So ? if the group that paid $499 or $599 is really upset ? why not act together to show apple our frustration. Assuming we had the discipline ? we could not purchase any new apple products for 12 ? 18 months. Presumably, the 300,000 or so of us that acquired iPhones and aren?t within the window to obtain a refund are mostly early adopters ? I?m the owner of a variety of mac products including a g5 iMac, intel core duo imac, core2duo 17? macbook pro, many airport expresses, several airport extremes, a mac mini, each generation of ipod (including a nano and a shuffle), several apple TV?s and, of course, an iphone. If we exercise our power as a group ? we might get more respect from Apple. Think about it this way ? there must be a lawyer among us ? shouldn?t there be a legal argument under a construct of bad faith that apple and ATT violated their commitments and promises to us by not introducing promised upgrades (based on public statements by Apple and ATT to be distributed shortly after the introduction of the iPhone) ? hence, allowing us to void our contracts with ATT with no further obligation for a contract breakage fee? Apple has demonstrated by it?s price decrease today that the period to meet commitments is something less than 3 months ? it hasn?t provided any meaningful upgrades that don?t require a separate purchase (new iLife). Probably a smart lawyer among us could develop a legal basis for canceling our contracts with ATT even without Apple and ATT?s failure to meet their promises of service and device upgrades, given we paid in full for our devices and received no other meaningful consideration from ATT in exchange for entering into our contracts. If 300,000 (or even 170,000 of us) cancel our ATT contracts and acquire the hack to use the devices on other networks ? we would demonstrate the organized power of the consumer and gain some attention given the lost revenue to ATT and Apple would be a multiple of the contract commitments that they failed to meet their commitments on. Of course, our nature as early adopters, suggests the discipline to punish Apple for a year or more is difficult ? but as a group we have substantial purchasing power ? simply aggregate our ATT contract commitments for two years times some number between 170k and 300k. My own view (which is that of a layman, but close follower of Apple?s product developments) is that Apple has over diversified it?s line up of ipods ? I doubt the hard disk ipod will garner much in new sales ? the iTouch may sell ? but not if they introduce a 3G iPhone in the next 60 days (which is of course what all of us would not be able to resist). My own experience is that I use the extended features of the iPhone when I?m within distance of a wifi connection but don?t use them on the GSM network because it?s painfully slow ? I?ll be much more upfront about this with other potential consumers given Apple?s act of bad faith today
It's not a good idea to cross post like that. This post belonged in the other thread, but not here.
Breaking a long post into paragraph is a good idea.
Having something to say that holds water would also be nice.
I get being pissed. But threatening legal action because a technology product has a price reduction, now that's just silly. (I know there was a lot of other blathering in there about promising this and that, but it's all pretty much hogwash).
Having something to say that holds water would also be nice.
I get being pissed. But threatening legal action because a technology product has a price reduction, now that's just silly. (I know there was a lot of other blathering in there about promising this and that, but it's all pretty much hogwash).
I'll keep my posts on iphone pricing to the other thread - but I do believe consumers have ultimate power. For this thread - I believe that Apple has hopelessly confused their product line up which is so non-SJ - that sort of reckless hubris doesn't suggest good news to me (note I'm only refering to myself) in terms of Apple's near term stock performance - particularly in light of the crunch the credit markets will extract on non-business consumers.
Having something to say that holds water would also be nice.
I get being pissed. But threatening legal action because a technology product has a price reduction, now that's just silly. (I know there was a lot of other blathering in there about promising this and that, but it's all pretty much hogwash).
There was no threat of legal action - just some thought about causes of action - I'm very doubtful that they're hogwash - but I understand this is the wrong thread for these opinions... : )
I'm a bit disappointed myself by the new nano but only because of the storage, I was expecting to see at least a 16gb model \ On the looks department it's better than I thought after seeing the first leaked images
I was really looking forward to the new ipod touch but now im not going to buy it because the biggest only has 16GB. I think that if apple makes a bigger one, not only me but many other people would buy it.
I agree.. A top model with 32 GB would have caught me, even though it still has got no e-mail or notes apps. But then there would be no room for upgrading it next spring. However, when Apple (I suppose sometime before xmas) shows us how we can buy stuff to fill up all the black void on the middle of the iPod touch and iPhone, that's when many 16GB hesitants won't be able to hold back anymore.
Damn all the models are nice, this is the perfect ipod combo imo.
I completely agree.
My order has been placed with Apple for one nano and one Touch. For the nano I wanted black so no choice on size. For the touch, I decided bigger is better for the long term (I feel they will add functionality to it).
Well, while I (like many others) would have liked a higher capacity iTouch, I am very pleased with the announcements and the available choices. Although I see can't get used to the new look of the nano.
I pulled the trigger on a 16gb iTouch yesterday after the announcement and have an shipping arrival date of October 3rd. Can't wait! The way I see it, I can always give it to wifey once they release a 3g (and maybe higher capacity iPhone) here in Sweden but since that is going to be a long time coming, the iTouch is a good fill-in until then.
Sure, 16gb won't cover my entire 500gb of music or my 2Tb of movies but I can be very selective as to what goes onto the iTouch so the lower capacity is fine (even though actual capacity will be lower than 16gb when formatted and minus OSX etc...).
I also appreciate that it looks like the iTouch does not have the recessed earphone port like on the iPhone.
I agree.. A top model with 32 GB would have caught me, even though it still has got no e-mail or notes apps. But then there would be no room for upgrading it next spring. However, when Apple (I suppose sometime before xmas) shows us how we can buy stuff to fill up all the black void on the middle of the iPod touch and iPhone, that's when many 16GB hesitants won't be able to hold back anymore.
My only concern is that I like to have my iTunes set to sync all music, which is about 45 gigs in my case. Our two iPod 60 Gigs obviously suck it all in and this set up is a no brainer. Now if I buy a new Touch I will have to switch that off and go to a manual system or make loads of Playlists I assume. I am trying to think of a slick work around but I can't see one ... or is there already a solution in iTunes I am unaware of?
This went under my radar yesterday! Good news ...
"Apple has also added component video output to the iPods announced today via a component video cable. Apple states that component video output is currently supported with the iPod Nano (3G) and iPod classic (6G) at 480p or 576p, and the iPod Touch at 480i or 576i resolution." from: Mac Rumors web site.
I don't know about the rest of you, but my first reaction to the Apple event yesterday was: Wow! Does anyone remember a previous event with this many releases? The entire lineup refreshed (granted, the Shuffle was just new colors), new enclosures for nano and classic, brand new interfaces for nano and classic, insanely large capacities on classic, and insanely long battery time. Then a completely brand new product in the lineup. A new music store/shopping paradigm, and, just as the icing on the cake, ringtones. All in a space of an hour and a quarter.
It's amazing that in spite of expectations being insanely high (I kept sighing every time I saw an article predicting 3 or 4 new things coming out), Apple actually delivered, and there's not even any of the "Damn it, Apple where is <insert product here>" going on.
The amount of technological innovation going on at Apple these days is nothing short of mind-boggling! I don't think there's anything comparable anywhere else. I just hope they can keep it up.
On to the important stuff: looks like I'll be eBaying my 30GB 5th gen and buying an 80GB with the money. Fortunate, as I just went over 30GB and started having to selectively fill my iPod a few weeks back.
My only concern is that I like to have my iTunes set to sync all music, which is about 45 gigs in my case. Our two iPod 60 Gigs obviously suck it all in and this set up is a no brainer. Now if I buy a new Touch I will have to switch that off and go to a manual system or make loads of Playlists I assume. I am trying to think of a slick work around but I can't see one ... or is there already a solution in iTunes I am unaware of?
This went under my radar yesterday! Good news ...
"Apple has also added component video output to the iPods announced today via a component video cable. Apple states that component video output is currently supported with the iPod Nano (3G) and iPod classic (6G) at 480p or 576p, and the iPod Touch at 480i or 576i resolution." from: Mac Rumors web site.
You can just make one playlist for the touch and treat it as a sub-library. Let the playlist auto-sync with it and drag things in and out from the main library as you please. That way your other iPods will stay on automatic sync with the whole library. Works quite nicely. You can also do all kinds of crazy things with Smart Playlists to automatically fill up the Touch with things you haven't listened to in a while, etc.
My only concern is that I like to have my iTunes set to sync all music, which is about 45 gigs in my case. Our two iPod 60 Gigs obviously suck it all in and this set up is a no brainer. Now if I buy a new Touch I will have to switch that off and go to a manual system or make loads of Playlists I assume. I am trying to think of a slick work around but I can't see one ... or is there already a solution in iTunes I am unaware of?
You may want to try using multiple libraries in iTunes (one for each iPod), provided that you have a computer with enough hard disk space.
Edit: Maybe a playlist working as sub-library works equally well (as suggested by meelash). Haven't tried that one.
You can just make one playlist for the touch and treat it as a sub-library. Let the playlist auto-sync with it and drag things in and out from the main library as you please. That way your other iPods will stay on automatic sync with the whole library. Works quite nicely. You can also do all kinds of crazy things with Smart Playlists to automatically fill up the Touch with things you haven't listened to in a while, etc.
Thanks for info .. So ... (he asks excitedly) are you saying each iPod 'remembers' it's settings such as 'sync all' or only 'sync selected playlists'? If so that is the bit of info I was missing between my ears lol I had assumed the settings were iTunes' based and applied to all iPods attached!
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I love the size and simplicity of it and I bet it will feel quite nice in the hand.
I imagine that hi-res display is going to be mighty sweet in person.
These will make really sweet gifts.
So ? if the group that paid $499 or $599 is really upset ? why not act together to show apple our frustration. (ship)
It's not a good idea to cross post like that. This post belonged in the other thread, but not here.
Breaking a long post into paragraph is a good idea.
It's not a good idea to cross post like that. This post belonged in the other thread, but not here.
Breaking a long post into paragraph is a good idea.
Having something to say that holds water would also be nice.
I get being pissed. But threatening legal action because a technology product has a price reduction, now that's just silly. (I know there was a lot of other blathering in there about promising this and that, but it's all pretty much hogwash).
Having something to say that holds water would also be nice.
I get being pissed. But threatening legal action because a technology product has a price reduction, now that's just silly. (I know there was a lot of other blathering in there about promising this and that, but it's all pretty much hogwash).
I'll keep my posts on iphone pricing to the other thread - but I do believe consumers have ultimate power. For this thread - I believe that Apple has hopelessly confused their product line up which is so non-SJ - that sort of reckless hubris doesn't suggest good news to me (note I'm only refering to myself) in terms of Apple's near term stock performance - particularly in light of the crunch the credit markets will extract on non-business consumers.
Having something to say that holds water would also be nice.
I get being pissed. But threatening legal action because a technology product has a price reduction, now that's just silly. (I know there was a lot of other blathering in there about promising this and that, but it's all pretty much hogwash).
There was no threat of legal action - just some thought about causes of action - I'm very doubtful that they're hogwash - but I understand this is the wrong thread for these opinions... : )
I was really looking forward to the new ipod touch but now im not going to buy it because the biggest only has 16GB. I think that if apple makes a bigger one, not only me but many other people would buy it.
I agree.. A top model with 32 GB would have caught me, even though it still has got no e-mail or notes apps. But then there would be no room for upgrading it next spring. However, when Apple (I suppose sometime before xmas) shows us how we can buy stuff to fill up all the black void on the middle of the iPod touch and iPhone, that's when many 16GB hesitants won't be able to hold back anymore.
Damn all the models are nice, this is the perfect ipod combo imo.
I completely agree.
My order has been placed with Apple for one nano and one Touch. For the nano I wanted black so no choice on size. For the touch, I decided bigger is better for the long term (I feel they will add functionality to it).
The iMac will have to wait until spring...
I pulled the trigger on a 16gb iTouch yesterday after the announcement and have an shipping arrival date of October 3rd. Can't wait! The way I see it, I can always give it to wifey once they release a 3g (and maybe higher capacity iPhone) here in Sweden but since that is going to be a long time coming, the iTouch is a good fill-in until then.
Sure, 16gb won't cover my entire 500gb of music or my 2Tb of movies but I can be very selective as to what goes onto the iTouch so the lower capacity is fine (even though actual capacity will be lower than 16gb when formatted and minus OSX etc...).
I also appreciate that it looks like the iTouch does not have the recessed earphone port like on the iPhone.
WHY WHY WHY on Earth did they go with shiny aluminum on the back of the new Touch?
s/Touch/<any ipod>/w
:-)
The iphone with the very slowwww edge network and that AT+T contract was NEVER an option for me. Now there is a great alternative!
Even the phat boy slim nano looks cool because it is SO THIN.
It's off to the Apple store for us this weekend. Nano for the kids, Itouch for me
My wife just got a video ipod a few weeks ago. She's not as thrilled about the news
I agree.. A top model with 32 GB would have caught me, even though it still has got no e-mail or notes apps. But then there would be no room for upgrading it next spring. However, when Apple (I suppose sometime before xmas) shows us how we can buy stuff to fill up all the black void on the middle of the iPod touch and iPhone, that's when many 16GB hesitants won't be able to hold back anymore.
My only concern is that I like to have my iTunes set to sync all music, which is about 45 gigs in my case. Our two iPod 60 Gigs obviously suck it all in and this set up is a no brainer. Now if I buy a new Touch I will have to switch that off and go to a manual system or make loads of Playlists I assume. I am trying to think of a slick work around but I can't see one ... or is there already a solution in iTunes I am unaware of?
This went under my radar yesterday! Good news ...
"Apple has also added component video output to the iPods announced today via a component video cable. Apple states that component video output is currently supported with the iPod Nano (3G) and iPod classic (6G) at 480p or 576p, and the iPod Touch at 480i or 576i resolution." from: Mac Rumors web site.
It's amazing that in spite of expectations being insanely high (I kept sighing every time I saw an article predicting 3 or 4 new things coming out), Apple actually delivered, and there's not even any of the "Damn it, Apple where is <insert product here>" going on.
The amount of technological innovation going on at Apple these days is nothing short of mind-boggling! I don't think there's anything comparable anywhere else. I just hope they can keep it up.
On to the important stuff: looks like I'll be eBaying my 30GB 5th gen and buying an 80GB with the money. Fortunate, as I just went over 30GB and started having to selectively fill my iPod a few weeks back.
My only concern is that I like to have my iTunes set to sync all music, which is about 45 gigs in my case. Our two iPod 60 Gigs obviously suck it all in and this set up is a no brainer. Now if I buy a new Touch I will have to switch that off and go to a manual system or make loads of Playlists I assume. I am trying to think of a slick work around but I can't see one ... or is there already a solution in iTunes I am unaware of?
This went under my radar yesterday! Good news ...
"Apple has also added component video output to the iPods announced today via a component video cable. Apple states that component video output is currently supported with the iPod Nano (3G) and iPod classic (6G) at 480p or 576p, and the iPod Touch at 480i or 576i resolution." from: Mac Rumors web site.
You can just make one playlist for the touch and treat it as a sub-library. Let the playlist auto-sync with it and drag things in and out from the main library as you please. That way your other iPods will stay on automatic sync with the whole library. Works quite nicely. You can also do all kinds of crazy things with Smart Playlists to automatically fill up the Touch with things you haven't listened to in a while, etc.
My only concern is that I like to have my iTunes set to sync all music, which is about 45 gigs in my case. Our two iPod 60 Gigs obviously suck it all in and this set up is a no brainer. Now if I buy a new Touch I will have to switch that off and go to a manual system or make loads of Playlists I assume. I am trying to think of a slick work around but I can't see one ... or is there already a solution in iTunes I am unaware of?
You may want to try using multiple libraries in iTunes (one for each iPod), provided that you have a computer with enough hard disk space.
Edit: Maybe a playlist working as sub-library works equally well (as suggested by meelash). Haven't tried that one.
/Galex
You can just make one playlist for the touch and treat it as a sub-library. Let the playlist auto-sync with it and drag things in and out from the main library as you please. That way your other iPods will stay on automatic sync with the whole library. Works quite nicely. You can also do all kinds of crazy things with Smart Playlists to automatically fill up the Touch with things you haven't listened to in a while, etc.
Thanks for info .. So ... (he asks excitedly) are you saying each iPod 'remembers' it's settings such as 'sync all' or only 'sync selected playlists'? If so that is the bit of info I was missing between my ears lol
You may want to try using multiple libraries in iTunes (one for each iPod), provided that you have a computer with enough hard disk space.
Edit: Maybe a playlist working as sub-library works equally well (as suggested by meelash). Haven't tried that one.
/Galex
Thanks. I think the second idea sounds best. However making that 16 GIG playlist is going to be a labor of love in time and effort! lol