The website http://macmatte.wordpress.com has a review of a number of online polls on the glossy and matte debate, and the average is that 40% prefer matte. So yes, 40% is a minority, but not a small minority.
Actually, considering that isn't a scientific poll, but an open poll those results are pretty pathetic.
Especially considering how strong an opinion the anti-glossy people have.
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Ask yourself this question, if it weren't such a large majority, would these debates be so vociferous?
A very vocal minority. If it weren't such a minority, polls like the one you referenced would be far more skewed toward the matte side.
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The matte crowd is vocal because the issue of how you feel at ease with a screen is fundamental to the computer user's experience.
And I can understand that. That's why I do (truely!) wish that Apple would just offer the @%#$ matte displays across the line - they can obviously do it as they have with the 17"
You've gotta be kidding. Like Apple did their research that told them to remove Firewire from the MacBook -- and only after the outcry, they bring Firewire back in the latest MacBook?
Or, perhaps they ran out of physical room in the first design of the MacBook, and re-designed the new one (non-removeable battery and removal of express card with the smaller, less complex SD card slot) so that it had enough room to add the port back?
I realize that's not as much fun as getting to label Steve a dictator, but it's probably far more accurate then some vast conspiracy of personality.
Predicted, predicted, predicted. Asserting that these features are easy to implement because they have it on the desktop version is not the same as stating they come when they get worked out. It’s clear now that MMS is an AT&T issue, not Apple, one that I tested months ago along with tethering.
You constantly stated that iPhone didn't need MMS and was not the way to go. And now it is here both text and pics.
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Predicted this too, yet you told me Apple wouldn’t update the uMB display without making a big todo about it first.
You distort- you constantly stated the MBA was the choice for a smaller powerful laptop and that Apple would not go the route of the SOny TT series. It has now with the 13" and esp with the SD slot.
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And predicted, as my previous reposting of posts from last year and many, many times since then indicated.
Again you change with the wind- you said firewire was being phased out and USB was the way to go.
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They also look at how Apple works as a company, not how they’d like Apple to work to suit their selfish needs.
You the one who said you wanted an iPod that talks to you- not me. So I have no idea what you are talking about.
Wow, what a keen insight into the thought process of those at Apple. You care to back that assertion up with anything other then anecdotal evidence? Because I think they are just addressing a preference that some people have. Just like they only off the express card on the 17" MBP now too.
Look, I already explained my rationale yesterday. I'm fine if you don't agree with that. If what you want are some Apple internal fact sheets or documents to back myself, I don't have any, but same as you and others who believe that Apple just simply wants to provide an extra option for users to choose from.
Are you saying i am stupid ??? Or did you buy glossy and feel stupid ?
welcome to the boards
It's just funny to see how people take the sentence "many ignorant users like glossy screen" as "all glossy screen users are ignorant" or "all glossy screens are crap".
If you people just can't figure out that many products that you think are good might have many ignorant users as well, that's fine with me. I can't stop you from embarrassing yourself.
On that point, what are they saying about 17" MBP users, that is somehow not relevant to 13 and 15 inch MBP users?
That is also what I questioned as well and I haven't seen any valid answers from those who believe that Apple just simply wants to provide more options for the users. Someone gave me a crappy answer like "17" model has been the only one to have matte option since Apple shifted to glossy screen. That's why." which is obviously not a valid answer.
All anticipated products don?t sell as well after the initial rush. You and mechengit need to learn that words have meaning, you should think before you type and that no amount of backpedaling is going to help when there is written proof of your lies all over the place.
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You constantly stated that iPhone didn't need MMS and was not the way to go. And now it is here both text and pics.
I said it?s a rip off that shouldn?t be used until the price gouging is stopped. I don?t make absolute statements about how things shouldn?t be included at all or how no one needs this. I don?t see the work through my own selfish need.s
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You distort- you constantly stated the MBA was the choice for a smaller powerful laptop and that Apple would not go the route of the SOny TT series. It has now with the 13" and esp with the SD slot.
Apple has not gone the route of the Sony TT. The TT is considerablt slower than even the MBA and only has an 11? display. Why aren?t crying that it?s netbook that costs too much.
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Again you change with the wind- you said firewire was being phased out and USB was the way to go.
FW400. Readng comprehension is important if you ever want to venture into there real world. I even gave you posts from when I said exactly that and speculated that FW800 would come back when the bottom case was sealed. That was posted back in 2008. How many times can you be wrong at once and how many arguments can you lose before you realize that you?ll need to start thinking one of these days?
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You the one who said you wanted an iPod that talks to you- not me. So I have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes, I wanted an iPod that uses VoiceOver. I am getting that with the iPhone 3GS and everyone will get that with all the new iPods coming out later this year. Per my history I speculated what would likely be the next move for a company to make and I was right. You can hate me all you want for being right but you can?t deny it.
I know the University study is a little silly. But I completely agree that the glossy screens are a pain. In fact, I waited for the aluminum iMac to come out, took one look at the screen and ordered an older white plastic 2.16 with the non-glare screen. I really don't understand why Apple has abandoned non glare as an option. This is a rare step back in ergonomics, and a medium sized blunder as far as I am concerned.
Yes, I wanted an iPod that uses VoiceOver. I am getting that with the iPhone 3GS and everyone will get that with all the new iPods coming out later this year. Per my history I speculated what would likely be the next move for a company to make and I was right. You can hate me all you want for being right but you can?t deny it.
I don't hate you or anyone/thing at all. But I would never call you selfish for getting what you want yet that's all you call me and others when we get what we want. And you always deny when we are right and you are wrong which is expecially true on this glossy/matte issue. You refuse to acknowledge that the 17" matte was the only one because it came last. You continually stated that matte was never going to come back. Why don't you just admit it and get it over with? COme on- you can do it!
I know the University study is a little silly. But I completely agree that the glossy screens are a pain. In fact, I waited for the aluminum iMac to come out, took one look at the screen and ordered an older white plastic 2.16 with the non-glare screen. I really don't understand why Apple has abandoned non glare as an option. This is a rare step back in ergonomics, and a medium sized blunder as far as I am concerned.
I have the white iMac and will continue to keep it until Apple gets a matte version for the new one. And we are not alone on this matter. That big sheet of glare will never grace my home.
Again you change with the wind- you said firewire was being phased out and USB was the way to go.
I don’t call you selfish for that, I call you selfish for thinking what you want is the only want that should matter. I call you other things for wording your replies as absolutes, not as opinions, speculation, projections, assumption, or any other unmodifiable term.
And for being right…
• "FW3200 running at 3.2Gbps should arrive around, if not before USB3.0 and be about 2x as fast again, so the FW800 port design may still live on.” (10-16-2008)
• "But they are built-into the analog audio input and output so it's not wasted space. Apple supports USB1,0 still, but if USB2.0 used a different port I bet USB1.0 would have been dropped long ago. FW800 will probably stay as FW3200 gets added to the Pro end. (10-15-2008)
• "Engineering wise, it's a dead-end tech. Within a year we should get USB3.0 with no change to the port plugs and will pobably be added within a year. FW400 was dying and we watching it struggle to breath for years now, but we're mad that Apple has finally started to put it out its misery." (10-17-2008)
• "I think FW3200 and USB3.0 will be added, but that makes since because it's a future forward interface standard, using an already used port type. FW400 was a dead end and it's a shame that Apple didn't design FW400's interface standard to be grow as the speed grows” (10-17-2008_
• "Will they remove FW400 from the consumer desktops, while leaving the FW800? It's a toss up since they clearly have the room, but I'm leaning toward the removal to show that FW400 as a port interface is dead.” (11-03-2008)
• "A bit off topic, but I if the next MB and MBP have a non-user replaceable battery we may see more ports added to them. Like an additional USB and a FW800 because they could build farther down the sides if they aren't trying to make it look clean and simple when you pop the cover. Here's hoping.” (04-27-2009)
• "It's the FW400 port standard that is dying, not FW. The proof is the complete lack of support from Apple and the final last move to remove it completely from their Macs after a slow, painful death. (10-17-2008)
Seriously, that took two seconds and I found two of many posts that well predates the 13” MBP release. With Google at your fingertips you might want to use it. It’s quite handy. Now you can go seethe at being foiled again, but I quite having an opponent I can always win against.
If I have to explain to you the definition of both glossy and glare then you are both clueless and hopeless.
No, you do not need to explain those definitions. Even if you had to, this would hardly be a solid basis for deducing that I am "clueless and hopeless".
You still have not provided a logical, coherent justification for your assertion that a particular NYC Apple Store uses older Cinema Displays because of "NO GLARE!". My thesis is that they are being frugal and I explained how I got to it. Once again: do you have more information or arguments to support your opinion?
PS I note that instead of direct personal attacks you now resort to conditional name calling. I imagine that you think that this is safer. I hope that the moderators prove you wrong.
You still have not provided a logical, coherent justification for your assertion that a particular NYC Apple Store uses older Cinema Displays because of "NO GLARE!". My thesis is that they are being frugal and I explained how I got to it. Once again: do you have more information or arguments to support your opinion?
I don?t call you selfish for that, I call you selfish for thinking what you want is the only want that should matter. I call you other things for wording your replies as absolutes, not as opinions, speculation, projections, assumption, or any other unmodifiable term.
And for being right..."Will they remove FW400 from the consumer desktops, while leaving the FW800? It's a toss up since they clearly have the room, but I'm leaning toward the removal to show that FW400 as a port interface is dead.? (11-03-2008) and "A bit off topic, but I if the next MB and MBP have a non-user replaceable battery we may see more ports added to them. Like an additional USB and a FW800 because they could build farther down the sides if they aren't trying to make it look clean and simple when you pop the cover. Here's hoping.? (04-27-2009).
Seriously, that took two seconds and I found two of many posts that well predates the 13? MBP release. With Google at your fingertips you might want to use it. It?s quite handy. Now you can go seethe at being foiled again, but I quite having an opponent I can always win against.
Notice how you've failed to address the matte/glossy argument that you've lost.
After TWO years of waiting for a powerfulI laptop, I was finally ready to buy a new 15" MBP. So I went to the Apple Store in my town (Montreal), two days ago, and played 1 hour on the machine. Seeing all the reflections on the screen, I finally said to myself : "I don't buy this $hit !".
Too bad. I'll wait again until the screens are made descent. Currently, I can't stand them. >:-(
No you don't. You avoid the debate because you have no arguments. You might find it useful to look up the word you triumphantly highlighted.
Perhaps you missed this from Blah64:
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I think teckstud has a good point (OMG!). If you have a bunch of people sitting in fixed positions, then at least one set of people (if not more) are not going to be able to see parts of the screen. That would suck if you were in a class and couldn't see the screen due to the store light reflections.
I suggest you read it then comprehend it. End of story.
Common sense, my friend, common sense. No "thesis" required.
That has been addressed many times, but I suppose when reading comprehension is low repetition is needed.
Fact: Glossy and matte each have their pros and cons.
Fact: Some people prefer matte over glossy and vice versa.
Fact: Apple has chosen to only offer matter as a paid upgrade for only one of their notebooks.
Opinion: "ignorant consumers like the glossy screen.? or ?many, if not most, customers who like glossy screens are ignorant"
Opinion: I know some fans of matte on this forum that personify ignorance.
Fact: You emphatically stated - no more mattes -last fall. One has since been manufactured and more will follow. You will see. And then how will your weasel you way out of it?
Fact: You emphatically stated - no more mattes -last fall. One has since been manufactured and more will follow. You will see. And then how will your weasel you way out of it?
Admit it- admit it? You can do it.
If it’s a fact, produce a single post where i said Apple will never produce another matte displays. Note, finding a post that states my preference for glossy is not a Teckstudian disdain for matte, nor is concrete statement that matte is going away forever. One day, you’ll realize that Apple is not your company and that your wishes do not always reflect their wishes. Matte will come if there is a substantial enough market for for them to justify it. That is how business works.
Remember, it’s Teckstudian logic that only thinks in absolutes, most people use qualifiers and variables wen making predictions.
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The website http://macmatte.wordpress.com has a review of a number of online polls on the glossy and matte debate, and the average is that 40% prefer matte. So yes, 40% is a minority, but not a small minority.
Actually, considering that isn't a scientific poll, but an open poll those results are pretty pathetic.
Especially considering how strong an opinion the anti-glossy people have.
Ask yourself this question, if it weren't such a large majority, would these debates be so vociferous?
A very vocal minority. If it weren't such a minority, polls like the one you referenced would be far more skewed toward the matte side.
The matte crowd is vocal because the issue of how you feel at ease with a screen is fundamental to the computer user's experience.
And I can understand that. That's why I do (truely!) wish that Apple would just offer the @%#$ matte displays across the line - they can obviously do it as they have with the 17"
You've gotta be kidding. Like Apple did their research that told them to remove Firewire from the MacBook -- and only after the outcry, they bring Firewire back in the latest MacBook?
Or, perhaps they ran out of physical room in the first design of the MacBook, and re-designed the new one (non-removeable battery and removal of express card with the smaller, less complex SD card slot) so that it had enough room to add the port back?
I realize that's not as much fun as getting to label Steve a dictator, but it's probably far more accurate then some vast conspiracy of personality.
Subsiding after initial release is not stalling.
Stalling is stalling
Predicted, predicted, predicted. Asserting that these features are easy to implement because they have it on the desktop version is not the same as stating they come when they get worked out. It’s clear now that MMS is an AT&T issue, not Apple, one that I tested months ago along with tethering.
You constantly stated that iPhone didn't need MMS and was not the way to go. And now it is here both text and pics.
Predicted this too, yet you told me Apple wouldn’t update the uMB display without making a big todo about it first.
You distort- you constantly stated the MBA was the choice for a smaller powerful laptop and that Apple would not go the route of the SOny TT series. It has now with the 13" and esp with the SD slot.
And predicted, as my previous reposting of posts from last year and many, many times since then indicated.
Again you change with the wind- you said firewire was being phased out and USB was the way to go.
They also look at how Apple works as a company, not how they’d like Apple to work to suit their selfish needs.
You the one who said you wanted an iPod that talks to you- not me. So I have no idea what you are talking about.
Wow, what a keen insight into the thought process of those at Apple. You care to back that assertion up with anything other then anecdotal evidence? Because I think they are just addressing a preference that some people have. Just like they only off the express card on the 17" MBP now too.
Look, I already explained my rationale yesterday. I'm fine if you don't agree with that. If what you want are some Apple internal fact sheets or documents to back myself, I don't have any, but same as you and others who believe that Apple just simply wants to provide an extra option for users to choose from.
WTF
I LOVE GLOSSY SCREENS
IT PLAY MOVIES BACK IN A FINE MODE
sorry for screaming
glossy is so fine .
Are you saying i am stupid ??? Or did you buy glossy and feel stupid ?
welcome to the boards
It's just funny to see how people take the sentence "many ignorant users like glossy screen" as "all glossy screen users are ignorant" or "all glossy screens are crap".
If you people just can't figure out that many products that you think are good might have many ignorant users as well, that's fine with me. I can't stop you from embarrassing yourself.
On that point, what are they saying about 17" MBP users, that is somehow not relevant to 13 and 15 inch MBP users?
That is also what I questioned as well and I haven't seen any valid answers from those who believe that Apple just simply wants to provide more options for the users. Someone gave me a crappy answer like "17" model has been the only one to have matte option since Apple shifted to glossy screen. That's why." which is obviously not a valid answer.
Stalling is stalling
All anticipated products don?t sell as well after the initial rush. You and mechengit need to learn that words have meaning, you should think before you type and that no amount of backpedaling is going to help when there is written proof of your lies all over the place.
You constantly stated that iPhone didn't need MMS and was not the way to go. And now it is here both text and pics.
I said it?s a rip off that shouldn?t be used until the price gouging is stopped. I don?t make absolute statements about how things shouldn?t be included at all or how no one needs this. I don?t see the work through my own selfish need.s
You distort- you constantly stated the MBA was the choice for a smaller powerful laptop and that Apple would not go the route of the SOny TT series. It has now with the 13" and esp with the SD slot.
Apple has not gone the route of the Sony TT. The TT is considerablt slower than even the MBA and only has an 11? display. Why aren?t crying that it?s netbook that costs too much.
Again you change with the wind- you said firewire was being phased out and USB was the way to go.
FW400. Readng comprehension is important if you ever want to venture into there real world. I even gave you posts from when I said exactly that and speculated that FW800 would come back when the bottom case was sealed. That was posted back in 2008. How many times can you be wrong at once and how many arguments can you lose before you realize that you?ll need to start thinking one of these days?
You the one who said you wanted an iPod that talks to you- not me. So I have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes, I wanted an iPod that uses VoiceOver. I am getting that with the iPhone 3GS and everyone will get that with all the new iPods coming out later this year. Per my history I speculated what would likely be the next move for a company to make and I was right. You can hate me all you want for being right but you can?t deny it.
Yes, I wanted an iPod that uses VoiceOver. I am getting that with the iPhone 3GS and everyone will get that with all the new iPods coming out later this year. Per my history I speculated what would likely be the next move for a company to make and I was right. You can hate me all you want for being right but you can?t deny it.
I don't hate you or anyone/thing at all. But I would never call you selfish for getting what you want yet that's all you call me and others when we get what we want. And you always deny when we are right and you are wrong which is expecially true on this glossy/matte issue. You refuse to acknowledge that the 17" matte was the only one because it came last. You continually stated that matte was never going to come back. Why don't you just admit it and get it over with? COme on- you can do it!
I know the University study is a little silly. But I completely agree that the glossy screens are a pain. In fact, I waited for the aluminum iMac to come out, took one look at the screen and ordered an older white plastic 2.16 with the non-glare screen. I really don't understand why Apple has abandoned non glare as an option. This is a rare step back in ergonomics, and a medium sized blunder as far as I am concerned.
I have the white iMac and will continue to keep it until Apple gets a matte version for the new one. And we are not alone on this matter. That big sheet of glare will never grace my home.
Again you change with the wind- you said firewire was being phased out and USB was the way to go.
I don’t call you selfish for that, I call you selfish for thinking what you want is the only want that should matter. I call you other things for wording your replies as absolutes, not as opinions, speculation, projections, assumption, or any other unmodifiable term.
And for being right…Seriously, that took two seconds and I found two of many posts that well predates the 13” MBP release. With Google at your fingertips you might want to use it. It’s quite handy. Now you can go seethe at being foiled again, but I quite having an opponent I can always win against.
If I have to explain to you the definition of both glossy and glare then you are both clueless and hopeless.
No, you do not need to explain those definitions. Even if you had to, this would hardly be a solid basis for deducing that I am "clueless and hopeless".
You still have not provided a logical, coherent justification for your assertion that a particular NYC Apple Store uses older Cinema Displays because of "NO GLARE!". My thesis is that they are being frugal and I explained how I got to it. Once again: do you have more information or arguments to support your opinion?
PS I note that instead of direct personal attacks you now resort to conditional name calling. I imagine that you think that this is safer. I hope that the moderators prove you wrong.
You still have not provided a logical, coherent justification for your assertion that a particular NYC Apple Store uses older Cinema Displays because of "NO GLARE!". My thesis is that they are being frugal and I explained how I got to it. Once again: do you have more information or arguments to support your opinion?
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I rest my case.
I don?t call you selfish for that, I call you selfish for thinking what you want is the only want that should matter. I call you other things for wording your replies as absolutes, not as opinions, speculation, projections, assumption, or any other unmodifiable term.
And for being right..."Will they remove FW400 from the consumer desktops, while leaving the FW800? It's a toss up since they clearly have the room, but I'm leaning toward the removal to show that FW400 as a port interface is dead.? (11-03-2008) and "A bit off topic, but I if the next MB and MBP have a non-user replaceable battery we may see more ports added to them. Like an additional USB and a FW800 because they could build farther down the sides if they aren't trying to make it look clean and simple when you pop the cover. Here's hoping.? (04-27-2009).
Seriously, that took two seconds and I found two of many posts that well predates the 13? MBP release. With Google at your fingertips you might want to use it. It?s quite handy. Now you can go seethe at being foiled again, but I quite having an opponent I can always win against.
Notice how you've failed to address the matte/glossy argument that you've lost.
After TWO years of waiting for a powerfulI laptop, I was finally ready to buy a new 15" MBP. So I went to the Apple Store in my town (Montreal), two days ago, and played 1 hour on the machine. Seeing all the reflections on the screen, I finally said to myself : "I don't buy this $hit !".
Too bad. I'll wait again until the screens are made descent. Currently, I can't stand them. >:-(
I rest my case.
No you don't. You avoid the debate because you have no arguments. You might find it useful to look up the word you triumphantly highlighted.
Notice how you've failed to address the matte/glossy argument that you've lost.
That has been addressed many times, but I suppose when reading comprehension is low repetition is needed.
Fact: Glossy and matte each have their pros and cons.
Fact: Some people prefer matte over glossy and vice versa.
Fact: Apple has chosen to only offer matter as a paid upgrade for only one of their notebooks.
Opinion: "ignorant consumers like the glossy screen.” or “many, if not most, customers who like glossy screens are ignorant"
Opinion: I know some fans of matte on this forum that personify ignorance.
I’m on babysitting duty today so I have nothing else to do any no where else I can go for the next 8 hours.
No you don't. You avoid the debate because you have no arguments. You might find it useful to look up the word you triumphantly highlighted.
Perhaps you missed this from Blah64:
I think teckstud has a good point (OMG!). If you have a bunch of people sitting in fixed positions, then at least one set of people (if not more) are not going to be able to see parts of the screen. That would suck if you were in a class and couldn't see the screen due to the store light reflections.
I suggest you read it then comprehend it. End of story.
Common sense, my friend, common sense. No "thesis" required.
That has been addressed many times, but I suppose when reading comprehension is low repetition is needed.
Fact: Glossy and matte each have their pros and cons.
Fact: Some people prefer matte over glossy and vice versa.
Fact: Apple has chosen to only offer matter as a paid upgrade for only one of their notebooks.
Opinion: "ignorant consumers like the glossy screen.? or ?many, if not most, customers who like glossy screens are ignorant"
Opinion: I know some fans of matte on this forum that personify ignorance.
Fact: You emphatically stated - no more mattes -last fall. One has since been manufactured and more will follow. You will see. And then how will your weasel you way out of it?
Admit it- admit it? You can do it.
Fact: You emphatically stated - no more mattes -last fall. One has since been manufactured and more will follow. You will see. And then how will your weasel you way out of it?
Admit it- admit it? You can do it.
If it’s a fact, produce a single post where i said Apple will never produce another matte displays. Note, finding a post that states my preference for glossy is not a Teckstudian disdain for matte, nor is concrete statement that matte is going away forever. One day, you’ll realize that Apple is not your company and that your wishes do not always reflect their wishes. Matte will come if there is a substantial enough market for for them to justify it. That is how business works.
Remember, it’s Teckstudian logic that only thinks in absolutes, most people use qualifiers and variables wen making predictions.