Wow, i think i'm actually stupider for having read this thread. While there isn't enough time to combat all the drivel...
- For those of you too clueless to figure it out. All the old models are still in plentiful supply. So if you prefer the old models, just buy one and quit bitching!
- It is naive to think that apple will refuse to take your money for future, internal bluetooth upgrades. Once they have enough in stock, they'll be available for aftermarket expansion.
- Why are so many people whining about the 15" model's lack of bluetooth and APE? Don't they realize its just the old model with different options? What is apple supposed to do, throw the old inventory in the trash?
- FW800... what's the deal with whining about this? How many people on the planet can make use of FW800 yet are still in the market for a non-professional computer? What could an iMac possibly do with 800 that it can't do with 400? Perhaps, 5 years from now, we'll be seeing our first CAT5E based FW networks... but who will be using an old, non-professional computer on such a network? Maybe 37 people on the planet. However, none of the people posting here are among those 37.
[quote] - For those of you too clueless to figure it out. All the old models are still in plentiful supply. So if you prefer the old models, just buy one and quit bitching!
<hr></blockquote>
Gee, I guess they're not the only ones who are clueless.
People are bitching because it's a poxy update!
Check out the UK pricing! OUCH!
Entry level model?!?
£999 inc VAT, STILL, for ancient technology in the best consumer PC case the market will ever see. IT's soooooo ooooooooooooooooold!
13 months. THIRTEEEEEN MONTHS!!! And...AND THIS IS IT!?!?!?
100mhz bus. POW!
800mhz G4. STAMPaSTAMPaSTAMPa!!!
15 inch screen...SMASH!!!
Geriatric Force2mx...KER-ASH!!! (Tinkle...)
That(!) was a bump!?
That was a lump (BUMP!) of SH*TE!!!
AND, what's this? A MASSIVE CHASM of £400 smackers until you get to the superdrive model!?!?
What's a matter Apple? Not getting a good enough deal on that ANNNNCIIIIIENT tech'?
PSEUDO DDR RAM!!!!! GRRRR! Geforce 4MX...COUGH, SPLUTTER...on yer TOP END model!?!? THAT WAS OVER HALF A YEAR AGO!!! HELLLLLLLOOOOOOOO!
(I guess I was carried away by recent 'Apple fever' pricing. I knew it...I was expecting a decent entry level price cut...and...BLURCH! NAR-WONDO!)
Guess they're going to need a sales thumping to TAKE THE HINT that the iMac2 is WAY(!) overpriced.
GRAAAAHHH!!!. HULK MAD!!!! SMAAAAAASH. (BANGS HEAD...THUMP! THUMP! THUMP! HARROW, APPLE! BUY A SWITCHING CLUE!!!!)
The way I look at it, is you get a slightly better machine for 200 dollars less. I don't know why people are so upset about this; one update doesn't nullify all future product updates (just look at the powermac line).
I feel this is a good update for the retail outlets as well; as they will be more likely to carry the apple line with fewer models to stock.
Just ask yourself is the imac line better today or before?
Just ask yourself is the imac line better today or before?
Thats the only thing that matters.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Unfortunately I expect most consumers don't compare Apple computers in isolation, they compare them to those available from other manufacturers. If Apple wants to gain market share, they need to produce computers that are competitive with the alternatives available.
Just ask yourself is the PC line better today or before? It's probably substantially better, due to the frequency and aggressiveness of updates, unlike the iMac.
<strong>- FW800... what's the deal with whining about this? How many people on the planet can make use of FW800 yet are still in the market for a non-professional computer? What could an iMac possibly do with 800 that it can't do with 400? Perhaps, 5 years from now, we'll be seeing our first CAT5E based FW networks... but who will be using an old, non-professional computer on such a network? Maybe 37 people on the planet. However, none of the people posting here are among those 37.
Who was the first computer maker to lose legacy I/O?
Now I am not saying the FireWire 400 is legacy but if they create a new technology it is best to get it out the door so the adoption for peripherals is much greater. No one thought USB would take off as fast as it did but it did. That is like saying that you are in a band and wanting to become famous world wide but to not allow export of your albums to other countries.
[quote] This announcement is too little, too late for the LCD iMac.
There should be no LCD iMac with less than 867MHz. I'll bet the $1299 800MHz iMac models were "downclocked" for marketing purposes.
Or we need a 800MHz 15" LCD iMac for $999, and let the eMac replace the G3 CRT iMac at the low end, between $700 - $999.
This is not the radical shakeup of the LCD iMac line I was expecting.
And it is not the kind of dramatic action necessary to pull the LCD iMac out of the doldrums.
And that's where it is.
It's time to call a spade a spade: the LCD iMac is failing.
Apple said it sold a paltry 160,000+ units in the Christmas quarter -- yes, the CHRISTMAS quarter!
These numbers are terrible.
And you can't keep blaming the economy and war and QuarkXPress for your troubles.
Sony, Dell and even HP are doing great.
Time to be brave and hold yourself responsible for a change.
We don't need excuses, we need action.
Or the LCD iMac will go the way of the Cube and the NeXT hardware division.
The LCD iMac should be selling a million units a quarter to be considered a commercial success. Instead, we're getting 100,000--160,000 a quarter. This is shockingly low.
Apple needs to find out exactly why it isn't selling and do something about it.
Too expensive?
Underpowered?
Do people discredit its power because of its compactness?
Is the advertising not resonating?
Find out exactly why it isn't selling and then do something about it before it's too late.
Today's announcement doesn't even come close.
Today's announcement isn't going to catapult the LCD iMac out of its slump.
We don't need incremental finessing of the existing line.
We need BOLD! <hr></blockquote>
Got from a guy over a Macworld/Central feedback to articles land.
Rod = god. He called it.
The shrinking Apple universe. The new updates are great if live in the aforementioned Apple Universe where 9 month updates get kinda made ta look frequent when you put them next to 13 month updates!!! No real world pricing or specs to pour cold ice water over a set of specs that would have been kinda okay January 2002. As long as you have a reality defying RDF and an insane amount of money to waste on genuine Antique(TM) retro specs...well, uh...I guess the latest round of iMac 2 updates are BLEEDING EDGE. WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
No. Folks. I...was kinda being sarcastic there...(no, really, I was...)
<strong>Prices while absurb don't surprise me, I mean come on it's Apple. But NO FIREWIRE 2!?
Wow these suck.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
This whole board is absurb.
Personally, I like the $1799 model.
Ghz, 17inch, 4xSuperdrive, DDR, 7200RPM, 64MB.
That screen is so gorgeous, I could never be mad at you. It's okay baby, I think you have a wonderful price/performance ratio. And more importantly a price/value ratio.
1.25 Ghz on the high end with a 167Mhz bus and I would have been happy with the 17 inch model
no reason for apple to be holding back on processor speeds like this.... they have them. **** the lowend powermac. people will buy that anyways. in fact that should be faster as well.
Got my FP iMac (800 Mhz/Superdrive/15'/512Mb BTO) just after first release, and looking at these new models I can safetly say that I'm STILL very happy with mine!
I've got nearly a year out of it and there is nothing in the new ones that I'd really need.
If I want bluetooth, I'll buy an adapter and new graphics card would be of no great bonus to me at the moment.
Don't need airport extreme either.
All in all, a pretty unimpressive revision <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>Got my FP iMac (800 Mhz/Superdrive/15'/512Mb BTO) just after first release, and looking at these new models I can safetly say that I'm STILL very happy with mine!
I've got nearly a year out of it and there is nothing in the new ones that I'd really need.
If I want bluetooth, I'll buy an adapter and new graphics card would be of no great bonus to me at the moment.
Don't need airport extreme either.
All in all, a pretty unimpressive revision <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
maybe not but im sure u wish you would have gotten that 17 inch screen considering they now cost the same and have much better specs
maybe not but im sure u wish you would have gotten that 17 inch screen considering they now cost the same and have much better specs</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> 17 inch would be nice, but not essential.
I was expecting a BIG revision for the iMac this time round and preparing to feel pissed at my current machine (you know the feeling a lot of people post about here when they buy a Mac and its revised soon after with loads of new stuff).
Well, I can say I'm certainly not pissed with my machine and the new revisions IMO don't make my Mac look THAT bad after all, as I've had it nearly a year now and it's serving my needs pretty well
The whole Firewire 2 debate is weird. since when did it become common sense to not add a feature to a brand new computer on the grounds that there is not much use for it now? using that reasoning apple would have kept scsi and the floppy drive.
I used to be able to count on going anywhere and being confident that the mac technology I would face would be consistent but apple seems to be keen to segment its products further and further in order to gain bigger margins on some products. If firewire 2 works then hell, put it in every machine. it should be a standard feature.
if Pcs start adding firewire 2 then the average joe down in PC World will have yet another reason (in his opinion) to not opt for mac. Not only would it seem like the processor is half the speed, the hard drive is smaller, the writer is slower, but even the firewire port is half the speed of the PC sat next to it! you can imagine the way these folks think. Yet isn't this surely the market for the imac?
A 17" 1GHz iMac is a bit less than a 1GHz Power Mac with 17" Apple Display.
So you choice whether you want AIO or expansion.
I'm getting a cheap (sub $1000) PC to tide me over until the Power Mac G5. This wouldn't be the case if there was a cheaper iMac 17" (combo drive, older mobo etc), or the eMac had a GeForce 4 MX.
Look, i'm (just like most people here) are not upset with CPU speed, or HD or mem, but at least for me creating an image of comapny which is ahead of the curve, and stating that they will innovate, then showing FW800 and bluetooth, and then this...
If apple wants to innovate what's better model than this?
People use cell phones, and more of them are being equipped with bluetooth, and who knows what we'll see in 6 months for FW800.
I just don't get it.
And i don't care if apple has a huge stock of imacs.
They should plan better, to me as a customer it's irrelevant, i won't be saying, oh yes they had to do it this way, i understand... NO F**** WAY!
And you know what, not equipping these comps with things like bluetooth and FW800 will only hurt apple.
Comments
- For those of you too clueless to figure it out. All the old models are still in plentiful supply. So if you prefer the old models, just buy one and quit bitching!
- It is naive to think that apple will refuse to take your money for future, internal bluetooth upgrades. Once they have enough in stock, they'll be available for aftermarket expansion.
- Why are so many people whining about the 15" model's lack of bluetooth and APE? Don't they realize its just the old model with different options? What is apple supposed to do, throw the old inventory in the trash?
- FW800... what's the deal with whining about this? How many people on the planet can make use of FW800 yet are still in the market for a non-professional computer? What could an iMac possibly do with 800 that it can't do with 400? Perhaps, 5 years from now, we'll be seeing our first CAT5E based FW networks... but who will be using an old, non-professional computer on such a network? Maybe 37 people on the planet. However, none of the people posting here are among those 37.
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<hr></blockquote>
Gee, I guess they're not the only ones who are clueless.
People are bitching because it's a poxy update!
Check out the UK pricing! OUCH!
Entry level model?!?
£999 inc VAT, STILL, for ancient technology in the best consumer PC case the market will ever see. IT's soooooo ooooooooooooooooold!
13 months. THIRTEEEEEN MONTHS!!! And...AND THIS IS IT!?!?!?
100mhz bus. POW!
800mhz G4. STAMPaSTAMPaSTAMPa!!!
15 inch screen...SMASH!!!
Geriatric Force2mx...KER-ASH!!! (Tinkle...)
That(!) was a bump!?
That was a lump (BUMP!) of SH*TE!!!
AND, what's this? A MASSIVE CHASM of £400 smackers until you get to the superdrive model!?!?
What's a matter Apple? Not getting a good enough deal on that ANNNNCIIIIIENT tech'?
PSEUDO DDR RAM!!!!! GRRRR! Geforce 4MX...COUGH, SPLUTTER...on yer TOP END model!?!? THAT WAS OVER HALF A YEAR AGO!!! HELLLLLLLOOOOOOOO!
(I guess I was carried away by recent 'Apple fever' pricing. I knew it...I was expecting a decent entry level price cut...and...BLURCH! NAR-WONDO!)
Guess they're going to need a sales thumping to TAKE THE HINT that the iMac2 is WAY(!) overpriced.
GRAAAAHHH!!!. HULK MAD!!!! SMAAAAAASH. (BANGS HEAD...THUMP! THUMP! THUMP! HARROW, APPLE! BUY A SWITCHING CLUE!!!!)
Lemon Bon Bon
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</p>
I feel this is a good update for the retail outlets as well; as they will be more likely to carry the apple line with fewer models to stock.
Just ask yourself is the imac line better today or before?
Thats the only thing that matters.
Keep up the good work!
<strong>
Just ask yourself is the imac line better today or before?
Thats the only thing that matters.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Unfortunately I expect most consumers don't compare Apple computers in isolation, they compare them to those available from other manufacturers. If Apple wants to gain market share, they need to produce computers that are competitive with the alternatives available.
Just ask yourself is the PC line better today or before? It's probably substantially better, due to the frequency and aggressiveness of updates, unlike the iMac.
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: RodUK ]</p>
<strong>- FW800... what's the deal with whining about this? How many people on the planet can make use of FW800 yet are still in the market for a non-professional computer? What could an iMac possibly do with 800 that it can't do with 400? Perhaps, 5 years from now, we'll be seeing our first CAT5E based FW networks... but who will be using an old, non-professional computer on such a network? Maybe 37 people on the planet. However, none of the people posting here are among those 37.
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Who was the first computer maker to lose legacy I/O?
Now I am not saying the FireWire 400 is legacy but if they create a new technology it is best to get it out the door so the adoption for peripherals is much greater. No one thought USB would take off as fast as it did but it did. That is like saying that you are in a band and wanting to become famous world wide but to not allow export of your albums to other countries.
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: Jared ]</p>
There should be no LCD iMac with less than 867MHz. I'll bet the $1299 800MHz iMac models were "downclocked" for marketing purposes.
Or we need a 800MHz 15" LCD iMac for $999, and let the eMac replace the G3 CRT iMac at the low end, between $700 - $999.
This is not the radical shakeup of the LCD iMac line I was expecting.
And it is not the kind of dramatic action necessary to pull the LCD iMac out of the doldrums.
And that's where it is.
It's time to call a spade a spade: the LCD iMac is failing.
Apple said it sold a paltry 160,000+ units in the Christmas quarter -- yes, the CHRISTMAS quarter!
These numbers are terrible.
And you can't keep blaming the economy and war and QuarkXPress for your troubles.
Sony, Dell and even HP are doing great.
Time to be brave and hold yourself responsible for a change.
We don't need excuses, we need action.
Or the LCD iMac will go the way of the Cube and the NeXT hardware division.
The LCD iMac should be selling a million units a quarter to be considered a commercial success. Instead, we're getting 100,000--160,000 a quarter. This is shockingly low.
Apple needs to find out exactly why it isn't selling and do something about it.
Too expensive?
Underpowered?
Do people discredit its power because of its compactness?
Is the advertising not resonating?
Find out exactly why it isn't selling and then do something about it before it's too late.
Today's announcement doesn't even come close.
Today's announcement isn't going to catapult the LCD iMac out of its slump.
We don't need incremental finessing of the existing line.
We need BOLD! <hr></blockquote>
Got from a guy over a Macworld/Central feedback to articles land.
Rod = god. He called it.
The shrinking Apple universe. The new updates are great if live in the aforementioned Apple Universe where 9 month updates get kinda made ta look frequent when you put them next to 13 month updates!!! No real world pricing or specs to pour cold ice water over a set of specs that would have been kinda okay January 2002. As long as you have a reality defying RDF and an insane amount of money to waste on genuine Antique(TM) retro specs...well, uh...I guess the latest round of iMac 2 updates are BLEEDING EDGE. WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
No. Folks. I...was kinda being sarcastic there...(no, really, I was...)
Is it really January 2003..? (Checks calender...)
Lemon Bon Bon
<strong>Prices while absurb don't surprise me, I mean come on it's Apple. But NO FIREWIRE 2!?
Wow these suck.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
This whole board is absurb.
Personally, I like the $1799 model.
Ghz, 17inch, 4xSuperdrive, DDR, 7200RPM, 64MB.
That screen is so gorgeous, I could never be mad at you. It's okay baby, I think you have a wonderful price/performance ratio. And more importantly a price/value ratio.
no reason for apple to be holding back on processor speeds like this.... they have them. **** the lowend powermac. people will buy that anyways. in fact that should be faster as well.
1Ghz and 1.25 or even 1.42 would have been sweet
800....pathetic
I've got nearly a year out of it and there is nothing in the new ones that I'd really need.
If I want bluetooth, I'll buy an adapter and new graphics card would be of no great bonus to me at the moment.
Don't need airport extreme either.
All in all, a pretty unimpressive revision <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>Got my FP iMac (800 Mhz/Superdrive/15'/512Mb BTO) just after first release, and looking at these new models I can safetly say that I'm STILL very happy with mine!
I've got nearly a year out of it and there is nothing in the new ones that I'd really need.
If I want bluetooth, I'll buy an adapter and new graphics card would be of no great bonus to me at the moment.
Don't need airport extreme either.
All in all, a pretty unimpressive revision <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
maybe not but im sure u wish you would have gotten that 17 inch screen considering they now cost the same and have much better specs
<strong>
maybe not but im sure u wish you would have gotten that 17 inch screen considering they now cost the same and have much better specs</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> 17 inch would be nice, but not essential.
I was expecting a BIG revision for the iMac this time round and preparing to feel pissed at my current machine (you know the feeling a lot of people post about here when they buy a Mac and its revised soon after with loads of new stuff).
Well, I can say I'm certainly not pissed with my machine and the new revisions IMO don't make my Mac look THAT bad after all, as I've had it nearly a year now and it's serving my needs pretty well
This has to be the year of the laptop!
I used to be able to count on going anywhere and being confident that the mac technology I would face would be consistent but apple seems to be keen to segment its products further and further in order to gain bigger margins on some products. If firewire 2 works then hell, put it in every machine. it should be a standard feature.
if Pcs start adding firewire 2 then the average joe down in PC World will have yet another reason (in his opinion) to not opt for mac. Not only would it seem like the processor is half the speed, the hard drive is smaller, the writer is slower, but even the firewire port is half the speed of the PC sat next to it! you can imagine the way these folks think. Yet isn't this surely the market for the imac?
Hopefully the 970 will be hitting the towers this summer/fall and at that point you KNOW the iMac will be getting a whole lot better.
A 17" 1GHz iMac is a bit less than a 1GHz Power Mac with 17" Apple Display.
So you choice whether you want AIO or expansion.
I'm getting a cheap (sub $1000) PC to tide me over until the Power Mac G5. This wouldn't be the case if there was a cheaper iMac 17" (combo drive, older mobo etc), or the eMac had a GeForce 4 MX.
Barto
If apple wants to innovate what's better model than this?
People use cell phones, and more of them are being equipped with bluetooth, and who knows what we'll see in 6 months for FW800.
I just don't get it.
And i don't care if apple has a huge stock of imacs.
They should plan better, to me as a customer it's irrelevant, i won't be saying, oh yes they had to do it this way, i understand... NO F**** WAY!
And you know what, not equipping these comps with things like bluetooth and FW800 will only hurt apple.
my 0.02 cents (Canadian)
I get 1781. vs 1799.
I think the looks of an iMac are worth 18 bucks. before we even begin talking about Microshaft and OSX.