so we're talking rendering here? well, i think a quad g4 system would be devestatingly good for a variety of reasons ...
i agree with the comments on maya 4 .... 3.5 is really a teaser; dipping one's feet in the water. A/W have ported a lot of code, and persuaded some of their userbase to switch to macs for 3d work, and probably attracted some of the LW/ EI / C4D crowd to try out maya. and when i say try out, i mean it as i'm guessing A/W haven't sold too many shrinkwrapped packs but a lot more copies have been d/led from various carracho and HL servers ... hehe
Sorry, I digress. the point is that Maya 4 should be the 'real' debut product for a now-maturing OS X. I'm quite sure it'll be MP aware and have good Altivec utilisation. With A/W such a high profile OS X developer, I 'm sure they are very close to Apple when i comes to testing new builds of X and new hardware: my guess is they have been playing safe while Apple sorts its processor strategy out, like how to best lever MP control (for >2 G4s) in X, what next-gen SIMD they will use, and hopefully how to use multicore or 64bit architecture. One way or the other it seems Apple have made many of these decisions and we'll find out what they are on Monday.
I'm not sure about network rendering on LW in X, but the latest version of Cinema 4D (7.3) is damn fast. It has been MP aware, Altivec enabled and a fast render for at least 18 months, and was working on X the day 10.0 was released. And now Maxon have sorted out the network rendering in C4D net. It works over TCP/IP, so adding a cluster of MP G4s running OS X and the client rendering engines on a gigabit ethernet LAN/WAN should already yield gob-smackingly fast results. God only know how much faster quad G4s would be: I guess a 60-80% increase per processor?
Using higher numbers of G4s (or G5s) in MP configs will yield very substantial productivity yields: OS X makes it more possible than 9 ever could. FCP3 is one of the apps which gives Mac OS X a dramatic edge for real-time editing: I'm sure FCP3 would positively SCREAM on a quad system: Apple are at pains to point out how well it runs on a MP system (good news for all those users who bought dual 450/500 systems in 2000) These are the kinds of things that will make 3d, effects and post-prod power users will sit up and notice.And I'm guessing Apple WILL be making people from outside their traditional domain sit up on Monday!
Thinking of renderfarms, I wonder how useful Gigawire is going to be for this? Fast wireless networking? Crikey .... Real-time effects-laden HDTV-res rendering and wireless local transmission ....
<strong>and Apple hate it when one product encroaches on anothers target market. No 'PDA' as we know it cos that would encroach on the iPod. </strong><hr></blockquote>
NO PDA in existence would encroach on the iPod. iPod is designed to be a very good MP3 player and that's it. iPod will probably get the obvious additions at some point: a mic and voice recorder. But it ends there.
Other devices will fill other tasks. They do not 'encroach' at all. Something no one selling PDA's right now really wants to admitt is that they are basically useless fo most people.
Newton (2 going on 3 years) may have been the only truly useful PDA. It was bigger than even PocketPC's, but you could write on it. It'd have a eal use for people who can't sit at a desk, or open up a laptop and type during a meeting/lecture etc. Because of space/clutter reasons. But if I could comfortably take notes on it, and record voice, bingo! Add a scheduler, decent word processing, and powerful database and you have a winner. But it has nothing to do with an iPod.
are you 12 years old or what? do you know what maya version 4 is? no? ok i'll tell you. altivec and mp aware. think. maya 3.5 was just a teaser. the big guys are still waiting. so cool down. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
No problem. I'm cool.
Why the attack? Do you own a copy of Maya 4? If so, what are the improvements? If not, why the tone?
I'm not riled up. I was just mentioning the fact that maya - as it's available now - isn't MP aware. That's all that counts for me. I'll give a rats ass about Maya version 4, once I can install it. Until then, mentioning the power of Maya in a post where quad G4 configurations are mentioned only gives wrong impressions.
Don't drag me into discussions you're bound to lose, because making assumptions about unreleased software and it's performance on non-available hardware a pretty stupid. I mean, it's nice to dream and extrapolate, as long as it's mentioned that it's an exercise.
The one you're after is the poster that started the Maya on quad G4's in the first place.
"One more thing...Aliaswavefront has a great application, but unfortunaly SGI does not have the funds to continue develop Maya the way it should today, and that is why Apple is buying AliasWawefront and intergrates Maya in our product family. It will be the perfect companion to FinalCutPro and DVDPro to complete the chain of proffesional movieproduction...
And combining this with our new rackmounted servers it will kick ass....."
Matsu, I forgot about the Newt for a minute when I wrote that. What I meant was, PDAs now are trying to be everything... Pocket PC are going the mini multimedia thingy and now palm are too (Sony Clie and Palms aquisition of Be)
I own an iPod. If Apple produce a PDA, it will be without MP3 cos who would buy the iPod if they could spend a few extra bucks on iPad thing.
So when I meant, PDA as we know it I meant as we know the current batch of palms and pocket pcs...
I own an iPod. If Apple produce a PDA, it will be without MP3 cos who would buy the iPod if they could spend a few extra bucks on iPad thing.
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Because "a few bucks" mean something different when we are talking about Apple than when we buy milk.
Remember the newton 2x00? if I am not mistaken it was more expensive than the low end iMac. And IF an Apple PDA should ever see the light of day it would not be significant cheaper.
Lets hope Apple addresses the professional end of its product line AS MUCH as the consumer line. Theyve lost alot of ground to windows and Ive seen whole creative companies switch from Mac to pc (including the one im at
<strong>Lets hope Apple addresses the professional end of its product line AS MUCH as the consumer line. Theyve lost alot of ground to windows and Ive seen whole creative companies switch from Mac to pc (including the one im at </strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>Yes, this is some serious hype... but keep in mind that it is aimed at the average Joe-consumer, not the geeky types sitting on this board winding themselves into a tizzy over some imagined G5 machine.</strong><hr></blockquote>
okay, silly question, but then explain that comment about "beyond the rumor sites"... joe consumer isn't usually here with us, i know that for sure, having been here off and on since the apple reality days.
no, EVERYone watches macworld NY and SF every year (and, to a lesser extent, seybold, since that tends to be high-end porfessional use.
SO the way I see it is that the pint of this thread is now to be the 1000'th poster.
Everyone pitches in $1 or equivalent currency into the "pot", and then towards the end of this thread, which should end in the same manner as an ebay auction, everyone will be vying for the 1000 message post.
Whoever wins collects the 40 or 50 bucks.
( Obligatory Mac content: I wonder what the slogan will say tomorrow?)
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<strong>Why does the tagline have Full speed ahead: Lust Factor Ten?
They capitalize Lust Factor Ten, why?
Any significance?</strong><hr></blockquote>
So, what do you think?
<strong>Why does the tagline have Full speed ahead: Lust Factor Ten?
They capitalize Lust Factor Ten, why?
Any significance?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It looked better? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
i agree with the comments on maya 4 .... 3.5 is really a teaser; dipping one's feet in the water. A/W have ported a lot of code, and persuaded some of their userbase to switch to macs for 3d work, and probably attracted some of the LW/ EI / C4D crowd to try out maya. and when i say try out, i mean it
Sorry, I digress. the point is that Maya 4 should be the 'real' debut product for a now-maturing OS X. I'm quite sure it'll be MP aware and have good Altivec utilisation. With A/W such a high profile OS X developer, I 'm sure they are very close to Apple when i comes to testing new builds of X and new hardware: my guess is they have been playing safe while Apple sorts its processor strategy out, like how to best lever MP control (for >2 G4s) in X, what next-gen SIMD they will use, and hopefully how to use multicore or 64bit architecture. One way or the other it seems Apple have made many of these decisions and we'll find out what they are on Monday.
I'm not sure about network rendering on LW in X, but the latest version of Cinema 4D (7.3) is damn fast. It has been MP aware, Altivec enabled and a fast render for at least 18 months, and was working on X the day 10.0 was released. And now Maxon have sorted out the network rendering in C4D net. It works over TCP/IP, so adding a cluster of MP G4s running OS X and the client rendering engines on a gigabit ethernet LAN/WAN should already yield gob-smackingly fast results. God only know how much faster quad G4s would be: I guess a 60-80% increase per processor?
Using higher numbers of G4s (or G5s) in MP configs will yield very substantial productivity yields: OS X makes it more possible than 9 ever could. FCP3 is one of the apps which gives Mac OS X a dramatic edge for real-time editing: I'm sure FCP3 would positively SCREAM on a quad system: Apple are at pains to point out how well it runs on a MP system (good news for all those users who bought dual 450/500 systems in 2000) These are the kinds of things that will make 3d, effects and post-prod power users will sit up and notice.And I'm guessing Apple WILL be making people from outside their traditional domain sit up on Monday!
Thinking of renderfarms, I wonder how useful Gigawire is going to be for this? Fast wireless networking? Crikey .... Real-time effects-laden HDTV-res rendering and wireless local transmission ....
Think I need to go now ... too excited
<strong>and Apple hate it when one product encroaches on anothers target market. No 'PDA' as we know it cos that would encroach on the iPod. </strong><hr></blockquote>
NO PDA in existence would encroach on the iPod. iPod is designed to be a very good MP3 player and that's it. iPod will probably get the obvious additions at some point: a mic and voice recorder. But it ends there.
Other devices will fill other tasks. They do not 'encroach' at all. Something no one selling PDA's right now really wants to admitt is that they are basically useless fo most people.
Newton (2 going on 3 years) may have been the only truly useful PDA. It was bigger than even PocketPC's, but you could write on it. It'd have a eal use for people who can't sit at a desk, or open up a laptop and type during a meeting/lecture etc. Because of space/clutter reasons. But if I could comfortably take notes on it, and record voice, bingo! Add a scheduler, decent word processing, and powerful database and you have a winner. But it has nothing to do with an iPod.
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are you 12 years old or what? do you know what maya version 4 is? no? ok i'll tell you. altivec and mp aware. think. maya 3.5 was just a teaser. the big guys are still waiting. so cool down. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
No problem. I'm cool.
Why the attack? Do you own a copy of Maya 4? If so, what are the improvements? If not, why the tone?
I'm not riled up. I was just mentioning the fact that maya - as it's available now - isn't MP aware. That's all that counts for me. I'll give a rats ass about Maya version 4, once I can install it. Until then, mentioning the power of Maya in a post where quad G4 configurations are mentioned only gives wrong impressions.
Don't drag me into discussions you're bound to lose, because making assumptions about unreleased software and it's performance on non-available hardware a pretty stupid. I mean, it's nice to dream and extrapolate, as long as it's mentioned that it's an exercise.
The one you're after is the poster that started the Maya on quad G4's in the first place.
Steve says:
"One more thing...Aliaswavefront has a great application, but unfortunaly SGI does not have the funds to continue develop Maya the way it should today, and that is why Apple is buying AliasWawefront and intergrates Maya in our product family. It will be the perfect companion to FinalCutPro and DVDPro to complete the chain of proffesional movieproduction...
And combining this with our new rackmounted servers it will kick ass....."
as i said...just trippin
I own an iPod. If Apple produce a PDA, it will be without MP3 cos who would buy the iPod if they could spend a few extra bucks on iPad thing.
So when I meant, PDA as we know it I meant as we know the current batch of palms and pocket pcs...
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I own an iPod. If Apple produce a PDA, it will be without MP3 cos who would buy the iPod if they could spend a few extra bucks on iPad thing.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Because "a few bucks" mean something different when we are talking about Apple than when we buy milk.
Remember the newton 2x00? if I am not mistaken it was more expensive than the low end iMac. And IF an Apple PDA should ever see the light of day it would not be significant cheaper.
Under water ??????
Well I've read a bunch of rumors talking about a product being water proof (Dolphin project)
Maybe this is it.....
<strong>Lets hope Apple addresses the professional end of its product line AS MUCH as the consumer line. Theyve lost alot of ground to windows and Ive seen whole creative companies switch from Mac to pc (including the one im at
Amen to that!!!
Well I've read a bunch of rumors talking about a product being water proof (Dolphin project)
Maybe this is it.....<hr></blockquote>
Be realistic for a minute. Who needs/wants to use their Mac under water? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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<strong>Yes, this is some serious hype... but keep in mind that it is aimed at the average Joe-consumer, not the geeky types sitting on this board winding themselves into a tizzy over some imagined G5 machine.</strong><hr></blockquote>
okay, silly question, but then explain that comment about "beyond the rumor sites"... joe consumer isn't usually here with us, i know that for sure, having been here off and on since the apple reality days.
no, EVERYone watches macworld NY and SF every year (and, to a lesser extent, seybold, since that tends to be high-end porfessional use.
And by the way I did not come up with the dolphin stuff all by myself...
But I must agree that this is foolish
Just hope that all this Hype will not let us down...
-Paul
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okay, silly question, but then explain that comment about "beyond the rumor sites"...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ever consider that they're just messing with us?
It's definitely got these boards humming!!
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Ever consider that they're just messing with us?
It's definitely got these boards humming!!
Knowing Apple, prolly.
<strong>Thy capitalize Lust Factor Ten. Why? They do not capitalize the entire tagline just these words?</strong><hr></blockquote>
To give you something to speculate on??!!!
Everyone pitches in $1 or equivalent currency into the "pot", and then towards the end of this thread, which should end in the same manner as an ebay auction, everyone will be vying for the 1000 message post.
Whoever wins collects the 40 or 50 bucks.
( Obligatory Mac content: I wonder what the slogan will say tomorrow?)
MSKR