I really really hope snow leopard includes more new wallpaper. The operating is looking amazingly polished, can't wait to get it!!
I just don't understand comments like this. I'm a software developer and let me assure you that making 64 kernel and converting all your apps to 64 bit is one hell of a project. Add to that some ground breaking technologies like OpenCL etc. and you got one amazing upgrade.
And all people can say is they want new wallpaper. Well go to www.interfacelift.com and download some yourself.
This new system is great. These guys are thinkin and doin! I hope all you blogging curmudgeons can finally shut up and enjoy a better home, and the DieHard Windows fans will open their windows in a highrise and walk out!
You're getting dramatic speed increases, improved stability, and a more solid framework while reducing the size of the system - along with a number of new features. All for $29.
Why in the world does Apple have to change the UI every year or so to make some people happy? I happen to think they got it right pretty much from the start so there's no need to scrap it and start over every year or so.
But if you like a new UI regularly, go ahead and switch OSs every few months.
No, the point is that users of OS X know that there have always been problems with UI consistency.
Anyone who's been using it over the years also should know that there are some pretty big bugs in the Finder and that while each version of OS X has very much the same look as the former version, that the OS X project has been to some degree about "working out" what the best GUI is. Ideas like drawers and sidebars come and go, the menu bar and the Dock change slightly with each iteration etc. RI has been a goal for many versions now, as has re-writing it in Cocoa.
I'm not whining, as I said I would buy it for the full price just because of the improvements I know are there. Fixing Leopards sometimes "dead" sidebar alone would be worth it for me. I'm just disappointed that yet again, we have to deal with a mixed up Finder and some questionable GUI decisions when it was implied (not by Apple necessarily) that re-write would fix this stuff.
I would only really be upset if it turns out that the re-write of the Finder has also not fixed the more substantive "mechanical" problems Finder has but not being privy to betas, I won't find that out until it's released. That would be really bad press though, so I am reasonably certain that the bugs have been squashed at minimum.
Well Apple is too busy convincing the world that Windows 7 is just an "upgrading Vista" to bother with adding some very basic functionality (you know, the kind of stuff that Microsoft has had since Windows 2000) into their own "upgraded Leopard."
What kind of stuff has MS had since Windows 2000 that is not in OS X? Do tell. I can tell you about 3000 things that OS X has that are not in any Windows release, and they are all available by starting that little thing called Terminal.
Well Apple is too busy convincing the world that Windows 7 is just an "upgrading Vista" to bother with adding some very basic functionality (you know, the kind of stuff that Microsoft has had since Windows 2000) into their own "upgraded Leopard."
Without any examples you are making yourself look like a foolish Microsoft fan girl.
Snow Leopard increases speed across the entire system and for newly re-designed Apps that use the new technologies by between 50-130%. How isn't that getting a new computer for $30?
When updated video card drivers give me smoother performance in games, I don't think to myself "Wow, I just got a new video card for free!" I think to myself, "Wow, they really optimized the software to take advantage of the hardware." That's all that's happening now. I don't mean to come off as a dick about it, but it's not like getting a new computer, it's like getting a better operating system.
A while back, some guy gave a lecture at my school (I didn't care much then) about how software isn't as advanced as we like to think. His point was that through better programming, we could make existing hardware run 10 to 100 times better. I think it had something to do with the evolution of "many core" programming or something like that. Just a neat little anecdote I thought I'd throw in there. Makes you wonder how much hidden potential lies in existing hardware.
This looks soooo similar to Leopard.....The Aqua scroll bars on the right and silver windows.....so outdated already.
Aye Carumba.....Please dont let this be final....Plus so un-Apple like to have Quicktime in the bad azz black window and everything like it is in Leopard....WTF.....
Except Windows 7 is virtually complete, with RTM likely less than a month away.
Maybe Apple is just too lazy to unify their interface. Did you ever think of that? It didn't happen in Tiger. It didn't happen in Leopard. And it probably won't happen in Snow Leopard.
Even Microsoft has made an attempt to make a more unified interface in Windows 7. But you're right, I guess they're too busy stealing features from Snow Leopard. Oh, wait...
SN will sport a Marble GUI alla QT X... Mark my words!
SN will sport a Marble GUI alla QT X... Mark my words!
Apple is going to suddenly spring a new UI theme within three months of release? And convince thousands of developers to rehire artists and/or spend time redoing artwork and icons to match black windows? After making most of them redo things to match Leopard? You really think so?
They wouldn't announce such a radical change at WWDC for publicity and to let developers know why?
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[...] Even Microsoft has made an attempt to make a more unified interface in Windows 7. But you're right, I guess they're too busy stealing features from Snow Leopard. Oh, wait...
Sorry, no. You can't use that line when Microsoft still has some things resembling Win98 applications or using almost fifteen year old icons.
Leopard's UI (as it is now in SL) is just fine. It's very clean, very easy on the eyes, and is characteristic of subtle elegance.
Or would you prefer Windows 7, which looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell. Looks like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.
Does anybody who have seen the early Snow Leopard know if they have fixed the glitch introduced in Leopard which doesn't allow you to customize numbers. I like my numbers as 1 234.57, Leopard make you basically chose between 1234.57 or 1,234.57?
Managed to keep the format at my dual G5 Pro when upgrading, but was never able to introduce it to my Macbook Pro which came with Leopard, attempts to program it in Unix gave an inconsistent result with different formats in different applications.
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I really really hope snow leopard includes more new wallpaper. The operating is looking amazingly polished, can't wait to get it!!
I just don't understand comments like this. I'm a software developer and let me assure you that making 64 kernel and converting all your apps to 64 bit is one hell of a project. Add to that some ground breaking technologies like OpenCL etc. and you got one amazing upgrade.
And all people can say is they want new wallpaper. Well go to www.interfacelift.com and download some yourself.
I can't wait to spend my $29.
This new system is great. These guys are thinkin and doin! I hope all you blogging curmudgeons can finally shut up and enjoy a better home, and the DieHard Windows fans will open their windows in a highrise and walk out!
Whine, whine, whine.
You're getting dramatic speed increases, improved stability, and a more solid framework while reducing the size of the system - along with a number of new features. All for $29.
Why in the world does Apple have to change the UI every year or so to make some people happy? I happen to think they got it right pretty much from the start so there's no need to scrap it and start over every year or so.
But if you like a new UI regularly, go ahead and switch OSs every few months.
No, the point is that users of OS X know that there have always been problems with UI consistency.
Anyone who's been using it over the years also should know that there are some pretty big bugs in the Finder and that while each version of OS X has very much the same look as the former version, that the OS X project has been to some degree about "working out" what the best GUI is. Ideas like drawers and sidebars come and go, the menu bar and the Dock change slightly with each iteration etc. RI has been a goal for many versions now, as has re-writing it in Cocoa.
I'm not whining, as I said I would buy it for the full price just because of the improvements I know are there. Fixing Leopards sometimes "dead" sidebar alone would be worth it for me. I'm just disappointed that yet again, we have to deal with a mixed up Finder and some questionable GUI decisions when it was implied (not by Apple necessarily) that re-write would fix this stuff.
I would only really be upset if it turns out that the re-write of the Finder has also not fixed the more substantive "mechanical" problems Finder has but not being privy to betas, I won't find that out until it's released. That would be really bad press though, so I am reasonably certain that the bugs have been squashed at minimum.
Well Apple is too busy convincing the world that Windows 7 is just an "upgrading Vista" to bother with adding some very basic functionality (you know, the kind of stuff that Microsoft has had since Windows 2000) into their own "upgraded Leopard."
What kind of stuff has MS had since Windows 2000 that is not in OS X? Do tell. I can tell you about 3000 things that OS X has that are not in any Windows release, and they are all available by starting that little thing called Terminal.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Phil say it was a NEAR feature-complete build?
Also, I'm liking the muted pallet and scroll bars.
Yep, its 'near' feature complete, not feature complete. The new Dock Expose features aren't in in for a start..
One thing that you notice straight away is how quick it all runs. It truly is fast as fu...
Well Apple is too busy convincing the world that Windows 7 is just an "upgrading Vista" to bother with adding some very basic functionality (you know, the kind of stuff that Microsoft has had since Windows 2000) into their own "upgraded Leopard."
Without any examples you are making yourself look like a foolish Microsoft fan girl.
Without any examples you are making yourself look like a foolish Microsoft fan girl.
Insulting someone by calling them a "girl"? Are you five years old?
And all people can say is they want new wallpaper. Well go to www.interfacelift.com and download some yourself.
True that...or better yet, get off your butt, pick up a camera, and go outside.
Go on then. Say Windows 7 looks better. I challenge you.
I can't believe people are still bitching for having to pay $30 to get a new computer.
Not only is it a new computer, but it's a new Mac!
Insulting someone by calling them a "girl"? Are you five years old?
Actually, he was insulting someone by calling them a "Microsoft fan."
He assumed that the person was female and young.
Snow Leopard increases speed across the entire system and for newly re-designed Apps that use the new technologies by between 50-130%. How isn't that getting a new computer for $30?
When updated video card drivers give me smoother performance in games, I don't think to myself "Wow, I just got a new video card for free!" I think to myself, "Wow, they really optimized the software to take advantage of the hardware." That's all that's happening now. I don't mean to come off as a dick about it, but it's not like getting a new computer, it's like getting a better operating system.
A while back, some guy gave a lecture at my school (I didn't care much then) about how software isn't as advanced as we like to think. His point was that through better programming, we could make existing hardware run 10 to 100 times better. I think it had something to do with the evolution of "many core" programming or something like that. Just a neat little anecdote I thought I'd throw in there. Makes you wonder how much hidden potential lies in existing hardware.
This looks soooo similar to Leopard.....The Aqua scroll bars on the right and silver windows.....so outdated already.
Aye Carumba.....Please dont let this be final....Plus so un-Apple like to have Quicktime in the bad azz black window and everything like it is in Leopard....WTF.....
2. Why not get rid of the blue blob, this is possible by using 3d party apps already, come on apple!
3. Bring tabs back on top in safari 4. At least give an option.
4. Love the new stacks.
5. New expose mode will only be used by "single digit percentage of our users".
Thats all for now.
[...] which basically means re-doing all the artwork and resources, and then carefully added the aqua "blue blob" stuff back in. [...]
What on earth. Why are you making silly comments like this if you've no idea how the Finder is actually drawn?
1. No disk drive icon on desktop! That is very nice. [...]
You've been able to do this for many years. Finder > Preferences > Uncheck Hard-disk drives.
1. No disk drive icon on desktop! That is very nice.
FYI...you can remove the disk drive icon from your desktop now in system preferences.
Except Windows 7 is virtually complete, with RTM likely less than a month away.
Maybe Apple is just too lazy to unify their interface. Did you ever think of that? It didn't happen in Tiger. It didn't happen in Leopard. And it probably won't happen in Snow Leopard.
Even Microsoft has made an attempt to make a more unified interface in Windows 7. But you're right, I guess they're too busy stealing features from Snow Leopard. Oh, wait...
SN will sport a Marble GUI alla QT X... Mark my words!
1. No disk drive icon on desktop! That is very nice.
Finder-> preferences -> uncheck the appropriate checkbox
Whoops.. too late...
For anybody that wants to make their Leopard more "iLife" like, check out iLeopard:
http://littlekiwi.co.cc/page4/page4.html
SN will sport a Marble GUI alla QT X... Mark my words!
Apple is going to suddenly spring a new UI theme within three months of release? And convince thousands of developers to rehire artists and/or spend time redoing artwork and icons to match black windows? After making most of them redo things to match Leopard? You really think so?
They wouldn't announce such a radical change at WWDC for publicity and to let developers know why?
[...] Even Microsoft has made an attempt to make a more unified interface in Windows 7. But you're right, I guess they're too busy stealing features from Snow Leopard. Oh, wait...
Sorry, no. You can't use that line when Microsoft still has some things resembling Win98 applications or using almost fifteen year old icons.
Leopard's UI (as it is now in SL) is just fine. It's very clean, very easy on the eyes, and is characteristic of subtle elegance.
Or would you prefer Windows 7, which looks like a multiple-clown homicide. Colours all over the place, transparency-glass-hell. Looks like it was designed by Flava Flav on a bender.
Managed to keep the format at my dual G5 Pro when upgrading, but was never able to introduce it to my Macbook Pro which came with Leopard, attempts to program it in Unix gave an inconsistent result with different formats in different applications.