Drat! (And actually, that's what I figured...my "no" was in reference to my 2nd question.) Thanks for the info.
Well, there is nothing stopping you from 'slipstreaming' SP2 onto an XP or XP SP1 CD. This is not officially supported by Apple, but I have heard many reports that this works fine.
YMMV...
FYI - Paul Thurrott's SuperSite has a good tutorial of how to do this (assuming you know your way around a Windows machine).
Well, there is nothing stopping you from 'slipstreaming' SP2 onto an XP or XP SP1 CD. This is not officially supported by Apple, but I have heard many reports that this works fine.
YMMV...
FYI - Paul Thurrott's SuperSite has a good tutorial of how to do this (assuming you know your way around a Windows machine).
Sweet! Thanks for the tip. I'm thinking about getting an Intel mini when 10.5 is out (replace a G4 mini), but shelling out $300 to install Windows on a $600 computer just seemed kind of silly.
What I don't get with Apple and MacMall is both say order for delivery on Oct 26th but do you have to choose the most expensive overnight shipping to actually receive it on Oct 26th? Amazon says this product ships on Oct. 26th.
I'm doing the free shipping. From what I remember, Tiger was delivered on the release date by Amazon. If I get it a few days later, no big deal.
Ok. What I really meant by that was the version of the machine. With the change to Intel, older PPC machine age faster in terms of performance, so less time will have passed before the machine becomes to weak to perform well.
The big problem now is the Core functions being executed on the GPU.
The older GPU's available for the G$'s were much weaker in programmable performance than more recent boards. That will throw much work back onto the CPU, causing major slowdowns. Even weaker GPU's today are much better than the 9800 Pro board in my old Digital Audio model, even though that was a pretty high end board for the Mac back in the day.
Sweet! Thanks for the tip. I'm thinking about getting an Intel mini when 10.5 is out (replace a G4 mini), but shelling out $300 to install Windows on a $600 computer just seemed kind of silly.
Slipstreaming worked fine on my MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo. Of course, you need a Windows computer to do the slipstream, but it only took an hour or so and like I said, it worked perfectly.
I bought a Macbook Pro three and a half weeks ago, so I phoned the UK Applestore to ask for a discount and they offered me Leopard for £50 off the list price, which I thought was pretty fair.
Ok. What I really meant by that was the version of the machine. With the change to Intel, older PPC machine age faster in terms of performance, so less time will have passed before the machine becomes to weak to perform well.
The big problem now is the Core functions being executed on the GPU.
The older GPU's available for the G$'s were much weaker in programmable performance than more recent boards. That will throw much work back onto the CPU, causing major slowdowns. Even weaker GPU's today are much better than the 9800 Pro board in my old Digital Audio model, even though that was a pretty high end board for the Mac back in the day.
Yeah. I'm still gonna go with five years.
Regardless of the technical reasons (or excuses, depending on PoV), ppl still don't want their machines cut out of the upgrade cycle too quickly. That's one of the knocks on Vista, after all.
We really CAN'T have it both ways... it can't be "Well, that's because Macs have a longer useful lifespan!" in response to complaints about how Macs are more expensive than PCs, while at the same time shouting "Upgrade your damn Jurassic era Mac!" when someone complains that the machine they bought new only three years ago is cut out of the Leopard loop. \
Does the 9 gigs required for installation come BACK after the installation is finished? How much more space goes poof when the new OS is installed? I can't really believe that the system is 9 gigs - BIGGER - than the one that's already installed - but then I don't know how much you really define size with any of these installs ANYWAY considering you've got libraries, the system, and the apps it comes with...
Does the 9 gigs required for installation come BACK after the installation is finished? How much more space goes poof when the new OS is installed? I can't really believe that the system is 9 gigs - BIGGER - than the one that's already installed - but then I don't know how much you really define size with any of these installs ANYWAY considering you've got libraries, the system, and the apps it comes with...
Most of it comes back. It's needed for swap files during the install.
Regardless of the technical reasons (or excuses, depending on PoV), ppl still don't want their machines cut out of the upgrade cycle too quickly. That's one of the knocks on Vista, after all.
We really CAN'T have it both ways... it can't be "Well, that's because Macs have a longer useful lifespan!" in response to complaints about how Macs are more expensive than PCs, while at the same time shouting "Upgrade your damn Jurassic era Mac!" when someone complains that the machine they bought new only three years ago is cut out of the Leopard loop. \
Three years is a reasonable and healthy life span if you're a creative pro.
If you want to hang on your computer for 5+ years, then you probably won't be bothered by not having the latest and the greatest.
I just bought an iMac yesterday at a certified reseller in Belgium. I'm also wondering what the up-to-date policy is outside of the US and Canada. Would be nice to get an upgrade for something like 10 euros instead of having to buy it for full price.
I just bought an iMac yesterday at a certified reseller in Belgium. I'm also wondering what the up-to-date policy is outside of the US and Canada. Would be nice to get an upgrade for something like 10 euros instead of having to buy it for full price.
To "Tygernoot" and the other guys wondering about international eligibility for 10.5 upgrades, I was wondering the same thing.
I bought an iMac on oct. 02. in Denmark, and could not find an Apple "up-to-date" page at the .dk site.
On a whim and being optimistic I tried the following:
Strange... Amazon UK don't appear to list Leopard at all... I'm sure they used to but searching for Leopard now just brings up a whole list of books - if anyone could point me at the item itself I'd be most grateful, seems we're not going to get any discount here
Just as an aside, does the family license cover multiple locations or is it all machines in one house?
I'm going to guess the answer is "no", but for those of you familiar with Boot Camp's XP SP2 requirement...does it have to be an SP2 install disc? Or can I install the earlier version XP from the disc I have and then install the SP2 update?
This won't have changd from Boot Camp beta. You need an XP SP2 install CD.
An original XP or XP SP1 will not work, but there is a procedure called "slipstreaming" which can be used to burn a SP2 install CD from an earlier one. I don't know the details, and I expect it would have to be done on a PC with the right software. Try doing a Google search for "XP slipstream".
I recently became an ADC Select member. Does anyone know when members receive the shipping version of Leopard? Is it included with the normal monthly mailings?
I was a Select member back in the Jaguar era. The new system release CD turned up with the monthly mailings. They might have occasionally done a special mailing to get a major release to ADC members earlier.
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Drat!
Well, there is nothing stopping you from 'slipstreaming' SP2 onto an XP or XP SP1 CD. This is not officially supported by Apple, but I have heard many reports that this works fine.
YMMV...
FYI - Paul Thurrott's SuperSite has a good tutorial of how to do this (assuming you know your way around a Windows machine).
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...slipstream.asp
http://bookstore.ucsd.edu/computers/software/apple.htm
Well, there is nothing stopping you from 'slipstreaming' SP2 onto an XP or XP SP1 CD. This is not officially supported by Apple, but I have heard many reports that this works fine.
YMMV...
FYI - Paul Thurrott's SuperSite has a good tutorial of how to do this (assuming you know your way around a Windows machine).
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...slipstream.asp
Sweet! Thanks for the tip. I'm thinking about getting an Intel mini when 10.5 is out (replace a G4 mini), but shelling out $300 to install Windows on a $600 computer just seemed kind of silly.
What I don't get with Apple and MacMall is both say order for delivery on Oct 26th but do you have to choose the most expensive overnight shipping to actually receive it on Oct 26th? Amazon says this product ships on Oct. 26th.
I'm doing the free shipping. From what I remember, Tiger was delivered on the release date by Amazon. If I get it a few days later, no big deal.
Up to five years old is fair, IMO.
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Ok. What I really meant by that was the version of the machine. With the change to Intel, older PPC machine age faster in terms of performance, so less time will have passed before the machine becomes to weak to perform well.
The big problem now is the Core functions being executed on the GPU.
The older GPU's available for the G$'s were much weaker in programmable performance than more recent boards. That will throw much work back onto the CPU, causing major slowdowns. Even weaker GPU's today are much better than the 9800 Pro board in my old Digital Audio model, even though that was a pretty high end board for the Mac back in the day.
Sweet! Thanks for the tip. I'm thinking about getting an Intel mini when 10.5 is out (replace a G4 mini), but shelling out $300 to install Windows on a $600 computer just seemed kind of silly.
Slipstreaming worked fine on my MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo. Of course, you need a Windows computer to do the slipstream, but it only took an hour or so and like I said, it worked perfectly.
Ok. What I really meant by that was the version of the machine. With the change to Intel, older PPC machine age faster in terms of performance, so less time will have passed before the machine becomes to weak to perform well.
The big problem now is the Core functions being executed on the GPU.
The older GPU's available for the G$'s were much weaker in programmable performance than more recent boards. That will throw much work back onto the CPU, causing major slowdowns. Even weaker GPU's today are much better than the 9800 Pro board in my old Digital Audio model, even though that was a pretty high end board for the Mac back in the day.
Yeah. I'm still gonna go with five years.
Regardless of the technical reasons (or excuses, depending on PoV), ppl still don't want their machines cut out of the upgrade cycle too quickly. That's one of the knocks on Vista, after all.
We really CAN'T have it both ways... it can't be "Well, that's because Macs have a longer useful lifespan!" in response to complaints about how Macs are more expensive than PCs, while at the same time shouting "Upgrade your damn Jurassic era Mac!" when someone complains that the machine they bought new only three years ago is cut out of the Leopard loop.
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Does the 9 gigs required for installation come BACK after the installation is finished? How much more space goes poof when the new OS is installed? I can't really believe that the system is 9 gigs - BIGGER - than the one that's already installed - but then I don't know how much you really define size with any of these installs ANYWAY considering you've got libraries, the system, and the apps it comes with...
Re: the specs:
Does the 9 gigs required for installation come BACK after the installation is finished? How much more space goes poof when the new OS is installed? I can't really believe that the system is 9 gigs - BIGGER - than the one that's already installed - but then I don't know how much you really define size with any of these installs ANYWAY considering you've got libraries, the system, and the apps it comes with...
Most of it comes back. It's needed for swap files during the install.
Yeah. I'm still gonna go with five years.
Regardless of the technical reasons (or excuses, depending on PoV), ppl still don't want their machines cut out of the upgrade cycle too quickly. That's one of the knocks on Vista, after all.
We really CAN'T have it both ways... it can't be "Well, that's because Macs have a longer useful lifespan!" in response to complaints about how Macs are more expensive than PCs, while at the same time shouting "Upgrade your damn Jurassic era Mac!" when someone complains that the machine they bought new only three years ago is cut out of the Leopard loop.
Three years is a reasonable and healthy life span if you're a creative pro.
If you want to hang on your computer for 5+ years, then you probably won't be bothered by not having the latest and the greatest.
I've bought my iMac a few weeks ago through the Dutch Apple Store online, will I qualify for the discount ?
Just change the URL http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/ to the site in your country.
For the Netherlands it will be: http://www.apple.com/nl/macosx/uptodate/
I just bought an iMac yesterday at a certified reseller in Belgium. I'm also wondering what the up-to-date policy is outside of the US and Canada. Would be nice to get an upgrade for something like 10 euros instead of having to buy it for full price.
To "Tygernoot" and the other guys wondering about international eligibility for 10.5 upgrades, I was wondering the same thing.
I bought an iMac on oct. 02. in Denmark, and could not find an Apple "up-to-date" page at the .dk site.
On a whim and being optimistic I tried the following:
at the "original" up-to-date page
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/
I just inserted "dk/" into the url to get, - success
http://www.apple.com/dk/macosx/uptodate/
So, - you might like this url
http://www.apple.com/benl/macosx/uptodate/
-or this, if you are so inclined,
http://www.apple.com/befr/macosx/uptodate/
I've contacted the Dutch Apple Store Support and they confirmed that this offer is also available for European customers.
Just change the URL http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/ to the site in your country.
For the Netherlands it will be: http://www.apple.com/nl/macosx/uptodate/
@ rlvdijk:
Ooops, I got cought up on the phone, didn't see your reply to this thread.
Well well, now we know for sure international customers are welcome,
not always the case with Apple, or?
Just as an aside, does the family license cover multiple locations or is it all machines in one house?
I'm going to guess the answer is "no", but for those of you familiar with Boot Camp's XP SP2 requirement...does it have to be an SP2 install disc? Or can I install the earlier version XP from the disc I have and then install the SP2 update?
This won't have changd from Boot Camp beta. You need an XP SP2 install CD.
An original XP or XP SP1 will not work, but there is a procedure called "slipstreaming" which can be used to burn a SP2 install CD from an earlier one. I don't know the details, and I expect it would have to be done on a PC with the right software. Try doing a Google search for "XP slipstream".
I recently became an ADC Select member. Does anyone know when members receive the shipping version of Leopard? Is it included with the normal monthly mailings?
I was a Select member back in the Jaguar era. The new system release CD turned up with the monthly mailings. They might have occasionally done a special mailing to get a major release to ADC members earlier.