That's a good link, but in my unprofessional view, I think it supports the demo of the property. It was one of the last houses built during the first wave of redevelopment. But that's just a minor detail. It sounds like the Jackling's hacked up Smith's original design. Then later modified the house. It is probably far from what Smith original intended. I think that's hard to overlook.
you amaze me again with your endless capacity to extract from anything the absolute worst, most damning angle possible, and with your capacity to find ever more inventive ways of attacking and belittling other people whom you do not know. Congratulations on your fantastic, sunny attitude! I am sure it wins many friends for you, and enriches your life greatly.
He lived in it for 10 years - until 1993. That was, let's see... 16 years ago. Might the house have deteriorated in that time?
There are many fine examples of G.W. Smith's work in Santa Barbara. Unlike F.L. Wright, not everything he designed is significant. The house in question is not a good example of Smith's work. Aesthetically one can clearly see that it is a clunky, clumsy, and awkward example of Spanish Colonial revival architecture. It may not be Smith's fault, as sometimes rich, powerful, and willful clients will overrule a designer and make changes that destroy the integrity of a design. Some designers (like Wright) would say screw you, take it or leave it--it's my design not yours. Others will take the money and allow their designs to be compromised and messed up by rich folks who think their business success makes them experts in everything.
Unlike a previous poster, I don't see this as a property rights issue. If this was a great Frank Lloyd Wright national treasure like Falling Water, and some guy wanted to level it to build a tacky bourgeois McMansion, I'd say his property rights be damned. Some things ARE more important than property rights--they aren't absolute.
I'm by no means anything but an architecture buff, but Robin Huber's comment makes the most sense of anything in this thread.
That's a good link, but in my unprofessional view, I think it supports the demo of the property. It was one of the last houses built during the first wave of redevelopment. But that's just a minor detail. It sounds like the Jackling's hacked up Smith's original design. Then later modified the house. It is probably far from what Smith original intended. I think that's hard to overlook.
It wasn't overlooked. The professional who wrote the report took this into consideration in his evaluation. Then the professional who reviewed this report concurred.
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But you, of course, obviously have the knowledge and expertise to tell, from a single post, who does not have knowledge and expertise.
Yes, it's pretty easy to spot someone who is just spouting off when they attempt to contradict established facts, obviously lacking any awareness of them.
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I'm by no means anything but an architecture buff, but Robin Huber's comment makes the most sense of anything in this thread.
Unfortunately they are wrong. But otherwise, they make sense.
If you buy an home in a historic neighborhood you run the risk that the town and others may (and usually do) interfere with your renovations. I live in NY (which more than anywhere else, is full of historical buildings) and just bought a new building for my business and it's in a historical neighborhood. I was well informed by the agents and assessors that this means I have to contend with very specific guidelines when it comes to preservation and renovation. The building is not a landmark itself but it is surrounded by other landmark buildings. Therefore the rules apply to my building as well. There are plenty of historical preservation grants available that will help offset the expense of the renovations.
Steve's not dumb and even if he overlooked that detail his lawyers wouldn't have let him. He's just trying to bend the rules because he's Steve fucking Jobs. He's lived/ owned the building too long to cry about the problems now. I'm guessing that he was hoping the building would be condemned after he neglected it for 15 years and then he could tear it down and build his pristine, gleaming white and perfectly harmonized, 2001/ Frank Geary dream home, with an aviary, zen garden, green roof and white tigers. He's got the cash to weather the storm and if it hurts too much and he'll just move on. No sympathy from me.
Yes, it's pretty easy to spot someone who is just spouting off when they attempt to contradict established facts, obviously lacking any awareness of them.
It's also easy to spot arrogance and hubris, just not typically by the person suffering from them.
you amaze me again with your endless capacity to extract from anything the absolute worst, most damning angle possible, and with your capacity to find ever more inventive ways of attacking and belittling other people whom you do not know. Congratulations on your fantastic, sunny attitude! I am sure it wins many friends for you, and enriches your life greatly.
If you buy an home in a historic neighborhood you run the risk that the town and others may (and usually do) interfere with your renovations. I live in NY (which more than anywhere else, is full of historical buildings) and just bought a new building for my business and it's in a historical neighborhood. I was well informed by the agents and assessors that this means I have to contend with very specific guidelines when it comes to preservation and renovation. The building is not a landmark itself but it is surrounded by other landmark buildings. Therefore the rules apply to my building as well. There are plenty of historical preservation grants available that will help offset the expense of the renovations.
Steve's not dumb and even if he overlooked that detail his lawyers wouldn't have let him. He's just trying to bend the rules because he's Steve fucking Jobs. He's lived/ owned the building too long to cry about the problems now. I'm guessing that he was hoping the building would be condemned after he neglected it for 15 years and then he could tear it down and build his pristine, gleaming white and perfectly harmonized, 2001/ Frank Geary dream home, with an aviary, zen garden, green roof and white tigers. He's got the cash to weather the storm and if it hurts too much and he'll just move on. No sympathy from me.
Thanks for spelling it out. Next let's see why he got his new liver so fast. According to the doctors he played by the rules, meaning he was extremely sick (metastatic cancer). However Apple says he just had a hormonal imbalance. Did he cut to the front of the list because he is (as you say) SFJ?
It wasn't overlooked. The professional who wrote the report took this into consideration in his evaluation. Then the professional who reviewed this report concurred.
So they took into account that this property was hacked by amateurs both in the design phase, and later in renovations, but still concluded that the property had historic significance? Maybe I missed it in the report, but I have to ask why?
I wonder if Smith was able to see what they did to the property, would he want it demolished?
That kind of thinking demolished one of the greatest structures ever built in the US - Penn Station in NYC and gave us the hiddeous Madison Square Garden. Other great building were torn down for silmilar thinking. Maybe those materials were used because of the earthquake factor in California.
Penn station was an amazing structure. The only thing amazing about this house is that people are listening to the crazy woman who used to live in the house as a child, who doesn't want it torn down.
Thanks for spelling it out. Next let's see why he got his new liver so fast. According to the doctors he played by the rules, meaning he was extremely sick (metastatic cancer). However Apple says he just had a hormonal imbalance. Did he cut to the front of the list because he is (as you say) SFJ?
I Would never accuse anyone of that, but I catch your drift. I would almost certainly use my clout and influence if I was SJ. but that's my point. To him (or anyone in his position) everything is just a sham. You win, you lose, no big deal. If you're patient and persistent you'll win more than you lose. No fuss about it. The townies probably think they are at war, while Jobs could care less because he has at-least 6 other "perfect" homes. deep sigh
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Great, now hallucinations are qualifications. Just when you think it can't get any more bizarre...
BTW- those pictures in the document are excellent. You can clearly see that the building has some very interesting details and rooms.
http://www.woodsidetown.org/PDF/JHFinalEIR_4.pdf
That's a good link, but in my unprofessional view, I think it supports the demo of the property. It was one of the last houses built during the first wave of redevelopment. But that's just a minor detail. It sounds like the Jackling's hacked up Smith's original design. Then later modified the house. It is probably far from what Smith original intended. I think that's hard to overlook.
Yet he lived in it for 10 years!
Typically Jobsian.
you amaze me again with your endless capacity to extract from anything the absolute worst, most damning angle possible, and with your capacity to find ever more inventive ways of attacking and belittling other people whom you do not know. Congratulations on your fantastic, sunny attitude! I am sure it wins many friends for you, and enriches your life greatly.
He lived in it for 10 years - until 1993. That was, let's see... 16 years ago. Might the house have deteriorated in that time?
He lived in it for 10 years - until 1993. That was, let's see... 16 years ago. Might the house have deteriorated in that time?
And that's my point.
So then that was when it all of a sudden became an abomination due to his turning it into one?
What is really ridiculous is people who have absolutely zero knowledge of a subject to pretend expertise.
Anyway, here we go again. Sigh.
But you, of course, obviously have the knowledge and expertise to tell, from a single post, who does not have knowledge and expertise.
And that's my point.
So then that was when it all of a sudden became an abomination due to his turning it into one?
The house sat and moldered for the last 16 years. Maybe it isn't quite the same house it was when Jobs lived there.
Get it?
There are many fine examples of G.W. Smith's work in Santa Barbara. Unlike F.L. Wright, not everything he designed is significant. The house in question is not a good example of Smith's work. Aesthetically one can clearly see that it is a clunky, clumsy, and awkward example of Spanish Colonial revival architecture. It may not be Smith's fault, as sometimes rich, powerful, and willful clients will overrule a designer and make changes that destroy the integrity of a design. Some designers (like Wright) would say screw you, take it or leave it--it's my design not yours. Others will take the money and allow their designs to be compromised and messed up by rich folks who think their business success makes them experts in everything.
Unlike a previous poster, I don't see this as a property rights issue. If this was a great Frank Lloyd Wright national treasure like Falling Water, and some guy wanted to level it to build a tacky bourgeois McMansion, I'd say his property rights be damned. Some things ARE more important than property rights--they aren't absolute.
I'm by no means anything but an architecture buff, but Robin Huber's comment makes the most sense of anything in this thread.
That's a good link, but in my unprofessional view, I think it supports the demo of the property. It was one of the last houses built during the first wave of redevelopment. But that's just a minor detail. It sounds like the Jackling's hacked up Smith's original design. Then later modified the house. It is probably far from what Smith original intended. I think that's hard to overlook.
It wasn't overlooked. The professional who wrote the report took this into consideration in his evaluation. Then the professional who reviewed this report concurred.
But you, of course, obviously have the knowledge and expertise to tell, from a single post, who does not have knowledge and expertise.
Yes, it's pretty easy to spot someone who is just spouting off when they attempt to contradict established facts, obviously lacking any awareness of them.
I'm by no means anything but an architecture buff, but Robin Huber's comment makes the most sense of anything in this thread.
Unfortunately they are wrong. But otherwise, they make sense.
Steve's not dumb and even if he overlooked that detail his lawyers wouldn't have let him. He's just trying to bend the rules because he's Steve fucking Jobs. He's lived/ owned the building too long to cry about the problems now. I'm guessing that he was hoping the building would be condemned after he neglected it for 15 years and then he could tear it down and build his pristine, gleaming white and perfectly harmonized, 2001/ Frank Geary dream home, with an aviary, zen garden, green roof and white tigers. He's got the cash to weather the storm and if it hurts too much and he'll just move on. No sympathy from me.
Yes, it's pretty easy to spot someone who is just spouting off when they attempt to contradict established facts, obviously lacking any awareness of them.
It's also easy to spot arrogance and hubris, just not typically by the person suffering from them.
you amaze me again with your endless capacity to extract from anything the absolute worst, most damning angle possible, and with your capacity to find ever more inventive ways of attacking and belittling other people whom you do not know. Congratulations on your fantastic, sunny attitude! I am sure it wins many friends for you, and enriches your life greatly.
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And as if you even know me, yet you attack me?
i wish i could read the comments of the same fanboys if the house was owned by Ballmer. how many of them would support that man?
Bingo! You know exactly what I'm sayin?
If you buy an home in a historic neighborhood you run the risk that the town and others may (and usually do) interfere with your renovations. I live in NY (which more than anywhere else, is full of historical buildings) and just bought a new building for my business and it's in a historical neighborhood. I was well informed by the agents and assessors that this means I have to contend with very specific guidelines when it comes to preservation and renovation. The building is not a landmark itself but it is surrounded by other landmark buildings. Therefore the rules apply to my building as well. There are plenty of historical preservation grants available that will help offset the expense of the renovations.
Steve's not dumb and even if he overlooked that detail his lawyers wouldn't have let him. He's just trying to bend the rules because he's Steve fucking Jobs. He's lived/ owned the building too long to cry about the problems now. I'm guessing that he was hoping the building would be condemned after he neglected it for 15 years and then he could tear it down and build his pristine, gleaming white and perfectly harmonized, 2001/ Frank Geary dream home, with an aviary, zen garden, green roof and white tigers. He's got the cash to weather the storm and if it hurts too much and he'll just move on. No sympathy from me.
Thanks for spelling it out. Next let's see why he got his new liver so fast. According to the doctors he played by the rules, meaning he was extremely sick (metastatic cancer). However Apple says he just had a hormonal imbalance. Did he cut to the front of the list because he is (as you say) SFJ?
It wasn't overlooked. The professional who wrote the report took this into consideration in his evaluation. Then the professional who reviewed this report concurred.
So they took into account that this property was hacked by amateurs both in the design phase, and later in renovations, but still concluded that the property had historic significance? Maybe I missed it in the report, but I have to ask why?
I wonder if Smith was able to see what they did to the property, would he want it demolished?
That kind of thinking demolished one of the greatest structures ever built in the US - Penn Station in NYC and gave us the hiddeous Madison Square Garden. Other great building were torn down for silmilar thinking. Maybe those materials were used because of the earthquake factor in California.
Penn station was an amazing structure. The only thing amazing about this house is that people are listening to the crazy woman who used to live in the house as a child, who doesn't want it torn down.
I'd love the organ
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i wish i could read the comments of the same fanboys if the house was owned by Ballmer. how many of them would support that man?
Not one.
If your point is that people in this forum are biased against SB and biased towards SJ, then you are simply stating the obvious.
Thanks for spelling it out. Next let's see why he got his new liver so fast. According to the doctors he played by the rules, meaning he was extremely sick (metastatic cancer). However Apple says he just had a hormonal imbalance. Did he cut to the front of the list because he is (as you say) SFJ?
I Would never accuse anyone of that, but I catch your drift. I would almost certainly use my clout and influence if I was SJ.
Not one.
If your point is that people in this forum are biased against SB and biased towards SJ, then you are simply stating the obvious.
NO you mean the unfortunate. Being biased one way or the other is nothing to brag about.