The white Macbook is a huge huge huge seller for the education market, both to schools and to students themselves.
I was half expecting there to be a poly-carb 15” MB now that the 13” unibody has gone Pro. I know I prefer the 13” size, but 15” seems to be the most popular and I’d wager most people don’t need or care about a discreet GPU or high-quality display type (ie: they are fine with TN). Of course, the 15” MBP drop to a 9400M cancels that somewhat and Apple hasn’t produced a 15” plastic shell since the iBook.
You are 100% correct. Notice how not one of them mentioned the same thing about their idiotic mantra- "Troll". What's most amazing is that somehow they think it actually offends because in reality it only makes them look really stupid and pathetic because they can't think for themselves. They way they've defended all kinds of things over the years is just amazing. And now everything they've called me and others Troll on is happening.
1.) A small powerful laptop.
2.) Firewire
3.) MMS texting and pics
4.) Video on a phone
5.) Lower pricing
6.) Matte screen.
I still like them all though- what a bunch of characters.
Take #1 away. Apple pulled a bait and switch and it was posted today on MacRumors.
1.) It appears nearly certain that the new 13" and 15" MacBook Pros are all reporting a SATA interface running at 1.5Gb and not the faster 3.0Gb rate that has been in pretty common use for the last few years. These new models have the Secure Digital (SD) slot and also appear to have redesigned motherboards.
2.) Those who are using standard hard disk drives will probably see no difference in performance. If that is you, you can stop reading now.
3.) Benchmarks on FAST solid-state drives (SSDs) are showing a decrease in RAW disk i/o transfer rates on these same systems (in comparison to the previous generation MacBook Pros and MacBooks).
4.) The largest differences in the benchmark results seem to be in large, sequential disk READS (one of the traditional strengths with SSDs).
5.) To the best of my knowledge, no one has done any test with REAL-WORLD operations to show that the user experience (i.e. "performance") will be decreased with the 1.5Gb SATA interface. That is to say that thus far we've only seen benchmarks done with RAW disk i/o benchmarking tools.
6.) No one really knows why this has been done and no one knows whether it can be fixed with a software/firmware update (it may or may not be able to be fixed).
Take #1 away. Apple pulled a bait and switch and it was posted today on MacRumors.
Gosh darnnit, that whole college eduction thing is getting in my way agaian. While unexpected, for the life of me I can't recall a single definition of bait and switch that fits this scenerio. Apple's current and previous website didn't list the SATA speed. I would surely love to hear an explantion, golly I would.
Gosh darnnit, that whole college eduction thing is getting in my way agaian. While unexpected, for the life of me I can't recall a single definition of bait and switch that fits this scenerio. Apple's current and previous website didn't list the SATA speed. I would surely love to hear an explantion, golly I would.
If you are paying for a MBP you would epect it to handle PRO Hard Drive Read & Write Speeds such as SSD.
Golly, at least that's what the people on MacRumors, Engadget, CNet & Computer World are saying but you are the smart one as you've pointed out countless times.
Pay for last years Speeds and Buy a Pro computer that can handle but can't take advantage of SSD speeds. Doesn't seem to be a pro model to the 11 page of forum posters on MacRumors and sure as heck isn't going to be a good day for Apple when the rest of the sites hit full force in the morning.
If you are paying for a MBP you would epect it to handle PRO Hard Drive Read & Write Speeds such as SSD.
Golly, at least that's what the people on MacRumors, Engadget, CNet & Computer World are saying but you are the smart one as you've pointed out countless times.
Pay for last years Speeds and Buy a Pro computer that can handle but can't take advantage of SSD speeds. Doesn't seem to be a pro model to the 11 page of forum posters on MacRumors and sure as heck isn't going to be a good day for Apple when the rest of the sites hit full force in the morning.
May be a good day to Short Apple tomorrow.
Just like all of Apple’s other unexpected performance or feature downgrades it’s unfortunate, though this one seems to have engineering reasons for it, but as I stated, my question is: how is this bait and switch. This is a defined term, not something you can just throw around to paint a company you dislike in a bad light.
Either Apple advertised these MBP with 3Mbps SATA or they didn’t. Or you’d have to prove that the ‘Pro’ is well defined computing term which includes a 3Mbps SATA by definiton (like how Hi-Speed USB clearly refers to USB2.0 with speeds of 480Mbps while Full-Speed USb referred to USB1.0 running at 12Mbps). Do the display models at Apple Stores have 3Mbps for the Serial-ATA drives in System Profile to trick consumers before they buy?
For all I know, all of those do exist, I’m merely asking where is the proof of the initial bait as I’ve never seen Apple advertise most of their technical specs.
Just like all of Apple?s other unexpected performance or feature downgrades it?s unexpected and unfortunate, though this one seems to have engineering reasons for it, but as I stated, but my question is: how is this bait and switch. This is a defined term, not something you can just throw around to show a company you hate in a bad light.
Either Apple advertised the Mac Pro with 3Mbps SATA or theey didn?t. Or you?d have to prove that the ?Pro? is well defined to include 3Mbps. Do the display models at Apple Stores have 3Mbps for the Serial-ATA drives in System Profile to trick consumers before they buy?
For all I know, all of those do exist, I?m merely asking where is the proof of the initial bait as I?ve never seen Apple advertise most of their technical specs. Usually it takes a good deal of digging to find it.
I don't need or care to discuss it with you, it's being called a bait and switch even on Apple sites. These are not my words.
I merely pointed out that people are paying for downgraded last year?s speeds as people at the rest of the sites can clearly understand.
They are mad that they can't upgrade to SSD when Macs last so long and if they do they aren't taking advantage of current technology or speeds.
But you?re right it won?t mean a thing to people in the video market.
That is why such posters are considered trolls. When they can discuss there opinions as opinions and come at a idea, not as why Apple (or any company) is simply wrong or bad for not doing what they want, but why the move isn’t good for their long term business goal of the company then that trollish status will change.
I dunno Solip... while I agree with some of what you said, the knee-jerk Apple apologistas aren't really any better than the 'trolls'. The apologistas wind themselves in knots trying to justify each and every move Apple makes, short-term or otherwise, often lose the forest for the trees in the process, and wind up being wrong, often as not. What's the point of that, 'cept maybe that it's a great way to kill time?
The fact that someone can come up with a long, convoluted argument as to why a thing MUST be a certain way, or why a certain feature MUST NOT be implemented, then beat down any and all opposing points of view through debating skill, vehemence and a modicum of technical knowledge, only to find out at the next hardware or software revision that they were entirely wrong, and all their arguing, theorizing, and rationalizing was for naught... that to me is a certain kind of mental masturbation that seems pointless, tragic, and bit funny, all at the same time. And no one does it better than certain AIers.
Fact is, the 'trolls' seem to be batting a better average lately than those with the mad debating skills and a bit of tech knowledge, because the 'trolls' see things in terms of needs and wants, which is a lot of what drives product development, actually, and is probably closer to how Steve sees things than the more purely engineering-driven viewpoint... Steve, after all, is not an engineer. He is, to use Gates' words, a "super salesman" who knows what the consumer wants, and occasionally even knows what the consumer wants before the consumer knows it (though even he certainly hasn't batted a thousand there).
You may not like that the 'trolls' have not been reliably good at articulating an overarching rationale for their wants, or that they have not joined in the tech-weenie debates on how to get from point A to point B (and I love tech-weenie debates, btw), but that does not render their wants and needs any less valid.
Apple doesn't seem to think so, anyway. And thank goodness for that.
You may not like that the 'trolls' have not been reliably good at articulating an overarching rationale for their wants, or that they have not joined in the tech-weenie debates on how to get from point A to point B (and I love tech-weenie debates, btw), but that does not render their wants and needs any less valid.
Apple doesn't seem to think so, anyway. And thank goodness for that.
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If I didn't know better I would have thought that was a reply by TechStud.
Thank You for at least showing reason and an open mind with a post from, as you so eloquently put it a Troll.
I dunno Solip... while I agree with some of what you said, the knee-jerk Apple apologistas aren't really any better than the 'trolls'. The apologistas wind themselves in knots trying to justify each and every move Apple makes, short-term or otherwise, often lose the forest for the trees in the process, and wind up being wrong, often as not. What's the point of that, 'cept maybe that it's a great way to kill time?[
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Making hyperbolic and absolute statements about how evil a company is for doing business they way they seem fit within the law is not objective. There is no speculation on their part. No questioning, no inquiring, no research or an inkling of thought as to way a company would do what it is doing. That is may not be trolling, it be just emotional immaturely, but it sure isn’t far away from being trollish, IMO.
As for the better batting average I’m not sure where you are getting that. Apple has a long history of raising and lowering prices, they also have a history of changing their machines around, but to constantly scream that they dont’ have enough and cost too much is not insight. I want my products to be cheaper and do more, but I dont’ feel entitled to anything. If Apple offers product that best fit my needs within a price range I’ll buy it from them, if they don’t, like my HP Media Smart Server( Windows Home Server), then I won’t.
The idea that ‘loyal’ Apple customers should not be required to fulfill their cellular contracts or that Apple has maliciously pulled a ‘bait and switch’ with SATA stated as hyperbolic, absolutes are not objective statements by any stretch of the word. Everything has a reason, so why not use reasoning to at least attempt to figure out what it is. Anecdotal evidence about AT&T not having good reception in one’s area should be regarded as such. It’s the all or nothing wrapped in constant negativity that seems to push the troll label.
Making hyperbolic and absolute statements about how evil a company is for doing business they way they seem fit within the law is not objective. There is no speculation on their part. No questioning, no inquiring, no research or an inkling of thought as to way a company would do what it is doing. That is may not be trolling, it be just emotional immaturely, but it sure isn’t far away from being trollish, IMO.
As for the better batting average I’m not sure where you are getting that. Apple has a long history of raising and lowering prices, they also have a history of changing their machines around, but to constantly scream that they dont’ have enough and cost too much is not insight. I want my products to be cheaper and do more, but I dont’ feel entitled to anything. If Apple offers product that best fit my needs within a price range I’ll buy it from them, if they don’t, like my HP Media Smart Server( Windows Home Server), then I won’t.
The idea that ‘loyal’ Apple customers should not be required to fulfill their cellular contracts or that Apple has maliciously pulled a ‘bait and switch’ with SATA stated as hyperbolic, absolutes are not objective statements by any stretch of the word. Everything has a reason, so why not use reasoning to at least attempt to figure out what it is. Anecdotal evidence about AT&T not having good reception in one’s area should be regarded as such. It’s the all or nothing wrapped in constant negativity that seems to push the troll label.
"That is may not be trolling, it be just emotional immaturely, but it sure isn’t far away from being trollish, IMO."
Now you just sound like Sarah Palin. You know, wink, wink, you betcha.
You were responding to Tbag and he didn't mention AT&T, 3G contracts or anything even in the relm of them in his last post, I believe (not quoting or putting words in his posting) that he was saying "keep and open mind".
Edit. I'd call it putting words in his mouth to fit your reply. They can only be examples if he used them in his response to you or made even the slightest hint of any of your "Examples".
You were responding to Tbag and he didn't mention AT&T, 3G contracts or anything even in the realm of them in his last post, I believe (not quoting or putting words in his posting) that he was saying "keep an open mind".
Yup. But that's not the AI way. It's usually all about demonizing those who disagree with you/Apple, and winning the argument. Sigh.
I'm sure on some level, Solip and the others must realize that not everyone who disagrees with the Apple party line on some issues fits into the neat little cubbyhole of 'troll'. A few certainly do, and I don't have much sympathy for those folks. But many don't.
But you'd never know it to listen to certain folks. It's all black-and-white in their minds.
In any case, Seahawk, AI can be valuable once in awhile, to hear said party line. But better conversations are to be had elsewhere, which is why I'm only an occasional visitor. Stay at your sanity's own risk.
I'm out. Oh, and Solip, say hi to Mel for me. I was a bit rough on him last time I was here.
Yup. But that's not the AI way. It's usually all about demonizing those who disagree with you/Apple, and winning the argument. Sigh.
I'm sure on some level, Solip and the others must realize that not everyone who disagrees with the Apple party line on some issues fits into the neat little cubbyhole of 'troll'. A few certainly do, and I don't have much sympathy for those folks. But many don't.
But you'd never know it to listen to certain folks. It's all black-and-white in their minds.
In any case, Seahawk, AI can be valuable once in awhile, to hear said party line. But better conversations are to be had elsewhere, which is why I'm only an occasional visitor. Stay at your sanity's own risk.
I'm out. Oh, and Solip, say hi to Mel for me. I was a bit rough on him last time I was here.
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Seriosuly, TBaggins, you see a direct response to you including examples of what is being discussed as a reference to Sarah Palin and statements that suggest that next poster can only use an example if the previous poster used an example as normal? He and Teckstud may not be trolls but their thought processes is so unusual and out there that the term is much nicer than other things that come to mind. He is speaking English and it’s clear it’s his first language, so that isn’t a communication barrier, it’s comes across as completely mental. I don’t know how else to explain it and that is what throws these threads off, because person after person starts responding trying to make sense of it. They are both on my ignore list, but it’s vBulletin still shows the replies others make so it doesn’t help much. If you’d like to translate their posts, go ahead, but there is enough trouble with communicating well with people that have good communication skills. AS for black-and-white, stating nothing but pejorative comments or positive comments about anything is defined as such. That regular posters don’t do either. There are discussions and questions and inquiries, not emotionally driven off the cuff remarks about how great or how bad Apple is.
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The white Macbook is a huge huge huge seller for the education market, both to schools and to students themselves.
I was half expecting there to be a poly-carb 15” MB now that the 13” unibody has gone Pro. I know I prefer the 13” size, but 15” seems to be the most popular and I’d wager most people don’t need or care about a discreet GPU or high-quality display type (ie: they are fine with TN). Of course, the 15” MBP drop to a 9400M cancels that somewhat and Apple hasn’t produced a 15” plastic shell since the iBook.
You are 100% correct. Notice how not one of them mentioned the same thing about their idiotic mantra- "Troll". What's most amazing is that somehow they think it actually offends because in reality it only makes them look really stupid and pathetic because they can't think for themselves. They way they've defended all kinds of things over the years is just amazing. And now everything they've called me and others Troll on is happening.
1.) A small powerful laptop.
2.) Firewire
3.) MMS texting and pics
4.) Video on a phone
5.) Lower pricing
6.) Matte screen.
I still like them all though- what a bunch of characters.
Take #1 away. Apple pulled a bait and switch and it was posted today on MacRumors.
Link http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/14/...ata-interface/
Partial Quote.
1.) It appears nearly certain that the new 13" and 15" MacBook Pros are all reporting a SATA interface running at 1.5Gb and not the faster 3.0Gb rate that has been in pretty common use for the last few years. These new models have the Secure Digital (SD) slot and also appear to have redesigned motherboards.
2.) Those who are using standard hard disk drives will probably see no difference in performance. If that is you, you can stop reading now.
3.) Benchmarks on FAST solid-state drives (SSDs) are showing a decrease in RAW disk i/o transfer rates on these same systems (in comparison to the previous generation MacBook Pros and MacBooks).
4.) The largest differences in the benchmark results seem to be in large, sequential disk READS (one of the traditional strengths with SSDs).
5.) To the best of my knowledge, no one has done any test with REAL-WORLD operations to show that the user experience (i.e. "performance") will be decreased with the 1.5Gb SATA interface. That is to say that thus far we've only seen benchmarks done with RAW disk i/o benchmarking tools.
6.) No one really knows why this has been done and no one knows whether it can be fixed with a software/firmware update (it may or may not be able to be fixed).
Take #1 away. Apple pulled a bait and switch and it was posted today on MacRumors.
Gosh darnnit, that whole college eduction thing is getting in my way agaian. While unexpected, for the life of me I can't recall a single definition of bait and switch that fits this scenerio. Apple's current and previous website didn't list the SATA speed. I would surely love to hear an explantion, golly I would.
Gosh darnnit, that whole college eduction thing is getting in my way agaian. While unexpected, for the life of me I can't recall a single definition of bait and switch that fits this scenerio. Apple's current and previous website didn't list the SATA speed. I would surely love to hear an explantion, golly I would.
If you are paying for a MBP you would epect it to handle PRO Hard Drive Read & Write Speeds such as SSD.
Golly, at least that's what the people on MacRumors, Engadget, CNet & Computer World are saying but you are the smart one as you've pointed out countless times.
Pay for last years Speeds and Buy a Pro computer that can handle but can't take advantage of SSD speeds. Doesn't seem to be a pro model to the 11 page of forum posters on MacRumors and sure as heck isn't going to be a good day for Apple when the rest of the sites hit full force in the morning.
May be a good day to Short Apple tomorrow.
If you are paying for a MBP you would epect it to handle PRO Hard Drive Read & Write Speeds such as SSD.
Golly, at least that's what the people on MacRumors, Engadget, CNet & Computer World are saying but you are the smart one as you've pointed out countless times.
Pay for last years Speeds and Buy a Pro computer that can handle but can't take advantage of SSD speeds. Doesn't seem to be a pro model to the 11 page of forum posters on MacRumors and sure as heck isn't going to be a good day for Apple when the rest of the sites hit full force in the morning.
May be a good day to Short Apple tomorrow.
Just like all of Apple’s other unexpected performance or feature downgrades it’s unfortunate, though this one seems to have engineering reasons for it, but as I stated, my question is: how is this bait and switch. This is a defined term, not something you can just throw around to paint a company you dislike in a bad light.
Either Apple advertised these MBP with 3Mbps SATA or they didn’t. Or you’d have to prove that the ‘Pro’ is well defined computing term which includes a 3Mbps SATA by definiton (like how Hi-Speed USB clearly refers to USB2.0 with speeds of 480Mbps while Full-Speed USb referred to USB1.0 running at 12Mbps). Do the display models at Apple Stores have 3Mbps for the Serial-ATA drives in System Profile to trick consumers before they buy?
For all I know, all of those do exist, I’m merely asking where is the proof of the initial bait as I’ve never seen Apple advertise most of their technical specs.
Just like all of Apple?s other unexpected performance or feature downgrades it?s unexpected and unfortunate, though this one seems to have engineering reasons for it, but as I stated, but my question is: how is this bait and switch. This is a defined term, not something you can just throw around to show a company you hate in a bad light.
Either Apple advertised the Mac Pro with 3Mbps SATA or theey didn?t. Or you?d have to prove that the ?Pro? is well defined to include 3Mbps. Do the display models at Apple Stores have 3Mbps for the Serial-ATA drives in System Profile to trick consumers before they buy?
For all I know, all of those do exist, I?m merely asking where is the proof of the initial bait as I?ve never seen Apple advertise most of their technical specs. Usually it takes a good deal of digging to find it.
I don't need or care to discuss it with you, it's being called a bait and switch even on Apple sites. These are not my words.
I merely pointed out that people are paying for downgraded last year?s speeds as people at the rest of the sites can clearly understand.
They are mad that they can't upgrade to SSD when Macs last so long and if they do they aren't taking advantage of current technology or speeds.
But you?re right it won?t mean a thing to people in the video market.
That is why such posters are considered trolls. When they can discuss there opinions as opinions and come at a idea, not as why Apple (or any company) is simply wrong or bad for not doing what they want, but why the move isn’t good for their long term business goal of the company then that trollish status will change.
I dunno Solip... while I agree with some of what you said, the knee-jerk Apple apologistas aren't really any better than the 'trolls'. The apologistas wind themselves in knots trying to justify each and every move Apple makes, short-term or otherwise, often lose the forest for the trees in the process, and wind up being wrong, often as not. What's the point of that, 'cept maybe that it's a great way to kill time?
The fact that someone can come up with a long, convoluted argument as to why a thing MUST be a certain way, or why a certain feature MUST NOT be implemented, then beat down any and all opposing points of view through debating skill, vehemence and a modicum of technical knowledge, only to find out at the next hardware or software revision that they were entirely wrong, and all their arguing, theorizing, and rationalizing was for naught... that to me is a certain kind of mental masturbation that seems pointless, tragic, and bit funny, all at the same time. And no one does it better than certain AIers.
Fact is, the 'trolls' seem to be batting a better average lately than those with the mad debating skills and a bit of tech knowledge, because the 'trolls' see things in terms of needs and wants, which is a lot of what drives product development, actually, and is probably closer to how Steve sees things than the more purely engineering-driven viewpoint... Steve, after all, is not an engineer. He is, to use Gates' words, a "super salesman" who knows what the consumer wants, and occasionally even knows what the consumer wants before the consumer knows it (though even he certainly hasn't batted a thousand there).
You may not like that the 'trolls' have not been reliably good at articulating an overarching rationale for their wants, or that they have not joined in the tech-weenie debates on how to get from point A to point B (and I love tech-weenie debates, btw), but that does not render their wants and needs any less valid.
Apple doesn't seem to think so, anyway. And thank goodness for that.
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You may not like that the 'trolls' have not been reliably good at articulating an overarching rationale for their wants, or that they have not joined in the tech-weenie debates on how to get from point A to point B (and I love tech-weenie debates, btw), but that does not render their wants and needs any less valid.
Apple doesn't seem to think so, anyway. And thank goodness for that.
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If I didn't know better I would have thought that was a reply by TechStud.
Thank You for at least showing reason and an open mind with a post from, as you so eloquently put it a Troll.
I dunno Solip... while I agree with some of what you said, the knee-jerk Apple apologistas aren't really any better than the 'trolls'. The apologistas wind themselves in knots trying to justify each and every move Apple makes, short-term or otherwise, often lose the forest for the trees in the process, and wind up being wrong, often as not. What's the point of that, 'cept maybe that it's a great way to kill time?[
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Making hyperbolic and absolute statements about how evil a company is for doing business they way they seem fit within the law is not objective. There is no speculation on their part. No questioning, no inquiring, no research or an inkling of thought as to way a company would do what it is doing. That is may not be trolling, it be just emotional immaturely, but it sure isn’t far away from being trollish, IMO.
As for the better batting average I’m not sure where you are getting that. Apple has a long history of raising and lowering prices, they also have a history of changing their machines around, but to constantly scream that they dont’ have enough and cost too much is not insight. I want my products to be cheaper and do more, but I dont’ feel entitled to anything. If Apple offers product that best fit my needs within a price range I’ll buy it from them, if they don’t, like my HP Media Smart Server( Windows Home Server), then I won’t.
The idea that ‘loyal’ Apple customers should not be required to fulfill their cellular contracts or that Apple has maliciously pulled a ‘bait and switch’ with SATA stated as hyperbolic, absolutes are not objective statements by any stretch of the word. Everything has a reason, so why not use reasoning to at least attempt to figure out what it is. Anecdotal evidence about AT&T not having good reception in one’s area should be regarded as such. It’s the all or nothing wrapped in constant negativity that seems to push the troll label.
Making hyperbolic and absolute statements about how evil a company is for doing business they way they seem fit within the law is not objective. There is no speculation on their part. No questioning, no inquiring, no research or an inkling of thought as to way a company would do what it is doing. That is may not be trolling, it be just emotional immaturely, but it sure isn’t far away from being trollish, IMO.
As for the better batting average I’m not sure where you are getting that. Apple has a long history of raising and lowering prices, they also have a history of changing their machines around, but to constantly scream that they dont’ have enough and cost too much is not insight. I want my products to be cheaper and do more, but I dont’ feel entitled to anything. If Apple offers product that best fit my needs within a price range I’ll buy it from them, if they don’t, like my HP Media Smart Server( Windows Home Server), then I won’t.
The idea that ‘loyal’ Apple customers should not be required to fulfill their cellular contracts or that Apple has maliciously pulled a ‘bait and switch’ with SATA stated as hyperbolic, absolutes are not objective statements by any stretch of the word. Everything has a reason, so why not use reasoning to at least attempt to figure out what it is. Anecdotal evidence about AT&T not having good reception in one’s area should be regarded as such. It’s the all or nothing wrapped in constant negativity that seems to push the troll label.
"That is may not be trolling, it be just emotional immaturely, but it sure isn’t far away from being trollish, IMO."
Now you just sound like Sarah Palin. You know, wink, wink, you betcha.
You were responding to Tbag and he didn't mention AT&T, 3G contracts or anything even in the relm of them in his last post, I believe (not quoting or putting words in his posting) that he was saying "keep and open mind".
You were responding to Tbag and he didn't mention AT&T, 3G contracts or anything even in the relm of them in his last post.
Those are called examples.
Those are called examples.
You betcha, ya know. Wink Wink.
Edit. I'd call it putting words in his mouth to fit your reply. They can only be examples if he used them in his response to you or made even the slightest hint of any of your "Examples".
Go to bed, this is getting tiresome.
You were responding to Tbag and he didn't mention AT&T, 3G contracts or anything even in the realm of them in his last post, I believe (not quoting or putting words in his posting) that he was saying "keep an open mind".
Yup. But that's not the AI way. It's usually all about demonizing those who disagree with you/Apple, and winning the argument. Sigh.
I'm sure on some level, Solip and the others must realize that not everyone who disagrees with the Apple party line on some issues fits into the neat little cubbyhole of 'troll'. A few certainly do, and I don't have much sympathy for those folks. But many don't.
But you'd never know it to listen to certain folks. It's all black-and-white in their minds.
In any case, Seahawk, AI can be valuable once in awhile, to hear said party line. But better conversations are to be had elsewhere, which is why I'm only an occasional visitor. Stay at your sanity's own risk.
I'm out. Oh, and Solip, say hi to Mel for me. I was a bit rough on him last time I was here.
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Yup. But that's not the AI way. It's usually all about demonizing those who disagree with you/Apple, and winning the argument. Sigh.
I'm sure on some level, Solip and the others must realize that not everyone who disagrees with the Apple party line on some issues fits into the neat little cubbyhole of 'troll'. A few certainly do, and I don't have much sympathy for those folks. But many don't.
But you'd never know it to listen to certain folks. It's all black-and-white in their minds.
In any case, Seahawk, AI can be valuable once in awhile, to hear said party line. But better conversations are to be had elsewhere, which is why I'm only an occasional visitor. Stay at your sanity's own risk.
I'm out. Oh, and Solip, say hi to Mel for me. I was a bit rough on him last time I was here.
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Seriosuly, TBaggins, you see a direct response to you including examples of what is being discussed as a reference to Sarah Palin and statements that suggest that next poster can only use an example if the previous poster used an example as normal? He and Teckstud may not be trolls but their thought processes is so unusual and out there that the term is much nicer than other things that come to mind. He is speaking English and it’s clear it’s his first language, so that isn’t a communication barrier, it’s comes across as completely mental. I don’t know how else to explain it and that is what throws these threads off, because person after person starts responding trying to make sense of it. They are both on my ignore list, but it’s vBulletin still shows the replies others make so it doesn’t help much. If you’d like to translate their posts, go ahead, but there is enough trouble with communicating well with people that have good communication skills. AS for black-and-white, stating nothing but pejorative comments or positive comments about anything is defined as such. That regular posters don’t do either. There are discussions and questions and inquiries, not emotionally driven off the cuff remarks about how great or how bad Apple is.