Which idiot buys a $9.99/mon service for GPS? You can get a very nice GPS for $80 these days. These idiots don't want to sell the service, they just want to show a PPT to thier bosses that they completed one more project.
Funny! I think someone at AT&T forgot to read one of the requirement of that project. "If we charge subscription they are not going to buy".
The full priced $100+ nav app is the one that has limited appeal. Verizon had their largest downloads for VZ Navigator during the long weekends in the summer. This is how "normal" people uses TBT solutions --- a couple of months in the summer and a few long weekends --- about $30 a year.
But there are abnormal people next to normal ones. Abnormal people rarely need GPS guidance in the area that they are able to cover by weekend trip. They go abroad sometimes. Yep, by car. Oops... Solutions being offered by cellular carriers used to not work there. Then, let's see some shitty coverage like 3G in States. Oops... No signal. Abnormal people don't like to let the complete guidance go when they do need it... Traffic guidance drop is surely far less painful.
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Originally Posted by samab
Everybody charges a subcription for live traffic. And the companies that charge a "lifetime" subscription for live traffic for $50-100 --- can you really trust them? Like how navigon announced that they are leaving the US PND market.
Yes, I trust wholeheartedly recently bought on-board maps. I do not at all some maps behind the carrier's interface that I can't verify.
From what I understand Google does not license its maps for use with turn by turn.
That's correct.
10.9 use the Service or Content with any products, systems, or applications for or in connection with:
(a) real time navigation or route guidance, including but not limited to turn-by-turn route guidance that is synchronized to the position of a user's sensor-enabled device;
(b) any systems or functions for automatic or autonomous control of vehicle behavior; or
(c) dispatch, fleet management, business asset tracking, or similar enterprise applications (the Google Maps APIs can be used to track assets (such as cars, buses or other vehicles) as long as the tracking application is made available to the public without charge. For example, you may offer a free, public Maps API Implementation that displays real-time public transit or other transportation status information. If your Maps API Implementation is deployed internally or you are charging for use of your Maps API Implementation, please contact the Google Maps API Premier sales team for more information);
It depends on what TomTom is gonna offer us. If TomTom brings up basic yet worldwide (OK, almost) coverage with no monthly fee, just at the price of regular map update, then, well, yes. It's late.
Actually about a month ago I had a road trip from California to New York, primarily guided by the iPhone. Its overstated how shitty the coverage is in the US.
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01
Then, let's see some shitty coverage like 3G in States. Oops... No signal.
Actually about a month ago I had a road trip from California to New York, primarily guided by the iPhone. Its overstated how shitty the coverage is in the US.
Well, it's completely based on endless complaints by people from States and on surprising popularity of WiFi connectivity. In some countries people rarely recall WiFi in connection with iPhone and used to speak about 3G connectivity. Whence the statement on possible problems with 3G coverage seems close to being true.
Actually about a month ago I had a road trip from California to New York, primarily guided by the iPhone. Its overstated how shitty the coverage is in the US.
Most of the big guys have the interstate's covered when it comes to cell service - now if you would have taken some of those side roads for more than 10-15 mins you may have found yourself in a dead zone. So - basically, unless you live in one of those BFE towns or have relatives there you're going to be fine just driving on the highway.
I must've missed that? Where did you see that the TomTom turn-by-turn app is going to be a one-time payment?
Maybe you misunderstood me. I meant the current TomTom device and service (not on iPhone) is a one time payment service, and thereafter you only pay to update the maps as you want. With that, I am only guessing the iPhone app would also be a one time service charge with map updates for an added fee later. But the map update fee is minimal compared to the $9.95 monthly AT&T charges. To me it would make no sense for TomTom to deviate from their current payment structure only for iPhone users by charging iPhone users a monthly fee. That is my speculation and hope.
Vodafone Australia has a GPS service called compass which you pay $A8 a month or $A2.50 a day, I would expect it to be similar to Verizon as they are linked via Vodafone owning a large share of Verizon.
So far it's for Symbian and Blackberry phones where you download the software from their site, a subscription model via iTunes could work well for the network and Apple.
While its true AT&T's network is woefully inadequate to handle the iPhone challenge. The reason we use WiFi is because its faster than 3G.
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Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01
Well, it's completely based on endless complaints by people from States and on surprising popularity of WiFi connectivity. In some countries people rarely recall WiFi in connection with iPhone and used to speak about 3G connectivity. Whence the statement on possible problems with 3G coverage seems close to being true.
Yes of course there are dead zones, especially way out in the middle of an area where people don't live. But I had a signal most of the time.
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Originally Posted by bigmc6000
Most of the big guys have the interstate's covered when it comes to cell service - now if you would have taken some of those side roads for more than 10-15 mins you may have found yourself in a dead zone. So - basically, unless you live in one of those BFE towns or have relatives there you're going to be fine just driving on the highway.
We actually did use a paper map to look over large distance of states. That's not as convenient to do on the iPhone's small screen.
When you are driving trough some small town. You search local restaurants and hotels. The iPhone will show you many of the restaurants and hotels in the area without having to drive around and search for them. It also can show you the miles and time from your current position to some distant destination. Rand McNally cannot do any of that.
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Gosh, what's with people!?
Does no one use a $4.99 Rand McNally anymore for their trips?
But there are abnormal people next to normal ones. Abnormal people rarely need GPS guidance in the area that they are able to cover by weekend trip. They go abroad sometimes. Yep, by car. Oops... Solutions being offered by cellular carriers used to not work there. Then, let's see some shitty coverage like 3G in States. Oops... No signal. Abnormal people don't like to let the complete guidance go when they do need it... Traffic guidance drop is surely far less painful.
Yes, I trust wholeheartedly recently bought on-board maps. I do not at all some maps behind the carrier's interface that I can't verify.
Verizon's VZ Navigator offers a separate subscription package for worldwide navigation service --- I don't see any reason why AT&T will not do so for their own nav app service. Americans complain about AT&T's shitty 3G network and coverage --- because they compare to Verizon's much superior network and coverage.
Hardware GPS makers are dying left and right --- so it really means nothing if you get a lifetime subscription for traffic updates if the companies are out of business. You don't see carriers dying left and right.
Subscription model for TBT nav app is alive and well.
From what I understand Google does not license its maps for use with turn by turn.
And that's because Google in turn licenses the map data from third parties (like telenav) and they opted to not license them for turn by turn since turn by turn is the holy grail and I'm sure the entity they get the maps for charges a premium for them to be used in that manner.
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Which idiot buys a $9.99/mon service for GPS? You can get a very nice GPS for $80 these days. These idiots don't want to sell the service, they just want to show a PPT to thier bosses that they completed one more project.
Funny! I think someone at AT&T forgot to read one of the requirement of that project. "If we charge subscription they are not going to buy".
The full priced $100+ nav app is the one that has limited appeal. Verizon had their largest downloads for VZ Navigator during the long weekends in the summer. This is how "normal" people uses TBT solutions --- a couple of months in the summer and a few long weekends --- about $30 a year.
But there are abnormal people next to normal ones. Abnormal people rarely need GPS guidance in the area that they are able to cover by weekend trip. They go abroad sometimes. Yep, by car. Oops... Solutions being offered by cellular carriers used to not work there. Then, let's see some shitty coverage like 3G in States. Oops... No signal. Abnormal people don't like to let the complete guidance go when they do need it... Traffic guidance drop is surely far less painful.
Everybody charges a subcription for live traffic. And the companies that charge a "lifetime" subscription for live traffic for $50-100 --- can you really trust them? Like how navigon announced that they are leaving the US PND market.
Yes, I trust wholeheartedly recently bought on-board maps. I do not at all some maps behind the carrier's interface that I can't verify.
From what I understand Google does not license its maps for use with turn by turn.
That's correct.
10.9 use the Service or Content with any products, systems, or applications for or in connection with:
(a) real time navigation or route guidance, including but not limited to turn-by-turn route guidance that is synchronized to the position of a user's sensor-enabled device;
(b) any systems or functions for automatic or autonomous control of vehicle behavior; or
(c) dispatch, fleet management, business asset tracking, or similar enterprise applications (the Google Maps APIs can be used to track assets (such as cars, buses or other vehicles) as long as the tracking application is made available to the public without charge. For example, you may offer a free, public Maps API Implementation that displays real-time public transit or other transportation status information. If your Maps API Implementation is deployed internally or you are charging for use of your Maps API Implementation, please contact the Google Maps API Premier sales team for more information);
No GPS app if you the phone doesn't include one and you don't subscribe to one.
The other options were listed.
Yes you can subscribe to it separately and yes you can get all the other features without it.
Is it really too late? They're ahead of TomTom.
It depends on what TomTom is gonna offer us. If TomTom brings up basic yet worldwide (OK, almost) coverage with no monthly fee, just at the price of regular map update, then, well, yes. It's late.
Then, let's see some shitty coverage like 3G in States. Oops... No signal.
Actually about a month ago I had a road trip from California to New York, primarily guided by the iPhone. Its overstated how shitty the coverage is in the US.
Well, it's completely based on endless complaints by people from States and on surprising popularity of WiFi connectivity. In some countries people rarely recall WiFi in connection with iPhone and used to speak about 3G connectivity. Whence the statement on possible problems with 3G coverage seems close to being true.
Actually about a month ago I had a road trip from California to New York, primarily guided by the iPhone. Its overstated how shitty the coverage is in the US.
Most of the big guys have the interstate's covered when it comes to cell service - now if you would have taken some of those side roads for more than 10-15 mins you may have found yourself in a dead zone. So - basically, unless you live in one of those BFE towns or have relatives there you're going to be fine just driving on the highway.
Originally Posted by mesomorphicman View Post
Since TomTom is a one-time payment...
I must've missed that? Where did you see that the TomTom turn-by-turn app is going to be a one-time payment?
Maybe you misunderstood me. I meant the current TomTom device and service (not on iPhone) is a one time payment service, and thereafter you only pay to update the maps as you want. With that, I am only guessing the iPhone app would also be a one time service charge with map updates for an added fee later. But the map update fee is minimal compared to the $9.95 monthly AT&T charges. To me it would make no sense for TomTom to deviate from their current payment structure only for iPhone users by charging iPhone users a monthly fee. That is my speculation and hope.
:good day.
So far it's for Symbian and Blackberry phones where you download the software from their site, a subscription model via iTunes could work well for the network and Apple.
Well, it's completely based on endless complaints by people from States and on surprising popularity of WiFi connectivity. In some countries people rarely recall WiFi in connection with iPhone and used to speak about 3G connectivity. Whence the statement on possible problems with 3G coverage seems close to being true.
Does no one use a $4.99 Rand McNally anymore for their trips?
Most of the big guys have the interstate's covered when it comes to cell service - now if you would have taken some of those side roads for more than 10-15 mins you may have found yourself in a dead zone. So - basically, unless you live in one of those BFE towns or have relatives there you're going to be fine just driving on the highway.
While its true AT&T's network is woefully inadequate to handle the iPhone challenge. The reason we use WiFi is because its faster than 3G.
While we do not. Because hotspots are sparse, and iPhone, having just sniffed WiFi connection, drops it instantly and switches to 3G everywhere.
When you are driving trough some small town. You search local restaurants and hotels. The iPhone will show you many of the restaurants and hotels in the area without having to drive around and search for them. It also can show you the miles and time from your current position to some distant destination. Rand McNally cannot do any of that.
Gosh, what's with people!?
Does no one use a $4.99 Rand McNally anymore for their trips?
To put it more simply: Yes you have to subscribe to Verizon for GPS service. No you have no other option.
What do you call the very first app on my list AAA mobile?
Are you just being a troll or what?
But there are abnormal people next to normal ones. Abnormal people rarely need GPS guidance in the area that they are able to cover by weekend trip. They go abroad sometimes. Yep, by car. Oops... Solutions being offered by cellular carriers used to not work there. Then, let's see some shitty coverage like 3G in States. Oops... No signal. Abnormal people don't like to let the complete guidance go when they do need it... Traffic guidance drop is surely far less painful.
Yes, I trust wholeheartedly recently bought on-board maps. I do not at all some maps behind the carrier's interface that I can't verify.
Verizon's VZ Navigator offers a separate subscription package for worldwide navigation service --- I don't see any reason why AT&T will not do so for their own nav app service. Americans complain about AT&T's shitty 3G network and coverage --- because they compare to Verizon's much superior network and coverage.
Hardware GPS makers are dying left and right --- so it really means nothing if you get a lifetime subscription for traffic updates if the companies are out of business. You don't see carriers dying left and right.
Subscription model for TBT nav app is alive and well.
Are you just being a troll or what?
From what I understand Google does not license its maps for use with turn by turn.
And that's because Google in turn licenses the map data from third parties (like telenav) and they opted to not license them for turn by turn since turn by turn is the holy grail and I'm sure the entity they get the maps for charges a premium for them to be used in that manner.
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