You mean just like Apple's original stance of iPhone development until they realized what a horrible idea it was and quickly changed their minds?
Palm will do the same.
I don't know if these companies have actually changed their minds in regard to offering a full SDK.
For instance, the iPhone would have had to have been delayed if waiting for a full SDK to be finished prior to release. Opening up brand new APIs to the public is dangerous because APIs remain in flux through the first few updates. If apple allows the public to use the APIs, there is much bitching and moaning when Apps break, developers have to rewrite, and users are stuck with unreliable software.
So what Apple did was to put a positive spin on what they did have to offer, web-based app development. Those standards were more mature and perfectly safe to let 3rd parties use. Apple wasn't about to say: "our product isn't finished but buy it anyway". Instead they showed the merits of what was available without mentioning that something better was on the way.
It is amazing that people attribute dogmatic motivations when products lack certain features. Just like cut-copy-paste. It wasn't that apple didn't think we needed it. They were just endeavoring to do it right, choosing to delay the feature rather than rushing it to market.
has anyone noticed the new update 3.0 the complete back (12gb) takes forever. my one is going for 12hrs. the previous version the backing up from scratch only took 2 hrs for 14 gb. weird. also the actual speed has slowed.
any such issues with other. BTW i have three iphone of the same spec and all doing the same. two are in OSX environment and one in XP.
has anyone noticed the new update 3.0 the complete back (12gb) takes forever. my one is going for 12hrs. the previous version the backing up from scratch only took 2 hrs for 14 gb. weird. also the actual speed has slowed.
any such issues with other. BTW i have three iphone of the same spec and all doing the same. two are in OSX environment and one in XP.
Mine took about 30 seconds on a 16GB iPhone 3G with only 1.4GB free. I?m running v3.0 on iTuens 8.2, connected via USB2.0 on a 2.GHz unibody MB with 4GB RAM.
The backup isn?t recopying all your media files so it should be relatively fast. I?d try restarting everything and try it again.
Mine took about 30 seconds on a 16GB iPhone 3G with only 1.4GB free. I?m running v3.0 on iTuens 8.2, connected via USB2.0 on a 2.GHz unibody MB with 4GB RAM.
The backup isn?t recopying all your media files so it should be relatively fast. I?d try restarting everything and try it again.
thank you for the reply. as i mentioned i have three phones and all three doing the same. i have restarted the machines and the phones but still the same.
i do use "airshare pro" app sold in the app store. it has lots of file in it. could this be the reason why it is taking so long \
anyway some of my friends are reporting a slow down in performance of phone with the new update. i know this shouldn't be the case ... somethings weird happening..
thank you for the reply. as i mentioned i have three phones and all three doing the same. i have restarted the machines and the phones but still the same.
i do use "airshare pro" app sold in the app store. it has lots of file in it. could this be the reason why it is taking so long \
anyway some of my friends are reporting a slow down in performance of phone with the new update. i know this shouldn't be the case ... somethings weird happening..
Have you tried deleting that app from one of your phones and then doing the backup? It?s more than just a file size issue, something it definitely going wrong. If that doesn?t work I?d just wipe it and restore to v3.0 and put on your previous backup.
Have you tried deleting that app from one of your phones and then doing the backup? It?s more than just a file size issue, something it definitely going wrong. If that doesn?t work I?d just wipe it and restore to v3.0 and put on your previous backup.
ok i will try that. also noticed that the "restriction" got turned on and i know for sure that it was not enabled. it asked for a 4 digit PIN which i dont have. according to Iphone manual only way to get off is by "restoring". this is weird
You mean just like Apple's original stance of iPhone development until they realized what a horrible idea it was and quickly changed their minds?
Palm will do the same.
No.
Apple's iPhone has a system built around OS X technologies (Cocoa, Core*, you know the drill).
At first, these APIs were not polished and well-documented enough to make them available to the developer community. As an alternative, Apple suggested that people write SERVER-BASED web apps tailored to the iPhone's screen size & web browser.
The Palm Pre, on the other hand, has a system based around HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc. That's the technology that runs on the device & powers the whole system. When Palm tells developers to use web-technologies, they are telling them to use the native APIs of the device, running ON the device.
The Palm Pre, on the other hand, has a system based around HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc. That's the technology that runs on the device & powers the whole system. When Palm tells developers to use web-technologies, they are telling them to use the native APIs of the device, running ON the device.
In order to grow the platform I think Palm does plan to offer a more robust SDK with APIs that can actually take advantage of the GPU and full power of the other hardware, too. They can still write their apps in webcode, for the most part. I think what Palm did was great; they found a niche that the iPhone didn?t serve and exploited it. There only major gaffe is releasing so close to the iPhone. I think waiting a few months for the iPhone frenzy to die down while perfecting their HW, OS, apps and app store would have served them well.
The irony is that WebOS is built using the Apple funded WebKit. I hope that Apple also implements HTML5?s DB function so that you can save a website as an icon and have it run in the background. This is really the only software advantage the Pre has over the iPhone and something the iPhone 3GS could potentially do with relative ease on the HW and coding on Apple?s part. However, I am fairly certain that Apple will be allowing background apps in a later version of the OS through a very controlled method that will not affect developers programming methods and have little impact on the rest of the device, though the original and 3G will not be included as they don?t have the specs to allow it. Only time will tell.
Anybody else notice you can't copy parts of text from a text message only the entire "bubble"? That's a little annoying since they did c&p so well in the rest of the OS.
These reviews just confirm that it really isn't worth it for a 3G user to upgrade, unless they suffer from the "must have latest and greatest" syndrome. We have to yet to see what the new hardware can do other than load a few apps a few seconds faster.
I really haven't seen anything that warrants such an expensive upgrade. Sure, for 2G and new owners it's great but just isn't enough for a 3G owner. You're really not missing much.
This just makes it all the easier to wait for the dual core iPhone in 2010.
I really haven't seen anything that warrants such an expensive upgrade. Sure, for 2G and new owners it's great but just isn't enough for a 3G owner. You're really not missing much
I fully understand if the upgrade doesn?t appeal to you, personally, but to say that it ?confirm[s] that it really isn't worth it for a 3G user to upgrade? is short sided, at best. The original iPhone to the current iPhone had very little change to it: mainly a GPS and 3G radios. This one has digital compass, presumably a much better CPU and double the RAM (which is needed for the hefty OS X), HSDPA up to 7.2Mbps up from 1.8Mbps, better battery life, full VGA video and a 32GB capacity option. Except for the compass, all the other changes are what I?ve heard people say for 2.5 years that it would need before they would get the iPhone, though I think most of them already have purchased one.
Based on the info available today on what will be available next year in mass production, the 2010 iPhone doesn?t look like it will get any more RAM than 256MB, a faster than 7.2Mbps radio (though hopefully HSUPA is included), a much faster GPU and will probably get the Cortex A9. The A9 will increase speed and reduce overall power consumption, but not like the move from ARMv6 to ARMv7 will be doing this time around. This is a very worthy update for many of us.
Anybody else notice you can't copy parts of text from a text message only the entire "bubble"? That's a little annoying since they did c&p so well in the rest of the OS.
Yeah I noticed but you can edit it once you paste it. Probably those bubbles are not really selectable text anymore but rather an image representation linked to a character string.
So, you ask what's the big deal... I would always get the Pushed (by me) tweet before I got the tweet through normal SMS. Sometimes I got the pushed tweet several minutes before the SMS tweet.
I know it's anecdotal, but hey: a 10-second polling delay; un-optimized desktop programs for polling and submitting; using WiFi over a cable modem... and still beat the direct SMS path.
Not Bad! Not bad, at all!
Actually sounds pretty bad. The SMS problem is with your provider or twitter itself. SMSs shouldn't be slow (possibly even faster due to the distributed nature of SMS vs. more centralised Apple push service). I just checked in for my flight for tommorrow and the SMS containing my boarding pass arrived on my phone under 5 seconds of pressing the "send SMS" button on the web page (I didn't measure it as I didn't think I'd run into a discussion of it soon after) . In this case it went though a minimum of two SMS Centers in two different countries (one in Finland and then in Norway).
I've never understood the fascination for "one-company controlled services" like Blackberry mail and Apple push (the technology idea itself is great though in the latter case). They're single points of failure on a potentially global scale! Exchange push email would be a better choice for the Blackberry case (company controlled distributed service) for example.
Yeah I noticed but you can edit it once you paste it. Probably those bubbles are not really selectable text anymore but rather an image representation linked to a character string.
But then they let you forward them as text - hmm. I was just hoping for an easy way to copy a password sent to me via text message without having to memorize it. Eh well, I've been doing that for 2 years now I can probably make do
I fully understand if the upgrade doesn?t appeal to you, personally, but to say that it ?confirm[s] that it really isn't worth it for a 3G user to upgrade? is short sided, at best. The original iPhone to the current iPhone had very little change to it: mainly a GPS and 3G radios. This one has digital compass, presumably a much better CPU and double the RAM (which is needed for the hefty OS X), HSDPA up to 7.2Mbps up from 1.8Mbps, better battery life, full VGA video and a 32GB capacity option. Except for the compass, all the other changes are what I?ve heard people say for 2.5 years that it would need before they would get the iPhone, though I think most of them already have purchased one.
Based on the info available today on what will be available next year in mass production, the 2010 iPhone doesn?t look like it will get any more RAM than 256MB, a faster than 7.2Mbps radio (though hopefully HSUPA is included), a much faster GPU and will probably get the Cortex A9. The A9 will increase speed and reduce overall power consumption, but not like the move from ARMv6 to ARMv7 will be doing this time around. This is a very worthy update for many of us.
Um, do you have any idea what you're talking about? The processor change was from ARM 11 to ARM 8. The only rumors about next years phone are the rumors about the dual core. So you have zero evidence to back that up.
Believe me, you don't want to get into the "which was bigger" upgrade debate. It doesn't turn out well for the 3GS. Besides the "snappier" experience, what has yet to come of it? The awe-inspiring apps that will take >9 months to make because they're so complex and....."awe-inspiring (about when we start hear about the newest iPhone. The "double" power will do nothing because of the 40 million consumer market developers would have to leave behind. It will make your experience a little "snappier".
So, I ask you this. Is it worth it to pay $500 for the "snappier" experience and get locked into another 2 year contract, and have to pay another $500 next year to get the even better 2010 iPhone. No. Simply because we have yet to see why the 3GS is worth the upgrade.
And please. Upgraders love pulling out the "compass, voice control, new camera etc". You KNOW that the 3G and GPS were the MOST demanded features. To equate 3G and GPS to voice control and a compass....rather naive. In sheer number of updates, sure the 3GS' list is longer. In demand, and application, the addition of 3G and GPS was far greater than anything added to the 3GS. The only upgrades that are even close to the same level as the 3G and GPS are the hardware boost and camera. The voice control and compass are novel at best.
By the way, you forgot the addition of an OLED screen and multitasking with the new 2010 iPhone.
Um, do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Yes. But you obviously don’t.
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The processor change was from ARM 11 to ARM 8.
ARM11 is ARMv6. ARM8 is ARMv4. The newest ARMs are ARMv7, also known as Cortex A8, with next year’s dual-core models being Cortex A9, but still being ARMv7 architecture and in the Cortex family.
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The only rumors about next years phone are the rumors about the dual core. So you have zero evidence to back that up.
That is why it’s a rumor, but we can deduce that if it is dual-core then it will likely be based on A9.
Um, do you have any idea what you're talking about? The processor change was from ARM 11 to ARM 8. The only rumors about next years phone are the rumors about the dual core. So you have zero evidence to back that up.
Believe me, you don't want to get into the "which was bigger" upgrade debate. It doesn't turn out well for the 3GS. Besides the "snappier" experience, what has yet to come of it? The awe-inspiring apps that will take >9 months to make because they're so complex and....."awe-inspiring (about when we start hear about the newest iPhone. The "double" power will do nothing because of the 40 million consumer market developers would have to leave behind. It will make your experience a little "snappier".
So, I ask you this. Is it worth it to pay $500 for the "snappier" experience and get locked into another 2 year contract, and have to pay another $500 next year to get the even better 2010 iPhone. No. Simply because we have yet to see why the 3GS is worth the upgrade.
And please. Upgraders love pulling out the "compass, voice control, new camera etc". You KNOW that the 3G and GPS were the MOST demanded features. To equate 3G and GPS to voice control and a compass....rather naive. In sheer number of updates, sure the 3GS' list is longer. In demand, and application, the addition of 3G and GPS was far greater than anything added to the 3GS. The only upgrades that are even close to the same level as the 3G and GPS are the hardware boost and camera. The voice control and compass are novel at best.
By the way, you forgot the addition of an OLED screen and multitasking with the new 2010 iPhone.
Hmmm, that appears to amount to a bunch of snarky handwaving to say, again, that the upgrade isn't worth it to you, which is something Solopism acknowledged.
But for a lot of people (and we can wait and see, but I'm guessing it's nothing you'd want to bet on) this is a compelling upgrade with solid hardware improvements that enable some pretty cool features.
Your "why pay now when something better is coming" line would be an argument against upgrading any hardware, ever, so I'm not sure it's one you really want to make.
That is why it’s a rumor, but we can deduce that if it is dual-core then it will likely be based on A9.
It's not worth correcting you.
So basically you have no evidence.
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The rest of your post made no sense…
Wow. Just wow. Nice dodge.
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Your "why pay now when something better is coming" line would be an argument against upgrading any hardware, ever, so I'm not sure it's one you really want to make.
You missed my entire first post didn't you? You know, before you people get all defensive about spending so much money and trying to justify it later, how about you actually acknowledge the topic I brought up.
If you had read the post, you'd realize my question was not wait until the next best thing. It was:
Why spend $500, when the next best thing is $300 and better, and you won't have to spend $500 AGAIN. Please, do not put words into my mouth.
I gave you the facts, if you don?t new that current iPhone is ARMv6 and the Palm Pre (probably what is tomorrow?s iPhone) is ARMv7 architecture than I don?t know what to tell you.
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Wow. Just wow. Nice dodge.
Trying to respond rationally to irrational ramblings is not easy. If you want to reword it then be my guest, I?ll try to respond where needed, but try to be less caustic, especially if you are going to be incorrect.
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You missed my entire first post didn't you? You know, before you people get all defensive about spending so much money and trying to justify it later, how about you actually acknowledge the topic I brought up.
You mean the acknowledgments we all did regarding the massive HW improvements?
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If you had read the post, you'd realize my question was not wait until the next best thing. It was:
Why spend $500, when the next best thing is $300 and better, and you won't have to spend $500 AGAIN. Please, do not put words into my mouth.
See, how does is that supposed to make sense to English speaking, learned adults? What is the best thing? How about using a proper noun? Are you saying, ?Why not just skip a year between releases so you can get the upgrade eligible pricing?? If so, how about, ?Because we don?t want to.?? Some of us aren?t bothered by spending a few hundred dollars. In the grand scheme of things, the convenience of having a faster device, with more storage and with more HW features is worth the cost. I understand that it may not be for you, and thats fine, but don?t push your buying habits on everyone else.
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You mean just like Apple's original stance of iPhone development until they realized what a horrible idea it was and quickly changed their minds?
Palm will do the same.
I don't know if these companies have actually changed their minds in regard to offering a full SDK.
For instance, the iPhone would have had to have been delayed if waiting for a full SDK to be finished prior to release. Opening up brand new APIs to the public is dangerous because APIs remain in flux through the first few updates. If apple allows the public to use the APIs, there is much bitching and moaning when Apps break, developers have to rewrite, and users are stuck with unreliable software.
So what Apple did was to put a positive spin on what they did have to offer, web-based app development. Those standards were more mature and perfectly safe to let 3rd parties use. Apple wasn't about to say: "our product isn't finished but buy it anyway". Instead they showed the merits of what was available without mentioning that something better was on the way.
It is amazing that people attribute dogmatic motivations when products lack certain features. Just like cut-copy-paste. It wasn't that apple didn't think we needed it. They were just endeavoring to do it right, choosing to delay the feature rather than rushing it to market.
any such issues with other. BTW i have three iphone of the same spec and all doing the same. two are in OSX environment and one in XP.
has anyone noticed the new update 3.0 the complete back (12gb) takes forever. my one is going for 12hrs. the previous version the backing up from scratch only took 2 hrs for 14 gb. weird. also the actual speed has slowed.
any such issues with other. BTW i have three iphone of the same spec and all doing the same. two are in OSX environment and one in XP.
Mine took about 30 seconds on a 16GB iPhone 3G with only 1.4GB free. I?m running v3.0 on iTuens 8.2, connected via USB2.0 on a 2.GHz unibody MB with 4GB RAM.
The backup isn?t recopying all your media files so it should be relatively fast. I?d try restarting everything and try it again.
Mine took about 30 seconds on a 16GB iPhone 3G with only 1.4GB free. I?m running v3.0 on iTuens 8.2, connected via USB2.0 on a 2.GHz unibody MB with 4GB RAM.
The backup isn?t recopying all your media files so it should be relatively fast. I?d try restarting everything and try it again.
thank you for the reply. as i mentioned i have three phones and all three doing the same. i have restarted the machines and the phones but still the same.
i do use "airshare pro" app sold in the app store. it has lots of file in it. could this be the reason why it is taking so long
anyway some of my friends are reporting a slow down in performance of phone with the new update. i know this shouldn't be the case ... somethings weird happening..
thank you for the reply. as i mentioned i have three phones and all three doing the same. i have restarted the machines and the phones but still the same.
i do use "airshare pro" app sold in the app store. it has lots of file in it. could this be the reason why it is taking so long
anyway some of my friends are reporting a slow down in performance of phone with the new update. i know this shouldn't be the case ... somethings weird happening..
Have you tried deleting that app from one of your phones and then doing the backup? It?s more than just a file size issue, something it definitely going wrong. If that doesn?t work I?d just wipe it and restore to v3.0 and put on your previous backup.
Have you tried deleting that app from one of your phones and then doing the backup? It?s more than just a file size issue, something it definitely going wrong. If that doesn?t work I?d just wipe it and restore to v3.0 and put on your previous backup.
ok i will try that. also noticed that the "restriction" got turned on and i know for sure that it was not enabled. it asked for a 4 digit PIN which i dont have. according to Iphone manual only way to get off is by "restoring". this is weird
You mean just like Apple's original stance of iPhone development until they realized what a horrible idea it was and quickly changed their minds?
Palm will do the same.
No.
Apple's iPhone has a system built around OS X technologies (Cocoa, Core*, you know the drill).
At first, these APIs were not polished and well-documented enough to make them available to the developer community. As an alternative, Apple suggested that people write SERVER-BASED web apps tailored to the iPhone's screen size & web browser.
The Palm Pre, on the other hand, has a system based around HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc. That's the technology that runs on the device & powers the whole system. When Palm tells developers to use web-technologies, they are telling them to use the native APIs of the device, running ON the device.
The Palm Pre, on the other hand, has a system based around HTML, CSS, Javascript, etc. That's the technology that runs on the device & powers the whole system. When Palm tells developers to use web-technologies, they are telling them to use the native APIs of the device, running ON the device.
In order to grow the platform I think Palm does plan to offer a more robust SDK with APIs that can actually take advantage of the GPU and full power of the other hardware, too. They can still write their apps in webcode, for the most part. I think what Palm did was great; they found a niche that the iPhone didn?t serve and exploited it. There only major gaffe is releasing so close to the iPhone. I think waiting a few months for the iPhone frenzy to die down while perfecting their HW, OS, apps and app store would have served them well.
The irony is that WebOS is built using the Apple funded WebKit. I hope that Apple also implements HTML5?s DB function so that you can save a website as an icon and have it run in the background. This is really the only software advantage the Pre has over the iPhone and something the iPhone 3GS could potentially do with relative ease on the HW and coding on Apple?s part. However, I am fairly certain that Apple will be allowing background apps in a later version of the OS through a very controlled method that will not affect developers programming methods and have little impact on the rest of the device, though the original and 3G will not be included as they don?t have the specs to allow it. Only time will tell.
I really haven't seen anything that warrants such an expensive upgrade. Sure, for 2G and new owners it's great but just isn't enough for a 3G owner. You're really not missing much.
This just makes it all the easier to wait for the dual core iPhone in 2010.
I really haven't seen anything that warrants such an expensive upgrade. Sure, for 2G and new owners it's great but just isn't enough for a 3G owner. You're really not missing much
I fully understand if the upgrade doesn?t appeal to you, personally, but to say that it ?confirm[s] that it really isn't worth it for a 3G user to upgrade? is short sided, at best. The original iPhone to the current iPhone had very little change to it: mainly a GPS and 3G radios. This one has digital compass, presumably a much better CPU and double the RAM (which is needed for the hefty OS X), HSDPA up to 7.2Mbps up from 1.8Mbps, better battery life, full VGA video and a 32GB capacity option. Except for the compass, all the other changes are what I?ve heard people say for 2.5 years that it would need before they would get the iPhone, though I think most of them already have purchased one.
Based on the info available today on what will be available next year in mass production, the 2010 iPhone doesn?t look like it will get any more RAM than 256MB, a faster than 7.2Mbps radio (though hopefully HSUPA is included), a much faster GPU and will probably get the Cortex A9. The A9 will increase speed and reduce overall power consumption, but not like the move from ARMv6 to ARMv7 will be doing this time around. This is a very worthy update for many of us.
Fearless Leader is due back at the end of this month, rumored to be ready to announce the next great new thing.
June 30 is a Tuesday-- will we see an event worthy of the occasion?
Anybody else notice you can't copy parts of text from a text message only the entire "bubble"? That's a little annoying since they did c&p so well in the rest of the OS.
Yeah I noticed but you can edit it once you paste it. Probably those bubbles are not really selectable text anymore but rather an image representation linked to a character string.
Have you ever used Push?
So, you ask what's the big deal... I would always get the Pushed (by me) tweet before I got the tweet through normal SMS. Sometimes I got the pushed tweet several minutes before the SMS tweet.
I know it's anecdotal, but hey: a 10-second polling delay; un-optimized desktop programs for polling and submitting; using WiFi over a cable modem... and still beat the direct SMS path.
Not Bad! Not bad, at all!
Actually sounds pretty bad. The SMS problem is with your provider or twitter itself. SMSs shouldn't be slow (possibly even faster due to the distributed nature of SMS vs. more centralised Apple push service). I just checked in for my flight for tommorrow and the SMS containing my boarding pass arrived on my phone under 5 seconds of pressing the "send SMS" button on the web page (I didn't measure it as I didn't think I'd run into a discussion of it soon after) . In this case it went though a minimum of two SMS Centers in two different countries (one in Finland and then in Norway).
I've never understood the fascination for "one-company controlled services" like Blackberry mail and Apple push (the technology idea itself is great though in the latter case). They're single points of failure on a potentially global scale! Exchange push email would be a better choice for the Blackberry case (company controlled distributed service) for example.
Regs, Jarkko
Yeah I noticed but you can edit it once you paste it. Probably those bubbles are not really selectable text anymore but rather an image representation linked to a character string.
But then they let you forward them as text - hmm. I was just hoping for an easy way to copy a password sent to me via text message without having to memorize it. Eh well, I've been doing that for 2 years now I can probably make do
I fully understand if the upgrade doesn?t appeal to you, personally, but to say that it ?confirm[s] that it really isn't worth it for a 3G user to upgrade? is short sided, at best. The original iPhone to the current iPhone had very little change to it: mainly a GPS and 3G radios. This one has digital compass, presumably a much better CPU and double the RAM (which is needed for the hefty OS X), HSDPA up to 7.2Mbps up from 1.8Mbps, better battery life, full VGA video and a 32GB capacity option. Except for the compass, all the other changes are what I?ve heard people say for 2.5 years that it would need before they would get the iPhone, though I think most of them already have purchased one.
Based on the info available today on what will be available next year in mass production, the 2010 iPhone doesn?t look like it will get any more RAM than 256MB, a faster than 7.2Mbps radio (though hopefully HSUPA is included), a much faster GPU and will probably get the Cortex A9. The A9 will increase speed and reduce overall power consumption, but not like the move from ARMv6 to ARMv7 will be doing this time around. This is a very worthy update for many of us.
Um, do you have any idea what you're talking about? The processor change was from ARM 11 to ARM 8. The only rumors about next years phone are the rumors about the dual core. So you have zero evidence to back that up.
Believe me, you don't want to get into the "which was bigger" upgrade debate. It doesn't turn out well for the 3GS. Besides the "snappier" experience, what has yet to come of it? The awe-inspiring apps that will take >9 months to make because they're so complex and....."awe-inspiring (about when we start hear about the newest iPhone. The "double" power will do nothing because of the 40 million consumer market developers would have to leave behind. It will make your experience a little "snappier".
So, I ask you this. Is it worth it to pay $500 for the "snappier" experience and get locked into another 2 year contract, and have to pay another $500 next year to get the even better 2010 iPhone. No. Simply because we have yet to see why the 3GS is worth the upgrade.
And please. Upgraders love pulling out the "compass, voice control, new camera etc". You KNOW that the 3G and GPS were the MOST demanded features. To equate 3G and GPS to voice control and a compass....rather naive. In sheer number of updates, sure the 3GS' list is longer. In demand, and application, the addition of 3G and GPS was far greater than anything added to the 3GS. The only upgrades that are even close to the same level as the 3G and GPS are the hardware boost and camera. The voice control and compass are novel at best.
By the way, you forgot the addition of an OLED screen and multitasking with the new 2010 iPhone.
Um, do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Yes. But you obviously don’t.
The processor change was from ARM 11 to ARM 8.
ARM11 is ARMv6. ARM8 is ARMv4. The newest ARMs are ARMv7, also known as Cortex A8, with next year’s dual-core models being Cortex A9, but still being ARMv7 architecture and in the Cortex family.
The only rumors about next years phone are the rumors about the dual core. So you have zero evidence to back that up.
That is why it’s a rumor, but we can deduce that if it is dual-core then it will likely be based on A9.
The rest of your post made no sense…
Um, do you have any idea what you're talking about? The processor change was from ARM 11 to ARM 8. The only rumors about next years phone are the rumors about the dual core. So you have zero evidence to back that up.
Believe me, you don't want to get into the "which was bigger" upgrade debate. It doesn't turn out well for the 3GS. Besides the "snappier" experience, what has yet to come of it? The awe-inspiring apps that will take >9 months to make because they're so complex and....."awe-inspiring (about when we start hear about the newest iPhone. The "double" power will do nothing because of the 40 million consumer market developers would have to leave behind. It will make your experience a little "snappier".
So, I ask you this. Is it worth it to pay $500 for the "snappier" experience and get locked into another 2 year contract, and have to pay another $500 next year to get the even better 2010 iPhone. No. Simply because we have yet to see why the 3GS is worth the upgrade.
And please. Upgraders love pulling out the "compass, voice control, new camera etc". You KNOW that the 3G and GPS were the MOST demanded features. To equate 3G and GPS to voice control and a compass....rather naive. In sheer number of updates, sure the 3GS' list is longer. In demand, and application, the addition of 3G and GPS was far greater than anything added to the 3GS. The only upgrades that are even close to the same level as the 3G and GPS are the hardware boost and camera. The voice control and compass are novel at best.
By the way, you forgot the addition of an OLED screen and multitasking with the new 2010 iPhone.
Hmmm, that appears to amount to a bunch of snarky handwaving to say, again, that the upgrade isn't worth it to you, which is something Solopism acknowledged.
But for a lot of people (and we can wait and see, but I'm guessing it's nothing you'd want to bet on) this is a compelling upgrade with solid hardware improvements that enable some pretty cool features.
Your "why pay now when something better is coming" line would be an argument against upgrading any hardware, ever, so I'm not sure it's one you really want to make.
Yes. But you obviously don’t.
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That is why it’s a rumor, but we can deduce that if it is dual-core then it will likely be based on A9.
It's not worth correcting you.
So basically you have no evidence.
The rest of your post made no sense…
Wow. Just wow. Nice dodge.
Your "why pay now when something better is coming" line would be an argument against upgrading any hardware, ever, so I'm not sure it's one you really want to make.
You missed my entire first post didn't you? You know, before you people get all defensive about spending so much money and trying to justify it later, how about you actually acknowledge the topic I brought up.
If you had read the post, you'd realize my question was not wait until the next best thing. It was:
Why spend $500, when the next best thing is $300 and better, and you won't have to spend $500 AGAIN. Please, do not put words into my mouth.
It's not worth correcting you.
So basically you have no evidence.
I gave you the facts, if you don?t new that current iPhone is ARMv6 and the Palm Pre (probably what is tomorrow?s iPhone) is ARMv7 architecture than I don?t know what to tell you.
Wow. Just wow. Nice dodge.
Trying to respond rationally to irrational ramblings is not easy. If you want to reword it then be my guest, I?ll try to respond where needed, but try to be less caustic, especially if you are going to be incorrect.
You missed my entire first post didn't you? You know, before you people get all defensive about spending so much money and trying to justify it later, how about you actually acknowledge the topic I brought up.
You mean the acknowledgments we all did regarding the massive HW improvements?
If you had read the post, you'd realize my question was not wait until the next best thing. It was:
Why spend $500, when the next best thing is $300 and better, and you won't have to spend $500 AGAIN. Please, do not put words into my mouth.
See, how does is that supposed to make sense to English speaking, learned adults? What is the best thing? How about using a proper noun? Are you saying, ?Why not just skip a year between releases so you can get the upgrade eligible pricing?? If so, how about, ?Because we don?t want to.?? Some of us aren?t bothered by spending a few hundred dollars. In the grand scheme of things, the convenience of having a faster device, with more storage and with more HW features is worth the cost. I understand that it may not be for you, and thats fine, but don?t push your buying habits on everyone else.