Which is why I still have this 3 year old phone. No one has made one the same size with a full keyboard. \
i have the same phone, well similar, slightly older version, the 6820, then the 6822 came out, recently nokia brought out the E70 which is about as close to the 682x as you can get.
Honestly, in my circle of NYC younger professionals, land lines are unnecessary and a waste of money. I, personally, don't have one and I would have no reason, since when I am not at work or studying, I am either asleep or out. Not being an obnoxious jerk has become a big thing for me and others, since everyone has so many gadgets, but there are still plenty out there to fuel rants.
And getting tied to the phone is a silly complaint, because a) you're tied to a phone at work and at home, and b) you just don't have to pick up. If a person keeps calling you, it damn well better be an emergency, or they are just not reasonable people.
So I wholeheartedly support the etiquette cards - get some responsibility into consumer products. If Apple put it on a card, people would follow the rules. The worst is in (live) theaters, when people just have no respect for what is going on onstage and the strain their ringing puts on the actors.
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This rumor is very believable. If the phone is truly available to any carrier and not just Cingular, I'll rejoice because I can finally replace my now-dead 1G iPod Mini and Sanyo SCP-6000 (0.33" thin) that I've had for the last 4.5 years...all in one fell swoop.
Heck yeah on the etiquette card idea although I agree with the poster who said it's not a cell phone thing, just a modern culture thing (at least in America).
I'd rather use a Keyboard, and send an Email or an IM. Even more preferable is Voice or Video chat and what's even better then that is talking in person, though that isn't always possible.
It all comes down to...drum roll please....convenience! How is one supposed to write a message to someone if a) they don't have the internet b) have the internet and dont have a computer, c) are in a situation where they can't talk or, d) are in a situation where they know the recipient can't talk? Text messaging - perfect solution... No internet, computer, or "talk space" are needed - just type away and send!
Now, one might argue that if you are in a situation where you can't talk, you don't need to type a message. I say go back to college and sit in class and try to go 2 hours without feeling the urge to talk to someone in the "outside"
Anyways - people are so ignorant when it comes to phone usage. It's horrible. I worked at my college's library and some GIRL (typical..) waltzed through the building with SPEAKER phone on, and talking like the recipient was 10 feet away.... Sadly, its the norm nowadays...
. . .so it seems as though the question is not whether or not to have a cell phone, but if the machine will be as useful, unobtrusive. . .and as cool as is possible.
Even poor cell phones are somewhat useful, if awkward to use; and the smaller the better, at least to me--but very few cell phones are actually cool and give the user that "wow" factor. . .and that is why we need Apple to bring this product out soon.
Also agree with the poster above who laments waiting till 2007 and missing the next 3 weeks of holiday buying. I'd buy 2 myself.
Honestly, in my circle of NYC younger professionals, land lines are unnecessary and a waste of money. I, personally, don't have one and I would have no reason, since when I am not at work or studying, I am either asleep or out. . . .
Seriously. I put on about 120 mins a month, but I need to have a mobile phone because I'm out most of the time, and because at this stage it's expected that I have one. But at 120 mins a month, there's absolutely no reason for me to get a POTS or VOIP phone at home, and pay money for something I'm never going to use.
But I am eagerly awaiting the iPhone. I sometimes go for long walks at night, and it would be nice if I didn't have to fumble around when someone calls. Plus, Sprint only carries flip phones and blackberries right now -- the former of which I don't like and the latter of which I don't need -- but I'm not willing to ditch the unbeatable voice quality and data-speed that Sprint has. It would be great if the iPhone works with Sprint. The GSM networks have such awful voice quality, and I'm not a big fan of Verizon.
This is more the result of people who let the technology control them rather than remain in control of the technology and use it as a tool.
I have a cell phone, but there are plenty of times when I have it set to silent or left in my car. For instance if I am on a date or something, I will not answer. The same thing with the land line phone on my desk at work, if I am having a meeting with someone, I set the phone to do not disturb.
I believe that there is a way to live with the technology without it controlling you. I also believe that you can get along without it. Many places where I rock climb have no service and I don't miss it one bit.
I couldn't agree with you more. I hate when technology "intrudes" into my life or my work. However, the interesting little side-effect of NOT picking up my phone everytime it rings is that I now get irate and/or irritable callers who leave testy messages, "I tried your work phone and your cell phone...I even IM'd you...I need you to respond ASAP."
You connect to i(internet)Tunes which downloads Tunes off the Internet.
I've never heard the i(internet)mac deal before. Who thought of it? It makes no sense at all. Sure you could stretch a bit and it could apply to some "i" products, but most of them it doesn't. ipod has nothing to do with internet. iphoto has nothing to do with internet (not as it's main purpose anyways, and it certainly didn't when it was first released). same with imovie and idvd.
maybe instead of safari it should be called "i", short for internet...
That JUST happened to my 60GB iPod Photo. I was just riding in my car and it quit, gave me the sad iPod face.
It was doing the sad face for 4 days until I could find time to take it to the Apple Store. I swear the girl behind the Genius Bar had the proverbial "magic touch" because as soon as she touched it it turned on fine and played music and all that good stuff iPods are supposed to do. And I was all like, "I swear it was sad just a minute ago!"
Anyway, it's better now, which is good since I didn't get Apple Care for it (stupid). But it was strange. It happened just after I upgraded to iTunes 7, which made me a bit suspicious. I hope it works out for you, though.
GIVE ME A TREO KILLER!!!!
I WILL PAY MANY HAMILTONS!!!!
uh oh, thats how mine started. I don't live close to a genius bar so i googled it and found, what I call, the brute force fix. Next time you get the sad face, drop your ipod from about 1.5-2 feet on a CARPETED surface. I bet it gets it working for you.
Mine did that for the first time a few months ago and it started happenning more and more often. Now it's totally kaput.
Through all this I found out how to get to a "system menu" or something ON the iPod. When you reset it, AS SOON as the apple logo appears, press and hold 'select' and 'back' or 'rewind' you have to do it right after you reset it. It will reset again and enter a diagnostic menu. I'm pretty sure this is what they do to see whats wrong with it when you send it in for repairs. You can do everything from checking the LCD to checking the click wheel and running full harddrive and memory scans.
It's pretty neat and I've never heard of it before, I jsut happened to get there by button mashing.
I'm on the side of hoping Apple is not offering this to all mobile carriers.
The entire reason I would want an Apple phone is for it to be an extension of my computer. I want all of the functionality of my phone to be open and usable. That would be more in line with Apple's way of working.
Its far more likely Apple can negotiate to work with one carrier and have all of the phones functionality working without having to pay an extra charge for everything.
There is no way Apple could negotiate such a plan with all of the mobile carriers. That would make the Apple phone pretty much like all the other phones.
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I've never heard the i(internet)mac deal before.
Yes originally the "i" in iMac was for the internet. Later Apple used "i" for all consumer level products.
I'm most excited about having integrated iCal to help me get things done rather than having 8 million post-it's in my pocket. Plus of course it would be nice to have my favorite music at my fingertips plus a phone in just one device.
I second this! Most phones (non-smart) have poor calendar function even for simple scheduling. Smart phones are nice, but most aren't really compatible (none?) with iCal (not the way I'd like them to be). I've been holding off on upgrading for a phone that really works well. Here's to hoping the iPhone is everything I'm looking for!
Logically it makes sense for Apple to start selling cell phones that are good at playing music because they might be able to get a pretty big slice of pie, but for some reason it seems a little awkward for a company like Apple. They just don't strike me as a cell-phone/communications company. Motorola, LG, Sony, etc have a long line up of phones... what makes anybody thing that Apples line up of one phone in two models will be THAT much improved so as to make people buy it. And how is Apple going to deal with discounts? Most phones, no matter how nice, even the RAZR and Chocolate, were bought because they were deeply discounted, even to the point where the provider company looses money on the phone to gain money on the plan. This just dosn't seem like something that is very Apple with their strict pricing. Do you think Apple will sell the phones to providers allowing them to make their own extreme discounts with signing of a contract, where Apple profits off of the sale of the phone but the company subsided the phone to rake in a contract?
I'm on the side of hoping Apple is not offering this to all mobile carriers.
The entire reason I would want an Apple phone is for it to be an extension of my computer. I want all of the functionality of my phone to be open and usable. That would be more in line with Apple's way of working.
Its far more likely Apple can negotiate to work with one carrier and have all of the phones functionality working without having to pay an extra charge for everything.
There is no way Apple could negotiate such a plan with all of the mobile carriers. That would make the Apple phone pretty much like all the other phones.
Apple will most likely be selling unlocked phones.
You will not be able to get an iPhone directly from Cingular, tmobile or verizon.
The bad thing is you will pay full price for these phones.
The good news is they won't be mucked up with junk software by your carrier or crazy limitations on the bluetooth(yes! i'm looking at you verizon)
I was hoping Apple would go MVNO right off the bat.
Now I'm thinking they will sell unlocked iPhones first and gauge the success.
Then based on the feedback design the 2nd gen iPhones and negotiate a better MVNO deal.
I think Apple will launch their MVNO in 2008 along a full assortment of phones and express cards for our MacBook Pros.
Logically it makes sense for Apple to start selling cell phones that are good at playing music because they might be able to get a pretty big slice of pie, but for some reason it seems a little awkward for a company like Apple. They just don't strike me as a cell-phone/communications company. Motorola, LG, Sony, etc have a long line up of phones... what makes anybody thing that Apples line up of one phone in two models will be THAT much improved so as to make people buy it. And how is Apple going to deal with discounts? Most phones, no matter how nice, even the RAZR and Chocolate, were bought because they were deeply discounted, even to the point where the provider company looses money on the phone to gain money on the plan. This just dosn't seem like something that is very Apple with their strict pricing. Do you think Apple will sell the phones to providers allowing them to make their own extreme discounts with signing of a contract, where Apple profits off of the sale of the phone but the company subsided the phone to rake in a contract?
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Congrats on 1111!
As for contracts, they suck. For my second time in a row I got suckered into a contract. I think Apple is going to do what Apple does best and control it's own Enviornment. If not then I'll continue looking for a phone I actually want to use
As for contracts, they suck. For my second time in a row I got suckered into a contract. I think Apple is going to do what Apple does best and control it's own Enviornment. If not then I'll continue looking for a phone I actually want to use
But they cant really afford to do this for two reasons:
1) The carriers want to control the environment. Period.
--- the way Apple MIGHT be able to get away with controlling the market is the fact that they now have control of the content distribution patent, that that is not likely that will have much of an influence.
2) The vast majority of people bought their phone on a contract, continue to buy their phones on contracts, and will continue to do so because nice phones become suddenly cheap and in most cases, there is no real reason to switch anyways.
I like the idea but somehow I don't think an etiquette card will be enough...
J.J. Payne, a 17-year-old senior at Mission High School in San Francisco, carries two cell phones with him wherever he goes. He uses his white Nokia phone with a MetroPCS plan to make local calls and his silver Motorola phone with a Cingular plan to make long-distance calls.
Throw in his text messages, which he sends "every 5 minutes," and his downloaded ring tones -- the current tune of choice being a Snoop Dogg hit - - and Payne regularly owes well over $100 a month in cell phone charges.
Sometimes he goes without lunch so he can pay the bills. Making the payments, Payne says, is more stressful than getting good grades or applying for college.
"I feel like sometimes I could do without the phones -- that I could be more productive putting it toward my needs instead of my wants," he said.
me wants an iPhone... besides the calander tool my Razr is a piece of crap, no brand loyalty here, if Apple made the razr, it'd still be a piece of crap.
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Which is why I still have this 3 year old phone. No one has made one the same size with a full keyboard.
i have the same phone, well similar, slightly older version, the 6820, then the 6822 came out, recently nokia brought out the E70 which is about as close to the 682x as you can get.
An evil necessity for some, not most.
Honestly, in my circle of NYC younger professionals, land lines are unnecessary and a waste of money. I, personally, don't have one and I would have no reason, since when I am not at work or studying, I am either asleep or out. Not being an obnoxious jerk has become a big thing for me and others, since everyone has so many gadgets, but there are still plenty out there to fuel rants.
And getting tied to the phone is a silly complaint, because a) you're tied to a phone at work and at home, and b) you just don't have to pick up. If a person keeps calling you, it damn well better be an emergency, or they are just not reasonable people.
So I wholeheartedly support the etiquette cards - get some responsibility into consumer products. If Apple put it on a card, people would follow the rules. The worst is in (live) theaters, when people just have no respect for what is going on onstage and the strain their ringing puts on the actors.
sluts discussing their sex life in the checkout line
Easy there, buddy.
Heck yeah on the etiquette card idea although I agree with the poster who said it's not a cell phone thing, just a modern culture thing (at least in America).
I never did understand Text Messages
I'd rather use a Keyboard, and send an Email or an IM. Even more preferable is Voice or Video chat and what's even better then that is talking in person, though that isn't always possible.
It all comes down to...drum roll please....convenience! How is one supposed to write a message to someone if a) they don't have the internet b) have the internet and dont have a computer, c) are in a situation where they can't talk or, d) are in a situation where they know the recipient can't talk? Text messaging - perfect solution... No internet, computer, or "talk space" are needed - just type away and send!
Now, one might argue that if you are in a situation where you can't talk, you don't need to type a message. I say go back to college and sit in class and try to go 2 hours without feeling the urge to talk to someone in the "outside"
Anyways - people are so ignorant when it comes to phone usage. It's horrible. I worked at my college's library and some GIRL (typical..) waltzed through the building with SPEAKER phone on, and talking like the recipient was 10 feet away.... Sadly, its the norm nowadays...
Even poor cell phones are somewhat useful, if awkward to use; and the smaller the better, at least to me--but very few cell phones are actually cool and give the user that "wow" factor. . .and that is why we need Apple to bring this product out soon.
Also agree with the poster above who laments waiting till 2007 and missing the next 3 weeks of holiday buying. I'd buy 2 myself.
Honestly, in my circle of NYC younger professionals, land lines are unnecessary and a waste of money. I, personally, don't have one and I would have no reason, since when I am not at work or studying, I am either asleep or out. . . .
Seriously. I put on about 120 mins a month, but I need to have a mobile phone because I'm out most of the time, and because at this stage it's expected that I have one. But at 120 mins a month, there's absolutely no reason for me to get a POTS or VOIP phone at home, and pay money for something I'm never going to use.
But I am eagerly awaiting the iPhone. I sometimes go for long walks at night, and it would be nice if I didn't have to fumble around when someone calls. Plus, Sprint only carries flip phones and blackberries right now -- the former of which I don't like and the latter of which I don't need -- but I'm not willing to ditch the unbeatable voice quality and data-speed that Sprint has. It would be great if the iPhone works with Sprint. The GSM networks have such awful voice quality, and I'm not a big fan of Verizon.
This is more the result of people who let the technology control them rather than remain in control of the technology and use it as a tool.
I have a cell phone, but there are plenty of times when I have it set to silent or left in my car. For instance if I am on a date or something, I will not answer. The same thing with the land line phone on my desk at work, if I am having a meeting with someone, I set the phone to do not disturb.
I believe that there is a way to live with the technology without it controlling you. I also believe that you can get along without it. Many places where I rock climb have no service and I don't miss it one bit.
I couldn't agree with you more. I hate when technology "intrudes" into my life or my work. However, the interesting little side-effect of NOT picking up my phone everytime it rings is that I now get irate and/or irritable callers who leave testy messages, "I tried your work phone and your cell phone...I even IM'd you...I need you to respond ASAP."
Expect Steve to put out a contract on Kevin Rose, and Boba Fett, Dengar, Bossk, IG-88, 4-LOM, Zuckuss and Aurra Sing to answer the call.
I have $20.00 on Boba Fett...heck make it $50.
You connect to i(internet)Tunes which downloads Tunes off the Internet.
I've never heard the i(internet)mac deal before. Who thought of it? It makes no sense at all. Sure you could stretch a bit and it could apply to some "i" products, but most of them it doesn't. ipod has nothing to do with internet. iphoto has nothing to do with internet (not as it's main purpose anyways, and it certainly didn't when it was first released). same with imovie and idvd.
maybe instead of safari it should be called "i", short for internet...
That JUST happened to my 60GB iPod Photo. I was just riding in my car and it quit, gave me the sad iPod face.
It was doing the sad face for 4 days until I could find time to take it to the Apple Store. I swear the girl behind the Genius Bar had the proverbial "magic touch" because as soon as she touched it it turned on fine and played music and all that good stuff iPods are supposed to do. And I was all like, "I swear it was sad just a minute ago!"
Anyway, it's better now, which is good since I didn't get Apple Care for it (stupid). But it was strange. It happened just after I upgraded to iTunes 7, which made me a bit suspicious. I hope it works out for you, though.
GIVE ME A TREO KILLER!!!!
I WILL PAY MANY HAMILTONS!!!!
uh oh, thats how mine started. I don't live close to a genius bar so i googled it and found, what I call, the brute force fix. Next time you get the sad face, drop your ipod from about 1.5-2 feet on a CARPETED surface. I bet it gets it working for you.
Mine did that for the first time a few months ago and it started happenning more and more often. Now it's totally kaput.
Through all this I found out how to get to a "system menu" or something ON the iPod. When you reset it, AS SOON as the apple logo appears, press and hold 'select' and 'back' or 'rewind' you have to do it right after you reset it. It will reset again and enter a diagnostic menu. I'm pretty sure this is what they do to see whats wrong with it when you send it in for repairs. You can do everything from checking the LCD to checking the click wheel and running full harddrive and memory scans.
It's pretty neat and I've never heard of it before, I jsut happened to get there by button mashing.
The entire reason I would want an Apple phone is for it to be an extension of my computer. I want all of the functionality of my phone to be open and usable. That would be more in line with Apple's way of working.
Its far more likely Apple can negotiate to work with one carrier and have all of the phones functionality working without having to pay an extra charge for everything.
There is no way Apple could negotiate such a plan with all of the mobile carriers. That would make the Apple phone pretty much like all the other phones.
I've never heard the i(internet)mac deal before.
Yes originally the "i" in iMac was for the internet. Later Apple used "i" for all consumer level products.
I'm most excited about having integrated iCal to help me get things done rather than having 8 million post-it's in my pocket. Plus of course it would be nice to have my favorite music at my fingertips plus a phone in just one device.
I second this! Most phones (non-smart) have poor calendar function even for simple scheduling. Smart phones are nice, but most aren't really compatible (none?) with iCal (not the way I'd like them to be). I've been holding off on upgrading for a phone that really works well. Here's to hoping the iPhone is everything I'm looking for!
And random thought: 1111 posts!
I'm on the side of hoping Apple is not offering this to all mobile carriers.
The entire reason I would want an Apple phone is for it to be an extension of my computer. I want all of the functionality of my phone to be open and usable. That would be more in line with Apple's way of working.
Its far more likely Apple can negotiate to work with one carrier and have all of the phones functionality working without having to pay an extra charge for everything.
There is no way Apple could negotiate such a plan with all of the mobile carriers. That would make the Apple phone pretty much like all the other phones.
Apple will most likely be selling unlocked phones.
You will not be able to get an iPhone directly from Cingular, tmobile or verizon.
The bad thing is you will pay full price for these phones.
The good news is they won't be mucked up with junk software by your carrier or crazy limitations on the bluetooth(yes! i'm looking at you verizon)
I was hoping Apple would go MVNO right off the bat.
Now I'm thinking they will sell unlocked iPhones first and gauge the success.
Then based on the feedback design the 2nd gen iPhones and negotiate a better MVNO deal.
I think Apple will launch their MVNO in 2008 along a full assortment of phones and express cards for our MacBook Pros.
Logically it makes sense for Apple to start selling cell phones that are good at playing music because they might be able to get a pretty big slice of pie, but for some reason it seems a little awkward for a company like Apple. They just don't strike me as a cell-phone/communications company. Motorola, LG, Sony, etc have a long line up of phones... what makes anybody thing that Apples line up of one phone in two models will be THAT much improved so as to make people buy it. And how is Apple going to deal with discounts? Most phones, no matter how nice, even the RAZR and Chocolate, were bought because they were deeply discounted, even to the point where the provider company looses money on the phone to gain money on the plan. This just dosn't seem like something that is very Apple with their strict pricing. Do you think Apple will sell the phones to providers allowing them to make their own extreme discounts with signing of a contract, where Apple profits off of the sale of the phone but the company subsided the phone to rake in a contract?
And random thought: 1111 posts!
Congrats on 1111!
As for contracts, they suck. For my second time in a row I got suckered into a contract. I think Apple is going to do what Apple does best and control it's own Enviornment. If not then I'll continue looking for a phone I actually want to use
Congrats on 1111!
As for contracts, they suck. For my second time in a row I got suckered into a contract. I think Apple is going to do what Apple does best and control it's own Enviornment. If not then I'll continue looking for a phone I actually want to use
But they cant really afford to do this for two reasons:
1) The carriers want to control the environment. Period.
--- the way Apple MIGHT be able to get away with controlling the market is the fact that they now have control of the content distribution patent, that that is not likely that will have much of an influence.
2) The vast majority of people bought their phone on a contract, continue to buy their phones on contracts, and will continue to do so because nice phones become suddenly cheap and in most cases, there is no real reason to switch anyways.
J.J. Payne, a 17-year-old senior at Mission High School in San Francisco, carries two cell phones with him wherever he goes. He uses his white Nokia phone with a MetroPCS plan to make local calls and his silver Motorola phone with a Cingular plan to make long-distance calls.
Throw in his text messages, which he sends "every 5 minutes," and his downloaded ring tones -- the current tune of choice being a Snoop Dogg hit - - and Payne regularly owes well over $100 a month in cell phone charges.
Sometimes he goes without lunch so he can pay the bills. Making the payments, Payne says, is more stressful than getting good grades or applying for college.
"I feel like sometimes I could do without the phones -- that I could be more productive putting it toward my needs instead of my wants," he said.