Some of us live in the States, but the wrong states, with no AT&T service. I'm hoping, like you probably, that this thing can be unlocked pretty quickly and used outside of AT&T's claws.
I'm waiting for the 3G version; no way am I going back to 2G.
The greatest thing about the iPhone is it is ALL software, which means they could add functions at will, including the button for use this song as my ringtone. I hope you can eventually assign ringtones to people: Stevie Wonder's "I just called to say I love you" for my wife, something a little more depressing for my banker (who always calls to complain that I spend too much money on Apple products) and something outright dreadful for my mother-in-law.
While I was writing this there were many posts and it appears that your findings on market share reflect what I was saying. I hardly see anyone with Apple products here. If you go into an Apple store those will be the only people with any sort of Apple product. The stores are never busy. They are like clothing boutiques that sell a rare product and have a niche following.
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PS: I encourage you to browse their website, en.meizu.com, esp. their "Userforum." The general discussion area welcomes one with: "No matter the suggestion to Meizu company, or the suggestions to Meizu websites, pls speaking out freely." Generally, they seem to be a bit coy on product availability in the West. Perhaps they sell a truckload in Japan, who knows. In any event, I have a suspicion that Apple's lawyers might soon be speaking out freely....
Apple stole the iPhone design from the LG Prada Phone. The trend is going towards luxury phones and LG started it.
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Success,
1) If you were in Apple's board room tomorrow and SJ asked you "how can Apple significantly improve its market share in Japan for all of its products", what would you say?
ANSWER:Sell a $500 portable Apple computer. Bye Bye Mac Mini.
2) How popular is the iPod in Japan?
ANSWER:I'm not sure but considering the density of Osaka/Tokyo and how often I see people wearing them I'd say not very. You see the odd girl flashing her pink iPod Nano around her neck and my friend has an iPod Video at home to study English movies but those are the only people I've seen with it lol
3) When the iPhone eventually adds the Japan-specific features needed, what do you think its prospects will be in that market? Ditto for the rest of Asia?
ANSWER:The prospects will be the same as any other phone that does what the iPhone does when it's released here.
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I envy all of you who live in the States and can actually buy this device...One accessory for the iPhone is indeed an arm band so you can wear it jogging. Why carry two devices when you can get away with one?
A year from now the iPhone won't be a big deal because there will be many like it. It's only a matter of time before most phones will have a touch screen display. Most people don't care that it's OS X. They care that it's touch screen and you can slide your finger around on it like Minority Report. Think about it. When you first saw the iPhone in action your main thought was not, "cool! it comes with OS X!" No, you were thinking, "wow...look at that guy slide his finger around and all the text is whizzing back and forth. And you also heard everyone's applause and cheers during its reveal. The hoopla was during the crazy touch screen antics. You want to go running with that monstrous thing attached to your arm? Why don't you just buy a 1985 Sony Walkman? The iPhone would look like an iPod Nano on Yao Ming or Shakil O'neil but that's about it.
I will buy it because I was already a long time Mac user and that is the only reason. That's why Apple needs to release a $650 Apple laptop or tablet
Apple stole the iPhone design from the LG Prada Phone. The trend is going towards luxury phones and LG started it.
Yep, LG unveiled the Prada phone late november/early december 2006, and Apple developed the iPhone in a couple of weeks and unveiled it in January 2007.
All you have to do is research the patent literature to see that Apple has been involved in developing a multi-touch phone (and other consumer devices) since ~2004 around the time of its acquisition of FingerWorks and all of their multi-touch (MT) patents for the iGestures devices (do an AI search on my prior posts to get specific patent references) .
If it ever comes to it, APPL will crush LG in the patent/prior art arena for the iPhone and associated multi-touch screen technology. I would not be surprised to see APPL go after LG anyway if they feel the Prada will affect their iPhone sales worldwide. Finally, APPL would be more at risk from Jeff Han and other early MT inventors for the iPhone than LG but rumor (never confirmed or denied by Han) has it that Han and Apple reached a secret financial agreement on MT about 12-18 months ago.
While I was writing this there were many posts and it appears that your findings on market share reflect what I was saying. I hardly see anyone with Apple products here. If you go into an Apple store those will be the only people with any sort of Apple product. The stores are never busy. They are like clothing boutiques that sell a rare product and have a niche following.
Interesting, but....
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Apple stole the iPhone design from the LG Prada Phone. The trend is going towards luxury phones and LG started it.
Your credibility here just took a hit that will take you awhile to recover from. I suggest posting only bone simple conventional wisdom for a while to buy time while it heals.
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A year from now the iPhone won't be a big deal because there will be many like it. It's only a matter of time before most phones will have a touch screen display. Most people don't care that it's OS X. They care that it's touch screen and you can slide your finger around on it like Minority Report. Think about it. When you first saw the iPhone in action your main thought was not, "cool! it comes with OS X!" No, you were thinking, "wow...look at that guy slide his finger around and all the text is whizzing back and forth. And you also heard everyone's applause and cheers during its reveal. The hoopla was during the crazy touch screen antics. You want to go running with that monstrous thing attached to your arm? Why don't you just buy a 1985 Sony Walkman? The iPhone would look like an iPod Nano on Yao Ming or Shakil O'neil but that's about it.
The fact that the iPhone runs OS X has huge ramifications for what it can do, how it does it, and how it fits into Apple's larger plans, so even if some folks didn't think "Oh, cool, OS X" they are still reacting to a UI that is enabled by exactly that, so it's a distinction without a difference.
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I will buy it because I was already a long time Mac user and that is the only reason. That's why Apple needs to release a $650 Apple laptop or tablet
Finishing up with a non-sequitur is a time honored Apple Insider tradition, however, so points for that.
Your credibility here just took a hit that will take you awhile to recover from. I suggest posting only bone simple conventional wisdom for a while to buy time while it heals.
My credibility? It's a forum. You obviously take forums way to seriously. That's the info I found. If it's wrong post a piece of evidence to the contrary that is more than just heresy so I can learn from it. You haven't even posted something to show that the iPhone was designed before the Prada phone which I personally would like to see. And even then just because you patented something before me it doesn't mean you thought of it before me. I can think of a design for a UFO and if you think of it second you could still beat me to the patent. I don't mind being wrong so why act like it's a sin to be wrong on a forum?
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Finishing up with a non-sequitur is a time honored Apple Insider tradition, however, so points for that.
Dude. Again, this isn't a pissin contest nor do I need your "points". Go get a girlfriend or a hobby or something. I guess that's reflected in the fact that you have over 5k posts and I have only 18 even though I've visited (not joined), this forum since it opened.
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...even if some folks didn't think "Oh, cool, OS X" they are still reacting to a UI that is enabled by exactly that, so it's a distinction without a difference.
They aren't reacting to it over here cause they don't have it. And by the time they get it others will have already been here with similar UI's. If the iPhone were released here right now the only sales it would make would be to the foreigners. Got OS X but No free 1SEG TV plus recording capability or GPS? See ya.
My credibility? It's a forum. You obviously take forums way to seriously. That's the info I found. If it's wrong post a piece of evidence to the contrary that is more than just heresy so I can learn from it. You haven't even posted something to show that the iPhone was designed before the Prada phone which I personally would like to see.
They aren't reacting to it over here cause they don't have it. And by the time they get it others will have already been here with similar UI's. If the iPhone were released here right now the only sales it would make would be to the foreigners. Got OS X but No free 1SEG TV plus recording capability or GPS? See ya.
1) Mobile phones have a development cycle measured in years, and that includes design (plus giant touch screen phone is an obvious idea, that everyone ignored because corporations are inherently conservative). It is, quite frankly, impossible to steal someone's design in three months unless you're from China and you photoshop it
2) Oh sure, I agree, the current iPhone would tank in Japan. We discussed this already, and continue to discuss it in Apple Japan: Looking Forward. The gist being iPhone's UI beats everything, but it lacks virtually all of Japan's software/hardware baseline features.
Have Apple patented the docking station for the iPhone thus if you buy the iPhone you will need to purchase the docking station from them, or will it be possible to buy from third parties? (same as ipods)
Have Apple patented the docking station for the iPhone thus if you buy the iPhone you will need to purchase the docking station from them, or will it be possible to buy from third parties? (same as ipods)
Apple says it uses the same dock connecter as iPods, so other docks should work.
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Some of us live in the States, but the wrong states, with no AT&T service. I'm hoping, like you probably, that this thing can be unlocked pretty quickly and used outside of AT&T's claws.
I'm waiting for the 3G version; no way am I going back to 2G.
The greatest thing about the iPhone is it is ALL software, which means they could add functions at will, including the button for use this song as my ringtone. I hope you can eventually assign ringtones to people: Stevie Wonder's "I just called to say I love you" for my wife, something a little more depressing for my banker (who always calls to complain that I spend too much money on Apple products) and something outright dreadful for my mother-in-law.
PS: I encourage you to browse their website, en.meizu.com, esp. their "Userforum." The general discussion area welcomes one with: "No matter the suggestion to Meizu company, or the suggestions to Meizu websites, pls speaking out freely." Generally, they seem to be a bit coy on product availability in the West. Perhaps they sell a truckload in Japan, who knows. In any event, I have a suspicion that Apple's lawyers might soon be speaking out freely....
Apple stole the iPhone design from the LG Prada Phone. The trend is going towards luxury phones and LG started it.
Success,
1) If you were in Apple's board room tomorrow and SJ asked you "how can Apple significantly improve its market share in Japan for all of its products", what would you say?
ANSWER:Sell a $500 portable Apple computer. Bye Bye Mac Mini.
2) How popular is the iPod in Japan?
ANSWER:I'm not sure but considering the density of Osaka/Tokyo and how often I see people wearing them I'd say not very. You see the odd girl flashing her pink iPod Nano around her neck and my friend has an iPod Video at home to study English movies but those are the only people I've seen with it lol
3) When the iPhone eventually adds the Japan-specific features needed, what do you think its prospects will be in that market? Ditto for the rest of Asia?
ANSWER:The prospects will be the same as any other phone that does what the iPhone does when it's released here.
I envy all of you who live in the States and can actually buy this device...One accessory for the iPhone is indeed an arm band so you can wear it jogging. Why carry two devices when you can get away with one?
A year from now the iPhone won't be a big deal because there will be many like it. It's only a matter of time before most phones will have a touch screen display. Most people don't care that it's OS X. They care that it's touch screen and you can slide your finger around on it like Minority Report. Think about it. When you first saw the iPhone in action your main thought was not, "cool! it comes with OS X!" No, you were thinking, "wow...look at that guy slide his finger around and all the text is whizzing back and forth. And you also heard everyone's applause and cheers during its reveal. The hoopla was during the crazy touch screen antics. You want to go running with that monstrous thing attached to your arm? Why don't you just buy a 1985 Sony Walkman? The iPhone would look like an iPod Nano on Yao Ming or Shakil O'neil but that's about it.
I will buy it because I was already a long time Mac user and that is the only reason. That's why Apple needs to release a $650 Apple laptop or tablet
Apple stole the iPhone design from the LG Prada Phone.
I rarely use this term, but I feel compelled to: You're only trying to sound like an idiot, right?
4 on screen buttons as opposed to ONE BUTTON.
Runs flash which eats battery life
Few apps vs MAPS, SAFARI, MAIL, WIDGETS
Nope. The iPhone is not a copy.
Apple stole the iPhone design from the LG Prada Phone. The trend is going towards luxury phones and LG started it.
Yep, LG unveiled the Prada phone late november/early december 2006, and Apple developed the iPhone in a couple of weeks and unveiled it in January 2007.
The only options in the photo app appear to be: Use As Wallpaper, Email Photo and Assign To Contacts.
If that is the case and you can't send files by Bluetooth, then that really sucks!
http://www.unwiredview.com/2007/01/1...ed-by-patents/
If you do a similiar patent search on LG, there is precious little in the patent application literature until very recently.
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...DN/20070075915
If it ever comes to it, APPL will crush LG in the patent/prior art arena for the iPhone and associated multi-touch screen technology. I would not be surprised to see APPL go after LG anyway if they feel the Prada will affect their iPhone sales worldwide. Finally, APPL would be more at risk from Jeff Han and other early MT inventors for the iPhone than LG but rumor (never confirmed or denied by Han) has it that Han and Apple reached a secret financial agreement on MT about 12-18 months ago.
While I was writing this there were many posts and it appears that your findings on market share reflect what I was saying. I hardly see anyone with Apple products here. If you go into an Apple store those will be the only people with any sort of Apple product. The stores are never busy. They are like clothing boutiques that sell a rare product and have a niche following.
Interesting, but....
Apple stole the iPhone design from the LG Prada Phone. The trend is going towards luxury phones and LG started it.
Your credibility here just took a hit that will take you awhile to recover from. I suggest posting only bone simple conventional wisdom for a while to buy time while it heals.
A year from now the iPhone won't be a big deal because there will be many like it. It's only a matter of time before most phones will have a touch screen display. Most people don't care that it's OS X. They care that it's touch screen and you can slide your finger around on it like Minority Report. Think about it. When you first saw the iPhone in action your main thought was not, "cool! it comes with OS X!" No, you were thinking, "wow...look at that guy slide his finger around and all the text is whizzing back and forth. And you also heard everyone's applause and cheers during its reveal. The hoopla was during the crazy touch screen antics. You want to go running with that monstrous thing attached to your arm? Why don't you just buy a 1985 Sony Walkman? The iPhone would look like an iPod Nano on Yao Ming or Shakil O'neil but that's about it.
The fact that the iPhone runs OS X has huge ramifications for what it can do, how it does it, and how it fits into Apple's larger plans, so even if some folks didn't think "Oh, cool, OS X" they are still reacting to a UI that is enabled by exactly that, so it's a distinction without a difference.
I will buy it because I was already a long time Mac user and that is the only reason. That's why Apple needs to release a $650 Apple laptop or tablet
Finishing up with a non-sequitur is a time honored Apple Insider tradition, however, so points for that.
Watch it again and youll see what i mean he sorta has a lispse too
And a gold wedding band.
Watch it again and youll see what i mean he sorta has a lispse too
Got a problem with either, even if they are true or not?
He has a very steady, professional delivery that remains constant throughout the demo.
Your credibility here just took a hit that will take you awhile to recover from. I suggest posting only bone simple conventional wisdom for a while to buy time while it heals.
My credibility? It's a forum. You obviously take forums way to seriously. That's the info I found. If it's wrong post a piece of evidence to the contrary that is more than just heresy so I can learn from it. You haven't even posted something to show that the iPhone was designed before the Prada phone which I personally would like to see. And even then just because you patented something before me it doesn't mean you thought of it before me. I can think of a design for a UFO and if you think of it second you could still beat me to the patent. I don't mind being wrong so why act like it's a sin to be wrong on a forum?
Finishing up with a non-sequitur is a time honored Apple Insider tradition, however, so points for that.
Dude. Again, this isn't a pissin contest nor do I need your "points". Go get a girlfriend or a hobby or something. I guess that's reflected in the fact that you have over 5k posts and I have only 18 even though I've visited (not joined), this forum since it opened.
...even if some folks didn't think "Oh, cool, OS X" they are still reacting to a UI that is enabled by exactly that, so it's a distinction without a difference.
They aren't reacting to it over here cause they don't have it. And by the time they get it others will have already been here with similar UI's. If the iPhone were released here right now the only sales it would make would be to the foreigners. Got OS X but No free 1SEG TV plus recording capability or GPS? See ya.
My credibility? It's a forum. You obviously take forums way to seriously. That's the info I found. If it's wrong post a piece of evidence to the contrary that is more than just heresy so I can learn from it. You haven't even posted something to show that the iPhone was designed before the Prada phone which I personally would like to see.
They aren't reacting to it over here cause they don't have it. And by the time they get it others will have already been here with similar UI's. If the iPhone were released here right now the only sales it would make would be to the foreigners. Got OS X but No free 1SEG TV plus recording capability or GPS? See ya.
1) Mobile phones have a development cycle measured in years, and that includes design (plus giant touch screen phone is an obvious idea, that everyone ignored because corporations are inherently conservative). It is, quite frankly, impossible to steal someone's design in three months unless you're from China and you photoshop it
2) Oh sure, I agree, the current iPhone would tank in Japan. We discussed this already, and continue to discuss it in Apple Japan: Looking Forward. The gist being iPhone's UI beats everything, but it lacks virtually all of Japan's software/hardware baseline features.
For people who do not have Quicktime installed: Checkit out at:http://diveintoosx.org/iphone/2007/a...a-guided-tour/
Have Apple patented the docking station for the iPhone thus if you buy the iPhone you will need to purchase the docking station from them, or will it be possible to buy from third parties? (same as ipods)
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Have Apple patented the docking station for the iPhone thus if you buy the iPhone you will need to purchase the docking station from them, or will it be possible to buy from third parties? (same as ipods)
Apple says it uses the same dock connecter as iPods, so other docks should work.
Stupid questions perhaps. But can the iPhone remotely browse and purchase iTunes content?
Nope (it would suck on EDGE at least, anyway). But it's a software update away?