How could they "explain it" to all those companies that have spent months carbonizing their apps that they have to start all over again?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Bingo!
OS X on Intel:Not goona happen for @ least 5 years.
Windows on OS X: Never goona happen for @ least the system level.
I got this from Go2Mac. If its true be prepared to be dissapointed. Can you believe Jobs would be stupid enough to use anything less than a 15 inch LCD in the new iMac? Would he be stupid enough to continue to sell a G4 tower for $1700 when you can get a P4 1.7 Ghz for $799 including a monitor? Time will tell. If the following is true, I may leave Apple for good (or consider buying used):
An anonymous reader sent along the following specs for Jobs' product introductions Monday. Do we believe them? Well, SpyMac apparently received the same e-mail, believing they were the only ones who got it. What's intriguing is the "CompUSA price" listed at the bottom and the part numbers: could this be another trademark Jobs misinformation campaign? Only time will tell. For Entertainment Purposes Only, here it is.
<strong>You know what I mean... Start a new thread called 'Crabley hypes MWSF 2005' </strong><hr></blockquote>
Okay, I'll stop being annoying now. I'm just thinking out of the box, and I think if you're going to do that then you have to put aside pre-conceived notions of what would and wouldn't be feasible. Anything's feasible if the will is there, and I think MacOS X as a universal platform would, as you American chaps say, rock. There's immeasurably more money in software than hardware. Apple is all about style and usability, both of which are goals that can be achieved in software. Hardware is now an irrelevance. It can be done, and it wouldn't take five years.
Would he be stupid enough to continue to sell a G4 tower for $1700 when you can get a P4 1.7 Ghz for $799 including a monitor?
It's a 1.2GHz G4 with DDR. You do realize this don't you? Or do you think anything less than a G5 would be ridiculous simply because it's a G5 and not A G4...
Oh, but mine goes up to 11...
This is starting to get crazy. If those specs are true, then IMO Apple has every right to hype it as much as it has. Changing platforms because of those specs would be insane.
Some people should stop reading these boards from time to time...
<strong>Okay, I'll stop being annoying now. I'm just thinking out of the box, and I think if you're going to do that then you have to put aside pre-conceived notions of what would and wouldn't be feasible. Anything's feasible if the will is there, and I think MacOS X as a universal platform would, as you American chaps say, rock. There's immeasurably more money in software than hardware. Apple is all about style and usability, both of which are goals that can be achieved in software. Hardware is now an irrelevance. It can be done, and it wouldn't take five years.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I wasnt saying it would take five years, in fact it may already be finished. I was saying that it will not happen for 5 years b/c if developers had to rewrite their code AGAIN to work on Apple's OS, they would just drop it and say screw Apple and then we would have no more Apps... (Think Steve Ballmer)
About there being more money in software then hardware. This is true, only not with the OS. Msft makes their money on Office and Games and such and uses their OS monopoly to push these things. They actually might even be taking a loss (well not likely) with their OS division. That's why Gates doesnt want to break up the companies. What would he care if there were 2 msft companies? They could still work together. But if one of those companies was losing money left and right, it would go bankrupt and then eventually so would the other half.
Anyway, if Apple were to go the MSFT way, they would be destroyed by MSFT. They have very few Apps, even if those few are very good. Hardly a good idea IMO.
A dual 1.4 GHz machine is almost twice as fast as the 800 MHz Dual machine that is top of the line now. If Apple can deliver this, it would be amazing.
<strong>A dual 1.4 GHz machine is almost twice as fast as the 800 MHz Dual machine that is top of the line now. If Apple can deliver this, it would be amazing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Anyway, if Apple were to go the MSFT way, they would be destroyed by MSFT. They have very few Apps, even if those few are very good. Hardly a good idea IMO.
-Paul</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah, but now you're right back in the box, you see?
A port to Intel wouldn't bring the PPC platform to a halt. Historically, manufacturers have gone the software route because their hardware business was failing, which is why everyone's knee-jerk reaction is that it would be a bad idea.
Would the current PPC users give up in disgust and buy Windows machines if OS X went x86? No, because their existing investment would be fine - they'd not be shut out of anything. Would all the developers who have spent so long carbonizing apps give up in disgust and go Windows? No, because the PPC market would still be there, as well as a rich new seam of potential revenue from x86 users. It's not, as you people seem to think, an either/or situation.
Good grief, I'm starting to sound like an Apple evangelist. I should say at this point that I don't own an Apple machine. I just like the look of OS X. Does that make me a bad person?
Ah, but now you're right back in the box, you see?
A port to Intel wouldn't bring the PPC platform to a halt. Historically, manufacturers have gone the software route because their hardware business was failing, which is why everyone's knee-jerk reaction is that it would be a bad idea.
Would the current PPC users give up in disgust and buy Windows machines if OS X went x86? No, because their existing investment would be fine - they'd not be shut out of anything. Would all the developers who have spent so long carbonizing apps give up in disgust and go Windows? No, because the PPC market would still be there, as well as a rich new seam of potential revenue from x86 users. It's not, as you people seem to think, an either/or situation.
Good grief, I'm starting to sound like an Apple evangelist. I should say at this point that I don't own an Apple machine. I just like the look of OS X. Does that make me a bad person?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good point, didnt think of it that way. But why would apple bother if the PPC was still viable?
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<strong>
How could they "explain it" to all those companies that have spent months carbonizing their apps that they have to start all over again?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Bingo!
OS X on Intel:Not goona happen for @ least 5 years.
Windows on OS X: Never goona happen for @ least the system level.
-Paul
It wont happen next week. It will be a last ditch attempt from Apple. Soooooo... ITS NOT AN OPTION!!!
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It wont happen next week. It will be a last ditch attempt from Apple. Soooooo... ITS NOT AN OPTION!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's an option, it's an option, it's an option, la, la, la, la. Am I annoying you yet?
An anonymous reader sent along the following specs for Jobs' product introductions Monday. Do we believe them? Well, SpyMac apparently received the same e-mail, believing they were the only ones who got it. What's intriguing is the "CompUSA price" listed at the bottom and the part numbers: could this be another trademark Jobs misinformation campaign? Only time will tell. For Entertainment Purposes Only, here it is.
G4 Mac M9541LL/A
1200 MHz PPC G4
256 MB PC DDR ram
60 GB HD
nVidia MX2 32mb
24x CDRW
GBEthernet
56K Modem
Wireless Ready (Airport)
Keyboard
Mouse
Mac OS X.2
Options: Airport/Gigawire
CompUSA Price $1699
G4Mac M9571LL/A
1400 MHz PPC G4
512 MB PC DDR ram
80 GB HD
nVidia MX2 32mb
DVDR-SUPERDRIVE
GBEthernet/GW
56K Modem
Wireless (Airport)
Keyboard
Mouse
Mac OS X.2
CompUSA Price $2499
G4Mac M9591LL/A
1400 (2X) GHz PPC G4
1024 MB PC DDR ram
120 GB HD
nVidia MX2 64mb/TWIN
DVDR-SUPERDRIVEII
GBEthernet/GW
56K Modem
Wireless (Airport)
Keyboard
Mouse
Mac OS X.2
CompUSA Price $3499
iMac M8545LL/A
750 MHz PPC G3
256 MB PC 100 SDRAM
20 GB HD
14î CRT
ATI Rage 128 (16MB)
24x CDROM
Ethernet
56K Modem
Wireless Ready (Airport)
Keyboard
Mouse
Mac OS X
Options: Graphite, Indigo and Classic
CompUSA Price $799
iMac M3731LL/A
1 GHz PPC G3
256 MB PC 133 SDRAM
40 GB HD
14.1î LCD Display
ATI RADEON 7000 (16 MB)
8x DVDROM
Ethernet
56K Modem
Wireless Ready (Airport)
Keyboard
Mouse
Mac OS X
CompUSA Price $1299
iMac M3732LL/A
1 GHz PPC G3
256 MB PC 133 SDRAM
40 GB HD
14.1î LCD Display
ATI RADEON 7000 (16 MB)
8x CDRW
Ethernet
56K Modem
Wireless Ready (Airport)
Keyboard
Mouse
Mac OS X
CompUSA Price $1299
IMac M3733LL/A
1 GHz PPC G3
512 MB PC 133 SDRAM
60 GB HD
14.1î LCD Display
ATI RADEON 7000 (16 MB)
8x CDRW/DVDROM
Ethernet
56K Modem
Wireless Ready (Airport)
Keyboard
Mouse
Mac OS X
CompUSA Price $1499
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<strong>You know what I mean... Start a new thread called 'Crabley hypes MWSF 2005'
Okay, I'll stop being annoying now. I'm just thinking out of the box, and I think if you're going to do that then you have to put aside pre-conceived notions of what would and wouldn't be feasible. Anything's feasible if the will is there, and I think MacOS X as a universal platform would, as you American chaps say, rock. There's immeasurably more money in software than hardware. Apple is all about style and usability, both of which are goals that can be achieved in software. Hardware is now an irrelevance. It can be done, and it wouldn't take five years.
<strong>I got this from Go2Mac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And Go2Mac got it from spymac who got it from somewhere else - and it has been beaten to death here several times.
SNIP CRAP REMOVAL SNIP
For Entertainment Purposes Only, here it is.<hr></blockquote>
Four steps to a better tomorrow:
1. Go Apple Store.
2. Order OSX 10.1.
3. Check Apple Product Code number.
4. Realize you are victim of hoax.
It's a 1.2GHz G4 with DDR. You do realize this don't you? Or do you think anything less than a G5 would be ridiculous simply because it's a G5 and not A G4...
Oh, but mine goes up to 11...
This is starting to get crazy. If those specs are true, then IMO Apple has every right to hype it as much as it has. Changing platforms because of those specs would be insane.
Some people should stop reading these boards from time to time...
<strong>
Four steps to a better tomorrow:
1. Go Apple Store.
2. Order OSX 10.1.
3. Check Apple Product Code number.
4. Realize you are victim of hoax.</strong><hr></blockquote>
GOOD JOB <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
What a shame though.... I was kind of happy about the specifications stated by spymac concerning the powermac.
Maybe it is true after all, the speed bump for the pro line will be about only 66 mhtz as I saw in other sites
<strong>Okay, I'll stop being annoying now. I'm just thinking out of the box, and I think if you're going to do that then you have to put aside pre-conceived notions of what would and wouldn't be feasible. Anything's feasible if the will is there, and I think MacOS X as a universal platform would, as you American chaps say, rock. There's immeasurably more money in software than hardware. Apple is all about style and usability, both of which are goals that can be achieved in software. Hardware is now an irrelevance. It can be done, and it wouldn't take five years.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I wasnt saying it would take five years, in fact it may already be finished. I was saying that it will not happen for 5 years b/c if developers had to rewrite their code AGAIN to work on Apple's OS, they would just drop it and say screw Apple and then we would have no more Apps... (Think Steve Ballmer)
About there being more money in software then hardware. This is true, only not with the OS. Msft makes their money on Office and Games and such and uses their OS monopoly to push these things. They actually might even be taking a loss (well not likely) with their OS division. That's why Gates doesnt want to break up the companies. What would he care if there were 2 msft companies? They could still work together. But if one of those companies was losing money left and right, it would go bankrupt and then eventually so would the other half.
Anyway, if Apple were to go the MSFT way, they would be destroyed by MSFT. They have very few Apps, even if those few are very good. Hardly a good idea IMO.
-Paul
<strong>A dual 1.4 GHz machine is almost twice as fast as the 800 MHz Dual machine that is top of the line now. If Apple can deliver this, it would be amazing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
With the DDR ram, wouldnt it easily be 2x faster?
-Paul
<strong>
Anyway, if Apple were to go the MSFT way, they would be destroyed by MSFT. They have very few Apps, even if those few are very good. Hardly a good idea IMO.
-Paul</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah, but now you're right back in the box, you see?
A port to Intel wouldn't bring the PPC platform to a halt. Historically, manufacturers have gone the software route because their hardware business was failing, which is why everyone's knee-jerk reaction is that it would be a bad idea.
Would the current PPC users give up in disgust and buy Windows machines if OS X went x86? No, because their existing investment would be fine - they'd not be shut out of anything. Would all the developers who have spent so long carbonizing apps give up in disgust and go Windows? No, because the PPC market would still be there, as well as a rich new seam of potential revenue from x86 users. It's not, as you people seem to think, an either/or situation.
Good grief, I'm starting to sound like an Apple evangelist. I should say at this point that I don't own an Apple machine. I just like the look of OS X. Does that make me a bad person?
With all of this hype, would a lot of people jump to the other platform?
[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: Fran441 ]</p>
<strong>
Ah, but now you're right back in the box, you see?
A port to Intel wouldn't bring the PPC platform to a halt. Historically, manufacturers have gone the software route because their hardware business was failing, which is why everyone's knee-jerk reaction is that it would be a bad idea.
Would the current PPC users give up in disgust and buy Windows machines if OS X went x86? No, because their existing investment would be fine - they'd not be shut out of anything. Would all the developers who have spent so long carbonizing apps give up in disgust and go Windows? No, because the PPC market would still be there, as well as a rich new seam of potential revenue from x86 users. It's not, as you people seem to think, an either/or situation.
Good grief, I'm starting to sound like an Apple evangelist. I should say at this point that I don't own an Apple machine. I just like the look of OS X. Does that make me a bad person?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good point, didnt think of it that way. But why would apple bother if the PPC was still viable?
-Paul
<strong>I guess the better question is what does Apple do if they don't break the 1 GHz mark at MWSF?
With all of this hype, would a lot of people jump to the other platform?
[ 01-05-2002: Message edited by: Fran441 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'd rather this happen then them doing somthing drasticly STUPID and port OS X to x86!!
-Paul