I have never used antivirus software on any of my Windows machines and they work just fine. I think that AV causes more problems than it solves (I can't tell you how many friends I've helped out by removing Norton from their machines after it screwed them up) and is definitely unnecessary these days.
XP, Vista and 7 are now rock solid and are very secure. AV is not needed.
Yeah, that'll be why my parents got a virus on their PC last month.
This is just weird to me. It makes sense for a company to try and protect their operating system, but I hoped it would have been by different methods other than copying existing security software. They have access to the core coding of the OS, the security software simply works around that code. Perhaps Morro will work on a more intelligent level than McAfee or Norton, but more than likely it's just Microsoft copying what others have done.
Here's what I see happening: McAfee and Symantec (if they don't already) will start writing their own viruses that they know this Morro software won't pick up, but their own software will. That, or this new software will bring a surge of attention from virus writers who will attempt to show that Morro is moronic.
Windows gets attacked because it's what most people use, which is a shame. Microsoft needs to be a LOT more intelligent about anti virus software. The current model is flawed: a virus definition list that only gets updated AFTER viruses are made. Ideally, there would be one generic way to immune a system from threats, and have a block on viruses before they ever get out the door.
I don't understand why MS is bothering to do this. My guess is marketing so they start to look better in people's eyes (which they do need to do). But with the vast amount of GOOD FREE AV out there, this seems pointless. Also, I would never want my AV integrated with the OS. If the something gets through, then it can disable that part of the OS and then let other things in. Just like how I don't like using IE because how tied into the OS it is. (I stay away from Safari too, but I do know its not as tied in.)
But, again Appleinsider, this affects Macs how exactly? Don't bash MS here. Focus on Mac.
And BTW, Mac's aren't immune to attacks. They are stronger, definitely, but not immune. Your time will come too.
I have never used antivirus software on any of my Windows machines and they work just fine. I think that AV causes more problems than it solves (I can't tell you how many friends I've helped out by removing Norton from their machines after it screwed them up) and is definitely unnecessary these days.
XP, Vista and 7 are now rock solid and are very secure. AV is not needed.
Does that mean that my friend who uses Windows XP some version of it with some upgrade to some SP, whose child went to an ESPN sports site, ESPN! for Heaven's sake, and had a trojan installed that kept popping up from the dock area, warning them of their computer being infected and that they should buy their AV product to get rid of what their AV installed on their computer to harass them in the first place. It didn't show up as an app to be able to use the "add/remove" feature and it went away on it's own three days after the problem first cropped up. They have Norton AV service, but a lot good that did , but if they didn't would this still have occurred. I would love to tell them to save your money, forget Norton and remove its AV from your Windows computer. Can I tell them that?
Yeah, that'll be why my parents got a virus on their PC last month.
i've been out of the Windows-world for several years now, but i've always assumed the key to avoiding viruses was safe browsing / email practices. I don't visit strange websites or open strange emails. Most older folk aren't as adept at knowing where the risks are and are thus more susceptible to attack.
Can anyone really prevent MS from making their products safer and their users more secure..? Public opinion would be 100% with MS on this.
Worst possible scenario - user will be able to choose whether to install MS antivirus during OS setup or not. In some markets, AV might not be available on media but accessible as free download.
One way or another, you can't prevent MS from offering free AV - only question is, how is that software going to be distributed.
regarding antitrust...it's tricky, but i'd tend to lean towards microsoft on this issue. As far as browsers go - sorry netscape went out of business, but it's not like MS actively blocked people from downloading netscape. I mean, MOST people are unaware of the competitors options. Is it microsofts job to alert people to their competitors?? What other industry works that way? Same thing with AV software. The other options are out there if people want them.
I have never used antivirus software on any of my Windows machines and they work just fine. I think that AV causes more problems than it solves (I can't tell you how many friends I've helped out by removing Norton from their machines after it screwed them up) and is definitely unnecessary these days.
XP, Vista and 7 are now rock solid and are very secure. AV is not needed.
You are a liar, or the luckiest man alive. Why would a happy MS user post on an apple site??
xp is ok but 8 yrs old.
Vista and 7 were 9 long years being producednad when they came out they sucked. Most p/c companies ship the old MS O/S on there boxes.
vista and window 7 are not rock solid .They just suck a little less than before .
Don't provoke him - he can probably find your files, too.
That reminded me - only completely unsecured wireless network in my neighbourhood is conveniently called Apple Net. All others are using at least WEP, but most are on WPA2.
I really had to resist a temptation of downloading a few dozen gigabytes of porn through the poor guy's Internet connection and leave him "Thank you" note in shared folder (if any) - maybe a movie or two. Since most Internet plans in NZ are capped (with big money for every exceeded MB), his/her Mac experience could have ended up even more expensive.
At the end of the day, you don't need Morro to be a moron...
The same company that brought you Swiss Cheese OS is now writing code to protect the holes.
No worries for AV companies. If MS AV software is nearly as good as their OS a huge quaternary market will emerge. Imagine "Get Norton Anti-Virus for Swiss Cheese 7's Anti-Virus for $39.99".
Users? Screwed as usual. I now completely unplug my iMac from the net when Bootcamping into Swiss Cheese.
Ah. But you still enjoy your Swiss cheese every now and then, eh? Cheese just doesn't taste that good without holes.
Yeah but they were bundling IE with the OS which was the problem.
If they included Netscape and others and gave users a choice I don't think that would have been a problem or maybe they included a way for users after installing to choose between IE and others that would have been ok aslo but they integrated IE to leverage it's adoption.
The problem wasn't that it was bundled with the OS, the problem was that it became the OS and you could not uninstall it for another option.
I have never used antivirus software on any of my Windows machines and they work just fine. I think that AV causes more problems than it solves (I can't tell you how many friends I've helped out by removing Norton from their machines after it screwed them up) and is definitely unnecessary these days.
XP, Vista and 7 are now rock solid and are very secure. AV is not needed.
Of course you don't need anti-virus software when your Windows PC's are not connected to the internet. But your comment is so full of shit you just made it up to see the responses.
"markets where the growth of new PC purchases is outpaced only by the growth of malware"
I wonder when the Mac will come close to Windows in THAT measurement
(Someone will now post that Mac users think OS X is perfect--which nobody thinks--and say that you need to install antivirus software BEFORE any viruses exist or you are being rude and arrogant to Windows users... or something. As for me, I'm going to install it WHEN they exist I keep waiting, but the news will make headlines if it happens--as several false alarms already have--so I won't fail to notice.)
i've been out of the Windows-world for several years now, but i've always assumed the key to avoiding viruses was safe browsing / email practices. I don't visit strange websites or open strange emails. Most older folk aren't as adept at knowing where the risks are and are thus more susceptible to attack.
My parents aren't all that old and aren't exactly computer novices, they've been using them since 1986 and know what they're doing. It helps to be savvy, but it's not always enough.
I can see what might happen here. Microsoft provides a "stripped-down" (in other words, non-functional) anti-malware solution, and places it so that, like Internet Explorer, the 99.9% of people who don't know any better use it (and only it) because "it's what came with my computer", or, if for some reason Microsoft doesn't decree that it be bundled on all new PCs, because "it's from the guys who did Windows — they must know how to do it right". Because it does nothing, Windows PCs proceed to be infected en masse, destroying Microsoft's reputation for having any ability to "make" (ha) security software, publicly highlighting the absence of security in all their other endeavours in a twisted version of the "halo effect". I like how this turns out for the legitimate platforms.
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And BTW, Mac's aren't immune to attacks. They are stronger, definitely, but not immune. Your time will come too.
Yes; Macs are susceptible to social attacks that persuade users to bypass existing security measures. No device created by the human species will ever be immune to that, because the device isn't where the insecurity lies. I lol'd at your little "someday you'll get what you deserve, you smug bastards! Somedaaaaaaayyy!" thing at the end there, though, nice touch.
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i've been out of the Windows-world for several years now, but i've always assumed the key to avoiding viruses was safe browsing / email practices. I don't visit strange websites or open strange emails. Most older folk aren't as adept at knowing where the risks are and are thus more susceptible to attack.
I've been off Windows for a long time, too, but my impression is that avoiding shady websites and emails only cuts off the more obvious avenues of attack, and that there's more or less nothing you can do to assure yourself 100% short of permanently isolating that machine from the outside world in every way. And never turning it on for good measure. And then getting a Mac so you can still get some work done in the meantime.
But you still enjoy your Swiss cheese every now and then, eh?
Nope. hate every minute of it. I use very specialized software that only runs on Swiss Cheese. We have a professional organization devoted to persuading those two software manufacturers to write for either MAC OS X or Linux. I will be overjoyed the day I can delete the Swiss Cheese partition from the Mac and never look back.
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shouldn't the antivirus just be an invisible part of the os instead of an add on?
Yes, but the easiest and laziest solution is to spend $300 millions to tell people that PCs are cheaper
I have never used antivirus software on any of my Windows machines and they work just fine. I think that AV causes more problems than it solves (I can't tell you how many friends I've helped out by removing Norton from their machines after it screwed them up) and is definitely unnecessary these days.
XP, Vista and 7 are now rock solid and are very secure. AV is not needed.
Yeah, that'll be why my parents got a virus on their PC last month.
Here's what I see happening: McAfee and Symantec (if they don't already) will start writing their own viruses that they know this Morro software won't pick up, but their own software will. That, or this new software will bring a surge of attention from virus writers who will attempt to show that Morro is moronic.
Oh, and so we can avoid the whole "Macs have immaculate security" debate, here's a good read: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/securit...9241748,00.htm
Windows gets attacked because it's what most people use, which is a shame. Microsoft needs to be a LOT more intelligent about anti virus software. The current model is flawed: a virus definition list that only gets updated AFTER viruses are made. Ideally, there would be one generic way to immune a system from threats, and have a block on viruses before they ever get out the door.
But, again Appleinsider, this affects Macs how exactly? Don't bash MS here. Focus on Mac.
And BTW, Mac's aren't immune to attacks. They are stronger, definitely, but not immune. Your time will come too.
I have never used antivirus software on any of my Windows machines and they work just fine. I think that AV causes more problems than it solves (I can't tell you how many friends I've helped out by removing Norton from their machines after it screwed them up) and is definitely unnecessary these days.
XP, Vista and 7 are now rock solid and are very secure. AV is not needed.
Does that mean that my friend who uses Windows XP some version of it with some upgrade to some SP, whose child went to an ESPN sports site, ESPN! for Heaven's sake, and had a trojan installed that kept popping up from the dock area, warning them of their computer being infected and that they should buy their AV product to get rid of what their AV installed on their computer to harass them in the first place. It didn't show up as an app to be able to use the "add/remove" feature and it went away on it's own three days after the problem first cropped up. They have Norton AV service, but a lot good that did
Yeah, that'll be why my parents got a virus on their PC last month.
i've been out of the Windows-world for several years now, but i've always assumed the key to avoiding viruses was safe browsing / email practices. I don't visit strange websites or open strange emails. Most older folk aren't as adept at knowing where the risks are and are thus more susceptible to attack.
Surely there's massive anti-trust issues here?
Tricky, I think.
Can anyone really prevent MS from making their products safer and their users more secure..? Public opinion would be 100% with MS on this.
Worst possible scenario - user will be able to choose whether to install MS antivirus during OS setup or not. In some markets, AV might not be available on media but accessible as free download.
One way or another, you can't prevent MS from offering free AV - only question is, how is that software going to be distributed.
Shouldn't this be dubbed MORON?
That name has already been taken by msft users.
I have never used antivirus software on any of my Windows machines and they work just fine. I think that AV causes more problems than it solves (I can't tell you how many friends I've helped out by removing Norton from their machines after it screwed them up) and is definitely unnecessary these days.
XP, Vista and 7 are now rock solid and are very secure. AV is not needed.
You are a liar, or the luckiest man alive. Why would a happy MS user post on an apple site??
xp is ok but 8 yrs old.
Vista and 7 were 9 long years being producednad when they came out they sucked. Most p/c companies ship the old MS O/S on there boxes.
vista and window 7 are not rock solid .They just suck a little less than before .
That name has already been taken by msft users.
meanwhile, most mac users truly believe that osx is impenetrable.
But can you find your files?
Don't provoke him - he can probably find your files, too.
That reminded me - only completely unsecured wireless network in my neighbourhood is conveniently called Apple Net. All others are using at least WEP, but most are on WPA2.
I really had to resist a temptation of downloading a few dozen gigabytes of porn through the poor guy's Internet connection and leave him "Thank you" note in shared folder (if any) - maybe a movie or two. Since most Internet plans in NZ are capped (with big money for every exceeded MB), his/her Mac experience could have ended up even more expensive.
At the end of the day, you don't need Morro to be a moron...
The same company that brought you Swiss Cheese OS is now writing code to protect the holes.
No worries for AV companies. If MS AV software is nearly as good as their OS a huge quaternary market will emerge. Imagine "Get Norton Anti-Virus for Swiss Cheese 7's Anti-Virus for $39.99".
Users? Screwed as usual. I now completely unplug my iMac from the net when Bootcamping into Swiss Cheese.
Ah. But you still enjoy your Swiss cheese every now and then, eh? Cheese just doesn't taste that good without holes.
Yeah but they were bundling IE with the OS which was the problem.
If they included Netscape and others and gave users a choice I don't think that would have been a problem or maybe they included a way for users after installing to choose between IE and others that would have been ok aslo but they integrated IE to leverage it's adoption.
The problem wasn't that it was bundled with the OS, the problem was that it became the OS and you could not uninstall it for another option.
I have never used antivirus software on any of my Windows machines and they work just fine. I think that AV causes more problems than it solves (I can't tell you how many friends I've helped out by removing Norton from their machines after it screwed them up) and is definitely unnecessary these days.
XP, Vista and 7 are now rock solid and are very secure. AV is not needed.
Of course you don't need anti-virus software when your Windows PC's are not connected to the internet. But your comment is so full of shit you just made it up to see the responses.
I wonder when the Mac will come close to Windows in THAT measurement
(Someone will now post that Mac users think OS X is perfect--which nobody thinks--and say that you need to install antivirus software BEFORE any viruses exist or you are being rude and arrogant to Windows users... or something. As for me, I'm going to install it WHEN they exist
i've been out of the Windows-world for several years now, but i've always assumed the key to avoiding viruses was safe browsing / email practices. I don't visit strange websites or open strange emails. Most older folk aren't as adept at knowing where the risks are and are thus more susceptible to attack.
My parents aren't all that old and aren't exactly computer novices, they've been using them since 1986 and know what they're doing. It helps to be savvy, but it's not always enough.
And BTW, Mac's aren't immune to attacks. They are stronger, definitely, but not immune. Your time will come too.
Yes; Macs are susceptible to social attacks that persuade users to bypass existing security measures. No device created by the human species will ever be immune to that, because the device isn't where the insecurity lies. I lol'd at your little "someday you'll get what you deserve, you smug bastards! Somedaaaaaaayyy!" thing at the end there, though, nice touch.
i've been out of the Windows-world for several years now, but i've always assumed the key to avoiding viruses was safe browsing / email practices. I don't visit strange websites or open strange emails. Most older folk aren't as adept at knowing where the risks are and are thus more susceptible to attack.
I've been off Windows for a long time, too, but my impression is that avoiding shady websites and emails only cuts off the more obvious avenues of attack, and that there's more or less nothing you can do to assure yourself 100% short of permanently isolating that machine from the outside world in every way. And never turning it on for good measure. And then getting a Mac so you can still get some work done in the meantime.
But you still enjoy your Swiss cheese every now and then, eh?
Nope. hate every minute of it. I use very specialized software that only runs on Swiss Cheese. We have a professional organization devoted to persuading those two software manufacturers to write for either MAC OS X or Linux. I will be overjoyed the day I can delete the Swiss Cheese partition from the Mac and never look back.