster overall than the MBX Lite in the iPhone 3G.
@Appleinsider
You should update the article to emphasize the difference between the processors... This is not a minor clock speed bump. I'm sick of all the anti-Apple people on different blogs bashing the new iPhone because it only is a "speedbump".
I'm excited about the Cortex A8. This is a great core. ARM has really raised the bar with the Cortex family, to the point that the long-held suspicion that "in the future" all CPUs would be based on ARM, PPC, or x86 is probably coming true sooner than we think. Even on the very low end ARM is cleaning up with the M0 and M3.
This news makes me want to start porting console emulators to the iPhone 3G S. Technically it should have more than enough guts to run even PS2 games (with the new GPU), but human interface limitations may challenge that.
That's what the dock and bluetooth APIs are for.
External cases with a d-pad.
Well, that's the whole point of the oleophobic coating to keep oils from adhering so they will wipe right off (like car wax allows water to be wiped off). Cleaners, probably including iKlenz (which is probably mostly alcohol), will most likely take the oleophobic coating off and entirely negate the advantage of having it. Of course, even water might take it off, so it will be interesting to see how well it holds up.
The Oleophobic coating is generally something you'd find on plastic and is a part of the curing or manufacture of that plastic.
I don't know how they managed to get this coating on glass instead of plastic, but there is a good chance it's similarly "cured" or baked in and won't come off except through actual abrasion and over a long period of time.
the 3GS' new guts is not just about a faster processor. the entire System On A Chip has been redesigned. here is a great explanation of the details from a guy who really knows his stuff:
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579
Prince, take note!
[good one, DRayMIS, you are two minutes faster}
No need to be an ass. Anand is quite knowledgeable but AI and his site have very different focuses and clientele. The info that AI and Anand have is about the same, but AI doesn?t shaders, pipeline depth, triangles, etc. just as Anand won?t discuss new Mobileme features in details, Apple?s future business model and the quarterly earning of Apple. I read both sites because they both offer something the other doesn?t.
I thought the 3G had the 620 MHz ARM chip, albeit clocked down. As for RAM, doesn't it also have 128MB, even though roughly half of that is system dedicated?
It does, but the clockspeed in the next iPhone will likely be running at 600MHz, not the ~420MHz that it currently runs at. That is only about 505 faster in clockspeed, but with every other new and improved aspect of the chip architecture you get about 2x the speed.
Personally, I think Apple has the right idea by not evening publishing CPU, GPU and ram specs.
Me too. Besides being fun and generating a buzz within the deep tech community, there is no ay the bulk of their consumers would know what it means if you explained it to them. Even the vast majority of technical people fall short of really understanding HW specs. I am one of them. I have absolutely no clue about GPU power. I couldn?t tell you what a gigaFLOP is or why you need so many FLOPs.
You have the number one post for this thread position. For years to come your post will set the over all tone for this topic..Could you at lesst try to be funny. Go back and edit now and make us chuckle.
There has been a new Teckstud around here as of late and I quite like it. If not for a post here or there are let me know it?s still him I would thought he was a pod person and had an Amber Alert issued for him NYC.
The Oleophobic coating is generally something you'd find on plastic and is a part of the curing or manufacture of that plastic.
I don't know how they managed to get this coating on glass instead of plastic, but there is a good chance it's similarly "cured" or baked in and won't come off except through actual abrasion and over a long period of time.
That's probably true for the most part, but "cleaning solutions" (alcohol) will probably still take it off a lot faster than normal wear.
It's great that it's oleophobic, but how resistant is it to scratches?
Are there really people who don't spend $10 and put a cover on their screen? It's the first thing I did and I wipe the fingerprints off of mine by just rubbing it on my shirt. No big deal...
Actually, it was a three pack of protectors for $20 and I'm on #2 a year later...
I'm more interested in how PA Semi can come into play.
Me too. This is going to be great if PA Semi is already a part of this device.
Are there really people who don't spend $10 and put a cover on their screen? It's the first thing I did and I wipe the fingerprints off of mine by just rubbing it on my shirt. No big deal...
Actually, it was a three pack of protectors for $20 and I'm on #2 a year later...
I seem to remember some pretty sever scratch tests on the iPhone screen when it first came out. It appeared as if you wold be hard pressed to scratch it with knives.